Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2019 16:07:22 -0400 From: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> To: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Best hardware for a replacement desktop? Message-ID: <CAGBxaX=6posnuYMPijZnoCQcep9DwJAbehksdVDFxSB4NW32BQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXnKpD8ok%2B9YPr_s1fYrEnj%2BWP20_5dAFp17Bz2KdReKEg@mail.gmail.com> References: <CAGBxaX=ch_=NKBAme9wTQjSVsJ4Oxschs3Qg7Kddh7KouW3DJw@mail.gmail.com> <5ceb24c1-66ce-2603-5eed-78283d9676b7@holgerdanske.com> <CAGBxaXmiAy2xAKT1oyat4J_Q-gOFTzEEiQQso3oTS9EqoY3ayQ@mail.gmail.com> <23861.63968.885139.970960@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <1618173539.5511975.1563822072600@mail.yahoo.com> <CAGBxaXnKpD8ok%2B9YPr_s1fYrEnj%2BWP20_5dAFp17Bz2KdReKEg@mail.gmail.com>
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Forgot to give my use case for the machine (top posting since it is not completely in line with any of the other comments in the message: 1. I am mostly a freelance webapp developer (tomcat9/jdk8 plus some libraries I have written then will when more mature released to the ports collection) 2. I play some html5 based games (not graphic intensive but slightly bandwidth hungry) 3. I have developed a micro-IaaS based around bhyve (see interview in Jan. 2017 BSD mag for details) [the main reason why the machine I am replacing as my desktop is my desktop is even after working with the bhyve team found it was impossible to enable virtualization even when the BIOS said it was enabled] 4. I use it as a replacement for my TV/cable (download/stream shows) 5. General small business/office use On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:26 PM Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 3:01 PM Paul Pathiakis <pathiaki2@yahoo.com> > wrote: > >> >> On Monday, July 22, 2019, 2:01:25 PM EDT, Robert Huff <roberthuff@rcn.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Aryeh Friedman writes: >> >> > > You need an uninterruptible power supply (UPS): >> > > >> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uninterruptible_power_supply >> > >> > Already on my shopping list but half the problem is the machine is >> > a name HP and looking at the specs I have likely put more demand on >> > the power supply then I can supply if there any drop in voltage. >> >> I'd be interested to hear how you do this ... but assuming it's >> true your solution has two parts: >> >> 1) the UPS to deal with the "power hiccups". Before you buy, >> check ports/sysutils to see what models are covered by available >> software. >> 2) a more vigorous internal power supply. I have no idea if it's >> even possible to upgrade HP products short of having HP do it (and >> maybe not even then). >> >> >> Respectfully, >> >> >> Robert Huff >> >> >> >> ## Adding to this.... >> >> If this is more than just a low end server, you may want to buy a UPS >> with a pure sine wave vs a simulated sine wave. They are a little more >> expensive, but tend to be better in controlling spikes/dirty power. >> >> As for a new desktop, if you're reasonably inclined, build your own. At >> this point in time, steer clear of Intel and look at AMD's products. Their >> new Ryzen 3000 series kicks butt and is about 50-75% of the cost. Go with >> an X570 motherboard (it has PCIe 4.0) and an AM4 socket. The compatibility >> with the AM4 socket looks to be good for about 3-4 years vs intel's "new >> cpu new socket -> new motherboard" mentality. Depending on your graphics >> needs either a separate card that can be upgraded or go with the new AMD >> Ryzen/Navi APUs with the graphics in the chip... (low end but good for word >> processing, etc NOT gaming - separate card if you game). With the new AM4 >> socket the APUs are an inexpensive alternative to buying separate graphics >> and CPU and when you go beyond the abilities on either just buy the latest >> APU. >> >> Typically, the new Ryzen chips also consume about 1/3 less power too. >> >> So, for about $500 you can buy a SERIOUS powered machine with an upgrade >> path versus being locked into a canned vendor like Dell or HP. >> > > Here is what I have in mind so far (note I *REFUSE* to buy mail > order/online so this is what is in my local MicroCenter): > > CPU (Ryzen 3600 $200.00 65 watts w/ fan): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966995+4294819840+4294810797+4294819827+4294818783+4294815097&myStore=true > > Motherboard (x570 AMD 4 ATX $170): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966996+4294810816+4294818900+4294818892+4294810798+4294817766+4294818045+4294818894+4294810687+4294815404+4294818877+4294815402+39&myStore=true > > Power supply (850 watt $130 ATX): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966654+4294818900+795+4294817377+780+4294817027&myStore=true > > Case (minitower ATX $75): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294964318+4294821211+4294821002+4294811319+749+4294821195+4294821206+4294821207&myStore=true > > RAM (16 GB DDR4-3200 $70): > https://www.microcenter.com/search/search_results.aspx?Ntk=all&sortby=match&N=4294966965+4294817445+4294820310+37&myStore=true > > Reuse keyboard/mouse/video card/monitor > > Total: $645 > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org
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