From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 21 06:20:52 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: questions@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B30106567F for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:20:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [72.9.101.130]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA89C8FC0C for ; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:20:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m5L6KhuB001531 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:20:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=simple/simple; d=prime.gushi.org; s=primegushiorg; t=1214012427; bh=1IG31orsKZggVyZdd6LXakb4hFw=; h=DomainKey-Signature:Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:References:User-Agent:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=xZa9 GiCFeiomYXYTUjdeZOzKXSmCZwedoOdECG23UFMwoaxUnS2UBVNfvwhmh41didE/vyk EoaUsBMGZBpdQkg== DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=primegushiorg; d=prime.gushi.org; c=nofws; q=dns; h=received:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id: references:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; b=kOJ3VamB3xCb6QhrFQQafZL+jidqZ26E/TJyZkV2xGwusU/I8ZF8r3BFG1J5Q4PSH f2QfDzlBGXVQOeV9hjoUg== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.14.1/8.13.8/Submit) id m5L6KhRC001530; Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:20:43 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from danm) Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 02:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Dan Mahoney, System Admin" To: Kris Kennaway In-Reply-To: <485C3C06.3050702@FreeBSD.org> Message-ID: References: <485C3C06.3050702@FreeBSD.org> User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (BSF 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-3.0 (prime.gushi.org [127.0.0.1]); Sat, 21 Jun 2008 01:40:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Circumstance leading up to removal of perl from base? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 06:20:52 -0000 On Sat, 21 Jun 2008, Kris Kennaway wrote: > Dan Mahoney, System Admin wrote: >> Hello all, >> >> I know it was a long time ago, but I was talking with a co-worker about why >> perl was removed from the base in v5 -- I seem to recall a discussion on >> some mailing list about either the number of arguments or the format of the >> arguments and/or output of a base perl function having changed between >> 5.005 and 5.6.1. >> >> Thing is, that's a very vague thing to try to google for, and I can't seem >> to find it. Are there any old-timers who remember the system call in >> question? > > I dont think it was that. AFAICR the issue was mostly that it was a *lot* of > work to mangle the perl build into bmake format so it would build with make > world, and it was also difficult to avoid conflicts with other versions of > perl that needed to be installed for port builds. It was just too difficult > to maintain in the base system, especially when nothing used it. Yeah, most of my recent re-reading is showing that...but there's something so distinct in my mind that I'm recalling, some function that changed its meaning, return values, and/or number of arguements around that time. I realize that may not be the ONLY reason, and I'm seeing a lot of the predominant other....still, this is going to bug me, now. I could of course just be insane. Personally, I miss the adduser written in perl -- there's a feature that was in that version that's not in the current (integration with /var/yp and the ability to automagically run make in that dir). -Dan -- "When I'm lost, and confused, and trying to make a U-turn, nothing annoys me more than someone telling me to watch out for the tombstone!" "How often does that happen, Fab?" -David Feld & Tom Fabry, sometime in High School. --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC ICQ: 13735144 AIM: LarpGM Site: http://www.gushi.org ---------------------------