From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 00:45:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA25823 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 00:45:18 -0700 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org (m-net.arbornet.org [148.59.250.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA25816 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 00:45:11 -0700 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0scT3Q-000xUXC; Sun, 30 Jul 95 03:44 WET DST Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 03:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Turtle Subject: EIDE controllers (fwd) To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 18:27:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Turtle To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: EIDE controllers does freebsd suport the newer EIDE controller cards that suppt 4 IDE hardrives? i apologize, i know i already asked this but i had this old .forward file in my acct pointing to a closed acct. do you mind answering this again? From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 01:25:02 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA27759 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:25:02 -0700 Received: from uek1.uni-lj.si (uek1.uni-lj.si [193.2.64.41]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA27749 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:24:58 -0700 From: tomaz.sustar@uni-lj.si Received: by uni-lj.si (MX V4.1 VAX) id 142; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:24:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:24:42 +0100 To: QUESTIONS@FREEBSD.ORG Message-ID: <009941EF.260F2468.142@uni-lj.si> Subject: [Q:] Problem with network configuration Sender: questions-owner@FREEBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk questions@FreeBSD.ORG [Q:] Problem with network configuration Hi I'm new to FreeBSD. Yesterday I bought a Walnut Creek CDROM vith FreeBSD 2.0 (January 1995). I instaled OS on Intel 386/+387 (25 MHz) with 8MB RAM. During instalation everything was OK. Configuration of XWindows was very simple. But I have soma trubles with configuration of network. I have small (home) simple (no name server , no gateway) network consisting of two intel machines one running NeXTStep for Intel and one running FreeBSD and DOS. I have a NE2000 compatible card which is detected during the booting of FreeBSD as en1. I can't figure out where must I specify which network adapter is actualy connected to network (there is no option for this in netstart file). Where can I specify informations about my network (adapter, netmask, etc..)? Where can I find more informations about network configuration (mailing lists.., document files) ? Any advice or example would be appreciated P.S. Part of /var/log/messages : Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: FreeBSD 2.0-RELEASE #2: Tue Nov 22 13:59:59 1994 Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: root@fnord.cdrom.com:/usr/src/sys/compile/GENERIC Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: CPU: i386DX (386-class CPU) Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: real memory = 7995392 (1952 pages) Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: avail memory = 6717440 (1640 pages) Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: using 120 buffers containing 983040 bytes of memory Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sc0: VGA color <4 virtual consoles> Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: ed0 not found at 0x280 Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: ed1 at 0x300-0x31f irq 5 on isa Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: ed1: address 00:c0:df:48:00:8d, type NE2000 (16 bit) Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sio0: type 16450 Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sio1: type 16450 Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sio2 not found at 0x3e8 Jul 28 20:49:53 mali kernel: sio3 not found at 0x2e8 Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: lpt0: Ingerrupt-driven port Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: lpt1 at 0x278-0x27f on isa Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: lpt2 not found at 0xffffffff Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: fdc0: [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] [1: fd1: 1.2MB 5.25in] Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: wd0: 325MB (666600 total sec), 1010 cyl, 12 head, 55 sec, bytes/sec 512 Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: wdc1 not found at 0x170 Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: bt0 not found at 0x330 Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: uha0 not found at 0x330 Jul 28 20:49:54 mali kernel: ahc0 not found Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: ahb0 not found Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: aha0 not found at 0x330 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: aic0 not found at 0x340 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: pas0 not found at 0x1f88 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: sea0 not found Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: wt0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: mcd0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: mcd1: timeout getting status Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: mcd1 not found at 0x340 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: ie0 not found at 0x360 Jul 28 20:49:55 mali kernel: ep0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 Jul 28 20:49:56 mali kernel: is0 not found at 0x280 Jul 28 20:49:56 mali kernel: le0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 Jul 28 20:49:56 mali kernel: ze0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed1 at 0x300 Jul 28 20:49:56 mali kernel: npx0 on motherboard Jul 28 20:49:58 mali lpd[64]: restarted Jul 28 20:50:07 mali login: ROOT LOGIN (root) ON ttyv0 Jul 28 20:50:07 mali login: login on ttyv0 as root --- Thanks in advance Tomaz --------------------------------------------------------- Tomaz Sustar Student of materials science University of Ljubljana, Slovenija E-mail : tomaz.sustar@uni-lj.si Voice : +386 (0)61 345 565 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 01:25:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA27805 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:25:21 -0700 Received: from elite.net (elite.net [205.199.220.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA27799 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:25:20 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by elite.net (8.6.12/ELITE) id BAA09952 for questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:25:28 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:25:28 -0700 From: Nate Lawson Message-Id: <199507300825.BAA09952@elite.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: stray irq 7? Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I get this message on my 486. Running 2.0.5-R. I compiled the kernel without lpt support but it didn't get rid of this error. Any ideas? -Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 01:32:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA28212 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:32:16 -0700 Received: from kksys.skypoint.net (kksys.skypoint.net [199.86.32.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA28202 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:32:14 -0700 From: john@starfire.mn.org Received: from starfire.mn.org by kksys.skypoint.net with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #2) id m0scSgH-0003eEC; Sun, 30 Jul 95 02:21 CDT Received: (from john@localhost) by starfire.mn.org (8.6.11/1.1) id BAA07971 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:24:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199507300624.BAA07971@starfire.mn.org> Subject: Hylfax/faxgetty help needed To: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 01:24:05 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 825 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Now that I have swapped nearly my whole darned system so that I can run FreeBSD 2.*, I am trying to get Hylafax working (I was using flexfax under FreeBSD 1.1, and never got this feature to quite work there, either). I am having trouble getting the desired behavior for incoming calls (on one line, answer with FAX, if fail, go to data; on the other line, answer with data, if fails, goto FAX) but I'm not getting anywhere useful. I'll save the gruesome details for any correspondents willing to help. BTW, I went looking for the list of who-is-responsible-for-what-port, and didnt' find it. Perhaps it was being abused and for that reason had to be removed, but for my own part, I liked having it around... John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 02:30:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA00403 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 02:30:18 -0700 Received: from oasis (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA00393 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 02:30:13 -0700 Received: from oasis (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by oasis (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA09493 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 04:29:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 04:29:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: "Question@FreeBSD.org" Subject: Promise 2300+ VL Bus Trouble... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, I just posted yesterday about how stable my Promise 2300+ VL had been. Well, It wernt broke, so I decided to fix it by turning on the card BIOS. First: F1 DOS F2 FreeBSD F? And it kept saying F? unitl I turned the box off and rebooted with a new base address for the controller BIOS. Now I got the completely omninous "put boot disk in drive A." After 24hrs of work I can safely say: DO NOT TURN PROMISE 2300+ BIOS ON and expect your HD to live. }:-) Besides that It's great.............(kinda pissed).............Rob ==== Haven't had time to re-install .signature From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 03:27:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA02903 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 03:27:46 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA02894 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 03:27:40 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA06307; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:27:15 +0800 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:27:14 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: tomaz.sustar@uni-lj.si cc: QUESTIONS@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [Q:] Problem with network configuration In-Reply-To: <009941EF.260F2468.142@uni-lj.si> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Sun, 30 Jul 1995 tomaz.sustar@uni-lj.si wrote: > > I'm new to FreeBSD. Yesterday I bought a Walnut Creek CDROM vith FreeBSD 2.0 > (January 1995). Where did you purchase the CD-ROM from? Walnut Creek has been shipping the 2.0.5 CD-ROM for about three weeks now. The 2.0.5 installer prompts you for network-related setup info, and the info is stored in /etc/sysconfig. This is not the case with 2.0. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 06:11:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA07498 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 06:11:56 -0700 Received: from mail.barrnet.net (mail.barrnet.net [131.119.246.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA07490 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 06:11:50 -0700 Received: from SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU (SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU [128.122.153.144]) by mail.barrnet.net (8.6.10/MAIL-RELAY-LEN) with SMTP id GAA19530 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 06:11:44 -0700 Received: by SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU (4.1/1.34) id AA17991; Sun, 30 Jul 95 09:10:02 EDT Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Joseph Steinberg To: FreeBSD Help! Subject: PLEASE help -- lpr Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have been trying for about a month to get lpr to work on my system. I can cat a ps file directly to /dev/lpt0 and it prints -- but lpr gives me blank pages. All I am asking for is for someone to send me a working printcap file for a psotscript printer. I have an HP-4 with postscript added. There has to be someone out there who is using a PS printer. Please send me a copy of your /etc/printcap file. Thanks. JS _ _ | | ___ ___ ___ _ __ | |__ Joseph Steinberg _ | |/ _ \/ __|/ _ \ '_ \| '_ \ steinber@slinky.cs.nyu.edu | |_| | (_) \__ \ __/ |_) | | | | http://haven.ios.com/~likud/steinber/ \___/ \___/|___/\___| .__/|_| |_| +1-201-833-9674 |_| From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 08:26:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA12007 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 08:26:18 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA12001 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 08:26:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:26:01 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Some questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, We at the Chabot Observatory & Science Center will be setting up a machine to run as a server using FreeBSD on a T1 connection but have a few questions that hopefully someone can answer. 1) How do I setup ethernet using a NE2000 compatible ethernet card? 2) We will be running our own nameserver as cosc.gov but how do I do the DNS entries and when we register our domain name with other nameservers besides our own, do we have to update the hostnames for the cosc.gov domain on our nameserver only or on all of the nameservers that are doing the DNS for our domain. Also, does anyone know how we can register under the gov or edu domain and like where we would get the applications? Sorry for some non-FreeBSD specific questions but I'm sure some of you FreeBSD users would know very much about this stuff. 3) We will be providing ppp/slip on our machine... Is there anyway to start ppp/slip from the shell as the server or do we have to use something like slirp in order to do this since all the ppp/slip ip's will be routed through the FreeBSD machine. Also, would I need to set the option "GATEWAY" on in the kernel config? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for you help! Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Board of Advisors From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 10:55:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA16586 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:55:18 -0700 Received: from saber.mute.com (c0.ptw.com [204.178.60.32]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA16576 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:55:05 -0700 Received: (from duane@localhost) by saber.mute.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA00223; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:59:45 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 10:59:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Duane R. Ellison" X-Sender: duane@saber.mute.com To: questions cc: Scott Gregory Subject: ISP running freebsd Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk If you are running a Internet Service Provider on a FreeBSD box I would like to know what equipment your are running and if you have a web sever running the url so I can look at it. My partner and I would like to setup an Internet Service Provider in a "no coverage" area and would like to see how other FreeBSD systems are set-up, how they look (web) and what you are using for equipment. Thanks... --- Duane ____________________________________________________________________________ Duane Ellison duane@gargamel.ptw.com http://gargamel.ptw.com/~duane From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 11:46:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA19236 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:46:42 -0700 Received: from colin.muc.de (colin.muc.de [193.174.4.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA19228 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:46:18 -0700 Received: from [193.174.4.22] ([193.174.4.22]) by colin.muc.de with SMTP id <42535-8>; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:45:28 +0200 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:47:42 +0200 To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com From: lutz@muc.de (Lutz Albers) Subject: Wangtek 51000ES tape ? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, has anybody had any success in getting the Wangtek 51000ES to work with FreeBSD 2.0.5 ? Writing a QIC-525 work, but whenever I want to write a QIC-1000 Tape (DC9120) I get a MEDIUM ERROR:info 1 after quite a while. mt status will identify the tape as ECMA TC-17 which doesn't sound correct. any ideas are welcome. ciao lutz --------------------------------------------------------------------- Lutz Albers, Luederitzstr. 14 | And you ? You're no one 81929 - Muenchen, FR Germany | And you ? You're falling phone: +49-89-933 404 | And you ? You're travelling fax: +49-89-929 46 75 | Travelling at the speed of light. email: lutz@muc.de | (Laurie Anderson, Strange Angels) http://www.muc.de/~lutz | Do not take life too seriously, you will never get out of it alive. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 11:53:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA19528 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:53:46 -0700 Received: from paxs.com (gw.paxs.com [204.188.110.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19522 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:53:44 -0700 Received: (from thor@localhost) by paxs.com (8.6.9/1.0000000001) id LAA07232; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:50:53 GMT Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:50:52 +0000 () From: Thor Clark X-Sender: thor@localhost To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Setting up a network printer Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello- I've got a good one--I'm running FreeBSD networked with a few Win95 machines. These machines can route through the FreeBSD machine, and I can ping them, etc, and ftp directly to them. There is no WinNT server, though. One of these machines has an HP laser printer connected to it, and I'd like to print directly from the FreeBSD machine to the printer. I have no idea how to do this -- if anyone has any ideas please let me know, or pointers, anything really. TIA -Thor From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 11:59:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA19803 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:59:07 -0700 Received: from nile.intac.com (nile.intac.com [198.6.114.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA19797 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:59:06 -0700 From: rjb@intac.com Received: from [198.6.114.59] (palpk-s9.intac.com [198.6.114.59]) by nile.intac.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA22790 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:00:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199507301900.PAA22790@nile.intac.com> X-Sender: rjb@intac.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:00:04 -0500 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Cammand to get host ethernet addr from csh... Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I've been using 'arp' to do this and was wondering if there's something else that just returns the host's ethernet addr in dot notation only. I'm trying to avoid having to parse the output from 'arp'. I want to use this command in my sysconfig file and pass it's output to ldconfig avoiding the need to hard code the host's address here like it's shown in that file's example.:-) Bob From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 12:00:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA19872 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:00:10 -0700 Received: from nile.intac.com (nile.intac.com [198.6.114.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19865 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:00:08 -0700 From: rjb@intac.com Received: from [198.6.114.59] (palpk-s9.intac.com [198.6.114.59]) by nile.intac.com (8.6.12/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA22830 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:01:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199507301901.PAA22830@nile.intac.com> X-Sender: rjb@intac.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:01:07 -0500 To: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Need correct address for PS2 mouse under 2.0.5 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Just installed 2.0.5 on a Micron box with a Micronics motherboard. Originally I thought it came with a standard Microsoft serial mouse which was what usually came from Micron in the past. This new box uses a PS2 type mouse with a small, round 9 pin connector. The keyboard is the same way. I've added the psm0 device configuration to my kernel however there's an apparent address conflict between the mouse and keyboard at 0x60. I'm still waiting for a tech person from Micronics to call and confirm the addresses that these devices are supposed to be at. I noted somewhere in the FreeBSD docs that some of these drivers may not probe and get the correct address info from the hardware. Is this true for /dev/psm0? Also, is there a command like hwconfig (system v) that will tell give me the correct hardware config data? Bob From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 12:14:25 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA20198 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:14:25 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA20192 ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:14:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199507301914.MAA20192@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Thor Clark cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up a network printer In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 30 Jul 95 11:50:52 -0000." Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:14:23 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Hello- > >I've got a good one--I'm running FreeBSD networked with >a few Win95 machines. These machines can route through the >FreeBSD machine, and I can ping them, etc, and ftp directly >to them. There is no WinNT server, though. SAMBA in the ports collection may allow you to do this. >-Thor -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 12:33:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA20677 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:33:21 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA20671 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:33:18 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA01566 ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:32:40 +0100 To: Thor Clark cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up a network printer In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 30 Jul 1995 11:50:52 -0000." Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:32:40 +0100 Message-ID: <1564.807132760@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message , Thor Clark writ es: >Hello- >I've got a good one--I'm running FreeBSD networked with >a few Win95 machines. These machines can route through the >FreeBSD machine, and I can ping them, etc, and ftp directly >to them. There is no WinNT server, though. >One of these machines has an HP laser printer connected to it, >and I'd like to print directly from the FreeBSD machine to >the printer. I have no idea how to do this -- if anyone has >any ideas please let me know, or pointers, anything really. Reverse the situation and it should work. Put the Laserjet on the FreeBSD box, and run pcnfs on it. You should then be able to print from the DOS/Window's PC's, although the software to do it may not exist for '95 yet :-( (That's how I have 2 machines and 1 printer and print from both - pcnfs is nice, although a big security hole). Gary From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 12:34:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA20735 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:34:47 -0700 Received: from bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA20729 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:34:46 -0700 Received: from tvo.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA01182; Sun, 30 Jul 95 15:34:48 EDT From: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org (Jordon Davidson) Reply-To: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Setup Trouble Date: 30 Jul 1995 20:22:29 GMT Message-Id: <19394526.15113702@tvo.org> Organization: From TVOntario's Public BBS Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello FreeBSD people, This question/bug report was also sent to bugs@* but since it's both, and I'm in a big hurry for a reply* here it is again. I have purchased your operating system on CD from Walnut Creek and I'm having a devil of a time getting it to setup. I am running a 75MHz Pentium box with 32 MB on board, an Adaptec AHA-1540CF SCSI board connected to a Conner 4.2 GB hard drive and 3 Panasonic CR-504-B CD-Rom drives. I have made boot and cpio floppies using both the batch file and manually with the same effect, a fatal system crash when BSD tries to newfs the partitions. I have reserved 55MB for a dos slice in the first one and the rest is set for FreeBSD on the next slice. In that slice I have the partitions as follows: a 32MB / b 64MB swap e 55MB /dos f 200MB /usr g 100MB /usr/local h 3600MB /usr/users When I hit Proceed to complete the installation I receive the following error message. EXEC(/stand/newfs) Failed, code=5888 and the debug editor reads: Debug <10> Progress With a block size of 32768 minimum bytes per inode is 5990 Minimum bytes per inode is 5990 With 16065 sectors per cylinder, minimum cylinders per group is 64 This requires the block size to be changed from 8192 to 37768 and the fragment size to be changed from 1024 to 4096 By setting up under the Fixit utility I receive the following fatal error: EXEC(/stand/fsck) Failed, code=8 with debug message: Debug <10> Progress ** /dev/rsd0a BAD SUPER BLOCK: MAGIC NUMBER WRONG Admittedly I ran this without the benefit of a complete installation. Next I tried to run the /kernel at bootup with the various extentions although I've no idea what they do, trial and error hoping one of them would allow me to reset the block and fragment sizes. /kernel -b yielded the extra debug text: Debug Debug Debug Debug <10> and then the same error message as the first one. I'm sure the problem is minor but I'm at a loss as to how to fix it. A prompt response would be really helpful. Thanks in advance, Jordon Davidson, Neptune Internet Services. P.S. I'm sure you already knew this but the instructions for making the boot floppies manualy erroneously refers to the dos_tool directory as 'dos-tool'. La-Tor, Jordon. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 12:56:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA21168 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:56:03 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA21162 ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:56:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199507301956.MAA21162@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setup Trouble In-reply-to: Your message of "30 Jul 95 20:22:29 GMT." <19394526.15113702@tvo.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 12:56:01 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk ... >I am running a 75MHz Pentium box with 32 MB on board, an Adaptec AHA-1540CF >SCSI board connected to a Conner 4.2 GB hard drive and 3 Panasonic CR-504-B >CD-Rom drives. > ... > >When I hit Proceed to complete the installation I receive the following error >message. > EXEC(/stand/newfs) Failed, code=5888 > ... >I'm sure the problem is minor but I'm at a loss as to how to fix it. >A prompt response would be really helpful. >Thanks in advance, >Jordon Davidson, >Neptune Internet Services. Your problem is that the FreeBSD install got the geometry of your disks incorrect. The easiest way to get the geometry correct is to boot dos and create a dos partition on the disk. Then, once in the FreeBSD installer, you can remove that partition if you wish. The FreeBSD installer will extract the geometry from the partition table created from dos, and will work fine. The other choice is to use the G)eometry option in the partition editor of the FreeBSD install. The geometry you give will depend on whether you have extended translation enabled on your 1540. The geometry should be: With Extended Translation disabled: 64Heads 32Sectors Cylinders = #MB reported by disk probe With Extended Translation enabled: 255Heads 63Sectors Cylinders = #MB reported by disk probe/7 -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 13:32:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA22124 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 13:32:36 -0700 Received: from nic.prep.net (nic.prep.net [192.156.226.50]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA22118 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 13:32:34 -0700 Received: by nic.prep.net (5.65/Ultrix3.0-C 02/11/93 boone) id AA11251; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:32:33 -0400 From: yates@prep.net (Brian Yates) Message-Id: <9507302032.AA11251@nic.prep.net> Subject: IBM MCA To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Jul 95 16:32:32 EDT Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have an IBM PS/2 Model 80. It is a 386 box with a Micro Channel bus, an ESDI drive interface, and an ESDI drive. I also have a 3Com MCA ehternet NIC, and an unknown MCA Arcnet board. I read on the web site that MCA is not currently supported? Does this mean that my PS/2 will not work at all? What is the status of MCA support? Who is working on MCA support? Can I help with testing of MCA support? Thanks, Brian Yates PREPnet Voice 215-387-6344 Fax 215-387-6302 From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 14:05:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA23831 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:05:26 -0700 Received: from tribe.tribe.com (tribe.tribe.com [199.35.172.35]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA23825 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 14:05:24 -0700 Received: by tribe.tribe.com (5.64/A/UX-3.00) id AA06105; Sun, 30 Jul 95 15:20:06 PDT From: archie@tribe.tribe.com (Archie Cobbs) Message-Id: <9507302220.AA06105@tribe.tribe.com> Subject: Re: stray irq 7? To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:20:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199507300825.BAA09952@elite.net> from "Nate Lawson" at Jul 30, 95 01:25:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 414 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Re: stray irq 7? > I get this message on my 486. Running 2.0.5-R. I compiled the kernel without > lpt support but it didn't get rid of this error. Any ideas? I get this occasionally as well. I've noticed that it happens mostly when I'm holding the middle mouse button down in X windows, like when scrolling back an xterm window, etc. I'm using a serial mouse running the "mouse systems" protocol. -Archie From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 15:54:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA26654 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:54:57 -0700 Received: from homer.prahran.swin.edu.au (homer.prahran.swin.edu.au [136.186.16.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA26648 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 15:54:55 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by homer.prahran.swin.edu.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA00549 for freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:39:39 GMT Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:39:39 GMT From: Aaron Elliott (UNIX SysOp) Message-Id: <199507302139.VAA00549@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au> To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: SLIP routing on internet.... Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all.. I am running SLIP through a 1.1.5.1 system, and I need the machine on the far end of the link to be seen on the rest of the networks routing tables. How is this done. FreeBSD doesnt seem to advertise the SLIP machine on the network. Thanks yous alls Aaron aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 16:51:34 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA28480 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:51:34 -0700 Received: from unx.ahoynet.com (unx.ahoynet.com [198.186.206.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA28474 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 16:51:29 -0700 From: lightspd@cybercity.com Received: from cybercity.com by unx.ahoynet.com id aa20229; 30 Jul 95 19:53 EDT Received: from MHS by cybercity.cybercity.com with MHS id BEACBFAB.SMP ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:02:52 EST Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 20:02:36 +0500 Subject: Help! To: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <9507301953.aa20229@unx.ahoynet.com> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, I'll K.I.S.S. this one: How do you get rid of Release 2.0's Boot Manager? From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 18:35:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA00865 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:35:01 -0700 Received: from clem.systemsix.com (clem.systemsix.com [198.99.86.131]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA00856 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 18:34:53 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clem.systemsix.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA23274 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:35:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199507310135.TAA23274@clem.systemsix.com> X-Authentication-Warning: clem.systemsix.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: questions@freeBSD.org Date: Sun, 30 Jul 1995 19:35:33 -0600 From: Steve Passe Sender: questions-owner@freeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello, Just installed 2.1.0-950726-SNAP, really like the improvement in the install process since 2.0! The only problem I had was the need for the '-alldirs' directive on the host holding the NFS source, the 2.0 script allowed me to mount '/usr' then provide a path from there. I attempted to port X11R6/XFree86-3.1 directly from my source tree (used for various OS's), ran into two problems for which I found no patches in ports-CURRENT: 1: the source expects to find /usr/include/machine/ioctl_pc.h which isn't there, I copied the one from 1.1.5.1 and this was resolved. WHat is the proper fix? 2: compiling the SVGA server causes: ..... making all in programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/vga256/vga... rm -f vgafillarcC.o gcc -c -m486 -O2 -I. -I../../../../../../programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common -I ../../../../../../programs/Xserver/hw/xfree86/os-support -I../../../../../../pro grams/Xserver/hw/xfree86/common_hw -I../../../../../../programs/Xserv er/cfb -I../../../../../../programs/Xserver/mfb -I../../../../../../programs/Xse rver/mi -I../../../../../../programs/Xserver/include -I../../../.. /../../X11 -I../../../../../../include/fonts -I../vgainit -I../../../. ./../.. -DSHAPE -DGCCUSESGAS -DAVOID_GLYPHBLT -DFUNCPROTO=15 -DNARROWPROT O -DPSZ=8 -DRROP=GXcopy vgafillarcC.c vgafillarcC.c: In function `vga256FillEllipseSolidCopy': vgafillarcC.c:119: duplicate label declaration `label1' vgafillarcC.c:105: this is a previous declaration vgafillarcC.c:119: duplicate label `label1' *** Error code 1 Stop. ..... I distilled the problem down to the following sample. It compiles without problem under 1.1.5.1/gcc-2.4.5 but FAILs as follows under 2.1.0/gcc-2.6.3: #define XXX() \ { \ __label__ label1; \ { \ label1: \ } \ x += 1; \ } foo() { int x; XXX(); XXX(); } % gcc label.c label.c: In function `foo': label.c:15: duplicate label declaration `label1' label.c:14: this is a previous declaration label.c:15: duplicate label `label1' the inner brackets evidently no longer localize the scope of "label1". Should the X11 source be fixed or is this a bug in gcc-2.6.3? Steve Passe smp@clem.systemsix.com From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 21:19:27 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA04919 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:19:27 -0700 Received: from hp.com (hp.com [15.255.152.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA04913 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:19:26 -0700 Received: from hpautobo.aus.hp.com by hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA163604363; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 21:19:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199507310419.AA163604363@hp.com> Received: by hpautobo.aus.hp.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA097474362; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:19:22 +1000 From: M C Wong Subject: TCP/IP-based apps protocol illustration ? To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 14:19:22 EST Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, There are many books out there with good illustration of TCP/IP protocols with timing-diagram etc, eg : describes about TCP state-machine. I wonder if anyone ever comes across any good reference detailing such application layer protocol as : smtp, telnet, news, etc etc ... ? Thanks in advance. From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 23:09:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA08009 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:09:13 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA08003 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:09:11 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA25907; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:01:01 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199507310631.QAA25907@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: stray irq 7? To: archie@tribe.tribe.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:01:00 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9507302220.AA06105@tribe.tribe.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Jul 30, 95 03:20:05 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 973 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Archie Cobbs stands accused of saying: > Re: stray irq 7? > > > I get this message on my 486. Running 2.0.5-R. I compiled the kernel without > > lpt support but it didn't get rid of this error. Any ideas? Something is generating a bogus interrupt. Braindead or faulty hardware is the most likely cause. > I get this occasionally as well. I've noticed that it happens mostly > when I'm holding the middle mouse button down in X windows, like when > scrolling back an xterm window, etc. It's possible that this is your video card; make sure that the IRQ9 jumper is disabled. > -Archie -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sun Jul 30 23:35:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA08426 for questions-outgoing; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:35:50 -0700 Received: from beastie.cs.und.ac.za (Beastie.CS.und.ac.za [146.230.224.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA08417 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 1995 23:35:36 -0700 Received: (from harverso@localhost) by beastie.cs.und.ac.za (8.6.11/8.6.11) id HAA27054; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:28:18 +0200 From: Tony Harverson Message-Id: <199507310528.HAA27054@beastie.cs.und.ac.za> Subject: Re: stray irq 7? To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:28:16 +0200 (SAT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507310631.QAA25907@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> from "Michael Smith" at Jul 31, 95 04:01:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 667 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I get this message on my 486. Running 2.0.5-R. I compiled the kernel without > > > lpt support but it didn't get rid of this error. Any ideas? > > Something is generating a bogus interrupt. Braindead or faulty hardware is > the most likely cause. Actually, I think not - It's been doing it on every FreeBSD Box I've Been on... Last I heard was a 'We don't know and aren't bothered to fix it cos it doesn't break anything ;) Later.. TOny -- ~~~|~~~ aka: Tony Harverson - the #za Stalker | rog = harverso@beastie.cs.und.ac.za "...Let us die young or let us live forever/We Don't have the power but we never say never.." - Alphaville From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 02:04:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA13941 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:04:45 -0700 Received: from VX23.CC.MONASH.EDU.AU (vx23.cc.monash.edu.au [130.194.1.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA13933 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 02:04:39 -0700 Received: from "port 3981"@cfs02.cc.monash.edu.au by vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au (PMDF V4.3-12 #8933) id <01HTJ0YGMS74I1HMZD@vaxc.cc.monash.edu.au>; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:31:06 +1000 Received: from CFS02/SpoolDir by cfs02.cc.monash.edu.au (Mercury 1.20) ; 31 Jul 95 17:31:08 GMT+1000 Received: from SpoolDir by CFS02 (Mercury 1.20); 31 Jul 95 17:31:00 GMT+1000 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:30:55 GMT+1000 From: Richard Samuel Subject: Trash Mail To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-id: <79A445A499B@cfs02.cc.monash.edu.au> Organization: Monash University X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On or about last Wednesday (27/7/95) a malformed message arrived in my mailbox causing utter chaos. The only discernable features of the message where snipets of obviously FreeBSD related material. Since that time I have not received any FreeBSD mailers and may have also lost other important mail in the tangle. Has anyone else encountered this problem ?. Richard Samuel ========================================================= rhsam1@cfs02.cc.monash.edu.au From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 05:26:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA19727 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 05:26:37 -0700 Received: from mailhub.acsu.buffalo.edu (mailhub.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.40]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA19721 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 05:26:36 -0700 Received: from dirac (dirac.localnet.com [204.97.226.197]) by mailhub (8.6.10/8.6.4) with SMTP id IAA25961 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:26:28 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:26:28 -0400 Message-Id: <199507311226.IAA25961@mailhub.acsu.buffalo.edu> X-Sender: ozhas-c@pop.acsu.buffalo.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: Cihat Ozhasoglu Subject: Boot manager and win95 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have been running FBSD 2.0.5R on my machine since it release date. I had the following configuration master drive(ide): windows nt 3.5, 500meg slave drive(ide): 1st 500meg fbsd, the rest windows nt This configuration worked flawlessly untill yesterday when I reformatted and repartitioned both of my harddrives. Also, for the above config. I used only one primary disk controller. Now I have windows 95 on my 1st ide and fnsd on the 2nd ide drive with 2 slices of 360 meg each. I also tried one large 700 meg slice. I am using a secondary e-ide controller for the fbsd hd. I installed win95 1st and then fbsd, installation runs very smoothly (from WC-cdrom) and I install (supposedly) the boot manager (also tried standard) but when it reboots, there is absolutely no trace of the boot manager or any part of fbsd. I get booted directly into win95!!!! Is there any way around this problem? Isn't fbsd supposed to overwrite the win95 boot blocks? Thanks for your time :-) Cihat Ozhasoglu Dept. of Physics Suny at Buffalo Buffalo, NY 14260-1500 email: ozhas-c@acsu.buffalo.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 06:01:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA20938 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:01:16 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA20932 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:01:14 -0700 Received: from otter.cs.yorku.ca (otter.cs.yorku.ca [130.63.92.22]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA10823 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:01:09 -0700 Received: by cs.yorku.ca (8.6.12/YU_CS_869.1.1) id IAA02667; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:59:50 -0400 From: "S DAVID PULLARA" Received: from wolf by otter with SMTPD id <2666>; Mon, 31 July 1995 08:59:50 -0400 Received: by wolf.cs.yorku.ca (8.6.12/YU_CSsub_869.1.0) for questions@freebsd.org id IAA02719; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:59:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:59:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199507311259.IAA02719@wolf.cs.yorku.ca> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: kernel compilation error Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. Well, I've got the system running. (woohoo!) I tried to recompile the kernel to enable support for my mouse. I believe I have all the source code for FreeBSD 2.1 (the snap released the other day, i think) However I got an undefined symbol error: hw_float in kern_sysctl.o I looked around the source but couldn't see where this variable is defined (it is declared in sys/sysctl.h). Am I doing something wrong? David Pullara ps. A sidebar question: I'm using PPP to connect to my school hosts. However it ties up one of the virtual consoles (I haven't configured X yet). Is this the way it is, or is there a way around this? Thanks! From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 06:14:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA21474 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:14:03 -0700 Received: from starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [199.86.32.187]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA21467 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 06:14:00 -0700 From: john@starfire.mn.org Received: (from john@localhost) by starfire.mn.org (8.6.11/1.1) id IAA11180 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:13:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199507311313.IAA11180@starfire.mn.org> Subject: ppp restart methods To: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:13:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1771 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I see three basic mechanisms to automatically restarting pppd when a full- time link is desired. 1) checking periodically (e.g. cron) to see if the link is up, and restarting it if it is not. 2) use the -detach option to pppd and have a script in a loop-forever restarting it 3) use the "disconnect" option to start a script which forks a process to sleep for a few seconds, and then restart the daemon There are scripts going around which implement #1, and this seems to have been the "traditional" solution, but it does not appeal to me because of the granularity of the external test and because of the necessity of testing all the time for a condition that pppd itself detects quit accurately. I am trying to choose between #2 and #3, but I don't really see a lot which distinguishes them. I am currently leaning toward #3 for two reasons -- I am not certain that I understand all of the side- effects of defeating the detach if there is a controlling terminal involved, this solution doesn't rely on an external process waiting for it to exit. The thing that bothers me about #3 is that I am "misusing" the disconnect feature in that it probably executes this script in all exit cases, whereas I really only want to execute the script in cases of external disconnection (HUP) and not when a SIGTERM has been received, and it will be prudent to include some mechanism within the script to determine whether or not a restart is actually desired. I am currently planning on using a test for the existance of /etc/nologin to determine whether to restart or not. Any comments, clarifications, observations, or recommendations will be welcome. John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 07:59:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA25878 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:59:32 -0700 Received: from erika.fdata.se (erika.fdata.se [159.72.248.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA25868 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 07:59:25 -0700 Received: from erika.fdata.se ([193.241.212.201]) by erika.fdata.se (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA26291 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:06:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:06:02 +0200 Message-Id: <199507311506.RAA26291@erika.fdata.se> X-Sender: thek@erika.fdata.se X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: thek@erika.fdata.se (Kristofer Pettersson) Subject: Can't get my mouse to work.. Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Dear sirs, I can't get my mouse to work. While using the post-installation script (v2.0.5) i'm asked to select a device for my mouse. The problem is I havn't got a clue which one to pick. I use a compaq (microsoft) mouse connected to one of those small round sockets :-) (looks just like the keyboard socket). This port is not a COM-port. What must I do? Very greatful for anykind of help. /Kristofer Pettersson From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 08:06:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA26305 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:06:15 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA26299 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:06:10 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA10483; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:56:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:56:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Don's FList drop" To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: Ching Shih , freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: multiple serial ports? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I can say beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Boca 16 port (BB2016) works like a champ. All that is required to use it is a kernel recompile (and the instructions on the sio man page are pretty clear about this) to use multiport boards and to MAKEDEV the devices. If it's desired, I'll write a step-by-step for it for the handbook. On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > can someone tell Ching Shih which multi-serial-port cards FreeBSD > currently supports? i am not active in that particular area. > > On Mon, 24 Jul 1995, Ching Shih wrote: > > > > Is that possible to be done? > > I have a machine running the 2.0.5. It runs great! > > Now I'd like to add some modems to it, say 20 modems. > > One way I can do is to add a terminal server to my LAN. > > > > Is that possible for me to find a multiple serial card > > to put in my PC for this purpose? > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. > FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy > play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 > ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 > > From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 08:10:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA26554 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:10:12 -0700 Received: from FSL.ORST.EDU (FSL.ORST.EDU [128.193.112.105]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA26548 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:10:10 -0700 Received: (from hernanw@localhost) by FSL.ORST.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA24335; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:10:08 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:10:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Wayne Hernandez To: questions Subject: mkisofs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anybody been successful with the mkisofs program? I have someone who is willing to burn a cdrom if this program works, or could tell me how to proceed another way. Wayne From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 08:41:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA29841 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:41:15 -0700 Received: from tale.frihet.com (ns.frihet.com [165.227.57.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA29827 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:41:11 -0700 Received: from localhost.frihet.com (tweten@localhost.frihet.com [127.0.0.1]) by tale.frihet.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA28805; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:39:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199507311539.IAA28805@tale.frihet.com> X-Authentication-Warning: tale.frihet.com: Host localhost.frihet.com didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.5.3 12/28/94 Reply-To: "David E. Tweten" To: john@starfire.mn.org cc: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Subject: Re: ppp restart methods Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 08:39:51 -0700 From: "David E. Tweten" Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk John Lind writes: > I see three basic mechanisms to automatically restarting pppd when a full- > time link is desired. > 1) checking periodically (e.g. cron) to see if the link is up, and restarting > it if it is not. > 2) use the -detach option to pppd and have a script in a loop-forever > restarting it > 3) use the "disconnect" option to start a script which forks a process > to sleep for a few seconds, and then restart the daemon For reasons that escape me, my favorite solution to the problem seems to get little attention on this list. It is: 4) Put a reference to pppd into /etc/ttys. Set the modem option so pppd will clean up and quit when it loses the phone connection. Set the -detach option, so init can keep track of it. You have to use pppd version 2.1.1 or later, so the modem option will work correctly. The version of pppd that came with FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 was too early. Otherwise, no problems. Pppd starts automatically as the system goes into multi-user mode. When the line drops, init restarts pppd almost immediately, the connection is typically remade within a minute, and all my TCP connections survive across the dropped connection. For "a full-time link" I see no reason to even consider anything else. -- David E. Tweten | PGP Key fingerprint = | tweten@frihet.com 12141 Atrium Drive | E9 59 E7 5C 6B 88 B8 90 | tweten@and.com Saratoga, CA 95070-3162 | 65 30 2A A4 A0 BC 49 AE | (408) 446-4131 The only flags worth saluting are those you are permitted to burn. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 10:01:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA10913 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:01:17 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA10907 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 10:01:14 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA10800; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:49:23 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:49:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "Don's FList drop" To: M C Wong cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: TCP/IP-based apps protocol illustration ? In-Reply-To: <199507310419.AA163604363@hp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Mon, 31 Jul 1995, M C Wong wrote: > Hi, > There are many books out there with good illustration of TCP/IP > protocols with timing-diagram etc, eg : describes about TCP state-machine. > I wonder if anyone ever comes across any good reference detailing such > application layer protocol as : smtp, telnet, news, etc etc ... ? TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 2. I'll look up the publisher name when I get home, but my local Borders Bookstore carriess it. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 11:04:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA15592 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:04:47 -0700 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu (ns-mx.uiowa.edu [128.255.1.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15583 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:04:41 -0700 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (8.6.10/19950309.1) on Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:02:10 -0500 id NAA30421 with SMTP Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:02:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199507311802.NAA30421@ns-mx.uiowa.edu> X-Sender: aj-klopp@www.uihc.uiowa.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: aj-klopp@uiowa.edu (A.J. Klopp) Subject: Network drivers for 3Com 3C590 available? Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Are network drivers for 3Com's 3C590 available, or planned? Thanks, A.J. Klopp aj-klopp@uiowa.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 11:04:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA15606 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:04:48 -0700 Received: from otter.cs.yorku.ca (otter.cs.yorku.ca [130.63.92.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA15593 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:04:47 -0700 Received: by cs.yorku.ca (8.6.12/YU_CS_869.1.1) id OAA19999; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:04:42 -0400 From: "S DAVID PULLARA" Received: from wolf by otter with SMTPD id <19998>; Mon, 31 July 1995 14:04:42 -0400 Received: by wolf.cs.yorku.ca (8.6.12/YU_CSsub_869.1.0) for questions@freebsd.org id OAA24999; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:04:42 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:04:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199507311804.OAA24999@wolf.cs.yorku.ca> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Prev. 2 questions Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there. Sorry to flood your questions mailbox, but... :) I have two questions outstanding that I've sent since this weekend. The first was about using FTP to install freebsd (I asked about how to get my domain name server, etc.) Please ignore that first question, as I've since solved it. Thanks david From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 11:11:25 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA16035 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:11:25 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA16029 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:11:24 -0700 Received: from whyanext.com (whyanext-ser1.inet.portal.com [156.151.160.29]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09287 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:10:27 -0700 Received: by whyanext.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA03689; Mon, 31 Jul 95 11:10:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:10:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherman Mui To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: 3COM 3c503 Etherlink II Problem Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Ok, now that I've just about abandoned my tape installation of 2.0.5 because the drive wasn't detected properly and I had tar'red the tape with the wrong block size... I'm was going to try a FTP install. But my 3c503 card isn't being detected. I have the address at 0x300 (default). It just doesn't find anything. Anybody have any clues for me? Thanks, Sherman From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 11:51:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA18286 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:51:51 -0700 Received: from opal.spawar.navy.mil (OPAL.SPAWAR.NAVY.MIL [192.26.7.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA18280 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:51:48 -0700 Received: from garnet.spawar.navy.mil by opal.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03032; Mon, 31 Jul 95 14:49:26 EDT Received: by garnet.spawar.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00106; Mon, 31 Jul 95 14:51:18 EDT Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Swanchara Subject: BASH--TERMCAP entry too long core To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone had a problem with bash. It works fine when on the local host, but when logging in remotely with the user's shell as bash, errors occur saying Termcap entry too long Termcap entry too long Segmentation fault (core dumped) rlogin: connection closed. any ideas, I am running 2.0.5R and bash 1.14.4 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Steve Swanchara Voice: (703) 734-6429 Engineer Fax: (703) 734-6042 TRW Systems Integration Group EMail: sswan@garnet.spawar.navy.mil Tysons Corner, Va Supporting the United States Navy's Integrated Undersea Surveillance System (IUSS) Surveillance Towed Array Sensor System (SURTASS) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 11:56:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA18779 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:56:16 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA18773 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 11:56:14 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24347; Mon, 31 Jul 95 12:48:53 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9507311848.AA24347@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Setting up a network printer To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 12:48:53 MDT Cc: thor@paxs.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507301914.MAA20192@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jul 30, 95 12:14:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I've got a good one--I'm running FreeBSD networked with > >a few Win95 machines. These machines can route through the > >FreeBSD machine, and I can ping them, etc, and ftp directly > >to them. There is no WinNT server, though. > > SAMBA in the ports collection may allow you to do this. It won't. You'll beed to put client services on the BSD box by hacking up their client paying special attention to how they handle the incoming print requests in Samba itself. Basically, this meand moving the SMB-over-TCP client services into a more general code abstraction. I've been meaning to put this in the kernel under socket services, mostly to support BSD mounts of LANManager drives, but I haven't had time. In such a design, printing would just be a bonus; the big deal is allowing it to be a consumer of file system services. Maybe in 1997. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 12:10:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA19421 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:10:05 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA19414 ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:10:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199507311910.MAA19414@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) cc: thor@paxs.com, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Setting up a network printer In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 31 Jul 95 12:48:53 MDT." <9507311848.AA24347@cs.weber.edu> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:10:02 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >> >I've got a good one--I'm running FreeBSD networked with >> >a few Win95 machines. These machines can route through the >> >FreeBSD machine, and I can ping them, etc, and ftp directly >> >to them. There is no WinNT server, though. >> >> SAMBA in the ports collection may allow you to do this. > >It won't. Are you sure? From the samba man page: The smbclient(1) program implements a simple ftp-like client. This is useful for accessing SMB shares on other compatible servers (such as WfWg), and can also be used to allow a unix box to print to a printer attached to any SMB server (such as a PC running WfWg). > Terry Lambert > terry@cs.weber.edu >--- >Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present >or previous employers. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 12:10:09 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA19444 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:10:09 -0700 Received: from maggie.cs.mcgill.ca (maggie.CS.McGill.CA [132.206.51.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA19429 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:10:07 -0700 Received: (from sarrazip@localhost) by maggie.cs.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) id PAA23065 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:09:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 15:09:53 -0400 From: Pierre Sarrazin Message-Id: <199507311909.PAA23065@maggie.cs.mcgill.ca> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: pppd on FreeBSD 2.0 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I tried running pppd on my FreeBSD 2.0 system (under root). It always says "Sorry - PPP is not available on this system". I don't understand why the executable pppd is there if PPP isn't available... I thought FreeBSD 2.0 was "PPP-ready". Where am I going wrong? Also, in some PPP FAQ, it says to put one's "domain name" somewhere in a file called "/etc/ppp/options". What if I don't have a domain name? All my PPP server (at the University) says is my IP address (in numerical form). Can I just omit the "domain" line in /etc/ppp/options? Last question: recently, all the 386bsd newsgroups were deemed obsolete by the News server I use at the U. Where should I look for newsgroups about FreeBSD? Pierre Sarrazin [Montreal] From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 12:52:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA21778 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:52:05 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA21769 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 12:52:02 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24695; Mon, 31 Jul 95 13:44:50 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9507311944.AA24695@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Setting up a network printer To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com (Justin T. Gibbs) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 95 13:44:50 MDT Cc: thor@paxs.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507311910.MAA19414@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jul 31, 95 12:10:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> SAMBA in the ports collection may allow you to do this. > > > >It won't. > > Are you sure? From the samba man page: > > The smbclient(1) program implements a simple ftp-like > client. This is useful for accessing SMB shares on other > compatible servers (such as WfWg), and can also be used to > allow a unix box to print to a printer attached to any SMB > server (such as a PC running WfWg). This must be new. Never mind. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 13:12:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA22713 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:12:18 -0700 Received: from everest (dtr.rain.com [204.119.8.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA22701 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:12:14 -0700 From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by everest (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA04917; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:10:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199507312010.NAA04917@everest> Subject: Re: pppd on FreeBSD 2.0 To: sarrazip@CS.McGill.CA (Pierre Sarrazin) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507311909.PAA23065@maggie.cs.mcgill.ca> from "Pierre Sarrazin" at Jul 31, 95 03:09:53 pm Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1440 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I tried running pppd on my FreeBSD 2.0 system (under root). It always > says "Sorry - PPP is not available on this system". I don't understand > why the executable pppd is there if PPP isn't available... I thought > FreeBSD 2.0 was "PPP-ready". Where am I going wrong? 2.0 ships without ppp supported compiled into the kernel for various reasons. What you'll need to do the following: * Install the kernel sources, if you haven't already. * cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf * cp GENERIC MYKERNEL * vi MYKERNEL * Uncomment the line that reads 'pseudo-device ppp 1'. Configure for the number of ppp devices you require. * config MYKERNEL * cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL * make depend * make * make install * shutdown -r now > Also, in some PPP FAQ, it says to put one's "domain name" somewhere in > a file called "/etc/ppp/options". What if I don't have a domain name? > All my PPP server (at the University) says is my IP address (in > numerical form). Can I just omit the "domain" line in > /etc/ppp/options? AFAIK, the 'domain' keyword in /etc/ppp/options is only used if you're using CHAP or PAP authentication. > Last question: recently, all the 386bsd newsgroups were deemed obsolete > by the News server I use at the U. Where should I look for newsgroups > about FreeBSD? comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.announce and comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Your best resource is probably the mailing lists and WWW site (http://www.freebsd.org/), however. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 13:28:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA23261 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:28:18 -0700 Received: from alpha.enc.edu (alpha.enc.edu [199.93.252.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA23255 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 13:28:16 -0700 Received: by alpha.enc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03 rev 11/30/94) id AA29736; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:26:43 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:26:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles N. Owens" To: questions list FreeBSD Subject: iBCS SCO status, Locus Merge Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I realize that the iBCS stuff isn't scheduled for inclusion in the regular releases, but I was wondering if there's any way I could get the current code to play with?? Does anyone have any idea of whether or not it would run something as complex as Locus's "merge" product? This is what SCO uses to execute DOS & Windows apps from its OS. I'm trying to put together a Unix served X-Station lab, and I'd really like to use FreeBSD on ALL of the servers, but I NEED support for DOS & Windows. Any info would be appreciated, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 14:52:33 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA29695 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:52:33 -0700 Received: from relay2.UU.NET (relay2.UU.NET [192.48.96.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA29680 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 14:52:26 -0700 Received: from asylum.asylum.org by relay2.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQzaux20711; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:49:52 -0400 Received: (from dlr@localhost) by asylum.asylum.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA01719 for questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:51:37 -0400 From: dlr Message-Id: <199507312051.QAA01719@asylum.asylum.org> Subject: Dump and Restore To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:51:36 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: <199507311910.MAA19414@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Justin T. Gibbs" at Jul 31, 95 12:10:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 338 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Using ft I am able to dump partitions using the following with v2.0: dump -0uf - / | ft "/ save" dump -0uf - /usr | ft "/usr save" dump -0uf - /usr/local | ft "/usr/local save" Of course this is no good unless I am able to restore. Would anyone who has done so successfully post a command line to restore a partition using ft. dave From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 16:20:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA08633 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:20:59 -0700 Received: from uswat.advtech.uswest.com (uswat.advtech.uswest.com [130.13.16.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA08607 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 16:20:55 -0700 Received: from westhub ([148.156.21.6]) by uswat.advtech.uswest.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA29323 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 17:20:52 -0600 Received: by westhub.mnet.uswest.com (M-Net Hub.950111) Message-Id: Date: 31 Jul 1995 16:41:45 U From: "Owen Newnan" Subject: slow parallel printing To: "questions about FreeBSD" X-Mailer: Mail*Link SMTP-QM 3.0.2 GM Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Subject: Time:4:37 PM OFFICE MEMO slow parallel printing Date:7/31/95 I configured my printers using termcap pointing to /dev/lpt0 (parallel interface). The Epson Stylus Color works, but two orders of magnitude slower than under DOS. The HP LaserJet II just blinks. What gives? From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 18:18:27 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA26273 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:18:27 -0700 Received: from efn.efn.org (efn.org [198.68.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA26261 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:18:25 -0700 Received: from nike (haus.efn.org) by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA04777; Mon, 31 Jul 95 18:18:11 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:18:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney X-Sender: gurney_j@nike To: questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk is there a way to reprobe a scsi bus that currently doesn't have any drices recognized by FreeBSD? i.e. you start up FreeBSD without any devices attached or your unplug one... then FreeBSD doesn't have any devices related to the scsi bus... and then you want to add something like a cdrom drive? I know about the command "scsi -f device -p" but it requires a device? is there a way without a device? John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org Modem/FAX: (503) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 18:26:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA28027 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:26:21 -0700 Received: from bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA28017 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:26:20 -0700 Received: from tvo.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA15229; Mon, 31 Jul 95 21:26:11 EDT From: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org (Jordon Davidson) Reply-To: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org To: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Re: Setup Trouble Date: 31 Jul 1995 23:36:35 GMT Message-Id: <19380316.1774112@tvo.org> Organization: From TVOntario's Public BBS Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sadly, your Geometry setting suggestion did not work (the Geometry was already correct). Upon FreeBSD's attempt to install itself I once again received the following error and debug report: EXEC(/stand/newfs) Failed, code=5888 Debug Debug Debug Debug <10> Debug <10> Progress With a block size of 32768 minimum bytes per inode is 5990 Minimum bytes per inode is 5990 With 16065 sectors per cylinder, minimum cylinders per group is 64 This requires the block size to be changed from 8192 to 37768 and the fragment size to be changed from 1024 to 4096 I'm convinced that the problem could be easily rectified if I could just change the block and fragmentation sizes to the reccomended sizes; but how? Your next best suggestion would be appreciated. Also, will programs configured to run in SCO Unix 3.2.x run in FreeBSD? I believe that I read in the documentation that they would but verbose confirmation would be appreciated as both my UPS and digiboard are SCO but not BSD compliant. Thank you for your help. Jordon Davidson, Neptune Internet Services. From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 18:38:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA29858 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:38:42 -0700 Received: from SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU (ZOO-GW.CS.YALE.EDU [128.36.0.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA29852 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:38:41 -0700 Received: from FROG.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU by SUNED.ZOO.CS.YALE.EDU via SMTP; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:38:38 -0400 Received: by FROG.ZOO2.CS.YALE.EDU (Sendmail-5.65c/res.client.cf-3.7) id AA27251; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:38:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:38:35 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Ben" To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: PCMCIA and Ethernet on Thinkpad Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just installed FreeBSD 2.0.5-REALEASE on my Thinkpad 500, replacing 1.1.5. In any case, does 2.0.5R support PCMCIA 28.8 modems like my Practical Peripherals 28.8 ProClass? If not, will it soon? The PCMCIA answer string shows up when the port is probed(i.e. when zp0 is probed, since I also have a 3COM Etherlink III PCMCIA that sometimes occupies the slot). Unfortunately, I have not gotten Kermit to recognize the modem. Also, I seem to be unable to configure my 3Com Etherlink III to be able to see the outside world. I can ping myself, but I can't get ICMP or any sort of messaging from the outside world, nor can I ping anything else on the same wire. I have changed the values in /etc/sysconfig but nonetheless it still won't work. I'd appreciate any help I can get--great piece of work, y'all. Ben. ____ Ben Samman..............................................samman@cs.yale.edu I have learned silence from the talkative, toleration from the intolerant, and kindness from the unkind; yet, strange, I am ungrateful to those teachers.-- K. Gibran. 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For information Email: zldf@clark.net http://www.netresponse.com/zldf From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 18:50:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA01005 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:50:20 -0700 Received: from clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA00999 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 18:50:19 -0700 Received: from starner.clark.net (starner.clark.net [168.143.7.211]) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA10610 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:50:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199508010150.VAA10610@clark.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Mark Starner" To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:50:35 -300 Subject: Cant See sio0 on IRQ 4 Reply-to: starner@clark.net Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.01) Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just got my downloaded the 2.1-SNAP boot floppy to check for support the Adaptec 3940 SCSI Controller (Thanks Justin) and when it was booting, i noticed it didn't see sio0 (it saw sio1). COM1 (mouse) and COM2) modem work on everything else I use (windows 95, windows NT, DOS/Windows) I tried swapping the modem and the i/o card with the same result, sio0 not seen. I have a Pentium 90 MB with Award Modular BIOS Adaptec AHA 3940 PCI SCSI controller ATI mach64 PCI video SoundBlaster AWE32 Supra 28.8 Modem and S1366 PCI IDE and Fast I/O controller. (with IDE disabled, i am using it for flopppy, printer and serial port) I tried disabling the serial port on this card and using another ISA card with com1 enabled and it didnt see that one either. If I configure the I/O card to use 0x3F8 and IRQ 9 the probe works... if i switch it back to IRQ 4 it doesnt. It is like something is stomping on IRQ 4, but i dont know what.... Both 2.0.5a (CD-ROM) and the 2.1-....-SNAP exhibit this behaviour?? has anyone else seen anything like this???? Thanks Mark From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 19:13:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA02116 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:13:01 -0700 Received: from curly.cc.swin.edu.au (curly.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA02110 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:12:57 -0700 Received: from remus.tafe.swin.edu.au by curly.cc.swin.edu.au (5.65c/1.34) id AA07434; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:12:36 +1000 Received: From ADMINO/WORKQUEUE by remus.tafe.swin.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950801121548.480; 01 Aug 95 12:16:13 +500 Message-Id: From: "Aaron Elliott." Organization: Swinburne TAFE To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:07:54 +10 Subject: SLIP routing on internet.... Reply-To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hello all.. I am running SLIP through a 1.1.5.1 system, and I need the machine on the far end of the link to be seen on the rest of the network. Like this: ________________ -------> SLIP <-------------------|PC at home: (winsock) |136.186.16.10 |136.186.16.9 v |________________ --------------------------- |homer.prahran.swin.edu.au| |FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 | --------------------------- | <-Ethernet | 136.186.16.11 ____ |--------------------------------------------/ \ Cisco \____/--------->Internet How is this done. FreeBSD doesnt seem to advertise the SLIP machine (16.9) on the network. Ive tried arp publishing, different routing commands, all of which dont seem to do much... Thank you! Aaron Elliott, CNA. [VK3AJQ] Swinburne University of Technology, Prahran Campus. Melbourne Australia. InterNet: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au. FidoNet: aaron@3:632/370.fidonet.org. GSM Mobile: +61 41 930 2361 From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 19:30:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA02864 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:30:22 -0700 Received: from lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA02835 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:29:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199508010229.TAA02835@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05355; Tue, 1 Aug 95 10:19:41 +0800 From: Yen-Wei Liu Subject: ed1 time out with NE2000 clone To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 10:19:41 EAT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have an NE2000 clone card and FreeBSD 2.05 can recognize it. But as ifconfig sets its parameters, the error message 'ed1 time out' starts to appear. Does anyone have any idea how this can happen ? -- Yen-Wei Liu From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 19:39:31 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA03327 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:39:31 -0700 Received: from efn.efn.org (efn.org [198.68.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA03321 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:39:25 -0700 Received: from nike (haus.efn.org) by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA14117; Mon, 31 Jul 95 19:38:47 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:39:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney X-Sender: gurney_j@nike To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Aaron Elliott. wrote: > Hello all.. > > I am running SLIP through a 1.1.5.1 system, and I need the machine on > the far end of the link to be seen on the rest of the network. > > Like this: ________________ > -------> SLIP <-------------------|PC at home: (winsock) > |136.186.16.10 |136.186.16.9 > v |________________ > --------------------------- > |homer.prahran.swin.edu.au| > |FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 | > --------------------------- > | <-Ethernet > | 136.186.16.11 ____ > |--------------------------------------------/ \ Cisco > \____/--------->Internet > > > How is this done. FreeBSD doesnt seem to advertise the SLIP > machine (16.9) on the network. > > Ive tried arp publishing, different routing commands, all of > which dont seem to do much... have you taken a look at the faq on setting up a slir server? they have a section on proxy arp... I think this is what you are looking for... John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org Modem/FAX: (503) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 19:48:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA03771 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:48:26 -0700 Received: from efn.efn.org (efn.org [198.68.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA03761 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:48:23 -0700 Received: from nike (haus.efn.org) by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA15232; Mon, 31 Jul 95 19:46:52 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 19:47:12 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney X-Sender: gurney_j@nike To: Yen-Wei Liu Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: ed1 time out with NE2000 clone In-Reply-To: <199508010229.TAA02835@freefall.cdrom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Yen-Wei Liu wrote: > > Hi, > > I have an NE2000 clone card and FreeBSD 2.05 can recognize it. But as > ifconfig sets its parameters, the error message 'ed1 time out' starts > to appear. > > Does anyone have any idea how this can happen ? from my experience there are two possibly causes... one is that the irq on the card and the irq in the kernel isn't the same... or that the connection to the network is bad, i.e. isn't connected or bad cable to hub... Hope this helps... TTYL... John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org Modem/FAX: (503) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 20:07:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA04521 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:07:41 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA04515 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:07:39 -0700 Received: from curly.cc.swin.edu.au (curly.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.5]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id UAA15680 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:07:30 -0700 Received: from remus.tafe.swin.edu.au by curly.cc.swin.edu.au (5.65c/1.34) id AA07726; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:00:52 +1000 Received: From ADMINO/WORKQUEUE by remus.tafe.swin.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950801130402.384; 01 Aug 95 13:04:29 +500 Message-Id: From: "Aaron Elliott." Organization: Swinburne TAFE To: John-Mark Gurney Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:56:08 +10 Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... Reply-To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there... Thanks for the reply!! > >have you taken a look at the faq on setting up a slir server? they have >a section on proxy arp... I think this is what you are looking for... Where can I find this??? Aaron Elliott, CNA. [VK3AJQ] Swinburne University of Technology, Prahran Campus. Melbourne Australia. InterNet: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au. FidoNet: aaron@3:632/370.fidonet.org. GSM Mobile: +61 41 930 2361 From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 20:54:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA06710 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:54:11 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA06698 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 20:54:03 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA27878; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:43:57 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508010413.NAA27878@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ed1 time out with NE2000 clone To: ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:43:56 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508010229.TAA02835@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Aug 1, 95 10:19:41 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 738 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Yen-Wei Liu stands accused of saying: > I have an NE2000 clone card and FreeBSD 2.05 can recognize it. But as > ifconfig sets its parameters, the error message 'ed1 time out' starts > to appear. > > Does anyone have any idea how this can happen ? Yup. Either you haven't plugged the cable in, or you've got the IRQ for the card wrong. > Yen-Wei Liu -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 21:08:39 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA07512 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:08:39 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA07501 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:08:37 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA27949; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:00:41 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508010430.OAA27949@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: 3COM 3c503 Etherlink II Problem To: moooster@whyanext.com (Sherman Mui) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:00:40 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Sherman Mui" at Jul 31, 95 11:10:23 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 722 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sherman Mui stands accused of saying: > I'm was going to try a FTP install. But my 3c503 card isn't being > detected. I have the address at 0x300 (default). It just doesn't find > anything. Anybody have any clues for me? What else is in the system? Anything else at 0x300? Do you have the shared memory on the card disabled? > Sherman -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 21:29:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA08258 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:29:15 -0700 Received: from easynet.com (easy1.easynet.com [199.2.26.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA08252 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:29:14 -0700 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0sd8xG-000rfnC; Mon, 31 Jul 95 21:29 WET DST Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: ups 3.14 (the debugger) on 2.0.5? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:29:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 121 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Has anyone ported/gotten running ups 3.14 beta under FreeBSD 2.0.5 or later? Thanks, Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 22:34:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA10211 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:34:16 -0700 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA10203 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:33:55 -0700 Received: from whyanext.com (whyanext-ser1.inet.portal.com [156.151.160.29]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA16947; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:32:48 -0700 Received: by whyanext.com (NX5.67c/NX3.0S) id AA06502; Mon, 31 Jul 95 22:32:48 -0700 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:32:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherman Mui To: Michael Smith Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 3COM 3c503 Etherlink II Problem In-Reply-To: <199508010430.OAA27949@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Michael Smith wrote: > Sherman Mui stands accused of saying: > > I'm was going to try a FTP install. But my 3c503 card isn't being > > detected. I have the address at 0x300 (default). It just doesn't find > > anything. Anybody have any clues for me? > What else is in the system? Anything else at 0x300? Do you have the > shared memory on the card disabled? Yep... I had the shared memory thing disabled. Someone else told me it had to be on 0xd800000 or something like that. I re-jumpered and it was detected. Thanks... Sherman From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 22:38:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA10344 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:38:38 -0700 Received: from efn.efn.org (efn.org [198.68.17.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA10336 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:38:17 -0700 Received: from nike (haus.efn.org) by efn.efn.org (4.1/smail2.5/05-07-92) id AA01243; Mon, 31 Jul 95 22:37:35 PDT Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:37:57 -0700 (PDT) From: John-Mark Gurney X-Sender: gurney_j@nike To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Aaron Elliott. wrote: > Hi there... Thanks for the reply!! > > > >have you taken a look at the faq on setting up a slir server? they have > >a section on proxy arp... I think this is what you are looking for... > > > Where can I find this??? it's on freebsd's www site: http://freefall.cdrom.com/How/handbook/handbook-99.html#143 enjoy!!! John-Mark gurney_j@efn.org Modem/FAX: (503) 683-6954 (FreeBSD Box) Live in Peace, destroy Micro$oft, support free software, run FreeBSD (unix) From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Jul 31 22:56:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA10884 for questions-outgoing; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:56:59 -0700 Received: from saul4.u.washington.edu (saul4.u.washington.edu [140.142.83.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA10878 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:56:58 -0700 Received: by saul4.u.washington.edu (5.65+UW95.05/UW-NDC Revision: 2.33 ) id AA24057; Mon, 31 Jul 95 22:56:55 -0700 X-Sender: spaz@saul4.u.washington.edu Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 22:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: John Utz To: Sean Kelly Cc: terry@cs.weber.edu, questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: tip "link down" err msg In-Reply-To: <9507201918.AA07617@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi guys; fwiw; steve gerakines sent me a copy of rzsz that worked like an absolute champ. it not only works, it shows the fxfer stats and doesnt hang the remote end, either he said it is a real old, unbroken redistributable copy. i wonder why it worked for me and nothing else did, but all the other versions i recieved worked for every one else. how incredibly strange. oh, well. next: malloc frenzy! ******************************************************************************* John Utz spaz@stein.u.washington.edu idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 01:09:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA14300 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 01:09:19 -0700 Received: from odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de [139.30.40.28]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA14256 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 01:08:20 -0700 Received: (from uphya001@localhost) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA06670; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:04:35 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:04:35 +0200 From: Lars koeller Message-Id: <199508010804.KAA06670@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\, ]_frt6eM; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 04:37:53 -0700 Received: (from uphya001@localhost) by odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA10976 for freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:36:57 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:36:57 +0200 From: Lars koeller Message-Id: <199508011136.NAA10976@odie.physik2.uni-rostock.de> X-Face: nLQGe[[K51[{{[C\,BiQm[7]u1m{N>_\%nLBo4t@)CoZ}hK[W7DwX&V=}Wf#Qb,j:Jpj[(12r=b~:dYmh]fDf\, ]_frt6eM; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:06:43 -0700 Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id HAA00268 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:59:03 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199508011159.HAA00268@hda.com> Subject: Hundreds of sendmails To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 07:59:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 637 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone suggest why on a 2.05R system I wind up with hundreds of sendmails running, eventually running out of swap and killing the system? It has a single slip line, uses the standard sendmail setup, and a similar setup has caused no problems on two other systems. It has 16MB memory and 32MB swap. All the system is doing is collecting mail and storing it to the local hard drive. -- *** Net and mailer reconfig is going on @hda.com. Problems to hdslip@iii.net Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 05:52:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA22827 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:52:58 -0700 Received: from hda.com (hda.com [199.232.40.182]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA22819 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:52:56 -0700 Received: (from dufault@localhost) by hda.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA01188; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:45:16 -0400 From: Peter Dufault Message-Id: <199508011245.IAA01188@hda.com> Subject: Re: slow parallel printing To: onewnan@denitqm.ecte.uswc.uswest.com (Owen Newnan) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Owen Newnan" at Jul 31, 95 04:41:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 669 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Owen Newnan writes: > I configured my printers using termcap pointing to /dev/lpt0 (parallel > interface). The Epson Stylus Color works, but two orders of magnitude > slower than under DOS. The HP LaserJet II just blinks. What gives? I don't know the answer, but I have used one system like that and by using lptcontrol to switch from interrupts to polled makes it usable but still not as fast as it should be. -- *** Net and mailer reconfig is going on @hda.com. Problems to hdslip@iii.net Peter Dufault Real Time Machine Control and Simulation HD Associates, Inc. Voice: 508 433 6936 dufault@hda.com Fax: 508 433 5267 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 06:01:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA23195 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:01:20 -0700 Received: from regen.dkrz.de (regen.dkrz.de [136.172.60.241]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA22870 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 05:53:32 -0700 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dkrz/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; 01 Aug 95 14:53:07+0200 Date: 01 Aug 95 14:53:07+0200 From: Heiner Strauss Message-ID: <9508011253.AA12747@regen.dkrz.de> Subject: Can't install from SCSI-streamer To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 359 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Good morning, I can't install FBSD 2.0.5 from the SCSI-tape. After booting I get the message st0: not ready. The time for the device to settle is to short, the Wangtek 5150ESX needs at least 30 secs to settle when a tape is loaded. So the sysinstall can't find the tape. Can someone make a boot disk whith at least 30 secs settle time ? Greetings Heiner From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 06:09:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA23468 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:09:32 -0700 Received: from server.netcraft.co.uk (server.netcraft.co.uk [194.72.238.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23460 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:09:28 -0700 Received: (from paul@localhost) by server.netcraft.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id OAA04364; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:09:02 +0100 From: Paul Richards Message-Id: <199508011309.OAA04364@server.netcraft.co.uk> Subject: Re: iBCS SCO status, Locus Merge To: owensc@alpha.enc.edu (Charles N. Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:09:01 +0100 (BST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: from "Charles N. Owens" at Jul 31, 95 04:26:43 pm Reply-to: paul@FreeBSD.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 1105 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk In reply to Charles N. Owens who said > > Hi, > I realize that the iBCS stuff isn't scheduled for inclusion in > the regular releases, but I was wondering if there's any way I could get > the current code to play with?? > Does anyone have any idea of whether or not it would run > something as complex as Locus's "merge" product? This is what SCO uses > to execute DOS & Windows apps from its OS. > I'm trying to put together a Unix served X-Station lab, and I'd > really like to use FreeBSD on ALL of the servers, but I NEED support for > DOS & Windows. Hmm, interesting idea of shortcutting our path to DOS support but I bet it needs a vm86 call :-( Anyway, anyone got any experience with running commercial databases under FreeBSD. Someone here wants to run a database and is willing to buy a commercial product so I'm trying to find out if anyone's got any reports of using anything succesffully. -- Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 06:21:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA23917 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:21:55 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23911 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:21:54 -0700 Received: from ixgate02.dfnrelay.d400.de (ixgate02.dfnrelay.d400.de [193.174.248.2]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA19692 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:21:19 -0700 X400-Received: by mta d400relay in /PRMD=dfnrelay/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:18:33 +0200 X400-Received: by /PRMD=dkrz/ADMD=d400/C=de/; Relayed; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:53:07 +0200 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:53:07 +0200 X400-Originator: strauss@dkrz.d400.de X400-Recipients: non-disclosure:; X400-MTS-Identifier: [/PRMD=dkrz/ADMD=d400/C=de/;807281593@regen.dkrz.de] X400-Content-Type: P2-1984 (2) Content-Identifier: Can't install... Alternate-Recipient: Allowed From: Heiner Strauss Message-ID: <9508011253.AA12747@regen.dkrz.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Can't install from SCSI-streamer X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 359 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Good morning, I can't install FBSD 2.0.5 from the SCSI-tape. After booting I get the message st0: not ready. The time for the device to settle is to short, the Wangtek 5150ESX needs at least 30 secs to settle when a tape is loaded. So the sysinstall can't find the tape. Can someone make a boot disk whith at least 30 secs settle time ? Greetings Heiner From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 06:23:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA23987 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:23:20 -0700 Received: from elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (surfs-up.demon.co.uk [158.152.128.94]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA23861 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 06:18:54 -0700 Received: (from nik@localhost) by elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA01479 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:08:53 GMT From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <199508011308.NAA01479@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Subject: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:08:52 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1457 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, In my occasional pokings around LINT, I've run into the following # Only the root, /usr, and /tmp filesystems need be statically # compiled; everything else will be automatically loaded at mount # time. (Exception: the UFS family---FFS, MFS, and LFS---cannot # currently be demand-loaded.) Some people still prefer to statically # compile other filesystems as well. As far as I can tell, this means that I can compile a kernel with options FFS options NFS and then simply load the FDESC, CD9660, KERNFS, MSDOSFS, NULLFS, UMAPFS and PROCFS filesystems at run time, rather than including them as options in the kernel configuration file. Since I like to keep my kernels small, I see this as a good thing. However, lkm(4) says Virtual File System modules Virtual file systems may be added via the LKM interface. At this time, only file systems which are already known to the system can be added, because of the way the mount(2) system call is imple- mented. which seems to contradict my hypothesis above. Anyone got the straight dope on this? N -- --+=[ Nik Clayton System Administration, Blueberry Design Ltd, ]=+-- --+=[ nik@blueberry.co.uk 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre ]=+-- --+=[ root@blueberry.co.uk London, SW10 0XE. Tel: 0171 351 3313 ]=+-- "It's two o'clock in the morning . . . do you know where your stack pointer is?" From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 08:06:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA26434 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:06:57 -0700 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU [128.114.129.22]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA26426 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:06:55 -0700 Received: from scruz.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id IAA09171; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:06:52 -0700 Received: from osprey by scruz.ucsc.edu id aa09000; 1 Aug 95 8:04 PDT Received: (from markd@localhost) by Grizzly.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA00156; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:04:17 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:04:17 -0700 From: Mark Diekhans Message-Id: <199508011504.IAA00156@Grizzly.COM> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: sio overflow problems with adding a fourth port. Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I currently have a card with 3 serial ports on it. I am trying to add sio3 on another serial card. All other ports on the second card are disabled and no device is hooked up to sio3 yet. With this setup, I get lots of sio overflows on sio2 (a US Robotics 28.8 modem). The only time this didn't happen was when I dialed out without bothering to startup X. Am I doing something totally stupid. Any ideas? This is with FreeBSD 2.0 Thanks Mark Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: Probing for devices on the ISA bus: Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sc0: VGA color <4 virtual consoles> Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio0: type 16450 Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 12 on isa Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio1: type 16550A Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio2 at 0x3e8-0x3ef irq 10 on isa Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio2: type 16550A Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio3 at 0x2e8-0x2ef irq 3 on isa Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: sio3: type 16550A Jul 31 22:54:07 osprey kernel: lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: lpt0: Interrupt-driven port Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: lp0: TCP/IP capable interface Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: lpt1: disabled, not probed. Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: fdc0: [0: fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in] [1: fd1: 1.2MB 5.25in] Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: aha0: reading board settings, dma=5 int=11 (bus speed defaulted) Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: aha0 at 0x330-0x333 irq 11 drq 5 on isa Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: aha0 waiting for scsi devices to settle Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: aha0 targ 0 lun 0: type 0(direct) fixed SCSI2 Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: aha0 targ 0 lun 0: Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: sd0: 2047MB (4194058 total sec), 3511 cyl, 11 head, 108 sec, bytes/sec 512 Jul 31 22:54:08 osprey kernel: npx0 on motherboard From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 08:30:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA27564 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:30:52 -0700 Received: from relay.hp.com (relay.hp.com [15.255.152.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA27558 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:30:40 -0700 Received: from srmail.sr.hp.com by relay.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA151610779; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:26:19 -0700 Received: from hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com by srmail.sr.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA176990778; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:26:18 -0700 Received: from mina.sr.hp.com by hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA182330774; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 08:26:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199508011526.AA182330774@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com> To: Michael Smith Cc: ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu), questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ed1 time out with NE2000 clone In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Aug 1995 13:43:56 +0930." <199508010413.NAA27878@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Date: Tue, 01 Aug 1995 08:26:13 -0700 From: Darryl Okahata Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Yen-Wei Liu stands accused of saying: > > I have an NE2000 clone card and FreeBSD 2.05 can recognize it. But as > > ifconfig sets its parameters, the error message 'ed1 time out' starts > > to appear. > > > > Does anyone have any idea how this can happen ? > > Yup. Either you haven't plugged the cable in, or you've got the IRQ > for the card wrong. Another possibility is that there is an IRQ conflict (two cards using the same IRQ, and not the case where the card and kernel IRQ differ). -- Darryl Okahata Internet: darrylo@sr.hp.com DISCLAIMER: this message is the author's personal opinion and does not constitute the support, opinion or policy of Hewlett-Packard or of the little green men that have been following him all day. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 09:09:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA28832 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:09:58 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA28823 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:09:56 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA05390; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:06:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk You might need to run routed to get it to announce. I'm doing pretty much this same thing (check out "http://www.newell.arlington.va.us/mcnet") and it works quite well. You need to launch routed with the "-s" qualifier; I think the startup files use the "-q" qualifier which explicitly tells routed not to announce its routes. Mike On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Aaron Elliott. wrote: > Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:07:54 +10 > From: Aaron Elliott. > To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com > Subject: SLIP routing on internet.... > > Hello all.. > > I am running SLIP through a 1.1.5.1 system, and I need the machine on > the far end of the link to be seen on the rest of the network. > > Like this: ________________ > -------> SLIP <-------------------|PC at home: (winsock) > |136.186.16.10 |136.186.16.9 > v |________________ > --------------------------- > |homer.prahran.swin.edu.au| > |FreeBSD 1.1.5.1 | > --------------------------- > | <-Ethernet > | 136.186.16.11 ____ > |--------------------------------------------/ \ Cisco > \____/--------->Internet > > > How is this done. FreeBSD doesnt seem to advertise the SLIP > machine (16.9) on the network. > > Ive tried arp publishing, different routing commands, all of > which dont seem to do much... > > Thank you! > > > > Aaron Elliott, CNA. [VK3AJQ] > Swinburne University of Technology, Prahran Campus. Melbourne > Australia. > > InterNet: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au. > FidoNet: aaron@3:632/370.fidonet.org. > GSM Mobile: +61 41 930 2361 > Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www.eco.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 09:45:44 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA29986 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:45:44 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA29980 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:45:42 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA17312; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:43:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:43:31 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508011643.AA17312@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Nik Clayton Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems In-Reply-To: <199508011308.NAA01479@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> References: <199508011308.NAA01479@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk < said: > and then simply load the FDESC, CD9660, KERNFS, MSDOSFS, NULLFS, > UMAPFS and PROCFS filesystems at run time, rather than including them as > options in the kernel configuration file. > However, lkm(4) says > Virtual File System modules > Virtual file systems may be added via the LKM interface. At this > time, only file systems which are already known to the system can > be added, because of the way the mount(2) system call is imple- > mented. lkm.4 is wrong, although even if it were correct it still wouldn't matter for what you wish to do, since all the filesystems shipped with the system are ``already known to the system''. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 09:50:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA00273 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:50:06 -0700 Received: from bubba.tribe.com (bubba.tribe.com [199.35.172.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00266 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:50:04 -0700 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA04353; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:49:28 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199508011649.JAA04353@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: ed1 time out with NE2000 clone To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:49:27 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) In-Reply-To: <199508010229.TAA02835@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Aug 1, 95 10:19:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 632 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I have an NE2000 clone card and FreeBSD 2.05 can recognize it. But as > ifconfig sets its parameters, the error message 'ed1 time out' starts > to appear. > > Does anyone have any idea how this can happen ? I'm not sure of the 'how' of it, but this happened to me as well. The thing I did is get a copy of the configuration disk (which runs under DOS) and set the parameters of the card to: Twisted Pair (or whatever) Port 0x300 IRQ 5 Address $D80000 (disclaimer: this is from memory) I can send you a copy of such a disk if you need one. I assume it will work with your clone, but that may not be true... -Archie From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 09:53:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA00414 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:53:58 -0700 Received: from starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [199.86.32.187]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA00408 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 09:53:55 -0700 From: john@starfire.mn.org Received: (from john@localhost) by starfire.mn.org (8.6.11/1.1) id LAA18295 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:53:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199508011653.LAA18295@starfire.mn.org> Subject: Drawing IP addresses from a pool for dial-in SL/IP and PPP To: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:53:12 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1199 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a number of users that dial in for network access, far more than I can assign IP addresses to. My solution to this was to create a modified sliplogin which will draw IP addresses from a bitmapped pool. I also added additional fprintf's to make the information available to the users' dialin scripts to automatically adapt to the assigned IP address. I give the gateway IP also, but so far everyone is just using the IP of the ethernet card in the host as their gateway address. Now I wish to make PPP available in the same way, and I am wondering if I will need to do the same thing, or if PPP has some mechanism for handling that. Actually, when it comes right down to it, I could use some help setting up PPP for dial-in use on modem lines which are shared with FAX, SL/IP, PPP, and regular login-users... My current hunch is to set up a single special-purpose login, perhaps with no password at all, and then require PAP or CHAP authentication in pppd. Comments/suggestions? If anyone is interested in my IP-pooling sliplogin, they are welcome to it. Just e-mail me. John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 10:03:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA00809 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:03:17 -0700 Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA00803 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:03:16 -0700 Received: from by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA27065; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:00:24 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:00:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199508011700.KAA27065@ix6.ix.netcom.com> From: perilous@ix.netcom.com (William Harrison) Subject: Systems Administration To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there as administration script in FreeBSD to add new users etc? perilous From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 10:07:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA00958 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:07:17 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA00952 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:07:14 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA02096; Tue, 1 Aug 95 11:00:05 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9508011700.AA02096@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: iBCS SCO status, Locus Merge To: owensc@alpha.enc.edu (Charles N. Owens) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 11:00:04 MDT Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Charles N. Owens" at Jul 31, 95 04:26:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I realize that the iBCS stuff isn't scheduled for inclusion in > the regular releases, but I was wondering if there's any way I could get > the current code to play with?? It *is* part of the release stuff. > Does anyone have any idea of whether or not it would run > something as complex as Locus's "merge" product? This is what SCO uses > to execute DOS & Windows apps from its OS. No, it would not. Merge has kernel level support for the console driver and for VM86() (virtual machine) support. > I'm trying to put together a Unix served X-Station lab, and I'd > really like to use FreeBSD on ALL of the servers, but I NEED support for > DOS & Windows. Currently, PCEMU and WINE both run, though neither are up to the merge/softwindows level. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 10:27:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA01379 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:27:58 -0700 Received: from rflab1.gtri.gatech.edu (rflab1.gtri.gatech.edu [130.207.199.83]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA01373 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:27:56 -0700 Received: (from ken@localhost) by rflab1.gtri.gatech.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA03706; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:27:29 -0400 From: "Kenneth D. Merry" Message-Id: <199508011727.NAA03706@rflab1.gtri.gatech.edu> Subject: Re: Systems Administration To: perilous@ix.netcom.com (William Harrison) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199508011700.KAA27065@ix6.ix.netcom.com> from "William Harrison" at Aug 1, 95 10:00:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 285 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Is there as administration script in FreeBSD to add new users etc? Try /usr/sbin/adduser. (assuming you're using 2.0.5 or later) To find out how it works, type 'man adduser' Ken -- Kenneth Merry ken@rflab1.gtri.gatech.edu Disclaimer: I don't speak for GTRI, GT, or Elvis. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 10:42:09 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA01643 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:42:09 -0700 Received: from alpha.enc.edu (alpha.enc.edu [199.93.252.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01637 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:42:07 -0700 Received: by alpha.enc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03 rev 11/30/94) id AA16083; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:40:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles N. Owens" To: Terry Lambert Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iBCS SCO status, Locus Merge In-Reply-To: <9508011700.AA02096@cs.weber.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Tue, 1 Aug 1995, Terry Lambert wrote: > > I realize that the iBCS stuff isn't scheduled for inclusion in > > the regular releases, but I was wondering if there's any way I could get > > the current code to play with?? > > It *is* part of the release stuff. Oh...oops. Pardon my ignorance. Is there something in the man pages about it... or somewhere in the source tree perhaps? > > Does anyone have any idea of whether or not it would run > > something as complex as Locus's "merge" product? This is what SCO uses > > to execute DOS & Windows apps from its OS. > > No, it would not. Merge has kernel level support for the console > driver and for VM86() (virtual machine) support. Bummer... Thanks for the info! --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 10:51:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA01956 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:51:07 -0700 Received: from alpha.enc.edu (alpha.enc.edu [199.93.252.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA01950 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 10:51:06 -0700 Received: by alpha.enc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03 rev 11/30/94) id AA17652; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:49:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles N. Owens" To: questions list FreeBSD Subject: NCR 53C825 PCI SCSI in WIDE mode? Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I've been using an NCR 53C825 PCI SCSI controller with a SCSI-2 Fast drive with great performance.... but... Is this controller supported in WIDE mode (with, of course, the expected performance improvements)? I seem to recall that it is, but would appreciate a confirmation. thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 11:38:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA02798 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:38:21 -0700 Received: from alpha.enc.edu (alpha.enc.edu [199.93.252.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA02792 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 11:38:19 -0700 Received: by alpha.enc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03 rev 11/30/94) id AA25472; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:36:48 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:36:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles N. Owens" To: questions list FreeBSD Subject: Netatalk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, Does anyone know anything about the current status of using NetAtalk with FBSD 2.x ? I heard that someone, somewhere, was working on it. thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 12:38:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA04074 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:38:43 -0700 Received: from gwa.ericsson.com (gwa.ericsson.com [198.215.127.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA04068 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 12:38:42 -0700 Received: from mr2.exu.ericsson.se (mr2.exu.ericsson.com [138.85.147.12]) by gwa.ericsson.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id OAA02011; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:38:10 -0500 Received: from noah.lmc.ericsson.se (noah.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.1.1]) by mr2.exu.ericsson.se (8.6.8/NAHUB-MR1.1) with ESMTP id OAA18229; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:37:51 -0500 Received: from haddock.lmc.ericsson.se (haddock.lmc.ericsson.se [142.133.45.19]) by noah.lmc.ericsson.se (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA08098; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:37:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (lmcsato@localhost) by haddock.lmc.ericsson.se (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA04877; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:38:41 -0400 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:38:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Samy Touati To: William Harrison cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Systems Administration In-Reply-To: <199508011700.KAA27065@ix6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yes, adduser. Samy From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 14:45:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA07711 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:45:03 -0700 Received: from foo.garply.com (foo.garply.com [165.113.188.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07698 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:45:00 -0700 Received: from darkstar.garply.com by foo.garply.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Nov94-0235PM) id AA32025; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:48:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:48:45 -0500 Message-Id: <9508012148.AA32025@foo.garply.com> X-Sender: rsi@garply.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: rsi@garply.com (ResearchSouth) Subject: Using freeBSD on High-end P5/PCI/FW-SCSI2 P.C. Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sirs : I am in the market for a high-end Pentium system for code porting/developement work. I will be bringing codes from UNIX work-stations & larger machines as well as adding new capabilities as time permits. I am interested in availing myself of the GNU compilers for their cross-compilation capability & thus am looking at freeBSD & Linux as operating system choices for the P.C. Linux does not currently (stably) support the Adaptec 2940W controller which I will probably be using on this machine. I would appreciate any information you could provide on systems which are definitely/definitely not supported by your current stable release of freeBSD (2.1.1 ?) Sincerely William A. Mahaffey III From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 14:45:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA07737 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:45:21 -0700 Received: from foo.garply.com (foo.garply.com [165.113.188.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA07726 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 14:45:17 -0700 Received: from darkstar.garply.com by foo.garply.com; (5.65/1.1.8.2/22Nov94-0235PM) id AA00416; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:49:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:49:02 -0500 Message-Id: <9508012149.AA00416@foo.garply.com> X-Sender: rsi@garply.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: rsi@garply.com (ResearchSouth) Subject: Using freeBSD on High-end P5/PCI/FW-SCSI2 P.C. Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Sirs : I am in the market for a high-end Pentium system for code porting/developement work. I will be bringing codes from UNIX work-stations & larger machines as well as adding new capabilities as time permits. I am interested in availing myself of the GNU compilers for their cross-compilation capability & thus am looking at freeBSD & Linux as operating system choices for the P.C. Linux does not currently (stably) support the Adaptec 2940W controller which I will probably be using on this machine. I would appreciate any information you could provide on systems which are definitely/definitely not supported by your current stable release of freeBSD (2.1.1 ?) Sincerely William A. Mahaffey III From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 15:48:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA11230 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:48:45 -0700 Received: from bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA11224 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 15:48:43 -0700 Received: from tvo.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA19258; Tue, 1 Aug 95 18:48:37 EDT From: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org (Jordon Davidson) Reply-To: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Fwd: Re(2): Setup Trouble Date: 01 Aug 1995 23:03:54 GMT Message-Id: <1193687260.6912783@tvo.org> Organization: From TVOntario's Public BBS Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sadly, your Geometry setting suggestion did not work (the Geometry was already correct). Upon FreeBSD's attempt to install itself I once again received the following error and debug report: EXEC(/stand/newfs) Failed, code=5888 Debug Debug Debug Debug <10> Debug <10> Progress With a block size of 32768 minimum bytes per inode is 5990 Minimum bytes per inode is 5990 With 16065 sectors per cylinder, minimum cylinders per group is 64 This requires the block size to be changed from 8192 to 37768 and the fragment size to be changed from 1024 to 4096 I'm convinced that the problem could be easily rectified if I could just change the block and fragmentation sizes to the reccomended sizes; but how? Your next best suggestion would be appreciated. Also, will programs configured to run in SCO Unix 3.2.x run in FreeBSD? I believe that I read in the documentation that they would but verbose confirmation would be appreciated as both my UPS and digiboard are SCO but not BSD compliant. Thank you for your help. Jordon Davidson, Neptune Internet Services. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 16:33:09 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA13437 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:33:09 -0700 Received: from spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13431 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:33:07 -0700 Received: by spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id TAA10140; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:32:37 -0400 From: Kristyn Fayette Message-Id: <199508012332.TAA10140@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Dump and Restore To: dlr@asylum.org (dlr) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199507312051.QAA01719@asylum.asylum.org> from "dlr" at Jul 31, 95 04:51:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 541 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk } Using ft I am able to dump partitions using the following with v2.0: } } dump -0uf - / | ft "/ save" } dump -0uf - /usr | ft "/usr save" } dump -0uf - /usr/local | ft "/usr/local save" } } Of course this is no good unless I am able to restore. Would anyone who } has done so successfully post a command line to restore a partition using ft. } } dave } ft | restore -if - or whatever options you like to use with restore. -- -=(*)=- Kristyn Fayette -=(*)=- kristyn@gnu.ai.mit.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 16:45:25 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA14447 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:45:25 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA14437 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:45:24 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA05600; Tue, 1 Aug 95 17:36:01 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9508012336.AA05600@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems To: nik@blueberry.co.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 17:36:00 MDT Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508011308.NAA01479@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> from "Nik Clayton" at Aug 1, 95 01:08:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > However, lkm(4) says > > Virtual File System modules > Virtual file systems may be added via the LKM interface. At this > time, only file systems which are already known to the system can > be added, because of the way the mount(2) system call is imple- > mented. > > which seems to contradict my hypothesis above. > > Anyone got the straight dope on this? The mount system call code takes a manifest constant specifying file system type; this constant is defined in mount.h. The manifest constant is used as a table index to look up the file system type. This is why the man page says this; unless there is a pre-reserved slot, there would be no way for mount to identify the file system type and then make the appropriate call, since there would be no way to determine the manifest constant to use in the mount system call as the file system type index. So "known" in this context means "manifest constant in mount.h". The appropriate fix for this is to get the file system type by name and pass that to the kernel to have it mapped to a table location. Probably via linear search, since it's not a common operation and occurs only as a result of administrative fiat. There's already an interface to lookup by name; the missing piece is is passing a name instead of a constant over the mount layer and some changes to table lookup, organization, and dead entry identification. If you wanted to get fancy, you'd provide a user level fstyp mechanism similar to the one in SVR4 to identify file system type from device contents (usually superblock). Then calling mount would automatically pick the right mount command and "just work". There is a partial code cleanup of the mountroot warts in my account on freefall. The CD9600 and NFS code still need cleanup in this regard, and then the device mapping for the root device needs to move to the vfs_mountroot routine (which I've put in kern/vfs_conf.c). Really, it wants file systems to be described with a flags descriptor so that you can know whether a file system is local or remote, or the vfsops structure needs those flags. That would allow it to format FS type specific by class instead of by FS. The NFS is the big worry here; the CD9660 stuff is really very warty in that it should be able to identify file system types rather than needing them passed in via flags. I didn't do the NFS cleanup or the full i386/i386/autoconf.c cleanup because of the CD9660 cruft, mostly because I don't have a big enough CDROM collection to warrant that the autodetect code would work (Jordan or someone needs to take that code and fix it). Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 16:50:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA14857 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:50:38 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA14844 ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 16:50:33 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA05677; Tue, 1 Aug 95 17:43:21 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9508012343.AA05677@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: iBCS SCO status, Locus Merge To: paul@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 95 17:43:20 MDT Cc: owensc@alpha.enc.edu, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508011309.OAA04364@server.netcraft.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Aug 1, 95 02:09:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ ... use Merge/386 ... ] > Hmm, interesting idea of shortcutting our path to DOS support but I bet it > needs a vm86 call :-( It needs more than that. It needs to be able to specify segment size and a lot of other crap -- on top of needing VM86() support. Some of the work is already in place because of WINE. Most isn't. > Anyway, anyone got any experience with running commercial databases under > FreeBSD. Someone here wants to run a database and is willing to buy > a commercial product so I'm trying to find out if anyone's got any reports > of using anything succesffully. I have run Sybase for the AT&T StarServer. Install is a bitch. Part of IBCS2 needs to be the platform install tools. I had the same problem installing Lotus 1-2-3 for UNIX. I manually installed the Sybase by reading what it was doing and doing each step manually. Figure an hour to an hour and a half. The Lotus I bailed on. I renamed a genuine SVR4.0.2 box, installed it, and then moved the binary images over. Their copy protection is about as dumb as FrameMaker's license management, and as relatively easy to break when you need to. The Sybase install was complicated by needing /dev/socket to run. Check the Linux sources on how to implement /dev/socket, which you will need to do. I don't have an unencumbered version lying around. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 18:29:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA20908 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:29:59 -0700 Received: from lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA20854 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 18:28:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199508020128.SAA20854@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08787; Wed, 2 Aug 95 09:11:20 +0800 From: Yen-Wei Liu Subject: Re: ed1 time out with NE2000 clone To: darrylo@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com (Darryl Okahata) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 9:11:19 EAT Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508011526.AA182330774@hpnmhjw.sr.hp.com>; from "Darryl Okahata" at Aug 01, 95 8:26 am Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Yen-Wei Liu stands accused of saying: > > > I have an NE2000 clone card and FreeBSD 2.05 can recognize it. But as > > > ifconfig sets its parameters, the error message 'ed1 time out' starts > > > to appear. > > > > > > Does anyone have any idea how this can happen ? > > > > Yup. Either you haven't plugged the cable in, or you've got the IRQ > > for the card wrong. > > Another possibility is that there is an IRQ conflict (two cards > using the same IRQ, and not the case where the card and kernel IRQ > differ). > Yes. After resetting the IRQ on card to 0x5 as the default value, everthing works find. Thanks for your help. -- Yen-Wei Liu From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 20:00:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA26141 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:00:14 -0700 Received: from lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id TAA26113 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 19:59:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199508020259.TAA26113@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09158; Wed, 2 Aug 95 10:49:54 +0800 From: Yen-Wei Liu Subject: Password aging in FreeBSD To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 10:49:54 EAT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just wonder if there is password aging feature in the work, or some add-on program can do the trick. -- Yen-Wei Liu Internet e-mail address:ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw ywliu@gate.sinica.edu.tw FAX: +886-2-783-6444 From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 20:26:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA28286 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:26:00 -0700 Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA28272 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:25:56 -0700 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA01242 for questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:25:21 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199508020325.UAA01242@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: xman, rcsfreeze To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:25:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 481 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Two quick things I've noticed... has anyone else?: * Trying to run "rcsfreeze", I get this error: /usr/bin/rcsfreeze: 43: Syntax error: ";" unexpected This is running in a directory with nothing in it but RCS/ ... * Xman doesn't show the X-related man pages. As I understand it, this is because I don't have a MANPATH variable set... has anyone else looked into this? Xman should pay attention to /etc/manpath.config, IAIW (in an ideal world). Thanks, -Archie From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 20:26:23 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA28358 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:26:23 -0700 Received: from everest (dtr.rain.com [204.119.8.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA28350 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:26:21 -0700 From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by everest (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA08532; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:24:12 -0700 Message-Id: <199508020324.UAA08532@everest> Subject: Re: Password aging in FreeBSD To: ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508020259.TAA26113@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Aug 2, 95 10:49:54 am Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 197 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Hi, > I just wonder if there is password aging feature in the work, or > some add-on program can do the trick. It's already a feature. "man 5 passwd" should tell you all you need to know. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 21:30:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA04355 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:30:35 -0700 Received: from bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.42]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA04345 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 21:30:34 -0700 Received: from tvo.org by bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21570; Wed, 2 Aug 95 00:30:32 EDT From: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org (Jordon Davidson) Reply-To: Jordon_Davidson@tvo.org To: questions@FreeBSD.org Cc: gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: FreeBSD Setup Date: 02 Aug 1995 04:45:45 GMT Message-Id: <4660862.8166280@tvo.org> Organization: From TVOntario's Public BBS Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Howdy FreeBSD people, Just dropping a line to let you know that it was a Geometry problem, as you had suggested, we needed to turn off the extended BIOS managment, and then tell BSD that the Geometry was not what it thought it was, but rather what it should be (via your recomendation of course). It's up and running now, thanks again! La-Tor, Jordon Davidson, Neptune Internet Services. From owner-freebsd-questions Tue Aug 1 22:10:08 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA07380 for questions-outgoing; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:10:08 -0700 Received: from tippy.vnet.net (tippy.vnet.net [166.82.197.240]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA07374 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 1995 22:10:06 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by tippy.vnet.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA12616; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:06:37 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 01:06:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Madison To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Pentiums and FreeBSD! In-Reply-To: <4660862.8166280@tvo.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all! I finally have saved enough $ to purchase my dream machine (well actually just enough to get a good start:-) ); my ancient 386 is just getting to old. I am looking for a Pentium mb that is known to work with FreeBSD, with external and internal cache working. I am looking for one in the 100 - 120Mhz range, with a min of 8M RAM, 256k cache and the latest and greatest chipset. I'm not really worried about having all the KEWL addons because I know what I want in that area (and those will have to wait until after a few more saving binges!). However, if an off the shelf system works great then I will consider one of those too. Any feedback would greatly be appreciated. thanx chris ========================================================================== root@tippy.vnet.net | in work cmmadiso@uncc.edu | ========================================================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 02:56:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA26830 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 02:56:29 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id CAA26818 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 02:56:25 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA20454; Wed, 2 Aug 95 11:54:18 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA13696; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:09:05 +0200 Message-Id: <199508021009.MAA13696@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: PLEASE help -- lpr To: steinber@SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU (Joseph Steinberg) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:09:04 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Joseph Steinberg" at Jul 30, 95 09:10:01 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1340 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I have been trying for about a month to get lpr to work on my system. > I can cat a ps file directly to /dev/lpt0 and it prints -- but lpr gives > me blank pages. > All I am asking for is for someone to send me a working printcap file for > a psotscript printer. I have an HP-4 with postscript added. > There has to be someone out there who is using a PS printer. Please send > me a copy of your /etc/printcap file. Could it be that you need a filter that converts plain (unix style EOL) to in case you're printing ascii files? I had this problem with a HP laserjetIII. I've written a litte C program that inserted a CR everytime a LF was found and made that to an entry in /etc/printcap: if=/usr/local/bin/lpf > Thanks. > JS > > > _ _ > | | ___ ___ ___ _ __ | |__ Joseph Steinberg > _ | |/ _ \/ __|/ _ \ '_ \| '_ \ steinber@slinky.cs.nyu.edu > | |_| | (_) \__ \ __/ |_) | | | | http://haven.ios.com/~likud/steinber/ > \___/ \___/|___/\___| .__/|_| |_| +1-201-833-9674 > |_| > > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Tue Jul 18 14:49:19 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de: /usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 03:24:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA28694 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:24:55 -0700 Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA28658 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:24:25 -0700 Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (root@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id NAA14971 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:29:50 +0300 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA15070 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:11:00 +0300 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.9) id MAA25371; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:10:58 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199508020910.MAA25371@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Using freeBSD on High-end P5/PCI/FW-SCSI2 P.C. To: rsi@garply.com (ResearchSouth) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:10:57 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508012149.AA00416@foo.garply.com> from "ResearchSouth" at Aug 1, 95 04:49:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 648 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear William, # machine. I would appreciate any information you could provide on systems # which are definitely/definitely not supported by your current stable release # of freeBSD (2.1.1 ?) # I'll warn you about systems with Adaptec 7850 SCSI chip onboard. While 7870 is supported, 7850 is NOT; I know at least 2 people in Russia who have this trouble and dissapointment, and they didn't get any creative responce. # # Sincerely # # # # # William A. Mahaffey III # -- With best wishes -- Andrew Stesin, Elvisti.Kiev.UA sysadmin. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 03:35:08 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA29604 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:35:08 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA29592 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:35:00 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA00231; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:34:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA00502; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:35:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021035.DAA00502@corbin.Root.COM> To: "Andrew V. Stesin" cc: rsi@garply.com (ResearchSouth), questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using freeBSD on High-end P5/PCI/FW-SCSI2 P.C. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 95 12:10:57 +0300." <199508020910.MAA25371@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 03:35:16 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Dear William, > > ># machine. I would appreciate any information you could provide on systems ># which are definitely/definitely not supported by your current stable release ># of freeBSD (2.1.1 ?) ># > I'll warn you about systems with Adaptec 7850 SCSI chip > onboard. While 7870 is supported, 7850 is NOT; > I know at least 2 people in Russia who have this > trouble and dissapointment, and they didn't get > any creative responce. Actually, support for the 7850 was added on June 4th, and should work in the latest 2.1 snapshot. Justin would know better of course. -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 03:46:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA00467 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:46:51 -0700 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA00167 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:42:06 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HTLIZQE48G005SBW@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 02 Aug 1995 12:29:07 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA13768; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:43:18 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 12:43:18 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: Any one got ghostview work? In-reply-to: <"7195 Thu Jul 27 15:43:50 1995"@bnr.ca> from "bo" at Jul 27, 95 03:42:00 pm To: xiao@bnr.ca (bo) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199508021043.MAA13768@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 949 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Hi, > > I have tried both the package and the port of ghostview, no luck. > Compile of ghostscript and ghostview reports no error. Firing up > is fine but gv does not response to my clicks. Giving the ps file > in command line yields: > > Can't find initialization file gs_init.ps. > Error: PostScript interpreter failed in main window. > > Alone the same line, xdvi crashes my X server. :( > > Anybody has a clue? Thanks. Did you cd /usr/ports/print/ghostscript; make ; make install? And the same for ghostview? It looks like ghostscript isn't properly installed. There should be a /usr/local/lib/ghostscript where among other stuff the said file gs_init.ps should be located. > > Bo > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Tue Jul 18 14:49:19 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de: /usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 03:52:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA00847 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:52:45 -0700 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA00645 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 03:48:59 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HTLJ4L9XJK005SQJ@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 02 Aug 1995 12:33:02 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id MAA13796; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:46:51 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 12:46:50 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: Win95 and FreeBSD In-reply-to: from "Mike Kaylor" at Jul 27, 95 02:09:00 pm To: mkaylor@dna.metronet.com (Mike Kaylor) Cc: questions@FreeBSD.ORG Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199508021046.MAA13796@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 975 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk > > I have Win95 installed on sd0 and sd1. I want to install FreeBSD on sd2. > All are SCSI drives. It does the install fine, but it didn't install the > boot manager. There might have been a mistake on my part but Win95 has a > modified fat and I think that might be the problem. Get OSBS2BETA.EXE (something like that) and install it under Win95 or from a bootable DOS diskette. It allows you to boot alternate disk drives. > > Can you please help me? I really would like to run FreeBSD on my home PC > but yet I don't want to give up the Win95 either. > > Thanks, Mike Kaylor > > mkaylor@dna.metronet.com > or > sargo@metronet.com > > > > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Tue Jul 18 14:49:19 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de: /usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 05:36:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA07065 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 05:36:14 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA07058 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 05:36:12 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA03141; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:38:38 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199508021238.IAA03141@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: Password aging in FreeBSD To: ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508020259.TAA26113@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Aug 2, 95 10:49:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 327 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, > > I just wonder if there is password aging feature in the work, or > some add-on program can do the trick. Yes, it does work ... If some1 is paranoid enough , he/she modify sources of login not to allow the login in case if the user fails to change the password in the process of the login . > Rashid From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 06:29:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA09081 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:29:22 -0700 Received: from ix4.ix.netcom.com (ix4.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09075 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:29:21 -0700 Received: from by ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id GAA21145; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:26:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:26:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021326.GAA21145@ix4.ix.netcom.com> From: perilous@ix.netcom.com (William Harrison) Subject: imap pop To: questions@freebsd.org Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have been looking for a compiled version of imap and pop mail software for my FreeBSD system. I have looked through ftp.freebsd.org files. If it is there does anyone know the name of it? Bill From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 06:42:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA09568 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:42:21 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA09562 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 06:42:17 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id JAA05179; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:34:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:34:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "Don's FList drop" To: questions Subject: Anyone ported a MUD to FreeBSD 2.0.5? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I was suprised to find that there was no MUD or MOO in the games or networking directories of the ports tree. Can anyone reccomend one that will compile with little modification? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 07:04:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA10184 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:04:57 -0700 Received: from irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de (irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de [141.76.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA10085 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:01:36 -0700 Received: from sax.sax.de by irz301.inf.tu-dresden.de with SMTP (5.67b+/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03464; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:57:53 +0200 Received: from ndf.UUCP by sax.sax.de (8.6.12/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id PAA01242 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:57:52 +0200 Received: from ndf.UUCP by theatre.pandora.sax.de (8.6.11/8.6.12-s1) with UUCP id MAA17595 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:31:58 +0200 Received: by ndf.pandora.sax.de (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Wed, 02 Aug 95 09:33:43 +0100 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: nerle@ndf.pandora.sax.de (Dirk Nerling) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 09:33:43 +0100 Message-Id: <363HwAULBh107h@ndf.pandora.sax.de> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: IPFW FAQ Organization: Nerle-Soft X-Mailer: Helldiver 1.07 (Waffle 1.65) Lines: 16 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello I m trying to install a Firewall based on FreeBSD 2.0.5. The gernerell things like kernel configuration are clear. Now I have to change the permissions and I'm confused from TFM. There isn't enough stuff to understand all (IMHO). There is also mentioned a ipfw.faq. Unfortunately I can't find the faq. (I looked at the CD 2.0.5 and www.freebsd.org). Please give me a hint! Best regards Dirk Nerling -- Dirk Nerling phone: +49-36202-90251 E-mail Internet: nerle@ndf.pandora.sax.de From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 07:35:09 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA11082 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:35:09 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11063 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:34:57 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA18737; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:34:28 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:34:28 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508021434.AA18737@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: nik@blueberry.co.uk (Nik Clayton), questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems In-Reply-To: <9508012336.AA05600@cs.weber.edu> References: <199508011308.NAA01479@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> <9508012336.AA05600@cs.weber.edu> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk < There's already an interface to lookup by name; the missing piece is > is passing a name instead of a constant over the mount layer and some > changes to table lookup, organization, and dead entry identification. I do not believe that there is any valid reason to do this, which is why I didn't implement it that way. > Really, it wants file systems to be described with a flags descriptor > so that you can know whether a file system is local or remote Which we have and do set as appropriate. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 07:49:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA11783 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:49:05 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA11772 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:49:02 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021449.HAA11772@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: "Andrew V. Stesin" cc: rsi@garply.com (ResearchSouth), questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using freeBSD on High-end P5/PCI/FW-SCSI2 P.C. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 95 12:10:57 +0300." <199508020910.MAA25371@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 07:49:01 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Dear William, > > I'll warn you about systems with Adaptec 7850 SCSI chip > onboard. While 7870 is supported, 7850 is NOT; > I know at least 2 people in Russia who have this > trouble and dissapointment, and they didn't get > any creative responce. Unfortunately, without 7850 hardware to test against, it may be some time before 7850 support works in FreeBSD. >-- > > With best wishes -- Andrew Stesin, Elvisti.Kiev.UA sysadmin. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 07:53:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA12108 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:53:21 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA12098 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 07:53:17 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021453.HAA12098@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: davidg@root.com cc: "Andrew V. Stesin" , rsi@garply.com (ResearchSouth), questions@freebsd.org, hardware@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Using freeBSD on High-end P5/PCI/FW-SCSI2 P.C. In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 95 03:35:16 PDT." <199508021035.DAA00502@corbin.Root.COM> Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 07:53:16 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>Dear William, >> >> >># machine. I would appreciate any information you could provide on systems >># which are definitely/definitely not supported by your current stable releas >e >># of freeBSD (2.1.1 ?) >># >> I'll warn you about systems with Adaptec 7850 SCSI chip >> onboard. While 7870 is supported, 7850 is NOT; >> I know at least 2 people in Russia who have this >> trouble and dissapointment, and they didn't get >> any creative responce. > > Actually, support for the 7850 was added on June 4th, and should work in >the latest 2.1 snapshot. Justin would know better of course. > >-DG According to some people I've talked to, it still doesn't work quite right, but I haven't gotten any usefull debugging info back from people. -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 08:18:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA13284 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:18:06 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA13278 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:18:02 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA00589; Wed, 2 Aug 95 15:17:58 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA20090; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:17:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:17:56 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9508021517.AA20090@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Cc: steinber@slinky.cs.nyu.edu, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508021009.MAA13696@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Christoph Kukulies on Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:09:04 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: PLEASE help -- lpr Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph Kukulies writes: >> There has to be someone out there who is using a PS >> printer. Please send me a copy of your /etc/printcap file. I am. Christoph> Could it be that you need a filter that converts plain Christoph> (unix style EOL) to in case you're Christoph> printing ascii files? For a PostScript printer, CR/LF translation won't affect ANYTHING. Christoph> I had this problem with a HP laserjetIII. I've written Christoph> a litte C program that inserted a CR everytime a LF was Christoph> found and made that to an entry in /etc/printcap: Surely there're easier ways than a little C program ... say, translation on the tty port (assuming a serial port), or ``tr''? Joseph: back to the problem with the HP LaserJet 4 with PostScript. I thought I already sent you a copy of my /etc/printcap and my PS output filter. If you didn't receive them, let me know. If you did receive them and they're not working, let me know. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think I've forgotten this before. -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 08:19:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA13404 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:19:37 -0700 Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA13178 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:14:06 -0700 Received: from blasuarr.cs.tu-berlin.de (uwp@blasuarr.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.18.38]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id RAA27143 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:13:07 +0200 From: Udo Wolter Received: (uwp@localhost) by blasuarr.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.6.12/8.6.6) id RAA03066 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:13:04 +0200 Message-Id: <199508021513.RAA03066@blasuarr.cs.tu-berlin.de> Subject: Switches/Jumpers on a NE2000 clone ? To: questions@freebsd.org (freebsd) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:13:03 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi ! I bought a cheap NE2000 clone (8bit card) without documentation and software. Now I want to know, how the bar with the switches must be configured and how to configure the 4 bars with the jumpers. 2 Jumper bars are for DMA/IRQ (both 8 jumpers). But the rest ? Also, I never installed such a card. The manual told me that I have to configure the card as ed0. ed1 would be another card ? What else I have to do ? ifconfig ? arp ? By the way, I want to make my own terminators, can anybody help me with the specifications of a BNC-ether-terminator ? How many ohms ? Thanx a lot ! Bye, Udo P.S.: I only found ONE newsgroup in the USENET (comp.dcom.lans.ethernet), is there anything similar in german ? Because there came nothing back, I tried it here. I hope you're not too angry about it. :-) -- Udo Wolter, email: uwp@cs.tu-berlin.de & uwp@hydmech.fb12.tu-berlin.de, www: http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~uwp/ !!! NEW: LOW-TECH Page: http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~uwp/low-tech.html !!! From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 08:24:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA13667 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:24:16 -0700 Received: from elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (elf.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.150.122]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA13654 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:24:12 -0700 Received: (from freelist@localhost) by elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA05561; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:16:41 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:16:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Don's FList drop" To: questions Subject: Boca 16 HOWTO Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Someone indicated they'd like to see this document, so, in a massive effort to avoid Real Work, I typed out a rough draft. The Handbook Big Cheese is welcome to clean it up and include it, presuming it passes muster. Installing and enabling the Boca 16 with FreeBSD ------------------------------------------------ So you got yourself a Boca 16 port board or are thinking about it? The modifications to make it happen with FreeBSD are pretty straighforward, but you'll need certain things before you can Make it Happen: One, you either need the kernel sources installed so you can recompile the necessary options or you'll need someone else to compile it for you. The 2.0.5 default kernel does not come with multiport support enabled and you'll need to add a device entry for each port anyways. Two, you'll need to know the interrupt and IO setting for your Boca Board so you can set these options properly in the kernel. One important note - the actual UART chips for the Boca 16 are in the connector box, not on the internal board itself. So if you have it unplugged, probes of those ports will fail. I've never tested booting with the box unplugged and plugging it back in, and I suggest you don't either. Make it Happen -------------- If you don't already have a custom kernel configuration file set up, follow the instructions in the FAQ or handbook on doing so. I strongly advise you to refer to it, but the basics are: (from the FAQ) cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf cp GENERIC MYKERNEL vi MYKERNEL (this is the point where you make the changes indicated) config MYKERNEL cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL make all make install reboot Actual Kernel Changes --------------------- The following presumes you're using the kernel name MYKERNEL and editing with vi. In the configuration file, you need to make the following changes: add the line "options COM_MULTIPORT" where the current "device sio xxx" lines are, you'll need to add _16_ devices. Only the last device includes the interrupt vector for the board. (See man sio for detail as to why) In my kernel, the devices are as follows: device sio1 at isa? port 0x100 tty flags 0x1005 device sio2 at isa? port 0x108 tty flags 0x1005 device sio3 at isa? port 0x110 tty flags 0x1005 device sio4 at isa? port 0x118 tty flags 0x1005 ... device sio15 at isa? port 0x170 tty flags 0x1005 device sio16 at isa? port 0x178 tty flags 0x1005 irq 3 vector siointr The configuration of my Boca Board is interrupt 3, IO port address 100h. Each port is +8h from the previous port, thus the 100h,108h,110h... addresses. The flags entry _must_ be changed from this example unless you are using the exact same sio assignments. Flags are set according to 0xMYY where M indicates the minor number of the master port (the last port on a Boca 16) and YY indicates if FIFO is enabled or disabled(enabled), IRQ sharing is used(yes) and if there is an AST/4 compatible IRQ control register(no). In this example, flags 0x1005 indicates that the master port is sio16. If I added another board and assigned sio17 through sio28, the flags for all 16 ports on _that_ board would be 0x1C05, where 1C indicates the minor number of the master port. Do not change the 05 setting. Save and complete the kernel compilation and install process. After compile, install and reboot --------------------------------- Presuming you have successfully installed the recompiled kernel and have it set to the correct address and IRQ, your boot message should indicate the successful probe of the Boca ports as follows: (obviously the sio numbers, IO and IRQ may be different) sio1 at 0x100-0x107 flags 0x1005 on isa sio1: type 16550A (multiport) sio2 at 0x108-0x10f flags 0x1005 on isa sio2: type 16550A (multiport) sio3 at 0x110-0x117 flags 0x1005 on isa sio3: type 16550A (multiport) sio4 at 0x118-0x11f flags 0x1005 on isa sio4: type 16550A (multiport) sio5 at 0x120-0x127 flags 0x1005 on isa sio5: type 16550A (multiport) sio6 at 0x128-0x12f flags 0x1005 on isa sio6: type 16550A (multiport) sio7 at 0x130-0x137 flags 0x1005 on isa sio7: type 16550A (multiport) sio8 at 0x138-0x13f flags 0x1005 on isa sio8: type 16550A (multiport) sio9 at 0x140-0x147 flags 0x1005 on isa sio9: type 16550A (multiport) sio10 at 0x148-0x14f flags 0x1005 on isa sio10: type 16550A (multiport) sio11 at 0x150-0x157 flags 0x1005 on isa sio11: type 16550A (multiport) sio12 at 0x158-0x15f flags 0x1005 on isa sio12: type 16550A (multiport) sio13 at 0x160-0x167 flags 0x1005 on isa sio13: type 16550A (multiport) sio14 at 0x168-0x16f flags 0x1005 on isa sio14: type 16550A (multiport) sio15 at 0x170-0x177 flags 0x1005 on isa sio15: type 16550A (multiport) sio16 at 0x178-0x17f irq 3 flags 0x1005 on isa sio16: type 16550A (multiport master) If the messages go by too fast to see, dmesg > more will show you the boot messages Making the devices ------------------ If you've ever used the MAKEDEV script, this will be a cinch. If you've never used the MAKEDEV script, this will be a cinch. I'm sure some bright person could do a script off the top of their head to create all 16 devices, but the slow-and-stupid way (ie - my way) is to su root cd /dev ./MAKEDEV tty1 ./MAKEDEV cua1 .. (everything inbetween) ./MAKEDEV ttyg ./MAKEDEV cuag If you don't want/need callout devices for some reason, you can dispense with making the cua* devices. You're Done ----------- That's all folks. If you want a quick and sloppy way to make sure the devices are working, you can simply plug a modem into each port and (as root) echo at > ttyd* for each device you have made. You _should_ see the RX lights flash for each working port. It's cheesy, but it's quick. Check the FAQ for information on setting up dialin and out, and good luck! Don Whiteside whiteside@acm.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 08:39:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA14422 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:39:14 -0700 Received: from mercury.unt.edu (mercury.unt.edu [129.120.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA14416 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:39:11 -0700 Received: from gab.unt.edu by mercury.unt.edu with SMTP id AA00383 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:38:58 -0500 Received: from GAB/SpoolDir by gab.unt.edu (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 95 10:39:04 CST6CDT Received: from SpoolDir by GAB (Mercury 1.13); Wed, 2 Aug 95 10:38:44 CST6CDT From: "John Booth" Organization: University of North Texas To: "Don's FList drop" Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:38:41 CST6CDT Subject: Re: Anyone ported a MUD to FreeBSD 2.0.5? Cc: questions@freebsd.org X-Confirm-Reading-To: "John Booth" X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-Id: <28F48512AA@gab.unt.edu> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I was suprised to find that there was no MUD or MOO in the games or > networking directories of the ports tree. Can anyone reccomend one that > will compile with little modification? Merc 2.3 compiles right out of archive, Circle 3.0b did with little or no trouble, LPMud should compile fine as well. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- College of Arts & Sciences Computing Services John A. Booth, john@gab.unt.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 08:52:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA14984 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:52:48 -0700 Received: from campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (campino.Informatik.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.225.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA14968 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 08:52:19 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by campino.informatik.rwth-aachen.de (4.1/campino-8) id AA22988; Wed, 2 Aug 95 17:51:51 +0200 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id SAA14373; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:06:37 +0200 Message-Id: <199508021606.SAA14373@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> Subject: Re: PLEASE help -- lpr To: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:06:37 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) In-Reply-To: <9508021517.AA20090@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> from "Sean Kelly" at Aug 2, 95 09:17:56 am From: Christoph Kukulies Reply-To: Christoph Kukulies X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1895 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph Kukulies writes: > > >> There has to be someone out there who is using a PS > >> printer. Please send me a copy of your /etc/printcap file. > > I am. > > Christoph> Could it be that you need a filter that converts plain > Christoph> (unix style EOL) to in case you're > Christoph> printing ascii files? > > For a PostScript printer, CR/LF translation won't affect ANYTHING. I didn't say this. I said 'printing ascii files' - see above. I read very well that he could print PS well. But printing two long lines alone can move the 'cursor' of the printer out of the visible paper range and you end up with blank pages. That's what I observerd once with a HP LJET III. > > Christoph> I had this problem with a HP laserjetIII. I've written > Christoph> a litte C program that inserted a CR everytime a LF was > Christoph> found and made that to an entry in /etc/printcap: > > Surely there're easier ways than a little C program ... say, > translation on the tty port (assuming a serial port), or ``tr''? Most printers are connected to parallel ports these days. > > Joseph: back to the problem with the HP LaserJet 4 with PostScript. I > thought I already sent you a copy of my /etc/printcap and my PS output > filter. If you didn't receive them, let me know. If you did receive > them and they're not working, let me know. > > -- > Sean Kelly > NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA > > Right now I'm having amnesia and deja vu at the same time. I think > I've forgotten this before. -- Steven Wright > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Tue Jul 18 14:49:19 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de: /usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 09:03:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA15547 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:03:21 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA15540 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:03:19 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA01105; Wed, 2 Aug 95 16:03:18 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA20607; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:03:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:03:15 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9508021603.AA20607@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508021606.SAA14373@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> (message from Christoph Kukulies on Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:06:37 +0200 (MET DST)) Subject: Re: PLEASE help -- lpr Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Christoph" == Christoph Kukulies writes: >> For a PostScript printer, CR/LF translation won't affect >> ANYTHING. Christoph> I didn't say this. I said 'printing ascii files' - see Christoph> above. Ooops, sorry. Itchy R-key finger. Christoph> Most printers are connected to parallel ports these Christoph> days. Unfortunate, as PostScript talks back to spooler host, and our current lpt driver doesn't allow two-way ``Bitronics'' communication. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA There was a power outage at a department store yesterday. Twenty people were trapped on the escalators. -- Steven Wright From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 09:05:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA15732 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:05:36 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA15722 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:05:35 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199508021605.JAA15722@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: iBCS SCO status, Locus Merge To: paul@FreeBSD.org Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:05:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: owensc@alpha.enc.edu, freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.org In-Reply-To: <199508011309.OAA04364@server.netcraft.co.uk> from "Paul Richards" at Aug 1, 95 02:09:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 922 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Anyway, anyone got any experience with running commercial databases under > FreeBSD. Someone here wants to run a database and is willing to buy > a commercial product so I'm trying to find out if anyone's got any reports > of using anything succesffully. > > -- > Paul Richards, Bluebird Computer Systems. FreeBSD core team member. > Internet: paul@FreeBSD.org, http://www.freebsd.org/~paul > Phone: 0370 462071 (Mobile), +44 1222 457651 (home) > Hi, Well right now, I'm trying to track down the ioctl that FoxPro requires and that we don't support. I need fox pro!! I just can't find the paper with the errors on it...:) Gary -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/Text/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 09:07:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA15861 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:07:16 -0700 Received: from ix7.ix.netcom.com (ix7.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA15855 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:07:13 -0700 Received: from by ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id JAA29141; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:04:50 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:04:50 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021604.JAA29141@ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: fadorno@ix.netcom.com (Fred Adorno ) Subject: Installation of Printer To: questions@freebsd.org Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do I get freebsd to recognize my epson actionlaser 1500 on lpt1? From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 09:23:15 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA16390 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:23:15 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA16383 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 09:23:13 -0700 Received: from cps201 (cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA16160; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:22:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:22:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps201 To: Chris Madison cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: Pentiums and FreeBSD! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Chris Madison wrote: > Hi all! > > I finally have saved enough $ to purchase my dream machine (well > actually just enough to get a good start:-) ); my ancient 386 is > just getting to old. > > I am looking for a Pentium mb that is known to work with FreeBSD, > with external and internal cache working. I am looking for > one in the 100 - 120Mhz range, with a min of 8M RAM, 256k cache and > the latest and greatest chipset. I'm not really worried about having > all the KEWL addons because I know what I want in that area (and those > will have to wait until after a few more saving binges!). However, if > an off the shelf system works great then I will consider one of those too. > > Any feedback would greatly be appreciated. > I can send you a part list of equipment that I will run 50 hour burn in ons under FreeBSD... If you want it let me know at this mail address mbailey@misha.net Thanks Matthew S. Bailey Journey Communications and JC Computers From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 10:18:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA17656 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:18:54 -0700 Received: from ix6.ix.netcom.com (ix6.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17650 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:18:53 -0700 Received: from ix-jac1-12.ix.netcom.com by ix6.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA16818; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:16:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021716.KAA16818@ix6.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: e.knight@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 13:23:39 -0400 To: questions@freebsd.org From: e.knight@ix.netcom.com (Edward F. Knight) Subject: printcap for HP DeskJet 310/312 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Can anyone supply or direct me to a printcap for an HP DeskJet printer? Thanks, Ted e.knight@ix.netcom.com From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 10:29:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA17984 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:29:11 -0700 Received: from io.org (io.org [142.77.70.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA17978 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:29:09 -0700 Received: from trepan.io.org (apollo@trepan.io.org [198.133.36.8]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA05243 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:29:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:29:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Herdman To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have a 486dx2/66 with 32 Megs of ram, and a 32 meg swap partition. When I was using 2.0 (CD) i rarely ever went into swap. I could make a port, and run netscape under X and still not hit swap. Now with 2.0.5, it seems very eager to start swaping. In fact, with the above, it goes into 45% or more swap. This sucks to say the least. My machine is trashing big time when this happens. Is anyone familiar with this? Is there a fix? I know swaping was changed in 2.0.5, but I heard it was for the better, not the worse..... Any suggestions, comments, are most welcome. Andrew P.s. If anyone could actually tell me how to figure out how much memory a process is really using i'd like to know that too. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 10:37:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA18416 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:37:35 -0700 Received: from kudu.ru.ac.za (kudu.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA18388 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:36:59 -0700 Received: from aau.UUCP by kudu.ru.ac.za with UUCP (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sdhiF-000CPsC; Wed, 2 Aug 95 19:36 EET Message-Id: Received: from aau by aau.org (UUPC/extended 1.12k) with UUCP for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 02 Aug 1995 17:30:45 -0400 From: AAU System Operator To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:30:44 GMT Subject: lost root password... please help Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dear Friends at FreeBSD.ORG: We have been running a DOS-based UUCP facility (UUPC/extended) for dial- up e-mail access for a year and a half now, and are all set to upgrade to a full FreeBSD Unix based system in the next week. Unfortunately for us (and me, especially) after receiving much help from some friends in South Africa in setting up FreeBSD 2.0.5, and almost getting set to link the FreeBSD server on the same ethernet to our NetWare 3.12 fileserver, I forgot my ROOT user password! Very silly of me, at least I should have written it down somewhere, but I thought I knew it so off-hand. But I think I forgot because I have been working lately on setting up the Mercury SMTP mail transport system on the Novell server (where I have a different Supervisor's passwd) and have not come near the FreeBSD server for a couple of days now. Now I need to make some changes on certain crucial files (accessible only to root) on the BSD to make Mercury recognize and pass mail to it from the Novell server and, poor me, I cannot remember my password anymore!!! Please help. I am a novice on Unix and this is my first time at working at it, but I am ambitious and have some excellent O'reilly books to get me off to a good start, so I'll be happy to try any instruction you may have for me. Following is a clip from my /etc/passwd. I hear that there are special programs than could parse such info and try to get the actual passwd from them: root:*:0:0:Charlie &:/root:/bin/csh toor:*:0:0:Bourne-again Superuser:/root: daemon:*:1:31:Owner of many system processes:/root: operator:*:2:20:System &:/usr/guest/operator:/bin/csh bin:*:3:7:Binaries Commands & Source,,,:/:/nonexistent . . . jbp:*:1000:20:John Bart-Plange:/usr/home/jbp:/bin/csh jbp is my personal user account on the system and along with another user account: sysop, I am able to log into the system using passwd Jebby123 from both of these accounts. And you know what, friends? I have a deadline to finish this setup by next Monday, August 7! There is an important upcoming meeting of the AAU (pls. see my signature), and there is going to be a demo for the VCs, and I daren't fail! Thank you all very much indeed for any help that you can offer. Best regards, John PS: How wonderful it would be if I could hear from you by tomorrow, Thursday, August 3! Not trying to be pushy, but I am in a fix! Yeah, also is a way by which I could boot FreeBSD from floppy as a single user and access the system from there? Ie. mount the HD onto a directory and do some funny things from there? Anyway, please help -- John Bart-Plange Email: sysop@aau.org Network System Operator Tel.: (233-21) 774495 Association of African Universities Fax.: (233-21) 774821 P.O. Box 5744, Accra-North, GHANA Tlx.: 2284 ADUA GH From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 10:54:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA18941 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:54:06 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA18932 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:54:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199508021754.KAA18932@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: AAU System Operator cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: lost root password... please help In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 95 17:30:44 GMT." Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 10:54:03 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Dear Friends at FreeBSD.ORG: > ... Boot the system with the "-s" boot flag. This will drop you into single user where you can reset the root password. >-- >John Bart-Plange Email: sysop@aau.org >Network System Operator Tel.: (233-21) 774495 >Association of African Universities Fax.: (233-21) 774821 >P.O. Box 5744, Accra-North, GHANA Tlx.: 2284 ADUA GH -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 10:55:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA19014 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:55:35 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA19004 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:55:35 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508021755.KAA19004@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: apollo@io.org (Andrew Herdman) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 10:55:34 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "Andrew Herdman" at Aug 2, 95 01:29:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1555 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have a 486dx2/66 with 32 Megs of ram, and a 32 meg swap partition. > When I was using 2.0 (CD) i rarely ever went into swap. I could make a > port, and run netscape under X and still not hit swap. > > Now with 2.0.5, it seems very eager to start swaping. In fact, with the > above, it goes into 45% or more swap. This sucks to say the least. My > machine is trashing big time when this happens. Is anyone familiar with > this? Is there a fix? I know swaping was changed in 2.0.5, but I heard > it was for the better, not the worse..... > > Any suggestions, comments, are most welcome. > Since both the kernel and the user-land has changed, it is difficult for a user to be able to determine where the problem is. The kernel itself does swap better. There are some very limited cases where it *might* be worse on 2.0.5, but I don't think that you are exercising those mechanisms. Probably the reason that you are seeing more paging is because the X server appears to grow bigger than it used to. This can be because of changes in X clients, changes in the system (user-land) malloc, or changes in the X-server itself. The current resident size of any given process can be obtained by using the ps command and looking at the RSS field. The RSS field only accounts for the pages that are currently mapped into the process and ignores any aspect of sharing or pages on disk. The VSZ field might be educational for you... It *does* get big for XFree V3.1.1 under 2.0.5 (and other OSes like Linux also). John dyson@freebsd.org From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 11:03:24 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA21122 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:03:24 -0700 Received: from io.org (io.org [142.77.70.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA21115 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:03:20 -0700 Received: from trepan.io.org (apollo@trepan.io.org [198.133.36.8]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA10497; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:58:08 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:58:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Herdman To: AAU System Operator cc: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: lost root password... please help In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, AAU System Operator wrote: > Dear Friends at FreeBSD.ORG: > > We have been running a DOS-based UUCP facility (UUPC/extended) for dial- > up e-mail access for a year and a half now, and are all set to upgrade to > a full FreeBSD Unix based system in the next week. > > Unfortunately for us (and me, especially) after receiving much help from > some friends in South Africa in setting up FreeBSD 2.0.5, and almost > getting set to link the FreeBSD server on the same ethernet to our NetWare > 3.12 fileserver, I forgot my ROOT user password! Very silly of me, at > least I should have written it down somewhere, but I thought I knew it so > off-hand. But I think I forgot because I have been working lately on > setting up the Mercury SMTP mail transport system on the Novell server > (where I have a different Supervisor's passwd) and have not come near the > FreeBSD server for a couple of days now. > > Now I need to make some changes on certain crucial files (accessible only > to root) on the BSD to make Mercury recognize and pass mail to it from the > Novell server and, poor me, I cannot remember my password anymore!!! > > Please help. I am a novice on Unix and this is my first time at working > at it, but I am ambitious and have some excellent O'reilly books to get me > off to a good start, so I'll be happy to try any instruction you may have > for me. When booting the freebsd machine, it waits for a bit before it loads the kernel. Type /kernel -s which will boot you in single user mode (no passwords) then type 'passwd root' to change the root password. Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 11:43:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA24283 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:43:03 -0700 Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA24277 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:43:02 -0700 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02451; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:28:37 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199508021828.LAA02451@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: Any one got ghostview work? To: kuku@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:28:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: xiao@bnr.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508021043.MAA13768@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> from "Christoph Kukulies" at Aug 2, 95 12:43:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 462 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > I have tried both the package and the port of ghostview, no luck. > > Compile of ghostscript and ghostview reports no error. Firing up > > is fine but gv does not response to my clicks. Giving the ps file > > in command line yields: For what it's worth, I'm running 2.0.5-R and I installed the packages (using pkg_add) for ghostscript and ghostview (in that order) and it works fine... maybe try cleaning up and reinstalling? Just a data point. -Archie From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 11:48:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA24508 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:48:56 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA24500 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 11:48:52 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa14914; 2 Aug 95 19:05 +0100 Received: from lindhard.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa21504; 2 Aug 95 19:05 +0100 Received: (from mark@localhost) by lindhard.demon.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.12) id RAA04942 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:06:29 +0100 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:06:29 +0100 From: Mark Bowyer Message-Id: <199508021606.RAA04942@lindhard.demon.co.uk> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NIS/YP test using localhost? Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I'm trying to test out NIS/YP on FreeBSD 2.0.5-950622-SNAP using localhost. However, I can't seem to get things working: The daemons running are: schiott# ps xag|grep yp 68 ?? IW 0:00.03 yppasswdd -m /var/yp/master.passwd -s -f 466 ?? Is 1:07.11 ypserv 548 ?? Is 0:05.99 ypbind -ypset I now tell ypbind to use localhost: schiott# ypset localhost I have one entry the NIS/YP passwd file: schiott# cat /var/yp/master.passwd test:xxxyyy:10009:10001::0:0:Schiott Test:/tmp:/bin/sh Build the NIS/YP database: schiott# cd /var/yp; make Add/check for the special last line in the main passwd file: schiott# tail -1 /etc/master.passwd +:*:0:0::0:0::: Now check whether ypmatch works: schiott# ypmatch test passwd test:xxxyyy:10009:10001:Schiott Test:/tmp:/bin/sh it does, OK, now try connecting to localhost: schiott% telnet localhost Trying 127.0.0.1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. FreeBSD (schiott) (ttyp2) login: test Password: xxxyyy Login incorrect login: Connection closed by foreign host. This fails, (yppasswd also fails to accept the old passwd) The output from ypserv -debug seems OK: [Welcome to the NYS YP Server, version 0.13] ypproc_domain_nonack("home-nis") [From: 201.202.203.2:1175] -> OK. ypproc_order_2_svc(): [From: 201.202.203.2:977] domain = "home-nis" map = "master.passwd.byname" -> Order # 807224341 ypproc_match(): [From: 201.202.203.2:978] domainname = "home-nis" mapname = "master.passwd.byname" keydat = "test" -> Value = "test:xxxyyy:10009:10001::0:0:Schiott Test:/tmp:/bin/sh" -- What's up? Anyone got this sort of thing working? Cheers, Mark. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 12:10:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA25294 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:10:19 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA25288 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:10:17 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA08806; Wed, 2 Aug 95 13:02:55 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9508021902.AA08806@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 13:02:55 MDT Cc: nik@blueberry.co.uk, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508021434.AA18737@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Aug 2, 95 10:34:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > There's already an interface to lookup by name; the missing piece is > > is passing a name instead of a constant over the mount layer and some > > changes to table lookup, organization, and dead entry identification. > > I do not believe that there is any valid reason to do this, which is > why I didn't implement it that way. So i can add frogfs to the kernel and mount a frogfs file system without having to recompile my kernel or modify system header files. I thought this was obvious. If nothing else, it is a necessary step towards support of user space file system development, unless you have a kernel source level debugger and have been holding out on us. > > Really, it wants file systems to be described with a flags descriptor > > so that you can know whether a file system is local or remote > > Which we have and do set as appropriate. Prior to root mount, and in all cases? I was looking for this for a kernel SAMBA FS and didn't see it. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 12:16:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA25642 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:16:59 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA25636 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:16:58 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA19154; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:16:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:16:39 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508021916.AA19154@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Mark Bowyer Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: NIS/YP test using localhost? In-Reply-To: <199508021606.RAA04942@lindhard.demon.co.uk> References: <199508021606.RAA04942@lindhard.demon.co.uk> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk < said: > schiott# tail -1 /etc/master.passwd > +:*:0:0::0:0::: No. What you have specified is: Enable all yp passwd map entries Override the password with `*' Override the uid with 0 Override the gid with 0 Override the expiration time with 0 Override the password change time with 0 What you want is: +::::::::: Which means: Enable all yp passwd map entries -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 12:20:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA25804 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:20:52 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA25797 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:20:50 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA19166; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:20:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:20:45 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508021920.AA19166@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems In-Reply-To: <9508021902.AA08806@cs.weber.edu> References: <9508021434.AA18737@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <9508021902.AA08806@cs.weber.edu> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk <> I do not believe that there is any valid reason to do this, which is >> why I didn't implement it that way. > So i can add frogfs to the kernel and mount a frogfs file system without > having to recompile my kernel or modify system header files. Right, you can indeed do that now. >> > Really, it wants file systems to be described with a flags descriptor >> > so that you can know whether a file system is local or remote >> >> Which we have and do set as appropriate. > Prior to root mount, and in all cases? Yes. It's in the vfsconf structure's `flags' field; the flag is called VFCF_NETWORK. There are also flags for statically-loaded filesystems (VFCF_STATIC), read-only filesystems (VFCF_READONLY), synthetic filesystems with no physical backing like procfs and kernfs (VFCF_SYNTHETIC), and loopbacks (VFCF_LOOPBACK). -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 12:25:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA26051 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:25:16 -0700 Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA26033 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:24:49 -0700 Received: from gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V4.3-10 #7297) id <01HTM1OXEJRK005UGS@mail.rwth-aachen.de>; Wed, 02 Aug 1995 21:24:49 +0100 Received: (from kuku@localhost) by gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de (8.6.8/8.6.9) id VAA14762; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:39:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 21:39:04 +0200 (MET DST) From: Christoph Kukulies Subject: Re: Any one got ghostview work? In-reply-to: <199508021828.LAA02451@bubba.tribe.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Aug 2, 95 11:28:37 am To: archie@bubba.tribe.com (Archie Cobbs) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com (user alias) Reply-to: Christoph Kukulies Message-id: <199508021939.VAA14762@gilberto.physik.rwth-aachen.de> X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-type: text Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-length: 1007 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > > I have tried both the package and the port of ghostview, no luck. > > > Compile of ghostscript and ghostview reports no error. Firing up > > > is fine but gv does not response to my clicks. Giving the ps file > > > in command line yields: > > For what it's worth, I'm running 2.0.5-R and I installed the > packages (using pkg_add) for ghostscript and ghostview (in that > order) and it works fine... maybe try cleaning up and reinstalling? > Just a data point. Did you change the ServerNumLock entry resp. switch the Numlock key? Is it the menues that do not work? Do they work when you click *and* move the mouse with the button held down? I saw this behaviour occasionally (buttons only working with click+mouse movement). > > -Archie > > --Chris Christoph P. U. Kukulies kuku@gil.physik.rwth-aachen.de FreeBSD blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de 2.2-CURRENT FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Tue Jul 18 14:49:19 MET DST 1995 kuku@blues.physik.rwth-aachen.de: /usr/src/sys/compile/BLUESGUS i386 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 12:50:30 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA26567 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:50:30 -0700 Received: from cithe502.cithep.caltech.edu (cithe502.cithep.caltech.edu [131.215.124.52]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA26561 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:50:29 -0700 Received: by cithe502.cithep.caltech.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA60021; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:50:12 -0700 From: shih@cithe502.cithep.caltech.edu (Ching Shih) Message-Id: <9508021950.AA60021@cithe502.cithep.caltech.edu> Subject: next release of FreeBSD To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:50:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 86 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I am using 2.0.5. Any words on when the next release will be out? Thanks! Ching From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 12:52:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA26623 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:52:21 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA26617 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 12:52:18 -0700 Received: from latte.eng.umd.edu (latte.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.15]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA17022 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:51:46 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by latte.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id PAA10099; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:51:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:51:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Making kernels Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having trouble getting a kernel to boot properly. Could someone with a VLB bus system, an Adaptec SCSI, and a minimal config file, please send me a copy? I HOPE that's my problem. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0R) and n3lxx (301) 220-2114 | (FreeBSD 2.0.5-snap) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 13:43:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA29007 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:43:19 -0700 Received: from nero.uucp (dialup-pkr-1-5.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA28982 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:43:07 -0700 Received: by nero.uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sdkah-0004JaC; Wed, 2 Aug 95 15:40 CDT Message-Id: From: serges@umr.edu Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:40:35 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199508021755.KAA19004@freefall.cdrom.com> from "John Dyson" at Aug 2, 95 10:55:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2832 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I have a 486dx2/66 with 32 Megs of ram, and a 32 meg swap partition. > > When I was using 2.0 (CD) i rarely ever went into swap. I could make a > > port, and run netscape under X and still not hit swap. > > > > Now with 2.0.5, it seems very eager to start swaping. In fact, with the > > above, it goes into 45% or more swap. This sucks to say the least. My > > machine is trashing big time when this happens. Is anyone familiar with > > this? Is there a fix? I know swaping was changed in 2.0.5, but I heard > > it was for the better, not the worse..... > > > > Any suggestions, comments, are most welcome. > > > > Since both the kernel and the user-land has changed, it is difficult for > a user to be able to determine where the problem is. The kernel itself > does swap better. There are some very limited cases where it *might* be > worse on 2.0.5, but I don't think that you are exercising those mechanisms. Well I dont know what those "mechanisms" are and I (unlike the original poster) cant compare 2.0.5 with a previous version of FreeBSD, but I can say that I experience excessive swapping on my system. I have a 486DX50 with 20 megs of core and ~20 megs of swap space. With a minimal X desktop with Netscape and 2 xterms running I can *easily* exhaust the virtual memory on my system! This is ofcourse, after running Netscape (or xv) for a long time (> 1hour continuous use). I usually have to kill the server and restart things. I can understand that the server grows, thanks to memory leaks in X11 itself, but I dont understand why the 2.0.5 system begins swapping *before* the core resources are even 50% in use. Coming from a SVR4 background on Intel machines, I find it a hassle to watch as all of my xterms slowly redraw themselves as they are swapped back in to core - after I briefly switch back from another application. And I dont think its solely the fault of the clients and their real or virtual sizes. I feels more like a scheduling design at fault here. But Im speaking as a user (of Unices on many different platforms), and not a kernel programmer. Serge serges@umr.edu -------------- > Probably the reason that you are seeing more paging is because the X server > appears to grow bigger than it used to. This can be because of changes > in X clients, changes in the system (user-land) malloc, or changes in the > X-server itself. > > The current resident size of any given process can be obtained by using > the ps command and looking at the RSS field. The RSS field only accounts > for the pages that are currently mapped into the process and ignores > any aspect of sharing or pages on disk. > > The VSZ field might be educational for you... It *does* get big for > XFree V3.1.1 under 2.0.5 (and other OSes like Linux also). > > John > dyson@freebsd.org > > From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 13:48:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA29325 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:48:07 -0700 Received: from ns.via.net (ns.via.net [140.174.204.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA29315 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:48:05 -0700 Received: (from joe@localhost) by ns.via.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA01741 for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:47:35 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 13:47:35 -0700 From: Joe McGuckin Message-Id: <199508022047.NAA01741@ns.via.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Telnet problem Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a machine on a subnet (mask is 255.255.255.224) that I want to use as a firewall. I can telnet into the machine from the internet ok, but other machines on the local exposed net or the internal net can't connect to the telnet daemon. I get: fw: {4} telnet fw Trying 205.162.31.34... Connected to fw.vcsnet.com. Escape character is '^]'. and it just hangs... Any suggestions? -joe From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 14:02:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA29996 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:02:12 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA29987 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:02:11 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01217; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:01:34 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA00999; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:02:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199508022102.OAA00999@corbin.Root.COM> To: serges@umr.edu cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 95 15:40:35 CDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 14:02:52 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >Well I dont know what those "mechanisms" are and I (unlike the original >poster) cant compare 2.0.5 with a previous version of FreeBSD, but I can >say that I experience excessive swapping on my system. I have a 486DX50 >with 20 megs of core and ~20 megs of swap space. With a minimal X >desktop with Netscape and 2 xterms running I can *easily* exhaust the virtual >memory on my system! This is ofcourse, after running Netscape (or xv) for >a long time (> 1hour continuous use). I usually have to kill the server >and restart things. I've seen xv grow to 10MB+ after extensive use. Since the X server + WM + xterms can easily take 14MB, it is not surprising that you can run out of swap sometimes. I think this much memory is excessive, but I don't really know what to do about it. Ironically, shared libraries are supposed to help this situation, but in FreeBSD they are so un-optimally ordered that applications wind up consuming as much memory as they would if built non-shared (static). The solution to this problem is to order the routines so that commonly used ones are all grouped together, and further group together related routines. This is difficult for two reasons: first, we don't have the statistics to know how to order the routines properly, and second, our library build procedure really doesn't allow for this. -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 14:03:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA00265 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:03:45 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA00254 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:03:43 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01230; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:03:07 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01014; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:04:25 -0700 Message-Id: <199508022104.OAA01014@corbin.Root.COM> To: Joe McGuckin cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Telnet problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 02 Aug 95 13:47:35 PDT." <199508022047.NAA01741@ns.via.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 14:04:25 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >I have a machine on a subnet (mask is 255.255.255.224) that I want to >use as a firewall. > >I can telnet into the machine from the internet ok, but other machines >on the local exposed net or the internal net can't connect to the >telnet daemon. > >I get: > > fw: {4} telnet fw > Trying 205.162.31.34... > Connected to fw.vcsnet.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > >and it just hangs... > >Any suggestions? This looks like a local nameserver problem. Telnetd is trying to do the host lookup and is hanging. After 2 minutes or so it should give up and proceed with "login:". -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 14:23:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA01136 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:23:17 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA01128 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:23:14 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA19365; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:22:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:22:54 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508022122.AA19365@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: davidg@root.com Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-Reply-To: <199508022102.OAA00999@corbin.Root.COM> References: <199508022102.OAA00999@corbin.Root.COM> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > to do about it. Ironically, shared libraries are supposed to help this > situation, but in FreeBSD they are so un-optimally ordered that applications > wind up consuming as much memory as they would if built non-shared (static). > The solution to this problem is to order the routines so that commonly used > ones are all grouped together, and further group together related routines. > This is difficult for two reasons: first, we don't have the statistics to know > how to order the routines properly, and second, our library build procedure > really doesn't allow for this. Actually, the same `lorder ${OBJS} | tsort' technique ought to have some beneficial effect. This doesn't group together commonly-used routines, but it does group modules near each other based on dependency. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 14:35:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA01637 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:35:50 -0700 Received: from kudu.ru.ac.za (kudu.ru.ac.za [146.231.128.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA01581 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 14:35:34 -0700 Received: from aau.UUCP by kudu.ru.ac.za with UUCP (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0sdlR1-000CQZC; Wed, 2 Aug 95 23:34 EET Message-Id: Received: from aau by aau.org (UUPC/extended 1.12k) with UUCP for questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 02 Aug 1995 21:29:52 -0400 From: AAU System Operator To: mlawrie@apies.frd.ac.za, ccdw@kudu.ru.ac.za, wsantee@wsantee.oz.net, dufault@hda.com, bugs@win.net, gibbs@freefall.cdrom.com, apollo@io.org, questions@freebsd.org Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:29:52 GMT Subject: Eureka!.... thanks to you all Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk My good friend in South Africa, Mike Lawrie, once told me when my employer was considering networking options, platforms and such: "When it comes to unix, don't go for the commercial stuff, go for the free stuff. And DON'T equate the word "free" with inferior. You are a thousand times more likely to receive better support from the free folks on the net than from any commercial vendors". My experience today has proved him right. Wow, believe me, within 10-15 minutes of sending my plea to QUESTIONS@FREEBSD.ORG, I began receiving answers! We have dial-up Internet access down here and for some strange this afternoon, my connection broke right after sending all our mail, so that mail did not come in. I was curious so I went to examine my log files and found that the connection was not clean--the line broke, so I forced the server to dial out immediately again. That was just after 10-15 mins. of the dial that sent my plea out. And then after this connection, I couldn't simply BELIEVE my eyes what I was reading from some of the earliest helpers! You won me. Count me among your friends in Ghana and Africa. I am MOST impressed, God bless and thanks. Sincerely, John PS: The problem is solved. -- John Bart-Plange Email: sysop@aau.org Network System Operator Tel.: (233-21) 774495 Association of African Universities Fax.: (233-21) 774821 P.O. Box 5744, Accra-North, GHANA Tlx.: 2284 ADUA GH From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 15:03:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA02600 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:03:59 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA02591 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:03:58 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508022203.PAA02591@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: serges@umr.edu Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "serges@umr.edu" at Aug 2, 95 03:40:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2949 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Well I dont know what those "mechanisms" are and I (unlike the original > poster) cant compare 2.0.5 with a previous version of FreeBSD, but I can > say that I experience excessive swapping on my system. I have a 486DX50 > with 20 megs of core and ~20 megs of swap space. With a minimal X > desktop with Netscape and 2 xterms running I can *easily* exhaust the virtual > memory on my system! This is ofcourse, after running Netscape (or xv) for > a long time (> 1hour continuous use). I usually have to kill the server > and restart things. > That is the *exact* problem that I have been talking about!!! It appears that you don't have enough swap space also. Add up the virtual space for all of your processes (esp the processes that there is only one running, like X) and you might find that you have more than 20MBs... You CAN run with less swap than RAM, but the system currently doesn't have code to make that as efficient as it could be. (Especially with long-lived processes like the X server, which then permanently takes the swap space until it exits (or deallocates RAM.)) At the point of filled swap space, the system will tend to page against .text too much. That might be modified in a future release. Also, as swap space gets filled, it becomes fragmented -- and that can slow things down also. > I can understand that the server grows, thanks to memory leaks in X11 > itself, but I dont understand why the 2.0.5 system begins swapping > *before* the core resources are even 50% in use. Coming from a SVR4 How do you know? When the Xserver has lots of sparse memory allocated, it can take a huge working set -- maybe :-). I have noticed that once I run one of those *evil* applications, my Xserver appears to almost permanently want more resident memory. That tells me that the resident set that it demands is much larger. Also, the swap space that it keeps is larger. (The OS really doesn't know that the memory is no longer needed unless the app frees it.) > background on Intel machines, I find it a hassle to watch as all of my > xterms slowly redraw themselves as they are swapped back in to core - > after I briefly switch back from another application. > I hate that too. > And I dont think its solely the fault of the clients and their real or > virtual sizes. I feels more like a scheduling design at fault here. But > Im speaking as a user (of Unices on many different platforms), and not a > kernel programmer. > It is 95% a working set problem, that no OS can easily solve. I am a user (and have been a kernel maintainer of SVR4) and can say that given the same client mixes and VM demands -- the FreeBSD VM is much faster. (I have benchmarked and compared carefully.) BTW, I don't want to give XFree a bumb rap -- it is really neat. It is just that it appears that part of the problem is that the FreeBSD malloc might be clashing with XFree??? John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 15:20:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA03278 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:20:04 -0700 Received: from sgiblab.sgi.com (sgiblab.SGI.COM [192.82.208.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA03247 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:19:55 -0700 Received: from kesa by sgiblab.sgi.com via UUCP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/911001.SGI) id PAA24635; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:18:27 -0700 Received: by kesa.kesa.com (/\=-/\ Smail3.1.18.1 #18.8) id ; Wed, 2 Aug 95 15:16 PDT Received: by kesa26.Kesa.COM (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01144; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:13:37 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:13:37 -0700 From: pete@kesa26.Kesa.COM (Pete Delaney) Message-Id: <9508022213.AA01144@kesa26.Kesa.COM> To: mike@mbsun.mlb.org, craig@adikia.sccsi.com, tiago@comosjn.hobby.nl, nasten@everyware.se, lair@midway.uchicago.edu Subject: Mach64 ddx Code Cc: xfree86@physics.su.oz.au, dawes@physics.su.oz.au, glenn@cs.utexas.edu, jtsilla@denali.ccs.northeastern.edu, dwex@goblin.org X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I just did a quick look at the Mach32 ddx code and it says that Kevin Martin upgraded the driver from the Mach8 to the Mach32 card. I'm looking into modifying the Xserver to support a touch screen interface, in addition to a mouse, that will provide absolute coordinates. Previously this was handled by modifying the Xserver, and I believe this was a good approach. I'm currently starting by building the X server for the Mach32, using the XFree86 2.0 release. It`s likely best to ftp or find a copy of a newer version, like 2.1, and base this development on that. I thought that while getting familiar with this some of you might provide some pointers to supporting the Mach64 card. I thought at least a Beta version is likely available, and was wonder if some documantaion on the card was available with minimal effort. I heard a kit was available from ATI, is something around that I can ftp or get via e-mail? Any suggestions would be great. -pete From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 15:54:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA04235 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:54:35 -0700 Received: from bronze.coil.com (bronze.coil.com [198.4.94.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04229 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:54:33 -0700 Received: from localhost (echet@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.12) id SAA03167; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:57:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:57:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Eric Chet echet@coil.com" X-Sender: echet@bronze.coil.com To: David Greenman cc: serges@umr.edu, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-Reply-To: <199508022102.OAA00999@corbin.Root.COM> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, David Greenman wrote: > Date: Wed, 02 Aug 1995 14:02:52 -0700 > From: David Greenman > To: serges@umr.edu > Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com > Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap > > >Well I dont know what those "mechanisms" are and I (unlike the original > >poster) cant compare 2.0.5 with a previous version of FreeBSD, but I can > >say that I experience excessive swapping on my system. I have a 486DX50 > >with 20 megs of core and ~20 megs of swap space. With a minimal X > >desktop with Netscape and 2 xterms running I can *easily* exhaust the virtual > >memory on my system! This is ofcourse, after running Netscape (or xv) for > >a long time (> 1hour continuous use). I usually have to kill the server > >and restart things. > Hello One thing that might help a little, get XF311link.tgz from ftp.freebsd.org. Relink your X server with -lgnumalloc this helped me. My XF86_Mach64.gnumalloc server stays around 2200K most of the time. --Eric From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 15:59:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA04372 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:59:46 -0700 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04366 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:59:44 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111177-3>; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:43:56 -0700 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA22729 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 95 15:15:57 PDT To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 15:15:27 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Aug2.154356pdt.111177-3@aero.org> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Garrett sez: > Actually, the same `lorder ${OBJS} | tsort' technique ought to have > some beneficial effect. This doesn't group together commonly-used > routines, but it does group modules near each other based on > dependency. I remember when 'symorder' was first hacked together at Rand. I think you guys still use it. The whole purpose was to speed up things like 'ps' by preverting the order of symbols, so the ones 'ps' needed were at the front of the symbol table of /vmunix. Seems to me that you could get 90% of the win for 10% of the effort by doing something similar for libraries. You all pretty much know what the common routines are, and if you don't, then profiling random utilities and editors for a couple of days will tell you. Then just put those names in a file and create a simple utility that orders the library so the files containing those routines are together. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 17:22:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA06704 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:22:11 -0700 Received: from crow.ctc.edu (crow.ctc.edu [134.39.180.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06698 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:22:09 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by crow.ctc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA02778 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:16:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:16:21 -0700 From: Chris Coleman Message-Id: <199508030016.RAA02778@crow.ctc.edu> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: is this how you get on the mailing list Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk if so i want on, if not dump this letter From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 17:44:23 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA07365 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:44:23 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA07355 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 17:44:22 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA24090; Wed, 2 Aug 95 18:37:11 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9508030037.AA24090@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 18:37:11 MDT Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508021920.AA19166@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Aug 2, 95 03:20:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> I do not believe that there is any valid reason to do this, which is > >> why I didn't implement it that way. > > > So i can add frogfs to the kernel and mount a frogfs file system without > > having to recompile my kernel or modify system header files. > > Right, you can indeed do that now. No, I can't. The vfssw and vfsconf arrays in kern/vfs_init.c are limited to MOUNT_MAXTYPE + 1 entries, and this + 1 entry is there soley to tag the end of the list for vfsinit() in the same file. The use of MOUNT_MAXTYPE+1 in fs_sysctl() in the same file is really broken. In _lkm_vfs() in kern/kern_lkm.c, the index is expected to be specified. If the index passed in is -1 with the module, meaning allocate an unused slot, the module loader traverses from the end of the list (minus one -- MOUNT_MAXTYPE bogosity again) and allocates one of the "unused" slots. Unused, that is, unless you are using all the known file system types. Even if you aren't, it bogusly causes the the mount command for the file system type used to provide bogus arguments to the stolen slot, and in fact, prevents future loading of the supported file system type whose slot was stolen. I won't even get into what happens with the pointer dereference on multiple type-specific vnodeops entries, except to say that only the first is handled correctly, the way that the vfs_opv_init() function is being called in the load. So if I have a limited implementation, am not using a file system type near the end of the table and don't plan on using a file system type between the end of the table and the point I want allocated, then it *is* possible to do this in a kinda half-assed way. Of course, the code is the only documentation for this information. This is all vastly inferior to not having a slot index/file system type correlation at all... which even if the number of slots was left alone, my allocation of a slot for a new file system type would neither screw an existing-but-not-loaded file system out of its slot when the time cane to use it, nor leave potentially confusing mount_XXX mount commands able to make the mount() call but unable to actually perform the mout for the FS in question. > >> > Really, it wants file systems to be described with a flags descriptor > >> > so that you can know whether a file system is local or remote > >> > >> Which we have and do set as appropriate. > > > Prior to root mount, and in all cases? > > Yes. It's in the vfsconf structure's `flags' field; the flag is > called VFCF_NETWORK. There are also flags for statically-loaded > filesystems (VFCF_STATIC), read-only filesystems (VFCF_READONLY), > synthetic filesystems with no physical backing like procfs and kernfs > (VFCF_SYNTHETIC), and loopbacks (VFCF_LOOPBACK). Ah. I see it in the VFS_SET() stuff now. Never mind. It could be a bit more appropriately located. I could decide a file system is not local at mount time. For instance, a union mount of a read only network volume and a local disk for compilation of source should flag the mount as VFCF_NETWORK by way of inheritance. Probably this wants to be a flag in the mount structure that is inherited from the file system type(s) being mounted, potentiall as multiple mounts being represented as a union. Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 18:21:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA09313 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:21:32 -0700 Received: from curly.cc.swin.edu.au (curly.cc.swin.edu.au [136.186.1.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA09307 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:21:28 -0700 Received: from remus.tafe.swin.edu.au by curly.cc.swin.edu.au (5.65c/1.34) id AA14822; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:20:19 +1000 Received: From ADMINO/WORKQUEUE by remus.tafe.swin.edu.au via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.950803112334.352; 03 Aug 95 11:23:57 +500 Message-Id: From: "Aaron Elliott." Organization: Swinburne TAFE To: "Michael C. Newell" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:15:44 +10 Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... Reply-To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Priority: normal X-Mailer: PMail v3.0 (R1a) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Gday! Thanks for the reply! I have changed the routed to get it to annonuce, and the system seems to know that 136.186.16.9 is through 16.11, probly via proxy arp, which is ACE!!! The block now seems to be with getting stuff to be forwarded through from sl0 to ed0 and vice versa. I reconfigured the kernal with the gateway option set, and booted on it, but still didnt seem to comply! Do you use sliplogin?? becasue i dont.. I have ifconfig sl0 bla bla in netstart along with the arp stuff too.. Is this the way to do it or should i be using sliplogin as well? The docs arent to clear on this topic. Thanks again!!! >You might need to run routed to get it to announce. I'm doing pretty >much this same thing (check out >"http://www.newell.arlington.va.us/mcnet") and it works quite well. You >need to launch routed with the "-s" qualifier; I think the startup files >use the "-q" qualifier which explicitly tells routed not to announce its >routes. > >Mike Aaron Elliott, CNA. [VK3AJQ] Swinburne University of Technology, Prahran Campus. Melbourne Australia. InterNet: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au. FidoNet: aaron@3:632/370.fidonet.org. GSM Mobile: +61 41 930 2361 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 18:27:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA09576 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:27:48 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09568 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:27:46 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id VAA15106; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:22:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:22:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: HP Desk Jet printing (fwd) To: "Edward F. Knight" cc: questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk its not the printcap so much as the kick in the pants the deskjet needs to print ascii ;) take a look at /usr/local/lib/djascii included at the end. /etc/printcap: lp|djascii|Deskjet Ascii:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd:\ :lf=/var/log/lpd-errs:\ :if=/usr/local/lib/djascii:\ :af=/var/spool/lpd/acct:\ :pl=60:\ :mx#0:sf:sh:rs: /usr/local/lib/djascii: #!/bin/sh echo "^[&l2A^[&k6W^[&l#0^[(s0p10h12v^[&k3G" cat exit Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 18:30:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA09652 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:30:06 -0700 Received: from uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au (uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au [130.102.192.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id SAA09637 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:30:00 -0700 Received: from flute.cs.uq.oz.au by uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au id ; Thu, 3 Aug 95 11:29:27 +1000 Message-Id: <9508030129.AA06909@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Conner 700/850 MB Internal Floppy tape drive. Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 11:29:23 +1000 From: Eddie Fung Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk We have installed a Conner 700/850 MB Internal Floppy Minicartridge tape drive in our PC running FreeBSD 2.0.5R. The kernel can recognise it as `ft0: Conner tape'. But when we try to access ft0: $ mt -f /dev/ft0 status fdc0: output ready timeout fdc0: input ready timeout fdc0: input ready timeout mt: Device not configured fdc0: output ready timeout fdc0: input ready timeout fdc0: input ready timeout Is there anything we can do to fix this? Thanks and Regards Eddie From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 18:33:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA09846 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:33:53 -0700 Received: from spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu [128.52.46.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA09840 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 18:33:52 -0700 Received: by spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12GNU) id VAA18307; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:33:09 -0400 From: Kristyn Fayette Message-Id: <199508030133.VAA18307@spiff.gnu.ai.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Anyone ported a MUD to FreeBSD 2.0.5? To: freelist@elf.kendall.mdcc.edu (Don's FList drop) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Don's FList drop" at Aug 2, 95 09:34:44 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL5] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 433 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk } } I was suprised to find that there was no MUD or MOO in the games or } networking directories of the ports tree. Can anyone reccomend one that } will compile with little modification? } TinyMUCK, TinyMUD, TeenyMUD and Amylaar either didn't require any porting or only very very little. Just say 'BSD' and 'gcc'. -- -=(*)=- Kristyn Fayette -=(*)=- kristyn@gnu.ai.mit.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 19:25:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA11548 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:25:36 -0700 Received: from oasis (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11542 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 19:25:34 -0700 Received: from oasis (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oasis (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA00980; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:25:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:25:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: "Edward F. Knight" cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: printcap for HP DeskJet 310/312 In-Reply-To: <199508021716.KAA16818@ix6.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Wed, 2 Aug 1995, Edward F. Knight wrote: > Can anyone supply or direct me to a printcap for an HP DeskJet printer? > > Thanks, > Ted > e.knight@ix.netcom.com I was starting a print filter archives until I managed to remove the partition table from my HD this past Friday. (Black Friday) So, unfortunately I cant zap one off to you. However, I'd suggest looking at aps-491.tgz on freebsd.cdrom.com under: /pub/linux/sunsite/system/Printing It works very good and allows you to print PostScript files on you DeskJet. BTW, you'll need to get ghostscript installed first to use aps. --- Rob Snow rsnow@txdirect.net From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 20:20:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA13662 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:20:47 -0700 Received: from alfred.ccs.carleton.ca (alfred.ccs.carleton.ca [134.117.1.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA13655 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:20:44 -0700 Received: from superior (superior.ccs.carleton.ca) by alfred.ccs.carleton.ca (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA04513; Wed, 2 Aug 95 23:20:41 EDT From: yytan@ccs.carleton.ca (Yi-Ying Tan) Received: by superior (4.1/Sun-Client) id AA14010; Wed, 2 Aug 95 23:20:39 EDT Date: Wed, 2 Aug 95 23:20:39 EDT Message-Id: <9508030320.AA14010@superior> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: error in building BIND Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Just at the beginning of make, compile blows out with messages: bind-4.9.269% make /usr/home/ebx/work/bind-4.9.2/res cc -g -I../include -I../compat/include -DUSE_OPTIONS_H -c herror.c In file included from herror.c:65: /usr/include/unistd.h:53: parse error before `__dead2' /usr/include/unistd.h:53: warning: data definition has no type or storage class *** Error code 1 Stop. *** Error code 1 Stop. Can some one enlighten me a bit on this? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 20:58:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA15371 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:58:00 -0700 Received: (from gclarkii@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA15360 ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:57:59 -0700 From: Gary Clark II Message-Id: <199508030357.UAA15360@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Telnet problem To: joe@ns.via.net (Joe McGuckin) Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 20:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508022047.NAA01741@ns.via.net> from "Joe McGuckin" at Aug 2, 95 01:47:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 842 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > I have a machine on a subnet (mask is 255.255.255.224) that I want to > use as a firewall. > > I can telnet into the machine from the internet ok, but other machines > on the local exposed net or the internal net can't connect to the > telnet daemon. > > I get: > > fw: {4} telnet fw > Trying 205.162.31.34... > Connected to fw.vcsnet.com. > Escape character is '^]'. > > and it just hangs... > > Any suggestions? > > -joe > Hi, Make SURE that you have a running ip-lookup (in-addr.arpa) around. I've had the same problem before. -- Gary Clark II (N5VMF) | FreeBSD support and service gclarkii@FreeBSD.ORG | mail info@gbdata.com for information FreeBSD FAQ at ftp.FreeBSD.ORG in ~pub/FreeBSD/FreeBSD-current/src/share/FAQ/Text/FreeBSD.FAQ From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 21:03:24 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA15829 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:03:24 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA15823 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 21:03:23 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08422; Thu, 3 Aug 95 04:03:21 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA22799; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:03:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:03:20 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9508030403.AA22799@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: fadorno@ix.netcom.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508021604.JAA29141@ix7.ix.netcom.com> (fadorno@ix.netcom.com) Subject: Re: Installation of Printer Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Fred" == Fred Adorno writes: Fred> How do I get freebsd to recognize my epson actionlaser 1500 Fred> on lpt1? Is this a plain old line printer? You can probably get away with the following entry in /etc/printcap: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ epson|Epson ActionLaser 1500:\ :lp=/dev/lpt1:sd=/var/spool/lpd/epson:mx#0:\ :if=/usr/libexec/lpr/lpf: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ And make the spooling directory: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ mkdir -p /var/spool/lpd/epson chown daemon.daemon /var/spool/lpd/epson chmod 770 /var/spool/lpd/epson ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Don't header pages? Add `:sh:' to the printcap entry. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA Dad always thought laughter was the best medicine, which I guess is why several of us died of tuberculosis. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 22:40:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA17283 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:40:54 -0700 Received: from alpha7.dec.ncku.edu.tw (alpha7.dec.ncku.edu.tw [140.116.3.67]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA17276 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 22:40:47 -0700 From: e6482208@alpha7.dec.ncku.edu.tw Received: by alpha7.dec.ncku.edu.tw; id AA01228; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:39:02 +0800 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:39:02 +0800 Message-Id: <9508030539.AA01228@alpha7.dec.ncku.edu.tw> To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Creative 4 speed cd-rom Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dose FreeBSD suport Creative 4 cd-rom? or how and where can I find the patch ? thanx From owner-freebsd-questions Wed Aug 2 23:56:34 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA18469 for questions-outgoing; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 23:56:34 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA18463 for ; Wed, 2 Aug 1995 23:56:32 -0700 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Some questions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, We at the Chabot Observatory & Science Center will be setting up a machine to run as a server using FreeBSD on a T1 connection but have a few questions that hopefully someone can answer. 1) We will be running our own nameserver as cosc.gov but how do I do the DNS entries and when we register our domain name with other nameservers besides our own, do we have to update the hostnames for the cosc.gov domain on our nameserver only or on all of the nameservers that are doing the DNS for our domain. Specifically, how do we setup a nameserver under FreeBSD and also does the secondary nameservers just get it's updates from the primary nameserver? Sorry for some non-FreeBSD specific questions but I'm sure some of you FreeBSD users would know very much about this stuff. 2) We will be providing ppp/slip on our machine... Is there anyway to start ppp/slip from the shell as the server or do we have to use something like slirp in order to do this since all the ppp/slip ip's will be routed through the FreeBSD machine. Also, would I need to set the option "GATEWAY" on in the kernel config? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for you help! Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! Chabot Observatory & Science Center - Board of Advisors From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 00:19:02 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA19180 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:19:02 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA19174 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:19:00 -0700 Newsgroups: comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 03:20:46 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Hardware problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi everyone, I am experiencing the folliwing problems when trying to run nn and irc, is there a problem with the hard drive? Can this be fixed? Here is the output I got: wd0s2e: hard error reading fsbn 679956 of 679912-679975 (wd0s2 bn 786452; cn 780 tn 3 sn 23)wd0: status 59 error 40 vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 319 failure pid 319: nn: uid 0: exited on signal 11 Here's my dmesg output: FreeBSD 2.2-CURRENT #0: Wed Aug 2 17:39:02 PDT 1995 vince@orion.COSC.GOV:/usr/src/sys/compile/EINSTEIN CPU: 90-MHz Pentium 735\\90 (Pentium-class CPU) Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x524 Stepping=4 Features=0x1bf avail memory = 22290432 (5442 pages) Probing for devices on the ISA bus: sc0 at 0x60-0x6f irq 1 on motherboard sc0: VGA color <12 virtual consoles, flags=0x0> ed0 at 0x280-0x29f irq 5 on isa ed0: address 00:00:e8:c5:0d:82, type NE2000 (16 bit) ed1 not found at 0x300 sio0 at 0x3f8-0x3ff irq 4 on isa sio0: type 16550A sio1 at 0x2f8-0x2ff irq 3 on isa sio1: type 16550A sio2 not found at 0x3e8 sio3 not found at 0x2e8 lpt0 at 0x378-0x37f irq 7 on isa lpt0: Interrupt-driven port lp0: TCP/IP capable interface lpt1 not found at 0xffffffff lpt2 not found at 0xffffffff pca0 on motherboard pca0: PC speaker audio driver fdc0 at 0x3f0-0x3f7 irq 6 drq 2 on isa fdc0: NEC 72065B fd0: 1.44MB 3.5in wdc0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7 irq 14 on isa wdc0: unit 0 (wd0): wd0: 1204MB (2467584 sectors), 2448 cyls, 16 heads, 63 S/T, 512 B/S wdc1 not found at 0x170 bt0 not found at 0x330 uha0 not found at 0x330 ahc1 not found ahb0 not found aha0 not found at 0x330 aic0 not found at 0x340 nca0 not found at 0x1f88 nca1 not found at 0x350 sea0 not found wt0 not found at 0x300 mcd0: timeout getting status mcd0 not found at 0x300 mcd1: timeout getting status mcd1 not found at 0x340 matcdc0 not found at 0xffffffff scd0 not found at 0x230 eg0 not found at 0x310 ie0 not found at 0x360 ep0 not found at 0x300 ix0 not found at 0x300 le0: no board found at 0x300 le0 not found at 0x300 lnc0 not probed due to I/O address conflict with ed0 at 0x280 lnc1 not found at 0x300 ze0 not found at 0x300 zp0 not found at 0x300 npx0 on motherboard npx0: INT 16 interface gus0 not found at 0x220 joy0 at 0x201 on isa joy0: joystick Probing for devices on the pci0 bus: configuration mode 1 allows 32 devices. chip0 rev 1 on pci0:0 chip1 rev 2 on pci0:7 vga0 rev 0 on pci0:11 pci0: uses 8388608 bytes of memory from fb000000 upto fb7fffff. wd0s2e: hard error reading fsbn 679956 of 679912-679975 (wd0s2 bn 786452; cn 780 tn 3 sn 23)wd0: status 59 error 40 vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 319 failure pid 319: nn: uid 0: exited on signal 11 Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 00:28:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA19672 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:28:03 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA19663 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:27:58 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA02805; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:21:27 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508030751.RAA02805@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some questions To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:21:26 +0930 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 3, 95 02:58:14 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2149 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -Vince- stands accused of saying: > Hi everyone, G'day Vince - I've seen your questions before, but I thought that you should have had some answers by now 8( > 1) We will be running our own nameserver as cosc.gov but how do I do the > DNS entries and when we register our domain name with other nameservers > besides our own, do we have to update the hostnames for the cosc.gov > domain on our nameserver only or on all of the nameservers that are doing > the DNS for our domain. Specifically, how do we setup a nameserver under > FreeBSD and also does the secondary nameservers just get it's updates from > the primary nameserver? Sorry for some non-FreeBSD specific questions but > I'm sure some of you FreeBSD users would know very much about this stuff. Your best bet here is to go buy the O'Reilly DNS and Bind book. Setting up a DNS is not a trivial task, and attempting to write about in in a mail message is suicide for the fingers. > 2) We will be providing ppp/slip on our machine... Is there anyway to start > ppp/slip from the shell as the server or do we have to use something like > slirp in order to do this since all the ppp/slip ip's will be routed > through the FreeBSD machine. Also, would I need to set the option > "GATEWAY" on in the kernel config? Check the manual page for sliplogin for information on how to set a user's login up to run slip, and the ppp manual page for similar for ppp. You can, alternatively run SLiRP, which will greatly reduce the complications involved. You will need to set the kernel gateway option. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for you help! No sweat. Sorry you got such a poor response before. > -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 00:59:30 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA20393 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:59:30 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA20387 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 00:59:27 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA02847; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:53:15 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508030823.RAA02847@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Hardware problems To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:53:15 +0930 (CST) Cc: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 3, 95 03:20:46 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1125 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > Hi everyone, > > I am experiencing the folliwing problems when trying to run nn > and irc, is there a problem with the hard drive? Can this be fixed? Yes and maybe. > Here is the output I got: > > wd0s2e: hard error reading fsbn 679956 of 679912-679975 (wd0s2 bn 786452; cn 780 tn 3 sn 23)wd0: status 59 error 40 > vnode_pager_getpages: I/O read error > vm_fault: pager input (probably hardware) error, PID 319 failure > pid 319: nn: uid 0: exited on signal 11 You have a bad sector on your disk. Read the bad144 manual page for one means of dealing with it, and the badsect manual page for another. > -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 01:26:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA20958 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:26:59 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA20948 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:26:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 04:27:50 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Michael Smith cc: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Some questions In-Reply-To: <199508030751.RAA02805@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Michael Smith wrote: Hi Mike and everyone, > -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > Hi everyone, > > G'day Vince - I've seen your questions before, but I thought that you > should have had some answers by now 8( Well, someone did answer but it got me passed the ethernet part and atleast the machine is on the net now... =) > > 1) We will be running our own nameserver as cosc.gov but how do I do the > > DNS entries and when we register our domain name with other nameservers > > besides our own, do we have to update the hostnames for the cosc.gov > > domain on our nameserver only or on all of the nameservers that are doing > > the DNS for our domain. Specifically, how do we setup a nameserver under > > FreeBSD and also does the secondary nameservers just get it's updates from > > the primary nameserver? Sorry for some non-FreeBSD specific questions but > > I'm sure some of you FreeBSD users would know very much about this stuff. > > Your best bet here is to go buy the O'Reilly DNS and Bind book. Setting > up a DNS is not a trivial task, and attempting to write about in in a mail > message is suicide for the fingers. Can these be found in bookstores though besides mail-ordering it? I know a DNS is not easy but a example setup would be easier to learn from. > > 2) We will be providing ppp/slip on our machine... Is there anyway to start > > ppp/slip from the shell as the server or do we have to use something like > > slirp in order to do this since all the ppp/slip ip's will be routed > > through the FreeBSD machine. Also, would I need to set the option > > "GATEWAY" on in the kernel config? > > Check the manual page for sliplogin for information on how to set a > user's login up to run slip, and the ppp manual page for similar for ppp. > > You can, alternatively run SLiRP, which will greatly reduce the > complications involved. Hmmm, okay will SLiRP actually do real ip addresses for the slip/ppp since I thought SLiRP was a emulator like TIA? > You will need to set the kernel gateway option. Oh okay.... > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for you help! > > No sweat. Sorry you got such a poor response before. That's okay, just hope the DNS issue can get worked out soon.... Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 01:46:09 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA21949 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:46:09 -0700 Received: from konrad.lysator.liu.se (lysnet-gw.lysator.liu.se [130.236.253.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA21942 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 01:46:03 -0700 From: pw@lysator.liu.se Received: from harpenden.lysator.liu.se (harpenden.lysator.liu.se [130.236.254.34]) by konrad.lysator.liu.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id KAA02517 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:45:57 +0200 Received: (from pw@localhost) by harpenden.lysator.liu.se (8.6.11/8.6.11) id KAA06819 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:45:54 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:45:54 +0200 Message-Id: <199508030845.KAA06819@harpenden.lysator.liu.se> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: YP Content-Length: 3030 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi! First of all, thanks for a great OS. I am installing FreeBSD as my first Unix and sort of picking up the basics of Unix administration as I go along. It means some mistakes, some reinstallations, but it sure is an effective crash course. Anyhow, some confusions linger on this my third day that I can't see myself resolving easily without a little outside assistance. Main problem is with YP. I fiddle sysconfig so that ypbind is run in rc, that's fine. After this, ypcat passwd works perfectly. I put that little + entry in the password file... but this is as far as things go well. Trying to log in with a non-local user produces about a billion lines of "yp_order: clnt_call: RPC: Procedure unavailable". Is this my problem, or the server's? It's a SUN running NIS+. To be honest, I don't really need YP, but I'm trying to learn how all this stuff works. Next, NFS seems to work a little oddly at times. Mounting and such works brilliantly, no complaints from anything, but when actually using it I have noticed some problems. I haven't investigated closer but a symptom is eg moving a tar-file to a NFS-mounted remote system, then at a later time unpacking from it and finding the file to be short. If this is not something that makes you go "aha" at once, I will try to find further symptoms and make a more detailed report. Next, a suggestion; perhaps the stuff in sysconfig and rc should be cleaned up re: the use of pcvt as opposed to syscons. I didn't really have any problem tearing out the syscons stuff and setting up new configurations for pcvt but since this s one of the things a new user will look at first, perhaps it might b a good idea. Oh yes, one more thing: I have spent quite a bit of time trying to sort out just what parts of the system Kerberos, YP, and DES affect, respectively. I installed Kerberos, then ripped it out, but I failed to uninstalled it nicely. Finally I just basically recompiled the whole system. Most confusing I guess is the DES stuff; I think perhaps you should put further emphasis on the fact that once outside the US, DES implementions can be used freely. This is very far from obvious. It is also not obvious just what all these various secure/ dirs, sources, binary distribs, do... secure_rpc is a good example of a fairly unfathomable entity. But that's source stuff, I guess it's not meant for me. :) All in all, these things would benefit from a great big explicit README-file. There is lots of help on what keys to press in the installation program -- fairly uninterseting, in my opinion, -- and perhaps some lack of information on a more medium level of complexity such as the things mentioned here: just what the various things do, where they fit into and what binaries/libraries they affect/recompile/are referred by. All in all, though, I am vastly impressed by the ease with which I turned my PC into a computer. Many, many thanks! If there is anything that I, in my unfortunately fairly unexperienced way, can do, please ask. Thanks again, P. Winzell From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 02:03:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA22561 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:03:43 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA22554 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 02:03:36 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA02952; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:57:18 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508030927.SAA02952@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some questions To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:57:18 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 3, 95 04:27:50 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1296 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > Your best bet here is to go buy the O'Reilly DNS and Bind book. Setting > > up a DNS is not a trivial task, and attempting to write about in in a mail > > message is suicide for the fingers. > > Can these be found in bookstores though besides mail-ordering > it? I know a DNS is not easy but a example setup would be easier to > learn from. Yup, any halfway decent bookstore should have the O'reilly books, or be able to get them. http://www.ora.com may be easier if you're web-literate. > Hmmm, okay will SLiRP actually do real ip addresses for the slip/ppp > since I thought SLiRP was a emulator like TIA? SLiRP doesn't give a stuff about IP addresses, it uses whatever the client machine claims to be. If you want to do more than feed a single client, then you'll need to do things 'properly'. > -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 03:13:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA24875 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 03:13:29 -0700 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net (mail.Germany.EU.net [192.76.144.65]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id DAA24869 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 03:13:27 -0700 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with SMTP (5.51:30/EUnetD-2.5.1.k) via EUnet id MAA20962; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:15:15 +0200 Received: from p31 by atmkn.atm.aeg.kn.daimlerbenz.com with SMTP (5.65/GEN-1.1.7) id AA10372; Thu, 3 Aug 95 12:18:20 +0200 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 12:18:20 +0200 From: "g.seidel" Message-Id: <9508031018.AA09823@p31.atm.aeg.kn.daimlerbenz.com> Received: by p31.atm.aeg.kn.daimlerbenz.com (5.65/GEN-1.1.7) id AA09823; Thu, 3 Aug 95 12:18:20 +0200 Apparently-To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Are there any plans in the near future for a SMP version of FreeBSD to support dual pentium platforms ? From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 06:10:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA27979 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 06:10:04 -0700 Received: from elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (surfs-up.demon.co.uk [158.152.128.94]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA27967 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 06:09:59 -0700 Received: (from nik@localhost) by elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA00285 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:42:46 GMT From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <199508031142.LAA00285@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Subject: ifconfig alias and a 3C509 Combo b To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:42:46 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 913 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do, I'm trying to use ``ifconfig'' to add a second IP address to one of my interfaces. ep0 is a 3C509 Combo (revision b) board, that normally has the IP address x.y.z.50 assigned to it. It's temporarily taking over the duties of a mailhost, so I'm aliasing the mailhosts IP address (x.y.z.10) to it. # ifconfig ep0 inet x.y.z.10 alias Seems to do this. But it spits out the error ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists The alias seems to work, as Macs around the network can still pick up their mail at the .10 address. But I'm a little concerned about the error. N -- --+=[ Nik Clayton System Administration, Blueberry Design Ltd, ]=+-- --+=[ nik@blueberry.co.uk 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre ]=+-- --+=[ root@blueberry.co.uk London, SW10 0XE. Tel: 0171 351 3313 ]=+-- "It's two o'clock in the morning. . . do you know where your stack pointer is?" From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 06:48:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA29011 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 06:48:01 -0700 Received: from ccsun.unicamp.br (obelix.unicamp.br [143.106.10.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA28999 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 06:47:43 -0700 Received: from ifi.unicamp.br by ccsun.unicamp.br (5.0/SMI-SVR4-DNI-8.0) id AA23350; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:47:28 -0300 Received: from by-tor.ifi.unicamp.br by ifi.unicamp.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20906; Thu, 3 Aug 95 10:47:05 BSC Received: (from moriya@localhost) by by-tor.ifi.unicamp.br (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA02864; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:56:22 -0300 From: Alexandre Moriya - esp Message-Id: <199508031356.KAA02864@by-tor.ifi.unicamp.br> Subject: PC-NFS To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:56:21 -0300 (EST) Cc: moriya@ifi.unicamp.br (Alexandre Moriya - esp) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 734 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, I don't know if it is a bug of FreeBSD-2.0 or I am missing some little detail... I have the following configuration: - 1 PC/FreeBSD-2.0 (host01) which exports a directory (eg, /6) to EVERYONE - 1 PC/DOS/PCNFS The problem is that I am not able to mount from the PC/DOS using "net use drive_letter: host01:/6" when I am not logged (logged as nobody (uid:-2 gid:-2)). I am able to mount only when I am logged as some user. Do you have any tips ? Thank you very much, BYE -- Alexandre Moriya (RA 910061) Centro de Computacao John David Rogers (CCJDR) Instituto de Fisica Gleb Wataghin (IFGW) Universidade Estadual de Campinas (UNICAMP) Campinas - SP - Brasil e-mail: moriya@ifi.unicamp.br moriya@dcc.unicamp.br From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 06:48:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA29063 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 06:48:59 -0700 Received: from ccsun.unicamp.br (obelix.unicamp.br [143.106.10.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA29056 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 06:48:36 -0700 Received: from ifi.unicamp.br by ccsun.unicamp.br (5.0/SMI-SVR4-DNI-8.0) id AA23375; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:48:29 -0300 Received: from by-tor.ifi.unicamp.br by ifi.unicamp.br (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20923; Thu, 3 Aug 95 10:48:07 BSC Received: (from moriya@localhost) by by-tor.ifi.unicamp.br (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA02872 for FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:57:26 -0300 From: Alexandre Moriya - esp Message-Id: <199508031357.KAA02872@by-tor.ifi.unicamp.br> Subject: PCNFS To: FreeBSD-questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:57:25 -0300 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 307 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sorry, I forgot to say that I am running "mountd -n". BYE -- Alexandre Moriya (RA 910061) Centro de Computacao John David Rogers (CCJDR) Instituto de Fisica Gleb Wataghin (IFGW) Universidade Estadual de Campinas (UNICAMP) Campinas - SP - Brasil e-mail: moriya@ifi.unicamp.br moriya@dcc.unicamp.br From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 07:30:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA29972 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:30:48 -0700 Received: from ccsun8.csie.nctu.edu.tw (ccsun8.csie.nctu.edu.tw [140.113.209.13]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA29963 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:30:42 -0700 Received: (jdli@localhost) by ccsun8.csie.nctu.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.4) id WAA27115 for freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:20:00 +0800 From: jdli@csie.nctu.edu.tw (Chien-Ta Lee) Message-Id: <199508031420.WAA27115@ccsun8.csie.nctu.edu.tw> Subject: XFree86-3.1.2 & gnumalloc To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:19:59 +0800 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Length: 589 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi : I found that XFree86-3.1.2 for FreeBSD-2.0.5 linked with gnumalloc, and -lgnumalloc had been added into config/FreeBSD.cf. And I found that the memory useage for stuffs linked with gnu- malloc (especially X-server) use much fewer memory than before. I read some discussions in the hacker mailing-list, they said that gnumalloc use memory better but is slower (b'cos use sbrk), and there are still bsd-malloc, dl-malloc, phk-malloc. which one will become default malloc in the future ? -- Mail: jdli@csie.nctu.edu.tw From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 07:36:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA00389 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:36:41 -0700 Received: from spartaco.alfea.it (spartaco.alfea.it [194.21.32.4]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA00382 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:36:37 -0700 Received: by spartaco.alfea.it (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA03421 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:36:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199508031436.QAA03421@spartaco.alfea.it> X-Sender: luca@spartaco.alfea.it Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:36:31 +0200 To: questions@freebsd.org From: L.Trupiano@alfea.it (Luca Trupiano) Subject: Multihomed host crash Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hy all! I installed FreeBSD2.0 on a 486dx2 connected with two lans; I recompiled the kernel with the options IPFIREWALL options IPFIREWALL_VERBOSE options IPFORWARDING=0 options IPSENDREDIRECTS=0 and the card drivers: #driver COMPEX card device ed1 at isa? port 0x200 net irq 10 flags 0x04 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr #driver 3c507 card device ie0 at isa? port 0x360 net irq 7 iomem 0xd0000 vector ieintr removing other devices with irq 7 and 10. It compiled fine, the system seems to boot and work well but... ...when i use ftp or rcp *from* this machine *to* another on the lan connected with the 3c507 card the system often crashes without warnings or core saving. All i can do is turn power off. (Note, if i transfer a file from the 486 to a machine X with a PUT in ftp the system crashes, while if i GET the same file from X it goes!) Every other network service from or to this machine works well on both the lans. The ipfw software is not actually configured, so it shouln't cause any problem. Someone knows what's happening, where the problem is or how can be solved? Thanks in advance, Luca. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 07:52:01 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA00975 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:52:01 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id HAA00967 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:51:59 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id HAA02881 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:51:56 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA03426; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:36:25 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508031506.AAA03426@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: ifconfig alias and a 3C509 Combo b To: nik@blueberry.co.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:36:24 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508031142.LAA00285@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> from "Nik Clayton" at Aug 3, 95 11:42:46 am Content-Type: text Content-Length: 882 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Nik Clayton stands accused of saying: > # ifconfig ep0 inet x.y.z.10 alias FAQ. (you should search the questions archive 8) The answer is 'netmask 255.255.255.255' > The alias seems to work, as Macs around the network can still pick up > their mail at the .10 address. But I'm a little concerned about the > error. gated will have a fit if you don't bring the netmask in correctly, in my (limited) experience. > --+=[ Nik Clayton System Administration, Blueberry Design Ltd, ]=+-- -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 07:54:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA01094 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:54:21 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA01087 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 07:54:15 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA20195; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:52:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:52:04 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508031452.AA20195@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: Nik Clayton Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: FAQ: ifconfig alias and a 3C509 Combo b In-Reply-To: <199508031142.LAA00285@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> References: <199508031142.LAA00285@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk < said: > # ifconfig ep0 inet x.y.z.10 alias > Seems to do this. But it spits out the error > ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCAIFADDR): File exists You must specify an appropriate netmask. By default, `ifconfig' will use the same netmask for x.y.z.10 as it did for x.y.z.50, which is not a valid operation. You need to specify an all-ones netmask (i.e., 255.255.255.255 aka 0xffffffff) to indicate that the alias you are adding is for a single extra host and not another network sharing the same wire. This should go into the FAQ. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 08:15:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA02102 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:15:20 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id IAA02093 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:15:17 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA20210; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:15:07 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:15:07 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508031515.AA20210@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems In-Reply-To: <9508030037.AA24090@cs.weber.edu> References: <9508021920.AA19166@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> <9508030037.AA24090@cs.weber.edu> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk <> > So i can add frogfs to the kernel and mount a frogfs file system without >> > having to recompile my kernel or modify system header files. >> >> Right, you can indeed do that now. > No, I can't. The vfssw and vfsconf arrays in kern/vfs_init.c are > limited to MOUNT_MAXTYPE + 1 entries, and this + 1 entry is there > soley to tag the end of the list for vfsinit() in the same file. #undef MOUNT_MAXTYPE #define MOUNT_MAXTYPE however_big_you_want > The use of MOUNT_MAXTYPE+1 in fs_sysctl() in the same file is > really broken. You're right. Replace: *oldlenp = (MOUNT_MAXTYPE+1) * sizeof(struct vfsconf); with: *oldlenp = sizeof vfsconf; I think this is a remnant of a previous attempt on my part to only give as an estimate the actual size of the entries that are present. Note that slot zero is reserved; there's probably no point in copying out the empty slot zero entry. > In _lkm_vfs() in kern/kern_lkm.c, the index is expected to be > specified. If the index passed in is -1 with the module, meaning > allocate an unused slot, the module loader traverses from the > end of the list (minus one -- MOUNT_MAXTYPE bogosity again) and > allocates one of the "unused" slots. Unused, that is, unless > you are using all the known file system types. See above. > Even if you aren't, it bogusly causes the the mount command for the > file system type used to provide bogus arguments to the stolen slot, Um, excuse me? Where did you get this idea? The filesystem is loaded by the filesystem-specific mount command; it has no way of providing any other sort of arguments. > I won't even get into what happens with the pointer dereference > on multiple type-specific vnodeops entries, except to say that > only the first is handled correctly, the way that the vfs_opv_init() > function is being called in the load. The way that the vfs_opv_init() function is being called in the load is functionally equivalent to the way it was called in the bad old days when all filesystems were statically linked. > So if I have a limited implementation, am not using a file system > type near the end of the table and don't plan on using a file > system type between the end of the table and the point I want > allocated, then it *is* possible to do this in a kinda half-assed > way. Take your obnoxious ad-hominem arguments elsewhere, please, Mr. Know-It-All. They are not welcome here. > Of course, the code is the only documentation for this information. Which is no surprise, since it was never documented anywhere. > slot when the time cane to use it, nor leave potentially confusing > mount_XXX mount commands able to make the mount() call but unable to > actually perform the mout for the FS in question. Which again is simply and utterly false, as five seconds of code inspection would have told you if you came down from your high-and-mighty seat and actually looked at it. > For instance, a union mount of a read only network volume and a local > disk for compilation of source should flag the mount as VFCF_NETWORK > by way of inheritance. This is an interesting idea. I'm not entirely sure I agree, but you can certainly make a good argument for doing this. > Probably this wants to be a flag in the mount structure that is > inherited from the file system type(s) being mounted, potentiall > as multiple mounts being represented as a union. This seems entirely reasonable if you accept the premise. -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 08:18:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA02329 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:18:35 -0700 Received: from devnull (devnull.mpd.tandem.com [131.124.4.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA02323 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 08:18:33 -0700 Received: from olympus by devnull (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA05352; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:18:08 -0500 Received: by olympus (4.1/TSS2.1) id AA25014; Thu, 3 Aug 95 10:18:19 CDT From: faulkner@mpd.tandem.com (Boyd Faulkner) Message-Id: <9508031518.AA25014@olympus> Subject: It seems the mail archive is down. To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:18:18 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 288 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I couldn't even get hits from questions with FreeBSD in them. Boyd -- _______________________________________________________________________ Boyd Faulkner - faulkner@isd.tandem.com - http://cactus.org/~faulkner _______________________________________________________________________ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 09:19:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA04695 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:19:35 -0700 Received: from distortion.eng.umd.edu (distortion.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.6]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA04689 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:19:33 -0700 Received: from cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (cappuccino.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.14]) by distortion.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA06469 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:19:30 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by cappuccino.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id MAA00215; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:19:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: Kernel problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I'm having kernel building problems under the 0622 snap. Soon as I fix them, I'm gonna upgrade, using CTM, but I'd really appreciate it if someone would look at them with me. This is a report, I think maybe you guys were real busy with the NFS problems, so below is the text of my previous posting. Actually, I sent it to hackers, but I am thinking that maybe it belonged here better. Anyways, here it is: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >From chuckr@Glue.umd.eduWed Aug 2 23:03:56 1995 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 1995 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD-Hackers@FreeBSD.org Subject: Making a 0622-snap kernel I am having trouble making a kernel for my 0622 snap system, or rather, getting it to work right. If I give it a name other than kernel, stow it into /, and manually start it, it works fine. If I use make install to install it into /kernel, and just boot once, it works fine. If I then do any reasonable file work (in my experimentation, I installed /usr/ports/graphics/tiff) then it panics, with the warning: PANIC: pmap_copy_page: CMAP busy. This won't happen if I have it working as something other than /kernel, no matter how hard I beat it, and it only dies (if it's /kernel) on the 2nd boot, after some filesystem work. Does anyone have any idea what it could be? BTW, it's very repeatable, I've rebooted again and again all afternoon. The panic shows up on boot, after the fsck's, just before the net starts. Below, I'll describe my machine, then include the config file. VLB bus 486-66 with 20 megs RAM. Genoa VGA. Adaptec 1542C at 0x130, irq 11, drq 5. I'm not using the normal port of 0x330 because it conflicts with the soundblaster. SoundBlaster 16, at irq 5, 0x300. 2 floppies, 1 gig Seagate SCSI-2 disk. # # CHUCKR -- Dervied from GENERIC with adds from LINT # # $Id: CHUCKR,v 1.46 1995/06/11 19:31:11 chuckr Exp $ # machine "i386" cpu "I486_CPU" ident CHUCKR maxusers 10 options GPL_MATH_EMULATE #GNU Math Coprocessor Emulation options INET #InterNETworking options FFS #Berkeley Fast Filesystem options NFS #Network Filesystem options MSDOSFS #MSDOS Filesystem options "CD9660" #ISO 9660 Filesystem options PROCFS #Process filesystem options "COMPAT_43" #Compatible with BSD 4.3 options "SCSI_DELAY=15" #Be pessimistic about Joe SCSI device #Oh, it's not that bad options BOUNCE_BUFFERS #include support for DMA bounce buffers options UCONSOLE #Allow users to grab the console options SCSI_REPORT_GEOMETRY #always report SCSI geometry on boot # options "AUTO_EOI_1" #speed up interrupts using 1-8 options "CHILD_MAX=128" options "OPEN_MAX=128" options SYSVSHM options SYSVSEM options SYSVMSG config kernel root on sd0 controller isa0 controller fdc0 at isa? port "IO_FD1" bio irq 6 drq 2 vector fdintr disk fd0 at fdc0 drive 0 disk fd1 at fdc0 drive 1 #controller aha0 at isa? port "IO_AHA0" bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr controller aha0 at isa? port 0x130 bio irq ? drq 5 vector ahaintr controller scbus0 device sd0 device cd0 #Only need one of these, the code dynamically grows # syscons is the default console driver, resembling an SCO console device sc0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty irq 1 vector scintr device npx0 at isa? port "IO_NPX" irq 13 vector npxintr device sio0 at isa? port "IO_COM1" tty irq 4 vector siointr device sio1 at isa? port "IO_COM2" tty irq 3 vector siointr device lpt0 at isa? port? tty irq 7 vector lptintr # Order is important here due to intrusive probes, do *not* alphabetize # this list of network interfaces until the probes have been fixed. # Right now it appears that the ie0 must be probed before ep0. See # revision 1.20 of this file. device ed0 at isa? port 0x280 net irq 5 iomem 0xd8000 vector edintr # # Sound Card Setup! # controller snd0 device sb0 at isa? port 0x220 irq 9 drq 3 vector sbintr device sbxvi0 at isa? drq 6 device sbmidi0 at isa? port 0x330 device opl0 at isa? port 0x388 pseudo-device loop pseudo-device ether pseudo-device log # pseudo-device sl 1 # ijppp uses tun instead of ppp device #pseudo-device ppp 1 pseudo-device tun 1 pseudo-device pty 24 pseudo-device gzip # Exec gzipped a.out's ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0R) and n3lxx (301) 220-2114 | (FreeBSD 2.0.5-snap) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 09:54:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA05527 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:54:48 -0700 Received: from dfw.net (dfw.net [198.175.15.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA05520 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 09:54:47 -0700 Received: by dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00541; Thu, 3 Aug 95 11:53:18 CDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 11:53:18 CDT From: cl@dfw.net (Cyber Link) Message-Id: <9508031653.AA00541@dfw.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: modem answer Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk mail cl@dfw.net.. thanks From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 10:11:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA06012 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:11:53 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA06006 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:11:50 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09618; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:08:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:08:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... (LONG reply) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Aaron Elliott. wrote: > I reconfigured the kernal with the gateway option set, and booted on > it, but still didnt seem to comply! I also have "options IPFORWARDING" configured in. I'm not sure what this does, but the last time I scanned for it (to see if it had been totally eliminated) I found it all over the networking code, so I went ahead and left it in. > Do you use sliplogin?? becasue i dont.. I have ifconfig sl0 bla bla > in netstart along with the arp stuff too.. Is this the way to do it > or should i be using sliplogin as well? The docs arent to clear on > this topic. No, I subnetted my network and used sliplogin (which invokes ifconfig to install the route). I've since switched to PPP using pppd, and will proabaly investigate ijppp when I upgrade my router host to 2.0.5R. I don't understand why proxy arp is an issue here. If you have a single host behind the slip server host then you should be able to start the slip server code (via sliplogin) and it should install a proxy arp and a route for the single host for you. That is, if you have this situation: +-------------+ | target host | +-----+-------+ | // slip link | +-------------+ | slip server | +-------+-----+ | +-----+--------+-------------+ ethernet | +----+-------+ | IP router | +----+-------+ | V rest of the network then sliplogin should install a proxy arp entry for target host into slip server's arp table and a route to target host in its routing tables. That way slip server will respond to arps issued on ethernet and properly send the packets. If you set up slip according to the basic guidelines, then this should be pretty trivial. Things get more interesting when you want to do: +----------+--------------+ subnet | +------+------+ | target host | +-----+-------+ | // slip link | +-------------+ | slip server | +-------+-----+ | +-----+--------+-------------+ ethernet | +----+-------+ | IP router | +----+-------+ | V rest of the network In this case both slip server and target host have to be IP routers. Assuming you want to use the same IP network number for subnet and ethernet, then you have two choices: 1. Subnet the network number using a subnet mask, then use one subnet for ethernet and one for subnet. slip link goes into ethernet's subnet. Run a routing protocol between target host, slip server, and IP router (in this example IP router be aware of the subnetting, so it should probably have the same subnet mask on its interface to ethernet as slip server and targe host. For example, say you have a class C network 200.200.200.0. You can split your block in half with mask 0xfffffff0. You might then subnet as ip router ethernet 200.200.200.1 0xfffffff0 slip server ethernet 200.200.200.2 0xfffffff0 target host slip 200.200.200.3 0xfffffff0 target host ethernet 200.200.200.129 0xfffffff0 Then run a routing protocol like RIP (e.g. routed) to tell everyone where everything is. 2. You can fool around with ARP tables and routes to get this to work (that's what I did originally), but it's messy and doesn't scale. What you can do is put in an ARP and a route in slip server's tables for each address you're going to use on subnet. On target host you'll need arp entries and routes for each address you use on ethernet. Again, both slip server and target host have to be set up with routing enabled. You wouldn't actually subnet - that is, for a class C network number you'd use the default mask of 0xffffff00, for class B use 0xffff0000, etc. It works, but everything's manual... As I said I did [2] initially, but it was constantly breaking and I had to do too many changes as we added lots of nodes; eventually it just became unworkable and I broke down and subnetted our network. Now everything works like it's supposed do, I don't get any broken paths, and I don't have to manually deal with all this stuff. Anyway, I realize this is a bit on the long side; hope it helps!! Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www.eco.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 10:29:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA06670 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:29:17 -0700 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06664 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:29:15 -0700 Received: by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.3.6) id AA20355; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:29:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:29:08 -0400 From: Garrett Wollman Message-Id: <9508031729.AA20355@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> To: "Michael C. Newell" Cc: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... (LONG reply) In-Reply-To: References: Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk < said: > 2. You can fool around with ARP tables and routes to get this to work (that's > what I did originally), but it's messy and doesn't scale. What you can do > is put in an ARP and a route in slip server's tables for each address you're > going to use on subnet. On target host you'll need arp entries and > routes for each address you use on ethernet. Again, both slip server and > target host have to be set up with routing enabled. You wouldn't > actually subnet - that is, for a class C network number you'd use the > default mask of 0xffffff00, for class B use 0xffff0000, etc. It works, > but everything's manual... Actually, no it isn't. We had precisely this problem, and the code to fix it is enabled by adding: options ARP_PROXYALL to your kernel configuration file. This is very useful when you don't have control over the main router on your super-subnet. Of course, in this case, you would still need to subnet your network; all this technique allows you to do is avoid reconfiguring a hundred machines over which you may not have any control. In our environment, this code is used to connect the 18.26.64 and 18.26.128 subsubnets to the 18.26.0 subsubnet. (That machine is also a multicast router.) -GAWollman -- Garrett A. Wollman | Shashish is simple, it's discreet, it's brief. ... wollman@lcs.mit.edu | Shashish is the bonding of hearts in spite of distance. Opinions not those of| It is a bond more powerful than absence. We like people MIT, LCS, ANA, or NSA| who like Shashish. - Claude McKenzie + Florent Vollant From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 10:34:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA06843 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:34:11 -0700 Received: from dfw.net (dfw.net [198.175.15.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA06836 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:34:09 -0700 Received: by dfw.net (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01987; Thu, 3 Aug 95 12:32:41 CDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 12:32:41 CDT From: cl@dfw.net (Cyber Link) Message-Id: <9508031732.AA01987@dfw.net> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: modem problems Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Ok the problem i am having is that the modem answers but gives garbage. i am running a ZOOM 28.8k modem some one please help! From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 10:35:04 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA06927 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:35:04 -0700 Received: from lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (lupine.nsi.nasa.gov [198.116.2.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA06921 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:35:02 -0700 Received: (from mnewell@localhost) by lupine.nsi.nasa.gov (8.6.12/8.6.12) id NAA09733; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:32:47 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:32:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Michael C. Newell" To: Garrett Wollman cc: aarone@homer.prahran.swin.edu.au, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: SLIP routing on internet.... (LONG reply) In-Reply-To: <9508031729.AA20355@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Garrett Wollman wrote: > > 2. You can fool around with ARP tables and routes to get this to work (that's > > what I did originally), but it's messy and doesn't scale. What you can do > > is put in an ARP and a route in slip server's tables for each address you're > > going to use on subnet. On target host you'll need arp entries and > > routes for each address you use on ethernet. Again, both slip server and > > target host have to be set up with routing enabled. You wouldn't > > actually subnet - that is, for a class C network number you'd use the > > default mask of 0xffffff00, for class B use 0xffff0000, etc. It works, > > but everything's manual... > > Actually, no it isn't. We had precisely this problem, and the code to > fix it is enabled by adding: > > options ARP_PROXYALL > > to your kernel configuration file. This is very useful when you don't > have control over the main router on your super-subnet. Of course, in > this case, you would still need to subnet your network; all this > technique allows you to do is avoid reconfiguring a hundred machines > over which you may not have any control. In our environment, this > code is used to connect the 18.26.64 and 18.26.128 subsubnets to the > 18.26.0 subsubnet. (That machine is also a multicast router.) Way cool!! Thanks for the pointer... :-) Thanks, Mike +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ |Mike Newell | The opinions expressed herein are | |NASA Science Internet Network Systems | my own, and do not necessarily | |Sterling Software, Inc. | reflect those of the NSI program, | |MNewell@nsipo.nasa.gov | Sterling Software, NASA, or anyone | |+1-202-434-8954 | else. | +--------------------------------------+------------------------------------+ | work: http://www.eco.nsi.nasa.gov/~mnewell | | home: http://www.newell.arlington.va.us | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 10:42:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA07218 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:42:47 -0700 Received: from sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA07212 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:42:44 -0700 Received: from robeson.brooklyn.cuny.edu (robeson.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu) by sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1a) id AA17503; Thu, 3 Aug 95 13:43:41 EDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 13:43:41 EDT From: dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (Dayton Clark) Message-Id: <9508031743.AA17503@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Received: by robeson.brooklyn.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15897; Thu, 3 Aug 95 13:42:31 EDT To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: BPF Berkeley Packet Filter Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I've been searching, without luck, for information on the Berkeley Packet Filter stuff in the kernel's net directory. Anyone have a pointer? thanks dayton _________ _____/ D \_____________ | | | Dayton Clark | | CIS Department | | Brooklyn College/CUNY | | Brooklyn, New York 11210 | | | | 718/951-4811 | | dayton@brooklyn.cuny.edu | |___________________________| From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 11:01:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA08047 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:01:55 -0700 Received: from VAXTM1.RTPNC.EPA.GOV (vaxtm1.rtpnc.epa.gov [134.67.208.95]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA08041 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:01:54 -0700 From: REEDHW@vegas1.las.epa.gov Received: from vegas1.las.epa.gov by epavax.rtpnc.epa.gov (PMDF V4.3-10 #5309) id <01HTN0K2H1I88XCLSC@epavax.rtpnc.epa.gov>; Thu, 03 Aug 1995 14:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vegas1.las.epa.gov by vegas1.las.epa.gov (PMDF V4.2-14 #8615) id <01HTMU8ENJDS99EGDV@vegas1.las.epa.gov>; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:03:25 PDT Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 11:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lite-2 ?? To: questions@FreeBSD.org Message-id: <01HTMU8EOCBM99EGDV@vegas1.las.epa.gov> X-Envelope-to: questions@FreeBSD.org X-VMS-To: IN%"questions@FreeBSD.org" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Over the last few months I've seen reference to an up and coming CSRG? distribution named "Lite-2". Can someone elaborate a bit on this distribution and how it will effect FreeBSD? Thanks, Harry Reed reedhw@vegas1.las.epa.gov From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 11:29:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA09704 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:29:21 -0700 Received: from elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (surfs-up.demon.co.uk [158.152.128.94]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA09698 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:29:16 -0700 Received: (from nik@localhost) by elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01563 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:28:37 GMT From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <199508031728.RAA01563@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Subject: /etc/start_if.foo and /etc/sysconfig To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:28:36 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1181 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do, Probably a stupid question, but what's the relationship between /etc/sysconfig and /etc/start_if.foo? As I understand it, if I have to do simple configuration of an interface (that can occur in one ifconfig line) then put the line in the ifconfig_foo variable and let /etc/netstart take care of it. However, if my needs are slightly more complicated (configuring an interface with several IP aliases for example) then I should forget about ifconfig_foo and put *all* the commands in /etc/start_if.foo? Or should I put the generic configuration in /etc/sysconfig, and any extra stuff in the start_if.foo? Which would strike me as odd as the start_if.foo scripts are called before the information gathered from /etc/sysconfig is used? I realise this may just be a question of style, but I was wondering which approach other admins are taking. N -- --+=[ Nik Clayton System Administration, Blueberry Design Ltd, ]=+-- --+=[ nik@blueberry.co.uk 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre ]=+-- --+=[ root@blueberry.co.uk London, SW10 0XE. Tel: 0171 351 3313 ]=+-- "It's two o'clock in the morning. . . do you know where your stack pointer is?" From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 12:45:08 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA00229 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:45:08 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA00223 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:45:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:39:25 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Michael Smith cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Some questions In-Reply-To: <199508030927.SAA02952@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Michael Smith wrote: > -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > > Your best bet here is to go buy the O'Reilly DNS and Bind book. Setting > > > up a DNS is not a trivial task, and attempting to write about in in a mail > > > message is suicide for the fingers. > > > > Can these be found in bookstores though besides mail-ordering > > it? I know a DNS is not easy but a example setup would be easier to > > learn from. > > Yup, any halfway decent bookstore should have the O'reilly books, or be > able to get them. http://www.ora.com may be easier if you're web-literate. Hmmm, okay. How much does this book cost? > > Hmmm, okay will SLiRP actually do real ip addresses for the slip/ppp > > since I thought SLiRP was a emulator like TIA? > > SLiRP doesn't give a stuff about IP addresses, it uses whatever the client > machine claims to be. If you want to do more than feed a single client, > then you'll need to do things 'properly'. Hmmm, is there anyway to set it up so that it will give the correct ip assigned to that person? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 12:48:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA00330 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:48:26 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA00320 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:48:24 -0700 Received: from martis-d222.sierra.net by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA11418 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:48:24 -0700 Message-Id: <199508031948.AA11418@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:51:59 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk serges@umr.edu quotes dyson@freebsd.org as saying: > > The current resident size of any given process can be obtained by using > > the ps command and looking at the RSS field. The RSS field only accounts > > for the pages that are currently mapped into the process and ignores > > any aspect of sharing or pages on disk. Is that resident in terms of pages actually occupied at the moment, or "resident" in terms of resident processes and their potential for occupying pages if all allocated pages were accessed? And how does this relate to the kernel deciding it needs to swap? --Jim Howard From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 12:52:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA09704 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:29:21 -0700 Received: from elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (surfs-up.demon.co.uk [158.152.128.94]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA09698 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:29:16 -0700 Received: (from nik@localhost) by elbereth.blueberry.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA01563 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:28:37 GMT From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <199508031728.RAA01563@elbereth.blueberry.co.uk> Subject: /etc/start_if.foo and /etc/sysconfig To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:28:36 +0000 () X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1181 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk How do, Probably a stupid question, but what's the relationship between /etc/sysconfig and /etc/start_if.foo? As I understand it, if I have to do simple configuration of an interface (that can occur in one ifconfig line) then put the line in the ifconfig_foo variable and let /etc/netstart take care of it. However, if my needs are slightly more complicated (configuring an interface with several IP aliases for example) then I should forget about ifconfig_foo and put *all* the commands in /etc/start_if.foo? Or should I put the generic configuration in /etc/sysconfig, and any extra stuff in the start_if.foo? Which would strike me as odd as the start_if.foo scripts are called before the information gathered from /etc/sysconfig is used? I realise this may just be a question of style, but I was wondering which approach other admins are taking. N -- --+=[ Nik Clayton System Administration, Blueberry Design Ltd, ]=+-- --+=[ nik@blueberry.co.uk 1/9 Chelsea Harbour Design Centre ]=+-- --+=[ root@blueberry.co.uk London, SW10 0XE. Tel: 0171 351 3313 ]=+-- "It's two o'clock in the morning. . . do you know where your stack pointer is?" From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 13:05:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA01034 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:05:43 -0700 Received: from io.org (io.org [142.77.70.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA01026 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:05:37 -0700 Received: from trepan.io.org (apollo@trepan.io.org [198.133.36.8]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA11772 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:05:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:05:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Herdman To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Formating a disk from scratch.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I wish to totally format a disk from scratch. And I need to know the steps on formating a disk entirly for FreeBSD from step 1. I don't want to use the installer, as it wants to install software before it even decides it wants to build the FS, besides i want to know how to do it by hand. Thanks Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 13:08:25 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA01142 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:08:25 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA01130 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:08:22 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA04428 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:39:59 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:41:19 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Michael Smith cc: FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Hardware problems In-Reply-To: <199508030928.SAA02963@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Michael Smith wrote: > -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > > You have a bad sector on your disk. Read the bad144 manual page for > > > one means of dealing with it, and the badsect manual page for another. > > > > Really? I never knew IDE Hard drives especially the new models > > have bad sectors on it... Hopefully the manual pages is self explanatary.. > > Thanks anyways! > > All disks have bad sectors; it's just that some deal with them better than > others. In your case, simply writing to the sector may be enough to > convince the drive to reallocate it, certainly few drives would > automatically reallocate on reads by default. I read the man pages but how do I use bad144 and badsect exactly? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 13:09:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA01333 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:09:55 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA01326 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 13:09:53 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id MAA04406 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:35:52 -0700 Received: from martis-d222.sierra.net by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA10594 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 12:34:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199508031934.AA10594@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: davidg@root.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:38:05 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > to do about it. Ironically, shared libraries are supposed to help this > situation, but in FreeBSD they are so un-optimally ordered that applications > wind up consuming as much memory as they would if built non-shared (static). > The solution to this problem is to order the routines so that commonly used > ones are all grouped together, and further group together related routines. > This is difficult for two reasons: first, we don't have the statistics to know > how to order the routines properly, and second, our library build procedure > really doesn't allow for this. > > -DG This is probably a duplicate message, and if so please ignore it. I'm still learning how to use my easy-to-use Windows software, as I haven't been able to get the user-level PPP package working on my FreeBSD 2.0 side (and was unable to build and run the 2.0.5 kernel due to numerous incompatibilities--who said it was a minor maintenance release?) Shared libraries in FreeBSD are MAPPED by ld.so using the mmap() function, with copy-on-write and text (code) pages marked read-only. That means that pages (4 KB chunks) are occupied as they are accessed, on the fly, and only the data and bss pages are duplicated, which means the whole thing works in as page-efficient a manner as is humanly possible, with virtually no human intervention. Anyway, that's how it's supposed to work, and mmap() syncs files on disk properly, so I have no reason to doubt it on this. I have 8 MB of RAM and 16 MB of swap partition, and from the sound of it, my machine acts a lot like machines with 32 MB! How can this be? My general impression is, that my system acts like the kernel were using the total amount of virtual memory allocated to processes, rather than the number of pages actually occupied at the moment, as the basis for deciding when to swap. Which is crazy. The whole idea of swapping is to swap out occupied pages, when no unoccupied pages are left available, to make room for pages that need to be occupied right away. With mmap(), which the kernel also uses internally to launch processes and give them additional virtual memory, pages only need to be occupied as they are accessed. Right? Am I missing something? From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 14:09:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA03578 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:09:41 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA03570 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:09:38 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA02768; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:08:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04549; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:10:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199508032110.OAA04549@corbin.Root.COM> To: jiho@sierra.net cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Aug 95 10:59:12 -0800." <199508031855.AA08146@diamond.sierra.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 14:10:16 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> to do about it. Ironically, shared libraries are supposed to help this >> situation, but in FreeBSD they are so un-optimally ordered that applications >> wind up consuming as much memory as they would if built non-shared (static). >> The solution to this problem is to order the routines so that commonly used >> ones are all grouped together, and further group together related routines. >> This is difficult for two reasons: first, we don't have the statistics to know >> how to order the routines properly, and second, our library build procedure >> really doesn't allow for this. >> >> -DG >> > >Wait a minute, in FreeBSD shared libraries are MAPPED in by >ld.so using the mmap() function, using copy-on-write with text >(code) pages marked read-only. That means shared libraries >are used in as page-efficient a manner as is humanly possible, >with virtually no human intervention. Physical RAM pages >(4 KB chunks) are occupied as they are accessed, on the fly.... >or at least, that's how it's supposed to work. Since mmap() >syncs properly with files on disk, I have no reason to doubt it >on this point. ... >Right? Am I missing something here? Yes, you completely missed the point I was making above. Shared libraries are large and contain mostly things that your program doesn't use. Since the routines that it does use are spread out over the entire library, applications tend to fault in a whole page of stuff when only a handful of bytes is actually needed. This has two affects: first, in a short time, the entire shared portion of the library is faulted in (and when considering all of the libraries, including X, might be megabytes more stuff than is actually needed), and second, applications end up consuming a lot more private memory because of the copy-on-write that occurs on the data pages and the sparse references to the .bss pages. All of this together results in little, none, or negative memory savings over simply having everything built non-shared (which implies that only those functions actually used by the problem will be compiled in). The only solution to this problem is to order the shared libraries in such a way that things are grouped to make accesses as concentrated as possible. That is what Linux does, and that is one reason why it generally uses less memory than FreeBSD. Another reason is that it's malloc actually works right (unlike ours which often uses twice as much memory as is needed). -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 14:55:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA04970 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:55:12 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA04957 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:55:07 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id RAA06952; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:50:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:50:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Formating a disk from scratch.... To: Andrew Herdman cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Andrew Herdman wrote: > I wish to totally format a disk from scratch. And I need to know the > steps on formating a disk entirly for FreeBSD from step 1. I don't want > to use the installer, as it wants to install software before it even > decides it wants to build the FS, besides i want to know how to do it by > hand. fdformat /dev/rfd0 disklabel -w -r /dev/rfd0 fd1440 > > Thanks > Andrew > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 14:55:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA05029 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:55:45 -0700 Received: from eclair.roanoke.edu (eclair.roanoke.edu [192.234.5.49]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA05021 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:55:39 -0700 Received: by eclair.roanoke.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA29541; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:54:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:54:20 -0400 From: thock@eclair.roanoke.edu (Tom Hock - D-tel) Message-Id: <9508032154.AA29541@eclair.roanoke.edu> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: CD-ROM access thru PAS 16D Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a PAS 16D card installed in my machine. I also have the pas0 driver loaded. I would like to know if and how I can access the CD-ROM drive that is attached to that board. I looked through the code, but did not see any- thing to lead me in the right direction. Thanks, Tom Hock - thock@eclair.roanoke.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 14:56:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA05098 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:56:59 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA05084 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 14:56:56 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id RAA06960; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:52:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:52:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Formating a disk from scratch.... (fwd) To: Andrew Herdman cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Andrew Herdman wrote: > I wish to totally format a disk from scratch. And I need to know the > steps on formating a disk entirly for FreeBSD from step 1. I don't want > to use the installer, as it wants to install software before it even > decides it wants to build the FS, besides i want to know how to do it by > hand. fdformat /dev/rfd0 disklabel -w -r /dev/rfd0 fd1440 newfs /dev/rfd0a > > Thanks > Andrew > > Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 15:24:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA05953 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:24:13 -0700 Received: from cs.weber.edu (cs.weber.edu [137.190.16.16]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA05946 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:24:08 -0700 Received: by cs.weber.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA27649; Thu, 3 Aug 95 16:16:58 MDT From: terry@cs.weber.edu (Terry Lambert) Message-Id: <9508032216.AA27649@cs.weber.edu> Subject: Re: Loadable kernel modules/filesystems To: wollman@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 16:16:57 MDT Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508031515.AA20210@halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu> from "Garrett Wollman" at Aug 3, 95 11:15:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4dev PL52] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > >> > So i can add frogfs to the kernel and mount a frogfs file system without > >> > having to recompile my kernel or modify system header files. > >> > >> Right, you can indeed do that now. > > > No, I can't. The vfssw and vfsconf arrays in kern/vfs_init.c are > > limited to MOUNT_MAXTYPE + 1 entries, and this + 1 entry is there > > soley to tag the end of the list for vfsinit() in the same file. > > #undef MOUNT_MAXTYPE > #define MOUNT_MAXTYPE however_big_you_want This is possible; the default should probably be larger in mount.h to avoid needing a kernel recompilation, if this is the way the table is going to be maintained. What is the change of changing the table to a linked list? The only impact would be on file system type lookup, which is only done on mount, load, and unload. All of which are allowed to be marginally slower than the minimum number of nanoseconds possible. The main magic here would be to use a linker set for the whole kernel to provide a list of subsystem meta-initialization routines to be called by the kernel, the entry points of which w ould add the entries in LKM style on a per file system basis, establishing the initial linked list. This would get rid of the majority of static initialization code in the vfs_init.c modules, as well as some of the other messy code out there. In fact, it would allow us to support/unsupport things like bus specific code without #ifdef's. > I think this is a remnant of a previous attempt on my part to only > give as an estimate the actual size of the entries that are present. > Note that slot zero is reserved; there's probably no point in copying > out the empty slot zero entry. Yeah; I didn't consider this a big issue; I'd really like to kill off the slotted table entirey. > > Even if you aren't, it bogusly causes the the mount command for the > > file system type used to provide bogus arguments to the stolen slot, > > Um, excuse me? Where did you get this idea? The filesystem is loaded > by the filesystem-specific mount command; it has no way of providing > any other sort of arguments. For the FFS and other currently supported file system types, at least, it provides an index of MOUNT_UFS in the VFS_SET argument, which really dictates the slot in which the file system must be loaded. Increasing MOUNT_MAXTYPE actually fixes the fact that in the current code, a dynamically loaded FS would overwrite first the devfs slot, then the union, then the cd9660, etc. Unless it also specified one of the slots using MOUNT_ manifest constants. As it is, the devfs can only successfully load in the devfs slot, etc.. That's what I meant. > > I won't even get into what happens with the pointer dereference > > on multiple type-specific vnodeops entries, except to say that > > only the first is handled correctly, the way that the vfs_opv_init() > > function is being called in the load. > > The way that the vfs_opv_init() function is being called in the load > is functionally equivalent to the way it was called in the bad old > days when all filesystems were statically linked. Actually, I loaded FFS as a loadable file system. It required setting up the ffs_vnodeop_opv_desc, ffs_specop_opv_desc, and ffs_fifoop_opv_desc and it seemed like the only one of these getting a vector allocated in vfs_init.c vfs_opv_init() when called from the kern_lkm load code was the first entry. When I turned on the DODEBUG messages, there was one "vector at ..." message per static entry loaded, but only one for all entries for the loaded module. If this is actually correct behaviour (?) then I'm wrong about where the problem is... that would put the error in the vfsinit() code instead. > > So if I have a limited implementation, am not using a file system > > type near the end of the table and don't plan on using a file > > system type between the end of the table and the point I want > > allocated, then it *is* possible to do this in a kinda half-assed > > way. > > Take your obnoxious ad-hominem arguments elsewhere, please, > Mr. Know-It-All. They are not welcome here. This wasn't an ad-hominim argument; I didn't try to assign blame. I have to agree in retrospect, that it probably was obnoxious, however. I appologize for that. But without your MOUNT_MAXTYPE increase, we are still talking a full kernel rebuild to load a new file system type without causing a conflict with a defined type, which is not a happy prospect. Even with it, the problems are not fully fixed. > > Of course, the code is the only documentation for this information. > > Which is no surprise, since it was never documented anywhere. I agree. I was commenting on it being non-intuitive where the "gotchas" were more than anything else. > > slot when the time cane to use it, nor leave potentially confusing > > mount_XXX mount commands able to make the mount() call but unable to > > actually perform the mout for the FS in question. > > Which again is simply and utterly false, as five seconds of code > inspection would have told you if you came down from your > high-and-mighty seat and actually looked at it. If I load three file systems in with an index of -1, I *can* demand load the cd9660 file system. However, in so doing, I will blow over top of the thrid new file system. Here is the code line from the file isofs/cd9660/cd9660_vfsops.c VFS_SET(cd9660_vfsops, cd9660, MOUNT_CD9660, VFCF_READONLY); And the code from kern/kern_lkm.c i = args->lkm_offset = vfc->vfc_index; [ i = MOUNT_CD9660] if (i < 0) { for (i = MOUNT_MAXTYPE - 1; i >= 0; i--) { if(vfsconf[i] == &void_vfsconf) break; } } if (i < 0) { return EINVAL; } [ i = MOUNT_CD9660] args->lkm_offset = vfc->vfc_index = i; vfsconf[i] = vfc; [ data overwrite ] vfssw[i] = vfc->vfc_vfsops; [ data overwrite ] Subsequent mount attempts on the third new file system will get the CD9660 code instead. This isn't an attempt to trash anyone, this is simply pointing out that a problem exists, and attempting to find a generally acceptable fix for it. Note that upping the MOUNT_MAXTYPE will just mean loading more file systems before the problem occurs. The fact that I loaded three was simply to demonstrate a collision with a configured file system type (CD9660). If I had picked the devfs instead, that would only require that I load one. I think you could argue for forcing an index of -1 for file systems compiled as loaded modules. If this was done in the mount.h code, then you'd lose some of the feature set intended to be in loadable modules (namely explicit replacement), but you'd resolve the conflict with an EINVAL error when the static VFS tables were full instead of causing a potential panic sitation. Combined with the MOUNT_MAXTYPE increase that you suggested, this would work around the issue, with the sole exception of the use of manifest constants for the FS specific mount commands system calls. If you don't object, I'd like to look at setting up per module meta initialization linker sets instead, and convert to a linked list by putting the entry itself on the list (using a reserved field in the per file system structure itself for the link vector). Regards, Terry Lambert terry@cs.weber.edu --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 16:31:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA07112 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:31:11 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA07106 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:31:08 -0700 Received: from martis-d225.sierra.net by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA27711 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:31:00 -0700 Message-Id: <199508032331.AA27711@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: davidg@root.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 15:34:28 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, you completely missed the point I was making above. > Shared libraries are large and contain mostly things that your program > doesn't use. Since the routines that it does use are spread out over the > entire library, applications tend to fault in a whole page of stuff when only > a handful of bytes is actually needed. This has two affects: first, in a short > time, the entire shared portion of the library is faulted in (and when > considering all of the libraries, including X, might be megabytes more stuff > than is actually needed), and second, applications end up consuming a lot more > private memory because of the copy-on-write that occurs on the data pages and > the sparse references to the .bss pages. All of this together results in > little, none, or negative memory savings over simply having everything built > non-shared (which implies that only those functions actually used by the > problem will be compiled in). > The only solution to this problem is to order the shared libraries in such > a way that things are grouped to make accesses as concentrated as possible. > That is what Linux does, and that is one reason why it generally uses less > memory than FreeBSD. Another reason is that it's malloc actually works right > (unlike ours which often uses twice as much memory as is needed). > > -DG Well, I guess that phenomenon helps explain why some processes show a larger "run time set size" than "virtual memory size" in the output from ps. But those differences are small, and they still don't explain the horrendous swapping generated by X, unless the decision to swap is totally blind to page sharing, which makes no sense. And don't FreeBSD and Linux pretty much use the same XFree86 libraries, with the same ordering of contents? It's supposed to be better with ELF, but the older Linux library scheme was a mess, it required libraries to load at fixed, bureaucratically-registered addresses. I had more trouble running out of swap with X under Linux than I've had under FreeBSD. About malloc(), whose and which malloc() are you talking about, and why doesn't it "work right"? This all seems to be degenerating into a useless flap without addressing the original issue much. I remember reading a gripe column in BYTE, where a networking support guy at Cray was complaining because customers wanted to run X on laptops and he couldn't do it for them. He recalled a time when X ran fine on Suns with 4 MB of RAM. Now we have a user who likes FreeBSD because it runs X fine with 16 MB (although others dispute that even with 32 MB). I don't see where the basic server (extensions aside) has acquired much new functionality to account for the difference. It's just quadrupled in size and extrapolated its RAM requirements. Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 16:34:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA07292 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:34:43 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07286 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:34:41 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA04210; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:29:13 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508032359.JAA04210@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Some questions To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:29:12 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 3, 95 03:39:25 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1630 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > Yup, any halfway decent bookstore should have the O'reilly books, or be > > able to get them. http://www.ora.com may be easier if you're web-literate. > > Hmmm, okay. How much does this book cost? No idea 8) I'd guess around the US$30 mark, but book prices here are horrendous. > > SLiRP doesn't give a stuff about IP addresses, it uses whatever the client > > machine claims to be. If you want to do more than feed a single client, > > then you'll need to do things 'properly'. > > Hmmm, is there anyway to set it up so that it will give the > correct ip assigned to that person? No, read what I said; It doesn't care. SLiRP performs all network actions on the host, as the host, it just repackages the data it receives and sends it down the wire to the SLIP client, and takes SLIP packets from the client and reperforms tha action as though coming from the host. The actual IP number used by the client is irrelevant, it never gets used anywhere for anything other than by SLiRP to send packets back to the client. I'd suggest reading the documentation for SLiRP if I'm not making sense, I think it does a much better job 8) > -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 16:42:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA07607 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:42:26 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07599 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:42:19 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA04238; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:36:50 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508040006.JAA04238@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: Hardware problems To: vince@penzance.econ.yale.edu (-Vince-) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:36:50 +0930 (CST) Cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: from "-Vince-" at Aug 3, 95 03:41:19 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1627 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > > > You have a bad sector on your disk. Read the bad144 manual page for > > > > one means of dealing with it, and the badsect manual page for another. > > > > > > Really? I never knew IDE Hard drives especially the new models > > > have bad sectors on it... Hopefully the manual pages is self explanatary.. > > > Thanks anyways! > > > > All disks have bad sectors; it's just that some deal with them better than > > others. In your case, simply writing to the sector may be enough to > > convince the drive to reallocate it, certainly few drives would > > automatically reallocate on reads by default. > > I read the man pages but how do I use bad144 and badsect exactly? Well, firstly, make a backup. Then, in single-user mode (for paranoia's sake) say : # bad144 -s -v /dev/rwd0s1c (or whichever slice you're unsing). (If you read the manual page, you will know that this scans the entire disk for bad sectors) If you can't follow the badsect manual page then I feel really sorry for you, it's the nicest piece of handholding I've ever seen in a sysadmin manual page. I can't vouch for the command _working_ of course 8) > -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 16:42:45 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA07652 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:42:45 -0700 Received: from io.org (io.org [142.77.70.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA07646 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:42:41 -0700 Received: from trepan.io.org (apollo@trepan.io.org [198.133.36.8]) by io.org (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id TAA10915; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:42:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:42:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Andrew Herdman To: "Jonathan M. Bresler" cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Formating a disk from scratch.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Jonathan M. Bresler wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Andrew Herdman wrote: > > > I wish to totally format a disk from scratch. And I need to know the > > steps on formating a disk entirly for FreeBSD from step 1. I don't want > > to use the installer, as it wants to install software before it even > > decides it wants to build the FS, besides i want to know how to do it by > > hand. > > fdformat /dev/rfd0 > disklabel -w -r /dev/rfd0 fd1440 > opps.... i suppose i should have mentioned SCSI hard disk when I made the request. Feeling dumb..... Andrew From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 16:49:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA08021 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:49:51 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA08015 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 16:49:49 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA04266; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:20 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508040014.JAA04266@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: BPF Berkeley Packet Filter To: dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (Dayton Clark) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:19 +0930 (CST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <9508031743.AA17503@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> from "Dayton Clark" at Aug 3, 95 01:43:41 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 616 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Dayton Clark stands accused of saying: > > I've been searching, without luck, for information on the Berkeley > Packet Filter stuff in the kernel's net directory. > > Anyone have a pointer? 'man bpf' > | Dayton Clark | -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 17:30:41 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA08957 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:30:41 -0700 Received: from vellocet.insync.net (vellocet.insync.net [204.253.208.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA08951 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 17:30:37 -0700 Received: from RANDY by vellocet.insync.net (TAA20342); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:27:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:27:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199508040027.TAA20342@vellocet.insync.net> X-Sender: rberndt@insync.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.1.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@freebsd.org From: Randy Berndt Subject: Only domain in sendmail 'from'. How? Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Right now, sendmail uses the format "Randy Berndt " as the From format in my mail (on a new net I am setting up). I would like it to read "Randy Berndt " instead. I looked at the rules and went totally cross-eyed. Can anyone tell me (step by step, please) how to set this? Thanks. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 18:59:58 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id SAA10491 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:59:58 -0700 Received: from localhost (jasper.ncbc.edu [199.86.32.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id SAA10485 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 18:59:52 -0700 Received: from topaz.ncbc.edu (topaz.ncbc.edu [199.199.28.100]) by localhost (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00187 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:59:53 GMT Received: from AGABUS/SpoolDir by topaz.ncbc.edu (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 95 20:57:48 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by AGABUS (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 95 20:57:45 -0500 From: "Sean McGee" Organization: North Central Bible College To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:57:39 -0600 Subject: routing problems Reply-to: smmcgee@ncbc.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: smmcgee@ncbc.edu X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <2192FE77653@topaz.ncbc.edu> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I have been using FreeBSD 2.0R happily since it was first shipped (6 -7 months ?). I've had no problems until now. ****My problem: (IP packets simply are not being routed through my router to the inet, even though router has no problem communicating with inet or hosts) Routing from my net (199.199.28) through my router (199.199.28.1) suddenly screeched to a halt. By this, I mean that none of my hosts on the network can reach the inet execept for a Novell server that runs Mercury for Pegasus (smtp mail gateway). I currently have approximately 50 hosts that use WWW, ftp, telnet software all the time. I can still reach the net if accessing directly from the console of the router machine (jasper). The interesting aspect is that the smtp gateway on my novell server (topaz) is still able to send/receive e-mail with no problem. ****What i've already tried: - I have rebooted jasper (router) several times to reset the sockets. - From my hosts, I can ping as far as the modem (serial port) on the router (199.86.32.171) - no further. - verified all connections (cards, hubs, etc) - verified consistency of inability to ping anything on the net from several hosts. - used packet sniffer to verify that packets were arriving at router and found that they were. However, router was not returning any packets to sending host. ****Useful info: - Nothing has changed on the router in the last 3 months - The newest addition to the net that could be the cause of the problem (by some stupid chance) is an HP-Laserjet 4SI MX PS. And this printer does speak tcp/ip. - Second newest addition to the net is a Win95 host, but this has been up for almost a month now. ************************************************** System: (router) - FreeBSD 2.0R - 2gig drive - Connection=dialup slip over 28.8kbps modem - Other networks on ethernet = Novell 3.11 (100 user) - Class C network = 199.199.28 (no subnets) - No local nameserver, we use service providers nameserver *************************************************** (internet) service provider (Skypoint) ----------------------------------|----------------------------- modem (199.86.32.1) | | (my net) modem (199.86.32.171) -----------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------- jasper.ncbc.edu (199.199.28.1 -router) **************************************************** jasper(11): netstat -ain Name Mtu Network Address Ipkts Ierrs Opkts Oerrs Coll ed0 1500 00.00.c0.b3.86.b0 713 0 105 0 0 ed0 1500 199.199.28 199.199.28.1 713 0 105 0 0 lo0 65532 20 0 20 0 0 lo0 65532 127 127.0.0.1 20 0 20 0 0 sl0 552 4 1 33 0 0 sl0 552 199.86.32 199.86.32.171 4 1 33 0 0 sl1* 552 0 0 0 0 0 jasper(12): netstat -rn Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface default 199.86.32.1 UGS 1 905 sl0 127.0.0.1 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 199.86.32.1 199.86.32.171 UH 1 0 sl0 199.86.32.171 127.0.0.1 UH 0 0 lo0 199.199.28 link#1 UC 0 0 ed0 199.199.28.1 0:0:c0:b3:86:b0 UHL 1 22 lo0 199.199.28.2 0:0:c0:9:a2:79 UHL 2 2066 ed0 199.199.28.100 0:0:c0:b:44:51 UHL 0 339 ed0 224 127.0.0.1 US 0 0 lo0 jasper(13): netstat -r Routing tables Internet: Destination Gateway Flags Refs Use Interface default skypoint-gw.skypoi UGS 1 905 sl0 localhost localhost UH 0 0 lo0 skypoint-gw.skyp jasper UH 1 0 sl0 jasper localhost UH 0 0 lo0 NCBC link#1 UC 0 0 ed0 jasper 0:0:c0:b3:86:b0 UHL 1 22 lo0 h002 0:0:c0:9:a2:79 UHL 2 2097 ed0 topaz 0:0:c0:b:44:51 UHL 0 339 ed0 BASE-ADDRESS.MCA localhost US 0 0 lo0 ********************************************** I've tried to include as much information as possible. Please let me know if there is something else you would like to know .......... besides the password for root. :-) Thanks for your time, -sean ------------------------------------------------------- Sean McGee Systems Administrator North Central Bible College Minneapolis, MN Tel: (612) 343-4751 E-mail: smmcgee@ncbc.edu sysadmin@ncbc.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 20:08:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA12894 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:08:05 -0700 Received: from mail.telstra.com.au (mail.telstra.com.au [192.148.160.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA12887 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:08:02 -0700 Received: from mail_gw.fwall.telecom.com.au(192.148.147.10) by mail via smap (V1.3) id sma000948; Fri Aug 4 11:53:16 1995 Received: from cdn_mail.dn.itg.telecom.com.au(144.135.109.134) by mail_gw.telecom.com.au via smap (V1.3) id sma002369; Fri Aug 4 13:05:33 1995 Received: from amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (amalfi.trl.OZ.AU [137.147.99.99]) by cdn_mail.telecom.com.au (8.6.11/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA02043 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:05:32 +1000 Received: from orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au ([145.136.55.131]) by amalfi.trl.OZ.AU (8.6.10/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA21779 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:05:29 +1000 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au by orca1.vic.design.telecom.com.au with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29102; Fri, 4 Aug 95 13:05:28 +1000 Received: from netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au [144.139.63.32]) by netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA13541 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:06:41 +0759 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:06:39 +0800 (WST) From: Terry Dwyer To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Hylafax, faxgetty and chat/slattach &%#$^&%$! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I've had slip using chat working well between two FreeBSD systems 2.0.5R <-> 1.1.5.1R for long time now. I'm currently trying to get Hylafax running but there seems to be a problem with the interaction between faxgetty and chat/slattach. I can use the identical port configuration with fax or slip (calling out from the 2.0.5R machine) with no problem. I can't dial out with slip while faxgetty is running, and you can't simply off the entry in /etc/ttys and kill -1 1 to remove the faxgetty process. The machine must be rebooted. I realise this has something to do with clocal being manipulated by the faxgetty running on the port slip is attempting to use. It is not possible to run faxgetty on ttydX and dial out on the matching cuaaX device at the same time - the cuaaX device remains "in use" while faxgetty is on the ttydX device. Has anyone managed to get these working? I am stuck with this and would appreciate any help. This is why I abandoned flexfax with 1.1.5.1R some time ago. I was hoping the new version would be better in this regard. _-_|\ Terry Dwyer E-Mail: tdwyer@netbsd08.dn.itg.telecom.com.au / \ System Administrator Phone: +61 9 491 5161 Fax: +61 9 221 2631 *_.^\_/ Telecom Australia Telstra Corporation MIME capable mailer v Perth WA ( I do not speak for Telstra or Telecom ) From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 20:09:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA12984 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:09:17 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA12978 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:09:16 -0700 Received: from martis-d220.sierra.net by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA11016 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:09:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199508040309.AA11016@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: davidg@root.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 19:12:39 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Yes, you completely missed the point I was making above. > Shared libraries are large and contain mostly things that your program > doesn't use. Since the routines that it does use are spread out over the > entire library, applications tend to fault in a whole page of stuff when only > a handful of bytes is actually needed. This has two affects: first, in a short > time, the entire shared portion of the library is faulted in (and when > considering all of the libraries, including X, might be megabytes more stuff > than is actually needed), and second, applications end up consuming a lot more > private memory because of the copy-on-write that occurs on the data pages and > the sparse references to the .bss pages. All of this together results in > little, none, or negative memory savings over simply having everything built > non-shared (which implies that only those functions actually used by the > problem will be compiled in). > The only solution to this problem is to order the shared libraries in such > a way that things are grouped to make accesses as concentrated as possible. > That is what Linux does, and that is one reason why it generally uses less > memory than FreeBSD. Another reason is that it's malloc actually works right > (unlike ours which often uses twice as much memory as is needed). > > -DG You know, I just double checked my ps readouts, and you've certainly got a much better point than my recollection suggested when I read your message. The "run time set size" values tend to be a LOT larger than the "virtual memory size" values, especially for the X programs (though not for the server itself). But doesn't each library file from which resources are linked get mapped in its entirety (all text, data and bss) into each linking process's virtual memory space? In that case, how could the "run time set size" be much larger than the "virtual memory size"? It simply represents how many pages of the virtual memory space are actually in core at the moment. And even though ps reports a "run time set size" that doesn't distinguish shared from private pages (so one would expect overlap between processes), why would it report pages a process hasn't accessed? In other words, if a process doesn't access an entire library, something less than all of that library's pages should be reflected in that process's "run time set size", even though the size of the entire library is reflected in the process's "virtual memory size". It makes even less sense than ever to me now! But even if you can explain that to me, I still don't see what it has to do with swapping. From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 20:09:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA13041 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:09:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (jasper.ncbc.edu [199.86.32.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA13027 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:09:39 -0700 Received: from topaz.ncbc.edu (topaz.ncbc.edu [199.199.28.100]) by localhost (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA00318; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:09:36 GMT Received: from AGABUS/SpoolDir by topaz.ncbc.edu (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:07:31 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by AGABUS (Mercury 1.13); Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:07:21 -0500 From: "Sean McGee" Organization: North Central Bible College To: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger), questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:07:17 -0600 Subject: Re: routing problems Reply-to: smmcgee@ncbc.edu X-Confirm-Reading-To: smmcgee@ncbc.edu X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Message-ID: <21A5920491D@topaz.ncbc.edu> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > I have been using FreeBSD 2.0R happily since it was first shipped > > (6 -7 months ?). I've had no problems until now. > > > ****My problem: > > (IP packets simply are not being routed through my router to the inet, even > > though router has no problem communicating with inet or hosts) > > Just guessing: > > It the kernel compiled with options "GATEWAY", and/or is > ip_forwarding enabled in the kernel? Yes, my current kernel and all configuration files are the ones I have been using for the past 5-6 months and I have had no problems with routing. My router just up and quit routing. This morning it was routing, tonight it's not. Tonight was the first time in a couple of weeks that I sat down at the console - so no, I didn't change something and forget about it. And yes, I am the only one that has access to it. thanks for the reply, though. -sean ------------------------------------------------------- Sean McGee Systems Administrator North Central Bible College Minneapolis, MN Tel: (612) 343-4751 E-mail: smmcgee@ncbc.edu sysadmin@ncbc.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 20:24:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA13526 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:24:32 -0700 Received: from gw2.att.com (gw2.att.com [192.20.239.134]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA13520 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:24:29 -0700 Received: from ihats1.ih.att.com by ig1.att.att.com id AA14253; Thu, 3 Aug 95 23:14:22 EDT Received: by ihats1.ih.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA11611; Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:14:47 CDT From: imdave@ihats103.ih.att.com Received: from ihats103.ih.att.com by ihats1.ih.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA11607; Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:14:46 CDT Received: by ihats103.ih.att.com (4.1/EMS-1.1.1 SunOS) id AA08406; Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:14:30 CDT Date: Thu, 3 Aug 95 22:14:30 CDT Message-Id: <9508040314.AA08406@ihats103.ih.att.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I thought I'd add a data point to the discussion regarding excessive swapping causes by X... Jim Howard writes in response to this issue: of excessive paging by X: >But those differences are small, and they still don't explain the horrendous >swapping generated by X, unless the decision to swap is totally blind to >page sharing, which makes no sense. TO add an additional data point to the fray, I'm running the june snap of 2.0.5, 16M, 128M swap spread accross 3 disks (one IDE, two SCSI's) with the drive LED's extended to the outside of my case so I can see disk activity. I normally run X with 3 opened xterm's, the window manager, the normal daemons, getty's, etc. I begin to swap once I start the third "cc -pipe". I've learned not to "gmake -jN" with N > 3. With three cc'c going, there's some paging, but it's intermitent, and does not seem to impact throughput. Once I exceed three cc's, then I see the xterm's being swapped out and a lot of thrashing as I move the mouse into and out of the xterm windows. So, I see no excessive paging problem with 2.0.5 running X on my system. Of course, I only began using FreeBSD 6 months ago with 2.0, so I don't know if it ran X better with previous releases. Dave Bodenstab imdave@ihats1.ih.att.com From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:05:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA15014 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:05:38 -0700 Received: from zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za [146.64.24.58]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15004 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:05:02 -0700 Received: (from jhay@localhost) by zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA04916; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:08:12 +0200 From: John Hay Message-Id: <199508040408.GAA04916@zibbi.mikom.csir.co.za> Subject: Re: Only domain in sendmail 'from'. How? To: rberndt@insync.net (Randy Berndt) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:08:11 +0200 (SAT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508040027.TAA20342@vellocet.insync.net> from "Randy Berndt" at Aug 3, 95 07:27:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 518 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > Right now, sendmail uses the format "Randy Berndt > " as the From format in my mail (on a new net I > am setting up). I would like it to read "Randy Berndt " > instead. I looked at the rules and went totally cross-eyed. > In sendmail.cf just put the netting.com as what your are masquerading, eg: > # who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) > DMnetting.com You can just search for the DM, it has nothing by default. -- John Hay -- jhay@mikom.csir.co.za From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:25:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA15565 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:25:47 -0700 Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15558 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:25:46 -0700 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id VAA06637 for questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:25:14 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199508040425.VAA06637@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:25:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199508032331.AA27711@diamond.sierra.net> from "Jim Howard" at Aug 3, 95 03:34:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1241 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Here's my own 1.5 cents data point on this memory hogging issue. I've used Linux a lot and now I'm starting to use FreeBSD a lot, and I can tell you the difference in memory usage is very noticable to me. I'm running the Mach64 server (albeit at 1280x1024) and right now it's using 19 Megs according to the VSIZE of "ps"... that's huge! I have 16 M of on-board RAM plus 41 M of swap, and I still run out of memory. That's ridiculous considering that I don't really do very much... :-) On Linux I almost never run out, and that's with only 16 M of RAM and 32 M of swap. > Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a > flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! Hmmm.. bad attitude! If Linux can do it right, then so can FreeBSD... or at least there is evidence that maybe FreeBSD can do it better. What if we ported Linux's libraries? Would that help? How hard would it be to replace the existing malloc() with GNU malloc()? What's up with the X server? Is that all because of malloc()? Yow. On a related note, does the kernel ever promise more memory than it can actually deliver? Or do all calls to malloc() reserve swap (at least)? In either case, is this behavior configurable? -Archie From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:28:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA15644 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:28:13 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15638 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:28:12 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA03252; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:27:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA13446; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:28:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199508040428.VAA13446@corbin.Root.COM> To: jiho@sierra.net cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Aug 95 15:34:28 -0800." <199508032331.AA27711@diamond.sierra.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 21:28:55 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >But those differences are small, and they still don't explain the horrendous >swapping generated by X, unless the decision to swap is totally blind to >page sharing, which makes no sense. It is escentially blind. The policy of which pages to reclaim is based on frequency of page usage, not on how many people have it mapped. Horrendous swapping? If that is true on machines with >=16MB of memory, then perhaps there is a problem...but that doesn't match my own experiance. >And don't FreeBSD and Linux pretty much use the same XFree86 libraries, >with the same ordering of contents? No. The way the shared libraries are built is completely different. I don't know if Linux orders their X libraries, but I have heard that they do order their system libraries (libc, etc). > It's supposed to be better with ELF, >but the older Linux library scheme was a mess, it required libraries to load >at fixed, bureaucratically-registered addresses. Having libraries at fixed addresses actually improves execution performance because the code need not be PIC (PIC consumes a register which is scarce on x86's). > I had more trouble running >out of swap with X under Linux than I've had under FreeBSD. That begs the question "Then why are you complaining?". :-) >About malloc(), whose and which malloc() are you talking about, and why >doesn't it "work right"? We use the Berkeley malloc by default which causes power of 2 allocations to allocate twice as much memory as is needed. It's a function of its design - it takes a few bytes more than it needs for the allocation, and the allocation buckets are power of 2. So a request for a power of 2 amount causes the allocation to fall into the next bucket (which is twice as large). >This all seems to be degenerating into a useless flap without addressing >the original issue much. > >I remember reading a gripe column in BYTE, where a networking support >guy at Cray was complaining because customers wanted to run X on >laptops and he couldn't do it for them. He recalled a time when X ran fine >on Suns with 4 MB of RAM. Now we have a user who likes FreeBSD >because it runs X fine with 16 MB (although others dispute that even with >32 MB). I don't see where the basic server (extensions aside) has acquired >much new functionality to account for the difference. It's just quadrupled >in size and extrapolated its RAM requirements. > >Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a >flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! There are different levels of "fine"ness. I had a VAXstation-2000 here for awhile. It runs a version of X11R3...and has only 6MB of RAM. It is absolutely DOG slow...and not because the CPU is slow, but because it thrashes constantly. Using it was an absolute pain. Similarly, a MicroVAX with 16MB of memory also paged a little when running X - especially once you start using things like gcc which is a complete memory pig (needing >3MB of memory). -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:31:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA15976 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:31:13 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA15960 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:31:11 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA03261; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:30:32 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA13459; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:31:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199508040431.VAA13459@corbin.Root.COM> To: jiho@sierra.net cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Aug 95 19:12:39 -0800." <199508040309.AA11016@diamond.sierra.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Thu, 03 Aug 1995 21:31:54 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >You know, I just double checked my ps readouts, and you've certainly >got a much better point than my recollection suggested when I read >your message. The "run time set size" values tend to be a LOT larger >than the "virtual memory size" values, especially for the X programs >(though not for the server itself). > >But doesn't each library file from which resources are linked get mapped >in its entirety (all text, data and bss) into each linking process's virtual >memory space? In that case, how could the "run time set size" be much >larger than the "virtual memory size"? It simply represents how many >pages of the virtual memory space are actually in core at the moment. Because mapped files aren't included at all in the VSZ reported by 'ps'. This is a bug and needs to be fixed. Someday. >And even though ps reports a "run time set size" that doesn't >distinguish shared from private pages (so one would expect overlap >between processes), why would it report pages a process hasn't >accessed? In other words, if a process doesn't access an entire >library, something less than all of that library's pages should be >reflected in that process's "run time set size", even though the size >of the entire library is reflected in the process's "virtual memory >size". Because FreeBSD maps all resident pages into the process at map time to drastically reduce soft page faults (and thus measurably improve performance). -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:34:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA16578 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:34:54 -0700 Received: from nero.uucp (dialup-pkr-2-8.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA16553 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:34:48 -0700 Received: by nero.uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0seERs-0004JUC; Thu, 3 Aug 95 23:33 CDT Message-Id: From: serges@umr.edu Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:33:28 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199508031934.AA10594@diamond.sierra.net> from "Jim Howard" at Aug 3, 95 11:38:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1065 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [deleted]> > I have 8 MB of RAM and 16 MB of swap partition, and from the > sound of it, my machine acts a lot like machines with 32 MB! > How can this be? I would say that if this is true, then somthing is wrong with the virtual memory or paging algorithm inside of FreeBSD. > My general impression is, that my system acts like the kernel > were using the total amount of virtual memory allocated to > processes, rather than the number of pages actually > occupied at the moment, as the basis for deciding when to > swap. Which is crazy. The whole idea of swapping is to swap > out occupied pages, when no unoccupied pages are left > available, to make room for pages that need to be occupied > right away. With mmap(), which the kernel also uses internally True, and what everyone seems to be saying is that due to the design of the shared libs, the core memory is saturated fairly quickly; on 8 MB systems as well as 20 and 32 MB systems; consequently producing page faults and thus swapping, and then the dreaded virtual memory exhaustion. Serge- From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:42:36 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA17608 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:42:36 -0700 Received: from oasis (oasis.txdirect.net [204.57.120.34]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA17602 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:42:33 -0700 Received: from oasis (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by oasis (8.6.11/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA00529; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:41:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:41:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Rob Snow X-Sender: rsnow@oasis To: Randy Berndt cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Only domain in sendmail 'from'. How? In-Reply-To: <199508040027.TAA20342@vellocet.insync.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Randy Berndt wrote: > Right now, sendmail uses the format "Randy Berndt > " as the From format in my mail (on a new net I > am setting up). I would like it to read "Randy Berndt " > instead. I looked at the rules and went totally cross-eyed. > > Can anyone tell me (step by step, please) how to set this? I'm not 100% sure but I believe that all you need to do is change the line: # who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) DM to DMnething.com This has worked fine for me I believe (look at the return line, I'm really rsnow@oasis.txdirect.net) --- Rob Snow rsnow@txdirect.net From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:55:30 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA18393 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:55:30 -0700 Received: from nero.uucp (dialup-pkr-2-8.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA18387 for ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:55:27 -0700 Received: by nero.uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0seElt-0004JUC; Thu, 3 Aug 95 23:54 CDT Message-Id: From: serges@umr.edu Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 23:54:08 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199508040425.VAA06637@bubba.tribe.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Aug 3, 95 09:25:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 924 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I've used Linux a lot and now I'm starting to use FreeBSD a lot, and I can > tell you the difference in memory usage is very noticable to me. This was why I originally followed-up here. The paging on FreeBSD *is* significantly *different* than that of other Unices running on the same machines. > > Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a > > flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! > > Hmmm.. bad attitude! If Linux can do it right, then so can FreeBSD... > or at least there is evidence that maybe FreeBSD can do it better. Ditto hmmm... Im optimistic that it *can be* improved for FBSD. Especially, since other BSD derived systems have found reasonable solutions for a standard hardware configuration. (SunOS 4.X comes to mind) [Deleted] > What's up with the X server? Is that all because of malloc()? Yow. :);) Good question. Serge- > > -Archie > > > From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 21:59:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA18658 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:59:52 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA18649 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:59:51 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508040459.VAA18649@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: archie@tribe.com (Archie Cobbs) Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508040425.VAA06637@bubba.tribe.com> from "Archie Cobbs" at Aug 3, 95 09:25:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1701 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > Here's my own 1.5 cents data point on this memory hogging issue. > > I've used Linux a lot and now I'm starting to use FreeBSD a lot, and I can > tell you the difference in memory usage is very noticable to me. > > I'm running the Mach64 server (albeit at 1280x1024) and right now it's > using 19 Megs according to the VSIZE of "ps"... that's huge! > The FreeBSD Berkeley malloc uses the buddy system. That is not VM space efficient!!! > I have 16 M of on-board RAM plus 41 M of swap, and I still run out > of memory. That's ridiculous considering that I don't really do very > much... :-) On Linux I almost never run out, and that's with only > 16 M of RAM and 32 M of swap. > Gnumalloc is better in many regards, alot worse in others. It is probably a better fit for X. > > Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a > > flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! > > Hmmm.. bad attitude! If Linux can do it right, then so can FreeBSD... > or at least there is evidence that maybe FreeBSD can do it better. > > What if we ported Linux's libraries? Would that help? How hard would > it be to replace the existing malloc() with GNU malloc()? What's up > with the X server? Is that all because of malloc()? Yow. > > On a related note, does the kernel ever promise more memory than it > can actually deliver? Or do all calls to malloc() reserve swap (at least)? > In either case, is this behavior configurable? Swap is NOT preallocated. I had some customers that used SVR4 in a fault tolerant application, and swap preallocation actually decrease reliability!!! (Due to Shared lib startup problems on malloc failure). John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 22:12:59 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA19131 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:12:59 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA19121 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:12:58 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508040512.WAA19121@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: jiho@sierra.net Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508040309.AA11016@diamond.sierra.net> from "Jim Howard" at Aug 3, 95 07:12:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1615 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk These issues regarding swapping are interesting, but I have some anecdotal evidence regarding the quality of hardware making a big difference in system perf. As you all know, I am a member of the FreeBSD core team and have alot at stake regarding my professional reputation. I work at a very big communications company and we had the need to put together a large (FreeBSD) Unix box and alot of small ones too. The small ones need to run X and Netscape in 8MB!!! To put it mildly, my coworkers were not impressed with the system performance (nor was I.) Well, I did a bit of analysis and found that the Connor 204 IDE drive was a bit slow :-). I installed a Quantum Fireball(?) drive and the system is now very snappy. :-). Problem solved... Note that we also upgraded the processor from a 486/33 to a DX4/100, and noticed only a minor difference in performance. I suspect that part of the reason for the varied performance reports has partially to do with disk performance among other things. Paging performance depends very highly on your disk performance and there is almost no way around that simple fact!!! I will also re-iterate something that I sent to someone in private email -- IF YOU ARE ALMOST RUNNING OUT OF SWAP SPACE, YOUR PERFORMANCE WILL SUFFER SIGNIFICANTLY!!! This has to do with the X server taking up all of the anonymous backing store and paging will then occur almost exclusively against vnode backed objects. This will kill performance because there are probably other swap-backed pages that could be paged out, but can't be -- thereby clogging up memory... John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-questions Thu Aug 3 22:16:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA19351 for questions-outgoing; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:16:28 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA19342 ; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:16:27 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508040516.WAA19342@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: serges@umr.edu Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 22:16:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "serges@umr.edu" at Aug 3, 95 11:54:08 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1240 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > > > > I've used Linux a lot and now I'm starting to use FreeBSD a lot, and I can > > tell you the difference in memory usage is very noticable to me. > > This was why I originally followed-up here. The paging on FreeBSD *is* > significantly *different* than that of other Unices running on the same > machines. > > > > Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a > > > flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! > > > > Hmmm.. bad attitude! If Linux can do it right, then so can FreeBSD... > > or at least there is evidence that maybe FreeBSD can do it better. > > Ditto hmmm... Im optimistic that it *can be* improved for FBSD. > Especially, since other BSD derived systems have found > reasonable solutions for a standard hardware configuration. > (SunOS 4.X comes to mind) > > [Deleted] > > What's up with the X server? Is that all because of malloc()? Yow. > > :);) > Good question. > There is almost *NO* conceivable way that the VM system or kernel can be causing the problem of the huge X server. Let's look at user-land where the problem is!!! (Actually, it appears that the VM system is doing a pretty good job considering what is being asked of it.) John dyson@root.om From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 00:01:27 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA24024 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:01:27 -0700 Received: from lisa.rur.com (G338.257.InterLink.NET [199.202.234.53]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA24018 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:01:24 -0700 Received: (from leo@localhost) by lisa.rur.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id CAA07451; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 02:27:13 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 02:27:13 +0000 () From: Leo Papandreou To: Rob Snow cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Only domain in sendmail 'from'. How? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Rob Snow wrote: > On Thu, 3 Aug 1995, Randy Berndt wrote: > > > Right now, sendmail uses the format "Randy Berndt > > " as the From format in my mail (on a new net I > > am setting up). I would like it to read "Randy Berndt " > > instead. I looked at the rules and went totally cross-eyed. > > Tell me about it. sendmail must be why unix admins get the big bucks. I was under the very same gun as you and after a cursory reading of the rules I said to myself, "myself...DOH!" So I slacked out and started pushing some of the more obvious buttons hoping something would work. Something clicked. > > Can anyone tell me (step by step, please) how to set this? > Well if you're setting up your own net then consider using a single machine as the mail hub. So lets say machine A is the mail hub. Then you'll need an MX record: yourDomain.suffix. MX 10 machineA.yourDomain.suffix (If your not running your own DNS then call up your provider and ask him/her to add one for you.) In machineA's sendmail.cf file change the line Cwlocalhost under the local info section to read ################### # local info # ################### CwyourDomain.suffix Now you need'nt touch any sendmail.cf on any other host. Mail destined for user1@machineA.dom or user2@machineB.dom or user3@machineC.dom, etc will be delivered correctly even if addressed as user1@dom, user2@dom, user3@dom. A mail hub is a flexible solution. Do it once and its sendmail schmendmail, /etc/aliases all the way :-) You know, in retrospect, sendmail is pretty much child's play. I should be getting bigger bucks. I'm not 100% sure either, BTW, but it seemed to do the trick. > I'm not 100% sure but I believe that all you need to do is change the line: > > # who I masquerade as (null for no masquerading) > DM > > to > > DMnething.com > > This has worked fine for me I believe (look at the return line, I'm > really rsnow@oasis.txdirect.net) > > > --- > Rob Snow > rsnow@txdirect.net > > From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 00:11:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA24569 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:11:00 -0700 Received: from lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw [140.109.7.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA24563 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:10:55 -0700 Message-Id: <199508040710.AAA24563@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: by lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16735; Fri, 4 Aug 95 15:00:40 +0800 From: Yen-Wei Liu Subject: Screensaver question To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 15:00:40 EAT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have set up 2.0.5R with the snake screen saver module, and with the LKM command I knew the module was loaded. But, it seems the FreeBSD snake never showed up as it used to in 2.0R. 1) How long does it take to make screen saver active ? What's the default value ? How can I know if screen saver is really up and running ? 2) How can I change the behavior of screen saver ? I remembered there is a control program in 2.0R but I could not find it any more in 2.05R. -- Yen-Wei Liu Internet e-mail address:ywliu@beta.wsl.sinica.edu.tw ywliu@gate.sinica.edu.tw FAX: +886-2-783-6444 From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 00:12:40 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA24671 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:12:40 -0700 Received: from conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu (conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu [128.205.7.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA24665 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:12:39 -0700 Received: (ozhas-c@localhost) by conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id DAA26341 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:12:34 -0400 From: Cihat Ozhasoglu Message-Id: <199508040712.DAA26341@conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu> Subject: Full memory not utilized To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:12:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 424 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I have a 486DX2/66 with 20 Meg of RAM but at bootup time FBSD shows 16 meg, why isn't remaining 4 meg not being "seen?" I have a isa bus (actually a custom local bus by Compaq). Is there anyway to make FBSD see the remaining memory? Are there maybe some options that one can include in KERNEL to achieve this? Thanks for your time. Cihat Ozhasoglu Dept. of Physics SUNY at Buffalo Buffalo, NY 14260-1500 U.S.A. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 00:16:38 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA25064 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:16:38 -0700 Received: from nero.uucp (dialup-pkr-2-8.network.umr.edu [131.151.253.26]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA25058 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:16:34 -0700 Received: by nero.uucp (Smail3.1.29.1 #1) id m0seGyV-0004JUC; Fri, 4 Aug 95 02:15 CDT Message-Id: From: serges@umr.edu Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 02:15:19 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199508040512.WAA19121@freefall.cdrom.com> from "John Dyson" at Aug 3, 95 10:12:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1962 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > These issues regarding swapping are interesting, but I have some > anecdotal evidence regarding the quality of hardware making a > big difference in system perf. As you all know, I am a member > of the FreeBSD core team and have alot at stake regarding my > professional reputation. I work at a very big communications > company and we had the need to put together a large (FreeBSD) Unix box > and alot of small ones too. The small ones need to run X and > Netscape in 8MB!!! To put it mildly, my coworkers were not > impressed with the system performance (nor was I.) Well, I > did a bit of analysis and found that the Connor 204 IDE drive > was a bit slow :-). I installed a Quantum Fireball(?) drive > and the system is now very snappy. :-). Problem solved... Note > that we also upgraded the processor from a 486/33 to a DX4/100, > and noticed only a minor difference in performance. > I suspect that part of the reason for the varied performance reports > has partially to do with disk performance among other things. > Paging performance depends very highly on your disk performance > and there is almost no way around that simple fact!!! I agree with all of your points, completely. However, my statements have been based on the fact that I have perceived a noticable performance difference in the area of paging, on the *same* hardware configuration while running a simular load on other Intel Unix platforms. Here the common denominator is the kernel and the 'userland' design. Id also like to thank those FreeBSD developers and others who have responded to this thread. Personally, Ill attack the situation from a user standpoint. I think reducing the size of my X server and recompiling with the gnumalloc with help. Also, I need to increase the size of my swap since the old rule of thumb that I was using doesnt seem to make much since on FreeBSD. Again, thanks for the pointers. :) Serges. > John > dyson@root.com > > > From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 00:20:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA25393 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:20:47 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA25387 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:20:45 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA03479; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:20:05 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA01568; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:21:29 -0700 Message-Id: <199508040721.AAA01568@corbin.Root.COM> To: Cihat Ozhasoglu cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Full memory not utilized In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Aug 95 03:12:34 EDT." <199508040712.DAA26341@conciliator.acsu.buffalo.edu> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 00:21:28 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have a 486DX2/66 with 20 Meg of RAM but at bootup time FBSD shows 16 >meg, why isn't remaining 4 meg not being "seen?" I have a isa bus >(actually a custom local bus by Compaq). Is there anyway to make FBSD >see the remaining memory? Are there maybe some options that one can >include in KERNEL to achieve this? Sounds like you have a Compaq machine. In -current you can specify options "MAXMEM=20480" and it will use it. In 2.1-stable and previous versions this doesn't work. -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 00:32:24 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA25860 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:32:24 -0700 Received: from btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de (btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de [132.180.8.29]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id AAA25854 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:32:18 -0700 Received: from btp1x5 (btp1x5.phy.uni-bayreuth.de) by btr0x1.hrz.uni-bayreuth.de (4.1/btr0x1 (UBTGW/btr0x1-2.4.7)) id AA01634; Fri, 4 Aug 95 09:32:09 +0200 Received: by btp1x5; (5.65/1.1.8.2/13Mar95-1216PM) id AA01632; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:35:59 +0100 From: griessl Message-Id: <9508040835.AA01632@btp1x5> Subject: Re: Screensaver question To: ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw (Yen-Wei Liu) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:35:58 +0100 (WET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508040710.AAA24563@freefall.cdrom.com> from "Yen-Wei Liu" at Aug 4, 95 03:00:40 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 133 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk There is a line "blanktime= ..." in /etc/sysconfig for the blanktime in secs and also a "saver= .." for the type of server. Werner From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 01:11:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA27296 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:11:12 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id BAA27289 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:11:09 -0700 Received: from martis-d222.sierra.net by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA25059 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 01:11:03 -0700 Message-Id: <199508040811.AA25059@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: dyson@root.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 00:14:29 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk dyson@root.com says: > I suspect that part of the reason for the varied performance reports > has partially to do with disk performance among other things. > Paging performance depends very highly on your disk performance > and there is almost no way around that simple fact!!! One area in which FreeBSD has absolutely nothing to fear is performance. It runs circles around everything I've ever had on this machine, including DOS (although that by a lesser margin than the others). In fact, I was shocked when I discovered the paging that was going on with X, because I hadn't noticed it from the performance! The first performance problem caused by swapping was when I ran out of swap space, and a program got shut down on me! I actually considered the possibility that this was some kind of bogus reporting by swapinfo, some kind of "virtual paging" or something. It was hard to believe. Linux did a similar amount of paging and likewise ran out of swap space, but its disk access was so much slower that the thrashing was rather evident. I have a fairly fast SCSI drive (Micropolis 4110), but a ridiculously old SCSI adapter (Adaptec 1542B) that really gets in its way, and a 486DX/33 with 128 KB cache and 8 MB of DRAM, so we're not looking at high-end hardware. But I take issue with the (implied) notion that somehow if better hardware will patch things up, that means whatever the software is doing is alright. Frankly, I'm appalled at the unquestioning acceptance people express for X's in-core profile. Not everything is relative, you know. In any case, I seem to have stirred up so much dust here that I'm now very, very confused about where the line is between X and the FreeBSD kernel, in terms of responsibility for X sessions overrunning physical RAM. I don't know if it's your malloc() routine, or your shared library management, or something haywire in the way pages are allocated or recorded or reported, or just X and its clients requesting crazy amounts of memory. Enough wild statments have been tossed around that I know I won't rest until I've rummaged into the code in search of answers.... --Jim Howard From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 02:58:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA02063 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 02:58:00 -0700 Received: from rjo04.embratel.net.br (rjo04.embratel.net.br [200.255.253.244]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA02052 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 02:57:56 -0700 Received: (from uupmlgat@localhost) by rjo04.embratel.net.br (8.6.12/8.6.12) id GAA26594 for FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:57:34 -0300 >Received: by pmlgate.pml.com.br id AA10861; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:11:50 -0400 Received: by pmlgate.pml.com.br id AA10861; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 21:11:50 -0400 Received: by pwjsup.pml.com.br id AA00842; Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:29:16 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 20:29:15 +0100 (BST) From: "Paulo Wollny Jr." To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: New KERNEL configuration Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 776 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Hi All, I'm trying to reconfigure the kernel for FreeBSD 2.0, and after copying GENERIC to NEWKERNEL, alter including the line pseudo-driver ppp 4, typing config NEWKERNEL, make depend, and make, the new kernel begins to be rebuild, and after some steps, the error message: cc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11 *** error code 1 appears and compilations stops. Rebooting and trying again works for some more steps, and the the same error again. This procedure is repeated until the new kernel is created, installed, and after rebooting the new kernel works. Sometimes the error message above appears with fatal signal 10 Is there any special procedure in order to compile right? Any help is wellcome. Best regards, Paulo WOllny Jr. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 03:55:08 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id DAA04942 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:55:08 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id DAA04936 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 03:55:06 -0700 Received: from martis-d227.sierra.net (martis-d221.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA08146 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Aug 1995 11:55:43 -0700 Message-Id: <199508031855.AA08146@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: davidg@root.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Thu, 3 Aug 1995 10:59:12 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Confirm-Reading-To: jiho@sierra.net X-Pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > to do about it. Ironically, shared libraries are supposed to help this > situation, but in FreeBSD they are so un-optimally ordered that applications > wind up consuming as much memory as they would if built non-shared (static). > The solution to this problem is to order the routines so that commonly used > ones are all grouped together, and further group together related routines. > This is difficult for two reasons: first, we don't have the statistics to know > how to order the routines properly, and second, our library build procedure > really doesn't allow for this. > > -DG > Wait a minute, in FreeBSD shared libraries are MAPPED in by ld.so using the mmap() function, using copy-on-write with text (code) pages marked read-only. That means shared libraries are used in as page-efficient a manner as is humanly possible, with virtually no human intervention. Physical RAM pages (4 KB chunks) are occupied as they are accessed, on the fly.... or at least, that's how it's supposed to work. Since mmap() syncs properly with files on disk, I have no reason to doubt it on this point. The mmap() function is really quite marvelous; that and ffs are what have me hooked on FreeBSD versus Linux. So what's going on? I have 8 MB of RAM with a 16 MB swap partition, and my machine behaves the same as people describe with 32 MB! When running X, my machine behaves as if the FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem were using the amount of virtual memory given to processes, rather than the number of pages actually occupied, as the basis for deciding whether or not to use swap. Which is crazy, because the point of swapping is to free up occupied pages when none are unoccupied. Right? Am I missing something here? --Jim Howard From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 04:12:34 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA05988 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:12:34 -0700 Received: from syzygy.zytek.com (syzygy.zytek.com [140.174.241.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA05981 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:12:32 -0700 Received: (from melvin@localhost) by syzygy.zytek.com (8.6.8/8.6.6) id EAA04327; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:12:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:12:10 -0700 From: Stephen Melvin Message-Id: <199508041112.EAA04327@syzygy.zytek.com> To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: How to use Frame Relay line with FreeBSD Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Greetings, I'm setting up a system using FreeBSD and a 56K frame relay line to the rest of the world. This is a small IPP where most of the traffic will be between the FreeBSD box and the Internet, but there will eventually be other local machines as terminals. I'd like to minimize cost and retain the flexibility that we all know and love (I've been using FreeBSD in two different modem based installations for almost a year). Here are what I consider the options given my admittedly limited understanding of the situation: Option A: ----------- serial port ----------- 10bT >---| CSU/DSU |--------------------| FreeBSD |---------> ----------- frame relay ----------- IP $200 Option B: -------------------- serial port ----------- 10bT >---| CSU/DSU | FRAD |--------------| FreeBSD |-------> -------------------- PPP ----------- IP $1000 Option C: -------------------- 10bT ----------- 10bT >---| CSU/DSU | FRAD |---------| FreeBSD |-------> -------------------- IP ----------- IP $1300 Option D: ---------------------- 10bT ----------- >---| CSU/DSU | Router |------+--| FreeBSD | ---------------------- IP | ----------- $2000 | \------------> Option A would be preferred, but will it work? Can FreeBSD talk to the CSU/DSU directly? If not, option B is reasonable, but option C is only a little more expensive and avoids having to deal with a serial port on the FreeBSD machine (although two ethernet cards are needed). Option D is for only if nothing else works. ------- Stephen Melvin melvin@zytek.com From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 04:18:19 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA06303 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:18:19 -0700 Received: from clark.net (clark.net [168.143.0.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA06297 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:18:18 -0700 Received: (starner@localhost) by clark.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) id HAA25398 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:18:16 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:18:16 -0400 From: Mark Starner Message-Id: <199508041118.HAA25398@clark.net> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: MS Bus Mouse Content-Length: 330 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is the MS Bus Mouse supported under 2.1-..-SNAP? Considering my current problems with getting my COM port working, my next solution is a MS Bus Mouse, but it doesnt *look* like it is supported. I like the feel of the MS mouse over the others, but a guess a logitech will do *if* the MS mouse really isnt supported. thanks Mark From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 04:28:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA06729 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:28:43 -0700 Received: from Relay1.Austria.EU.net (relay1.Austria.EU.net [192.92.138.47]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id EAA06723 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:28:41 -0700 From: marino.ladavac@aut.alcatel.at Received: from aut.alcatel.at (dnisun.aut.alcatel.at) by Relay1.Austria.EU.net with SMTP id AA05980 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:28:00 +0200 Received: from atuhc16 by aut.alcatel.at (4.1/SMI-4.1/AAA-1.29/main) id AA16095; Fri, 4 Aug 95 13:28:07 +0200 Message-Id: <9508041128.AA16095@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Received: by atuhc16 (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA01932; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:28:36 +0200 Subject: Re: Forgetting MATH_EMULATE on 486SX To: taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw (Brian Tao) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 13:28:35 METDST Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: ; from "Brian Tao" at Aug 4, 95 6:08 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > I was installing a new kernel for the Big Boss today, mistakenly > thinking that his Compaq Prosigna 425 was a 486DX when instead it was > a 486SX. Without the x87 math emulation in the kernel, you are dead > in the water because /bin/sh will not run without it. /etc/rc dies > and the system attempts to go into singleuser mode, but of course that > runs /bin/sh, so you're stuck. > If the math emulation doesn't take up much more memory or increase > the kernel size too much, would it be a good idea to have it included > by default? AFAIK, it is in the GENERIC kernel. You have to disable npx device. /Alby > -- > Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao > taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 04:53:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA07429 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:53:00 -0700 Received: from aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw ([140.109.40.248]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA07423 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:52:55 -0700 Received: (from taob@localhost) by aries.ibms.sinica.edu.tw (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA17831; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:52:25 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:52:25 +0800 (CST) From: Brian Tao To: marino.ladavac@aut.alcatel.at cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Forgetting MATH_EMULATE on 486SX In-Reply-To: <9508041128.AA16095@atuhc16.aut.alcatel.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Aug 1995 marino.ladavac@aut.alcatel.at wrote: > > AFAIK, it is in the GENERIC kernel. You have to disable npx device. It is, but I took it out of the kernel I was building for the Compaq (it's a Presario 425, not a Prosignia as a previously reported). I needed to add the PS/2 mouse driver to it anyway, so I figured I'd remove some of the unwanted drivers. At least the GENERIC kernel was still on disk so I could just reboot off that and build a new one. -- Brian ("Though this be madness, yet there is method in't") Tao taob@gate.sinica.edu.tw <-- work ........ play --> taob@io.org From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 04:56:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA07657 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:56:12 -0700 Received: from relay.philips.nl (relay.philips.nl [130.144.65.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA07651 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 04:56:10 -0700 Received: from knox.pcec.philips.com ([130.140.74.243]) by relay.philips.nl (8.6.9/8.6.9-950414) with SMTP id NAA24762 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:55:37 +0200 Received: from eis16.philips.com by knox.pcec.philips.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26716; Fri, 4 Aug 95 07:53:25 EDT Received: by eis16.philips.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA22595; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:53:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:53:26 -0400 From: wolperte@knox.pcec.philips.com (ED WOLPERT ) Message-Id: <9508041153.AA22595@eis16.philips.com> To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Printer question (Appleimage writer on pc) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Folks- I've got an old imagewriter 1 (From apple) dot matrix printer that I would like to attach to my freebsd box. I've got a serial connection going to it, but if I try to echo to the dev (/dev/ttyd1) It either hangs the shell, or the printer would print a space, go backwards a space, and repeat until I reboot the unix box. (Turning off the printer, killing the echo statement doesn't work) Anyone do such a task? -- Virtually, Edward Wolpert ------------------------------- "The best way out is always wolperte@knox.pcec.philips.com | through." - Robert Frost wolpert@utk.edu | =============================== 'Give me a shell, and I'll Truth is what you believe. | give you the world.' (tm) ------------------------------- Fnord. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 05:33:30 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA08742 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:33:30 -0700 Received: from tusk.sgt.com (tusk.SGT.COM [204.107.130.104]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA08736 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:33:28 -0700 Received: from tusk (sargent@localhost.SGT.COM [127.0.0.1]) by tusk.sgt.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id IAA08000 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:33:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199508041233.IAA08000@tusk.sgt.com> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 08:33:23 -0400 From: Robert Sargent X-Mailer: Mozilla 1.1N (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: 3c579 doesn't work on Dell 450DE EISA box X-URL: http://www.cdrom.com/support_page/freebsd_support.html Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just tried installing FreeBSD 2.0.5 from the CD I bought from Walnut Creek and I can't get it to see the 3c579 network card. I also tried adding a 3c503 and it won't see that one either. Hardware is: DELL 450DE EISA 32 MB RAM Adaptec 1742 SCSI card 3Com 3c579 EISA card Does anyone have any ideas what I may be doing wrong? Thanks in advance- Robert From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 05:34:42 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA08769 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:34:42 -0700 Received: from starfire.mn.org (starfire.skypoint.net [199.86.32.187]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA08759 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:34:06 -0700 From: john@starfire.mn.org Received: (from john@localhost) by starfire.mn.org (8.6.11/1.1) id HAA02537 for questions@FreeBSD.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:32:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199508041232.HAA02537@starfire.mn.org> Subject: Any msgs users? To: questions@FreeBSD.org (FreeBSD questions) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:32:26 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 938 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Since I have been an over-user of /etc/motd, I thought I'd check out using msgs for our system. Out of the box, it could not create files in /var/msgs -- it is still not clear to me whether the directory should be suid someone or if it should be public read/write (the program does an setuid(getuid()) making a simple suid bit ineffective). It also seems to fail to recognize "Subject" lines in mail, and it doesn't strip headers, making mailed messages somewhat unwieldy. For the moment, I have put the original permissions back and am using "msgs -s" directly from a root command prompt to create new messages. If there are other msgs users out there (or wanna-be msgs users), I'll look at adapting, expanding, and improving msgs for our mutual benefit, otherwise I'll probably get along with the status quo for now... John Lind, Starfire Consulting Services E-mail: john@starfire.MN.ORG USnail: PO Box 17247, Mpls MN 55417 From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 05:46:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA09101 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:46:06 -0700 Received: from haven.ios.com (haven.ios.com [198.4.75.45]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id FAA09095 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 05:46:05 -0700 Received: (from rashid@localhost) by haven.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id IAA25513; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:48:46 -0400 From: "Rashid Karimov." Message-Id: <199508041248.IAA25513@haven.ios.com> Subject: Re: How to use Frame Relay line with FreeBSD To: melvin@zytek.com (Stephen Melvin) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508041112.EAA04327@syzygy.zytek.com> from "Stephen Melvin" at Aug 4, 95 04:12:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1143 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > Hi there, > Greetings, > > I'm setting up a system using FreeBSD and a 56K frame relay line to the rest > of the world. This is a small IPP where most of the traffic will be between > the FreeBSD box and the Internet, but there will eventually be other local > machines as terminals. I'd like to minimize cost and retain the flexibility > that we all know and love (I've been using FreeBSD in two different modem > based installations for almost a year). Here are what I consider the options > given my admittedly limited understanding of the situation: The thing is that Frame Relay imposes extra encapsulation on IP/whatever traffic , so you have to get the device which will be able to deal with it. DSU's themselves can't handle it and I'm not sure if there are the serial drivers with this functionality ( line discipline ? ). Futhermore there should be a way for you to tell to the whatever device you'll use the DLCI <----> IP addrs. configuration. Anyway, I'd rather go for some stripped version of Livingston or CISCO 2500 - with single serial port and ethernet. Should be somewhere in $2K range. Rashid From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 06:12:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA10426 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:12:50 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com ([199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA10417 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:12:48 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA14489; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:12:23 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199508041312.JAA14489@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: How to use Frame Relay line with FreeBSD To: melvin@zytek.com (Stephen Melvin) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508041112.EAA04327@syzygy.zytek.com> from "Stephen Melvin" at Aug 4, 95 04:12:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1209 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Stephen Melvin writes: > > Greetings, > > I'm setting up a system using FreeBSD and a 56K frame relay line to the rest > of the world. This is a small IPP where most of the traffic will be between > the FreeBSD box and the Internet, but there will eventually be other local > machines as terminals. I'd like to minimize cost and retain the flexibility > that we all know and love (I've been using FreeBSD in two different modem > based installations for almost a year). Here are what I consider the options > given my admittedly limited understanding of the situation: > > > Option A: > > ----------- serial port ----------- 10bT > >---| CSU/DSU |--------------------| FreeBSD |---------> > ----------- frame relay ----------- IP > $200 > Emerging Technologes has a sync serial card and drivers for FreeBSD that will support Frame Relay. I am considering building a 4 port T1 router using them. Mail to dennis@et.htp.com for more info. The Compatible Systems MicroRouter 900i is an inexpensive router, $1K list, that handles Frame Relay just fine. It will only go to 128Kb though. http://www.compatible.com for more info. John Capo IRBS Engineering From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 06:29:27 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA11079 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:29:27 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA11070 ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:29:26 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508041329.GAA11070@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: jiho@sierra.net Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: davidg@Root.COM, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508031855.AA08146@diamond.sierra.net> from "Jim Howard" at Aug 3, 95 10:59:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2415 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > Wait a minute, in FreeBSD shared libraries are MAPPED in by > ld.so using the mmap() function, using copy-on-write with text > (code) pages marked read-only. That means shared libraries > are used in as page-efficient a manner as is humanly possible, > with virtually no human intervention. Physical RAM pages > (4 KB chunks) are occupied as they are accessed, on the fly.... > or at least, that's how it's supposed to work. Since mmap() On FreeBSD, if the pages are already in memory, the pages are prefaulted into the processes address space. This elimnates lots of pagefaults at the very small cost of slightly longer (in the scheme of things) mmap times. > > So what's going on? I have 8 MB of RAM with a 16 MB swap > partition, and my machine behaves the same as people > describe with 32 MB! When running X, my machine behaves > as if the FreeBSD virtual memory subsystem were using the > amount of virtual memory given to processes, rather than the > number of pages actually occupied, as the basis for deciding > whether or not to use swap. Which is crazy, because the > point of swapping is to free up occupied pages when none > are unoccupied. > > Right? Am I missing something here? > FreeBSD does page when it is out of physical memory (or nearly so). It is about as efficient as it can be (throwing a bit more CPU at the problem). The actual amount of CPU used in the pageout daemon is less than earlier versions of *BSD because FreeBSD is more productive when in the pageout daemon and wakes it up less gratuitously. I will be including some improvements into the code for 2.2 that will improve it further. I think that you are seeing good performance because the page-in heuristics do apparently work well with modern drives. Many of the concepts in the pageout daemon are the work of DG and me, and it suprised me the performance differenc when using a more modern drive. (Actually, I was suprised at the LOW performance of an older drive.) FreeBSD is also very good a sharing pages. It is almost excessively good at sharing pages across parent/child inheritance (too good for its own health) causing something called the "collapse problem", which we fixed fully (finally) in 2.0.5. It would be interesting for you to periodically run pstat -s to see how much swap space is being occupied. I'll bet you that you have been paging and don't know it :-). John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 06:40:33 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA11536 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:40:33 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id GAA11530 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:40:32 -0700 Received: from sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (sivka.carrier.kiev.ua [193.125.68.130]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id GAA00530 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:40:08 -0700 Received: from elvisti.kiev.ua (root@localhost) by sivka.carrier.kiev.ua (Sendmail 8.who.cares/5) with UUCP id QAA26349 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:24:12 +0300 Received: from office.elvisti.kiev.ua (office.elvisti.kiev.ua [193.125.28.33]) by spider2.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.9) with ESMTP id PAA19228 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:42:35 +0300 Received: (from stesin@localhost) by office.elvisti.kiev.ua (8.6.12/8.6.9) id PAA24153; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:42:34 +0300 From: "Andrew V. Stesin" Message-Id: <199508041242.PAA24153@office.elvisti.kiev.ua> Subject: Re: Only domain in sendmail 'from'. How? To: rberndt@insync.net (Randy Berndt) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:42:33 +0300 (EET DST) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508040027.TAA20342@vellocet.insync.net> from "Randy Berndt" at Aug 3, 95 07:27:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha5] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 945 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk # # Right now, sendmail uses the format "Randy Berndt # " as the From format in my mail (on a new net I # am setting up). I would like it to read "Randy Berndt " # instead. I looked at the rules and went totally cross-eyed. # # Can anyone tell me (step by step, please) how to set this? # Go to a place where sendmail keeps the .m4 sources of it's config. I assume this to be /usr/src/usr.sbin/sendmail/cf/* Find a README there, and read it all twice. (Hint: in your case you need a MASQUERADE_ALL option). Than make your own copy of .mc source file and run m4 on it. Run diff on the result amongst the sendmail.cf now in present, you'll see some few rules added dealing with your occurence. If something doesn't work, feel free to ask me; I'm not a great guru, but I'll definitely try to help. # Thanks. # -- With best wishes -- Andrew Stesin, Elvisti.Kiev.UA sysadmin. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 06:43:06 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id GAA11702 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:43:06 -0700 Received: from sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (eastham.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu [146.245.1.21]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id GAA11696 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 06:43:04 -0700 Received: from robeson.brooklyn.cuny.edu (robeson.sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu) by sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1a) id AA20200; Fri, 4 Aug 95 09:43:41 EDT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 09:43:41 EDT From: dayton@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu (Dayton Clark) Message-Id: <9508041343.AA20200@sci.brooklyn.cuny.edu> Received: by robeson.brooklyn.cuny.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20515; Fri, 4 Aug 95 09:42:37 EDT To: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508040014.JAA04266@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> (message from Michael Smith on Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:19 +0930 (CST)) Subject: Re: BPF Berkeley Packet Filter Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk <.> From: Michael Smith <.> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:44:19 +0930 (CST) <.> Cc: questions@freebsd.org <.> Content-Type: text <.> Content-Length: 616 <.> <.> Dayton Clark stands accused of saying: <.> > <.> > I've been searching, without luck, for information on the Berkeley <.> > Packet Filter stuff in the kernel's net directory. <.> > <.> > Anyone have a pointer? <.> <.> 'man bpf' <.> <.> > | Dayton Clark | <.> <.> -- Thanks. I really did look but its on 2.0.5 not 2.0R. I've got the 2.0.5 disks, but not installed yet. thanks again dayton <.> ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ <.> ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ <.> ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ <.> ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ <.> ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ <.> From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 07:01:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id HAA12751 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:01:12 -0700 Received: from alpha.enc.edu (alpha.enc.edu [199.93.252.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id HAA12744 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 07:01:10 -0700 Received: by alpha.enc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03 rev 11/30/94) id AA26648; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:59:41 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles N. Owens" To: questions list FreeBSD Subject: qpopper and passwords Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi all, On my 2.0.5-RELEASE system I've installed the qpop package and am having trouble. When I try to connect from Eudora (Win version 1.4.4) I always am told that my password is wrong. I know that there is nothing wrong on the Eudora side because I have no problem connecting to an AIX box running a much older version of popper. Here's the debug output from a failed session: Aug 4 10:57:58 itsdsv1 -d[1776]: (v2.1.4-R3) Servicing request from "itsdpc2.enc.edu" at 199.93.252.238 Aug 4 10:57:58 itsdsv1 -d[1776]: -ERR Password supplied for "owensc" is incorrect. Aug 4 10:57:58 itsdsv1 -d[1776]: (v2.1.4-R3) Ending request from "owensc" at (itsdpc2.enc.edu) 199.93.252.238 Any idea what's wrong? Thanks, --- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Charles Owens Email: owensc@enc.edu "I read somewhere to learn is to Information Technology Services remember... and I've learned that Eastern Nazarene College we've all forgot..." - King's X ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 08:12:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA15623 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:12:18 -0700 Received: from Access.Mountain.Net (Access.Mountain.Net [198.77.1.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA15608 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:12:10 -0700 Received: (from jzimba@localhost) by Access.Mountain.Net (8.6.12/8.6.9) id LAA10229 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:14:08 -0400 From: Joel Zimba Message-Id: <199508041514.LAA10229@Access.Mountain.Net> Subject: syscons hw cursor To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: jzimba@cs.wvu.edu= X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1030 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, here's a proplexing one. 2.0 had a fine little hardware cursor that looked just like a cursor should. hardware driven, blinking, happy friendly. 2.0.5 has this line that is drawn there by some strange configurations options in syscons.h also, the hw cursor is placed at the lower left hand corner of the screen. Why someone would rather have a picture there instead of the real one I don't know It makes it damn had for my braille output device to track it, and reminds me of working on ibm mainframes or something, which ruins my day. anyway, there are a couple of options which I thought might control this. the is a CURSOR_ENABLE option which has a mask of 00200 or something. I guess this could be significant, but there is no comment associated with this line. also I can't set the dead_char to anything worthwhile. I tried 00 but that didn't work. I don't believe there is an ascii value associated with the real cursor. anyway, if anyone out there has a clue, a tip would be appreciated. tanks Joel From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 08:12:18 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA15625 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:12:18 -0700 Received: from aerodyne.technion.ac.il (aerodyne.technion.ac.il [132.68.147.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA15604 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:12:08 -0700 Received: from localhost (aerygis@localhost) by aerodyne.technion.ac.il (8.6.5/8.6) id SAA21041; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:11:03 +0200 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:11:02 +0200 (WET) From: Yuri Gindin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: How to label the rest of the disk ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello all, I currently try to label the rest of my disk WD 1223 MB EIDE the fist slice /dev/wd0s1 is 50 MB (DOS) the second is /dev/wd0s2 is 500MB (FreeBSD) and the rest is empty. First I tried to make it with a boot.flp but it wants the partition to be / (Additional FreeBSD slice) after that it says that FreeBSD Boot manager doesn't allows to boot from this point. I also tried to label it with disklabel, but no success, see the log: Script started on Thu Aug 3 10:11:32 1995 yuri@beard:~ 101 > disklabel wd0 # /dev/rwd0c: type: ESDI disk: wd0s2 label: flags: bytes/sector: 512 sectors/track: 63 tracks/cylinder: 16 sectors/cylinder: 1008 cylinders: 1015 sectors/unit: 1023120 rpm: 0 interleave: 0 trackskew: 0 cylinderskew: 0 headswitch: 0 # milliseconds track-to-track seek: 0 # milliseconds drivedata: 0 8 partitions: # size offset fstype [fsize bsize bps/cpg] a: 61440 0 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 60*) b: 102400 61440 swap # (Cyl. 60*- 162*) c: 1023120 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 - 1014) e: 143360 163840 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 162*- 304*) f: 715920 307200 4.2BSD 0 0 0 # (Cyl. 304*- 1014*) Warning, revolutions/minute 0 super block size 0 yuri@beard:~ 102 > df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Avail Capacity Mounted on /dev/wd0a 29727 13235 14113 48% / /dev/wd0s2e 68735 55032 8204 87% /usr /dev/wd0s2f 347095 273484 45843 86% /usr/local /dev/wd0s1 52264 46710 5554 89% /dos /dev/wd1s4a 15719 10787 4146 72% /old /dev/wd1s4e 295743 239229 41726 85% /usr1 procfs 4 4 0 100% /proc yuri@beard:~ 103 > ls -l /dev/wd0s3* brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262146 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3 brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262144 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3a brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262145 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3b brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262146 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3c brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262147 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3d brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262148 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3e brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262149 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3f brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262150 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3g brw-r----- 1 root operator 0, 262151 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/wd0s3h # disklabel -w -r /dev/rwd0s3 fuji513 foo disklabel: /dev/rwd0s3: No such file or directory # ls -l /dev/rwd0s3* crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262146 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3 crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262144 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3a crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262145 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3b crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262146 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3c crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262147 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3d crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262148 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3e crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262149 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3f crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262150 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3g crw-r----- 1 root operator 3, 262151 Aug 2 19:50 /dev/rwd0s3h # disklabel -w -r /dev/rwd0s3a fuji513 foo disklabel: /dev/rwd0s3a: Invalid argument any suggestions ? Thanks in advance, Best Regards, /-----------------------------------------------------------------\ | \\ Yuri Gindin http://www.xpert.com/~yuri | | \\ // || Home: +972-4-282475 | | \\ // ___ ___ ___||__ Work: +972-4-545259 | | \// / --\ / --\ / --||-- Internet | | //\ || \\// __/ || || S/W Development | | // \\ ||__//\\____ || \\__ Network Integration | | ==//===\\||======================= System Administration | \---------\||-------UNIX Systems LTD------------------------------/ From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 08:24:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id IAA16216 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:24:14 -0700 Received: from xi.cs.fsu.edu (xi.cs.fsu.edu [128.186.121.41]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id IAA16210 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 08:24:12 -0700 Received: by xi.cs.fsu.edu (8.6.9/56) id LAA25055; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:24:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199508041524.LAA25055@xi.cs.fsu.edu> Subject: LapLink for FreeBSD? To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:24:10 -0400 (EDT) From: bynum@NU.cs.fsu.edu (Mark J. Bynum) Reply-to: bynum@NU.cs.fsu.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 675 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hello, I heard (on this list) that there was a laplink for FreeBSD to transfer between twom machines (one DOS and one FreeBSD). I could not find any program of the sort on ftp.freebsd.org. Could someone give me the name of such a program. I have a bi-directional printer cable already. I was wondering if I even need another program. On the PC my comm program allows me to open a direct connection (although I don't know about a parallel direct connection) without using the modem. Is there someway I could just have FreeBSD send the data across the parallel port using zmodem (for instance) and have my PC get the data? Thanks for any info, Mark Bynum bynum@cs.fsu.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 09:31:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA19600 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:31:14 -0700 Received: from disperse.demon.co.uk (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA19594 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:31:12 -0700 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by disperse.demon.co.uk id aa07301; 4 Aug 95 15:42 +0100 Received: from gnome.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa14444; 4 Aug 95 15:40 +0100 Received: (from jacs@localhost) by hawk.gnome.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.9) id PAA01218 for questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:42:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:42:11 +0100 From: Chris Stenton Message-Id: <199508041442.PAA01218@hawk.gnome.co.uk> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: crash recovery boot floppy wanted Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, Can someone tell me how to make a crash recovery boot floppy for 2.0.5. I wan't to be able to mount my hard disk via a generic kernel on a bootable floppy. Please reply by e-mail. Thanks. Chris From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 09:39:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA20109 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:39:28 -0700 Received: from mudman.ghgcorp.com (mudman.ghgcorp.com [192.112.219.195]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA20103 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:39:26 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mudman.ghgcorp.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00125 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:38:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199508041638.LAA00125@mudman.ghgcorp.com> X-Authentication-Warning: mudman.ghgcorp.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Help on /dev/psm0 i/o address conflict Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 11:38:51 -0500 From: Joe Nieten Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I just installed 2.0.5 on one of my machines, and, now I cannot get X to work properly. I've traced the problem to dmesg telling me that psm0 is conflicting with sc0. This did not happen in 2.0 ... how do I fix this? If I cannot use my /dev/psm0 I cannot use X and that makes my machine useless. Do I need to go back to 2.0? Joe From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 09:53:17 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA21500 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:53:17 -0700 Received: from kryten.atinc.com (kryten.Atinc.COM [198.138.38.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA21480 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 09:53:09 -0700 Received: (jmb@localhost) by kryten.atinc.com (8.6.9/8.3) id MAA08950; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:47:33 -0400 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan M. Bresler" Subject: Re: Help on /dev/psm0 i/o address conflict To: Joe Nieten cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508041638.LAA00125@mudman.ghgcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Joe Nieten wrote: > I just installed 2.0.5 on one of my machines, and, now I cannot get X to work > properly. I've traced the problem to dmesg telling me that psm0 is conflicting > with sc0. This did not happen in 2.0 ... how do I fix this? If I cannot use my > /dev/psm0 I cannot use X and that makes my machine useless. Do I need to go back > to 2.0? no need to return to 2.0 rebuild a kernel with the conflicts line (see LINT kernel example) device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" conflicts tty irq 12 vector psmintr Jonathan M. Bresler jmb@kryten.atinc.com | Analysis & Technology, Inc. FreeBSD Postmaster jmb@FreeBSD.Org | 2341 Jeff Davis Hwy play go. | Arlington, VA 22202 ride bike. hack FreeBSD.--ah the good life | 703-418-2800 x346 From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 10:22:46 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA22862 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:22:46 -0700 Received: from crow.ctc.edu (crow.ctc.edu [134.39.180.20]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA22856 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:22:42 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by crow.ctc.edu (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA01192; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:16:13 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:16:13 -0700 From: Chris Coleman Message-Id: <199508041716.KAA01192@crow.ctc.edu> To: questions@freebsd.org, ywliu@lin.wsl.sinica.edu.tw Subject: Re: Screensaver question Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk You can set the value of your screensaver in /etc/sysconfig change the blanktime value From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 10:39:12 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA23142 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:39:12 -0700 Received: from netcomsv.netcom.com (uucp11.netcom.com [163.179.3.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23136 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:39:10 -0700 Received: from ssi3000.UUCP by netcomsv.netcom.com with UUCP (8.6.12/SMI-4.1) id KAA19940; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 10:25:10 -0700 Received: by seaysys.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05183; Fri, 4 Aug 95 12:21:18 CDT From: edward@seaysys.com (Edward E. Elzey) Message-Id: <9508041721.AA05183@seaysys.com> Subject: Re: syscons hw cursor To: jzimba@cs.wvu.edu= Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:21:17 -0500 (CDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508041514.LAA10229@Access.Mountain.Net> from "Joel Zimba" at Aug 4, 95 11:14:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1579 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Received from Joel Zimba: > >Ok, > here's a proplexing one. > >2.0 had a fine little hardware cursor that looked just like a >cursor should. hardware driven, blinking, happy friendly. > > 2.0.5 has this line that is drawn there by some strange >configurations options in syscons.h > >also, the hw cursor is placed at the lower left hand corner of >the screen. > >Why someone would rather have a picture there instead of the real >one I don't know I have been kind of curious about this, myself. I find it real tough to find the cursor when it doesn't blink, especially if there is reverse video on the screen. It could at least be bright! Why *did* the cursor change? > >It makes it damn had for my braille output device to track it, Hmm... Braille output device. Perhaps I should have been a bit more sensitive, above, and said "flash" instead of "blink." ;-) >and reminds me of working on ibm mainframes or something, which >ruins my day. > >anyway, there are a couple of options which I thought might >control this. > >the is a CURSOR_ENABLE option which has a mask of 00200 or >something. > >I guess this could be significant, but there is no comment >associated with this line. > >also I can't set the dead_char to anything worthwhile. > >I tried 00 but that didn't work. > >I don't believe there is an ascii value associated with the real >cursor. > >anyway, if anyone out there has a clue, a tip would be >appreciated. > >tanks > >Joel > -- Edward Elzey FreeBSD by avocation All others by vocation. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 11:48:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA25451 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:48:52 -0700 Received: from easynet.com (easy1.easynet.com [199.2.26.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA25445 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:48:50 -0700 Received: by easynet.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0seRnh-000rdvC; Fri, 4 Aug 95 11:48 WET DST Message-Id: From: brian@MediaCity.com (Brian Litzinger) Subject: Re: How to use Frame Relay line with FreeBSD To: melvin@zytek.com (Stephen Melvin) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508041112.EAA04327@syzygy.zytek.com> from "Stephen Melvin" at Aug 4, 95 04:12:10 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1496 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk [possible solutions to implements Frame Relay via a 56K on FreeBSD] > Option A: > ----------- serial port ----------- 10bT > >---| CSU/DSU |--------------------| FreeBSD |---------> > ----------- frame relay ----------- IP > $200 > Option B: > -------------------- serial port ----------- 10bT > >---| CSU/DSU | FRAD |--------------| FreeBSD |-------> > -------------------- PPP ----------- IP > $1000 > Option C: > -------------------- 10bT ----------- 10bT > >---| CSU/DSU | FRAD |---------| FreeBSD |-------> > -------------------- IP ----------- IP > $1300 > Option D: > ---------------------- 10bT ----------- > >---| CSU/DSU | Router |------+--| FreeBSD | > ---------------------- IP | ----------- > $2000 | > \------------> You can get option D from Imatek for $1100 or so. Router with integrated CSU/DSU. However, talks FR/PPP via 56K only. I use option A above with Emerging Technologies ETPCUX.25 sync card for $695, plus a FT1 CSU/DSU for $695. Which makes me ready for 56K through 1.5mbits. Then I get a FT1 FR connection from the phone company and I can buy 56K, 256K, 384K, or 1.5mbits ($125, $375, $575, $675, per month respectively). The install cost of an FT1 is the same as a 56K circuit where I come from. Brian Litzinger brian@easynet.com From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 12:46:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA00394 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:46:07 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA00386 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:46:06 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA04662; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:45:23 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA01852; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 12:46:48 -0700 Message-Id: <199508041946.MAA01852@corbin.Root.COM> To: REEDHW@vegas1.las.epa.gov cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Lite-2 ?? In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 03 Aug 95 11:03:25 PDT." <01HTMU8EOCBM99EGDV@vegas1.las.epa.gov> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 12:46:48 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Over the last few months I've seen reference to an up and >coming CSRG? distribution named "Lite-2". Can someone elaborate >a bit on this distribution and how it will effect FreeBSD? It is (supposedly) the last release of 4.4BSD. FreeBSD will incorporate most of the fixes/improvements that it contains over the next 6 months. Lite-2's main improvement is a working "union" filesystem. -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 13:01:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA01712 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:01:13 -0700 Received: from research.att.com (research.att.com [192.20.225.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA01702 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:01:12 -0700 From: jwb@ulysses.att.com Message-Id: <199508042001.NAA01702@freefall.cdrom.com> Received: from akiva.homer.att.com [135.3.23.77] by hera; Fri Aug 4 15:57:07 EDT 1995 Received: from localhost.homer.att.com [127.0.0.1] by akiva; Fri Aug 4 15:57:09 EDT 1995 X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.2 7/18/95 To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: config devices Documentations Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 04 Aug 95 15:57:08 EDT Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, jab me with the pitchfork if I missed this someplace, but I've look all over for this, including the mail archives, and I haven't found it. If it does exist, where is it hidden???? Thanks, Jim Ballantine From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 13:13:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA02562 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:13:32 -0700 Received: from handset.laa.com (laa.com [204.7.172.201]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA02554 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:13:29 -0700 Received: from tdf_ltd by handset.laa.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA05918; Fri, 4 Aug 95 16:13:27 -0400 Message-Id: <9508042013.AA05918@handset.laa.com> Received: by tdf_ltd.laa.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA26727; Fri, 4 Aug 95 16:13:24 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain Mime-Version: 1.0 (NeXT Mail 3.3 v118.2) Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.118.2) From: Gary Stanny Date: Fri, 4 Aug 95 16:13:21 -0400 To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: tcpdump & bpf - Device not configured error Cc: gary@laa.com Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk I hacked up the configure scripts and a few include orderings and got libpcap & tcpdump to build on 2.0. Now I try to run it and I get - tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: Device not configured I downloaded the BPF usenix paper but it doesn't say anything about configuring the device. What do I need to do next ? Thanks a bunch cheers gary Gary Stanny Lynn-Arthur Associates, Inc. +1 313 995 5590 stanny@laa.com Operations Support Systems +1 313 995 5989 (fax) 2350 Green Road Suite 160 Ann Arbor, MI, 48105 USA From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 13:59:22 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA05716 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:59:22 -0700 Received: from relay4.UU.NET (relay4.UU.NET [192.48.96.14]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA05706 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:59:11 -0700 Received: from asylum.asylum.org by relay4.UU.NET with ESMTP id QQzbjn13224; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:58:50 -0400 Received: (from dlr@localhost) by asylum.asylum.org (8.6.10/8.6.9) id QAA06428 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:01:05 -0400 From: dlr Message-Id: <199508042001.QAA06428@asylum.asylum.org> Subject: sysconfig To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:01:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 120 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I am using v2.0 and can't find an /etc/sysconfig file. Is this something new in v2.05 or am I missing something? dave From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 14:10:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA06272 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:10:20 -0700 Received: from thing.sunquest.com (thing.Sunquest.COM [149.138.1.11]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06266 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:10:17 -0700 Received: by thing.sunquest.com; id AA28351; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:06:36 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:06:36 -0700 From: Tony Jones Message-Id: <9508042106.AA28351@thing.sunquest.com> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: SML for FreeBSD (2.0.5) Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk The ML faq refers to the following location for a FreeBSD version of SML/NJ: >SML/NJ is also available in source and binary format for FreeBSD from >freebsd.cdrom.com:/pub/FreeBSD/packages/sml_src.tgz and sml_bin.tgz. >The binary package includes EXene and CML as well. I looked in {packages/ports}.{2.0/1.1.5/2.0.5} and couldn't locate the code. Does anyone have a more upto date URL ? thanks tony From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 14:21:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA06739 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:21:54 -0700 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA06728 ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:21:52 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:21:52 -0700 From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199508042121.OAA06728@freefall.cdrom.com> To: questions@freebsd.org, tony@thing.sunquest.com Subject: Re: SML for FreeBSD (2.0.5) Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk That's an old FreeBSD 1.1 package, which still works if you can find it somewhere. Else grab the standard SML 0.93 distribution from att or princeton and apply these patches. *** ./makeml Tue Feb 22 16:01:20 1994 --- ./makeml.0 Fri Sep 24 17:40:07 1993 *************** *** 215,228 **** case $1 in bsd) OPSYS=BSD ;; bsd386) OPSYS=BSD; DEFS="$DEFS -DBSD386";; - FreeBSD) - CPP=/usr/bin/cpp - OPSYS=BSD - DEFS="$DEFS -DFreeBSD" - ;; mach) OPSYS=MACH; DEFS="$DEFS -DBSD";; *) ! echo "$CMD must specify opsys arg for i386/i486 (bsd, bsd386, FreeBSD or mach)" exit 1 ;; esac --- 215,223 ---- case $1 in bsd) OPSYS=BSD ;; bsd386) OPSYS=BSD; DEFS="$DEFS -DBSD386";; mach) OPSYS=MACH; DEFS="$DEFS -DBSD";; *) ! echo "$CMD must specify opsys arg for i386/i486 (bsd, bsd386 or mach)" exit 1 ;; esac *** ./runtime/export.c Tue Feb 22 16:42:34 1994 --- ./runtime/export.c.0 Fri Sep 24 17:42:13 1993 *************** *** 178,188 **** # if defined(NS32) E.a_magic = NS32GMAGIC; # else ! # if defined(FreeBSD) ! E.a_magic = QMAGIC; ! # else ! E.a_magic = ZMAGIC; ! # endif # endif #endif #endif --- 178,184 ---- # if defined(NS32) E.a_magic = NS32GMAGIC; # else ! E.a_magic = ZMAGIC; # endif #endif #endif *************** *** 257,263 **** lseek(filid,N_DATADDR(E),0); bulletproofWrite(filid,CEIL(ETEXT,getpagesize()),E.a_data); #else ! #if defined(SPARC) && defined(MACH) || defined(BSD386) || defined(FreeBSD) bulletproofWrite(filid,textstart+sizeof(E),E.a_text-sizeof(E)); #else # if defined(DYNIX) --- 253,259 ---- lseek(filid,N_DATADDR(E),0); bulletproofWrite(filid,CEIL(ETEXT,getpagesize()),E.a_data); #else ! #if defined(SPARC) && defined(MACH) || defined(BSD386) bulletproofWrite(filid,textstart+sizeof(E),E.a_text-sizeof(E)); #else # if defined(DYNIX) *** ./runtime/cfuns.c Tue Sep 28 23:21:11 1993 --- ./runtime/cfuns.c.0 Sat Sep 25 12:41:52 1993 *************** *** 7,50 **** #include "ml_os.h" #ifdef THINK_C ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include "MacOS.dep.h" ! #else ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #ifdef V9 ! #include ! #include ! #else ! #include ! #include ! #ifndef HPUX ! #include ! #endif #endif #ifndef HPUX ! #include #endif #if (defined(SPARC) && !defined(MACH)) ! #ifdef SOLARIS ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include ! extern sigset_t emptyMask; ! #else ! #include /* tells sparc optimizer about vfork */ ! #endif #endif #include ! #endif THINK_C #ifdef HPUX ! #include #endif #include "ml_state.h" --- 7,50 ---- #include "ml_os.h" #ifdef THINK_C ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include "MacOS.dep.h" ! #else ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #ifdef V9 ! #include ! #include ! #else ! #include ! #include ! #ifndef HPUX ! #include ! #endif #endif #ifndef HPUX ! #include #endif #if (defined(SPARC) && !defined(MACH)) ! #ifdef SOLARIS ! #include ! #include ! #include ! #include ! extern sigset_t emptyMask; ! #else ! #include /* tells sparc optimizer about vfork */ ! #endif #endif #include ! #endif THINK_C #ifdef HPUX ! #include #endif #include "ml_state.h" *************** *** 257,263 **** return (sz - pos); } ! #endif /* THINK_C */ #define MAX_SYSCALL_ARGS 6 --- 257,263 ---- return (sz - pos); } ! #endif #define MAX_SYSCALL_ARGS 6 *************** *** 274,280 **** raise_syserror (msp, "ml_syscall: Not implemented"); return; } ! #else /* !AIX */ void ml_syscall (msp, arg) MLState_ptr msp; ML_val_t arg; --- 274,280 ---- raise_syserror (msp, "ml_syscall: Not implemented"); return; } ! #else void ml_syscall (msp, arg) MLState_ptr msp; ML_val_t arg; *************** *** 454,464 **** len = strlen(path)+sizeof(sock.sun_len)+sizeof(sock.sun_family)+1; sock.sun_len = len; #else - #ifndef FreeBSD len = strlen(path)+sizeof(sock.sun_family); - #else - len = SUN_LEN(&sock); - #endif #endif DO_SYSCALL (connect(fd, (struct sockaddr *)&sock, len), sts); if (sts != -1) { --- 454,460 ---- *************** *** 509,515 **** struct sockaddr_in saddr; int fd, s, i, sts; ! #if defined(SUNOS) || (defined(BSD) && defined(MIPS)) || defined(NeXT) || defined(AUX) || defined(HPPA) || defined (FreeBSD) DO_SYSCALL (socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0), fd); if (fd != -1) { saddr.sin_family = AF_INET; --- 505,511 ---- struct sockaddr_in saddr; int fd, s, i, sts; ! #if defined(SUNOS) || (defined(BSD) && defined(MIPS)) || defined(NeXT) || defined(AUX) || defined(HPPA) DO_SYSCALL (socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, 0), fd); if (fd != -1) { saddr.sin_family = AF_INET; *************** *** 615,621 **** /* raise_ThinkC_error(msp); */ ! #else /* !THINK_C */ fd_set rfds; if (msp->inSigHandler || msp->maskSignals --- 611,617 ---- /* raise_ThinkC_error(msp); */ ! #else fd_set rfds; if (msp->inSigHandler || msp->maskSignals *************** *** 628,638 **** #ifdef RISCos /* problem with select and pipes */ sts = 0; ! #else /* !RISCos */ FD_ZERO(&rfds); FD_SET(fd, &rfds); sts = select(fd+1, &rfds, 0, 0, 0); ! #endif /* RISCos */ msp->ioWaitFlag = 0; } else { --- 624,634 ---- #ifdef RISCos /* problem with select and pipes */ sts = 0; ! #else FD_ZERO(&rfds); FD_SET(fd, &rfds); sts = select(fd+1, &rfds, 0, 0, 0); ! #endif msp->ioWaitFlag = 0; } else { *************** *** 654,660 **** } RETURN(msp, ML_unit); ! #endif /* THINK_C */ } /* end of ml_wait_for_in. */ --- 650,656 ---- } RETURN(msp, ML_unit); ! #endif } /* end of ml_wait_for_in. */ *************** *** 1064,1070 **** int sts; if (OBJ_isBOXED(f)) ! #if defined(SOLARIS) || defined(FreeBSD) sts = truncate((char *)PTR_MLtoC(f), len); #else sts = truncate(PTR_MLtoC(f), len); --- 1060,1066 ---- int sts; if (OBJ_isBOXED(f)) ! #ifdef SOLARIS sts = truncate((char *)PTR_MLtoC(f), len); #else sts = truncate(PTR_MLtoC(f), len); *************** *** 1601,1607 **** raise_syserror (msp, 0); else RETURN(msp, INT_CtoML(sz)); ! #else /* !THINK_C */ #ifdef SOLARIS int fd = INT_MLtoC(arg); off_t cnt; --- 1597,1603 ---- raise_syserror (msp, 0); else RETURN(msp, INT_CtoML(sz)); ! #else #ifdef SOLARIS int fd = INT_MLtoC(arg); off_t cnt; *************** *** 1630,1636 **** } else raise_syserror (msp, 0); ! #else /* !SOLARIS */ int fd = INT_MLtoC(arg); struct stat buf; int pos; --- 1626,1632 ---- } else raise_syserror (msp, 0); ! #else int fd = INT_MLtoC(arg); struct stat buf; int pos; *************** *** 1656,1663 **** raise_syserror (msp, 0); else RETURN(msp, INT_CtoML(buf.st_size - pos)); ! #endif /* SOLARIS */ ! #endif /* THINK_C */ } /* end of ml_fionread */ --- 1652,1659 ---- raise_syserror (msp, 0); else RETURN(msp, INT_CtoML(buf.st_size - pos)); ! #endif ! #endif } /* end of ml_fionread */ *** ./runtime/signal.c Sat Feb 5 13:07:39 1994 --- ./runtime/signal.c.0 Tue Sep 28 16:51:53 1993 *************** *** 444,450 **** { MLState_ptr MLState = find_self(); ! #if defined(BSD386) /* Due to an OS bug, SIGBUS is generated by an INTO instruction */ if (sig == SIGBUS) { sig = SIGFPE; --- 444,450 ---- { MLState_ptr MLState = find_self(); ! #ifdef BSD386 /* Due to an OS bug, SIGBUS is generated by an INTO instruction */ if (sig == SIGBUS) { sig = SIGFPE; *************** *** 595,601 **** set_fsr(); /* enable floating-point exceptions */ #endif ! #if defined(BSD386) /* Due to OS bug, SIGBUS is generated by an INTO instruction. */ SETSIG(SIGBUS, trap_handler, SIGMASKALL); #endif --- 595,601 ---- set_fsr(); /* enable floating-point exceptions */ #endif ! #ifdef BSD386 /* Due to OS bug, SIGBUS is generated by an INTO instruction. */ SETSIG(SIGBUS, trap_handler, SIGMASKALL); #endif *** ./runtime/Makefile Sat Feb 5 13:08:23 1994 --- ./runtime/Makefile.0 Tue Sep 28 16:57:25 1993 *************** *** 69,75 **** perv.o: ../../mo.c/perv.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c ../../mo.c/perv.c ! clean: rm -f *.o lint.out prim.s linkdata allmo.s run crc --- 69,75 ---- perv.o: ../../mo.c/perv.c $(CC) $(CFLAGS) -c ../../mo.c/perv.c ! clean: rm -f *.o lint.out prim.s linkdata allmo.s run crc From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 14:24:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA06990 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:24:28 -0700 Received: from diamond.sierra.net (diamond.sierra.net [204.94.39.235]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA06984 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:24:25 -0700 Received: from martis-d224.sierra.net (martis-d228.sierra.net) by diamond.sierra.net with SMTP id AA04253 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:24:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199508042124.AA04253@diamond.sierra.net> From: "Jim Howard" To: davidg@root.com, freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 13:27:44 -0800 Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap Reply-To: jiho@sierra.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail/Windows (v1.22) Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk The citations that follow are from davidg@root.com (David Greenman). > We use the Berkeley malloc by default which causes power of 2 allocations > to allocate twice as much memory as is needed. It's a function of its design - > it takes a few bytes more than it needs for the allocation, and the allocation > buckets are power of 2. So a request for a power of 2 amount causes the > allocation to fall into the next bucket (which is twice as large). Now here's a point even I can understand. Thank you for the explanation. And it's easy to fix--just use a different malloc(). This seems to be another example of how BSD was optimized for the VAX as a multiuser system. About the only way to speed a VAX up was to add RAM, so whenever Berkeley had a tradeoff to make of speed versus space, they optimized for speed (however trivial it may seem now) at the expense of RAM space. All perfectly legitimate, and the net result we got was an OS with speed to burn on today's PCs. Some of those choices do now appear a bit out of place on the standalone PC, though. > It is escentially blind. The policy of which pages to reclaim is based on > frequency of page usage, not on how many people have it mapped. This I still don't quite understand. I know what you mean here, once the decision is made to swap the swapper doesn't care whether a given page is shared or not, and there's no reason why it should. That makes perfect sense. I was thinking of the higher-level decision to swap at all, based on how many total pages are physically occupied. How is this decision reached? The issue arose because in looking at the "run time set size" figures from ps, and the swapinfo figure on how much of the swap partition had been used, versus how much physical RAM I had (after counting out kernel overhead, including buffer cache on 2.0), I couldn't help thinking that the "rss" figures added up to just about the same ball park as RAM usage plus swap partition usage. In other words, it looked like the decision that swapping was necessary was blind to page-sharing overlap among the processes, so swapping started well before physical RAM was actually exhausted. That level of blindness. In another message, Dyson implies strongly that this is not the case, but he isn't very explicit, so I'm not really sure he understood me either. He talks mostly about CPU usage, an issue I've never raised. (But see my comment above about BSD being optimized for the VAX.) > Horrendous swapping? If that is true on machines with >=16MB of memory, > then perhaps there is a problem...but that doesn't match my own experiance. Well, I consider it horrendous with 8 MB. But I agree that's true for any platform running X, not just FreeBSD. If you accept X's requirements as normal, then 16 MB is a reasonable requirement. > > I had more trouble running > >out of swap with X under Linux than I've had under FreeBSD. > > That begs the question "Then why are you complaining?". :-) Well, I'm not complaining so much as trying to learn. Some of my "complaints" are more like impressions asking to be corrected with information. Others are paranoid delusions, and a few of them are ongoing disagreements with reality. > >This all seems to be degenerating into a useless flap without addressing > >the original issue much. > > > >I remember reading a gripe column in BYTE, where a networking support > >guy at Cray was complaining because customers wanted to run X on > >laptops and he couldn't do it for them. He recalled a time when X ran fine > >on Suns with 4 MB of RAM. Now we have a user who likes FreeBSD > >because it runs X fine with 16 MB (although others dispute that even with > >32 MB). I don't see where the basic server (extensions aside) has acquired > >much new functionality to account for the difference. It's just quadrupled > >in size and extrapolated its RAM requirements. > > > >Maybe that's why nobody wants to deal with this issue--it collapses into a > >flame war and nobody can do anything about it anyway! > > There are different levels of "fine"ness. I had a VAXstation-2000 here for > awhile. It runs a version of X11R3...and has only 6MB of RAM. It is absolutely > DOG slow...and not because the CPU is slow, but because it thrashes > constantly. Using it was an absolute pain. Similarly, a MicroVAX with 16MB of > memory also paged a little when running X - especially once you start using > things like gcc which is a complete memory pig (needing >3MB of memory). Well, maybe the guy at Cray was stretching the case. All hearsay anyway, the first version I saw was X11R5. Maybe he was talking about the GUI Sun used BEFORE they adopted X?!? But GUIs in general used to be much smaller than they are today--they had to be, because the machines just didn't have the RAM. Atari would have used the original Microsoft Windows in their 520ST, had it shipped on time. Look at Windows now, they can't make it fit into PDAs. Or compare Bell Labs' MGR to X. Silicon Graphics is trying to figure out how to make an X-based TV box for the "Information Superhighway" that consumers can actually afford. GNU software does tend to be piggy. All the GNU packages are big to start with, and they all want to compile with debugging support by default, tripling the basic size. Enough ranting and raving. It all has to do with background. I come from an early microcomputer background myself. Berkeley and the X Consortium and the Free Software Foundation are all minicomputer/workstation oriented organizations. Things that make sense from that perspective look outrageous from my pre-PC point of view. (Again, see my comment above about BSD on the VAX.) From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 14:39:40 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA08396 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:39:40 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA08388 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:39:37 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA04845; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:38:55 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01991; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 14:40:20 -0700 Message-Id: <199508042140.OAA01991@corbin.Root.COM> To: jiho@sierra.net cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 04 Aug 95 13:27:44 -0800." <199508042124.AA04253@diamond.sierra.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 14:40:19 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> We use the Berkeley malloc by default which causes power of 2 allocations >> to allocate twice as much memory as is needed. It's a function of its design - >> it takes a few bytes more than it needs for the allocation, and the allocation >> buckets are power of 2. So a request for a power of 2 amount causes the >> allocation to fall into the next bucket (which is twice as large). > >Now here's a point even I can understand. Thank you for the >explanation. And it's easy to fix--just use a different malloc(). > >This seems to be another example of how BSD was optimized for the VAX >as a multiuser system. About the only way to speed a VAX up was to >add RAM, so whenever Berkeley had a tradeoff to make of speed versus >space, they optimized for speed (however trivial it may seem now) at >the expense of RAM space. Actually, I think it is far more a matter of simply not considering that many applications request power of two sizes. The "extra bytes" could just as easily have been allocated seperately. >> It is escentially blind. The policy of which pages to reclaim is based on >> frequency of page usage, not on how many people have it mapped. > >This I still don't quite understand. I know what you mean here, once >the decision is made to swap the swapper doesn't care whether a given >page is shared or not, and there's no reason why it should. That >makes perfect sense. > >I was thinking of the higher-level decision to swap at all, based on how >many total pages are physically occupied. How is this decision reached? It happens when the system runs out of free memory. Note that we use most free pages for file data caching, and that file I/O can cause a very small amount of paging - but this is necessary to get rid of infrequently used pages. The goal is to reduce disk I/O as much as possible, and if this means caching file data instead of VM pages, then that's what we do. The algorithm is very VM page weighted, and only reclaims pages slowly for file caching. This is to prevent large amounts of file I/O from causing excessive paging. >The issue arose because in looking at the "run time set size" figures RSS stands for "resident set size". The RSS of each process is a combination of all pages - shared or not. This makes the number unuseful for any sort of precise estimation of memory usage. -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 15:19:28 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA11201 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:19:28 -0700 Received: from web.azstarnet.com (azstarnet.com [169.197.1.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11191 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:19:25 -0700 Received: from sprite148.azstarnet.com (sprite148.azstarnet.com [169.197.3.148]) by web.azstarnet.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA00591 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:18:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:18:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199508042218.PAA00591@web.azstarnet.com> X-Sender: maher@azstarnet.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: maher@azstarnet.com (maher katbah) Subject: Xwindow Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi: I installed FreeBSD 2.0.5 over 6 times now, trying to run X windows but I can't. or should I say I don't know how, I have a book for linux and it shows that you can start X window by simply typing startx after configering the Xconfig file. I added the /usr/X11R6/bin in the path. I moved to that directory and all what I get is "startx: command not found" even though the is right there. please help me or at least let me know where I can get help also if thers is an existing book for FREEBSD let me know From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 15:28:54 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA11925 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:28:54 -0700 Received: from Mabuse.Vir.com (News.Vir.com [199.84.154.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11916 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:28:52 -0700 Received: from zeta by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id RAA16037; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:25:04 -0500 Received: (from rjbproc@localhost) by zeta (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA00166; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:28:27 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:28:26 +0000 () From: Robert Burns To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: iijppp auto & pine Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk When I use iijppp in auto mode, pine forces ppp to dial, why? I would think the request to dial should only come if I send a message. I've removed all ties within pine to the outside but still luck? Anyone else experiencing this problem? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Burns (rjbproc@vir.com) Mtl., Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 15:29:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA11995 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:29:26 -0700 Received: from ix8.ix.netcom.com (ix8.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.8]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA11987 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:29:24 -0700 Received: from by ix8.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id PAA28602; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:26:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 15:26:58 -0700 Message-Id: <199508042226.PAA28602@ix8.ix.netcom.com> From: enigmati@ix.netcom.com (Berry Johnson ) Subject: I need help To: questions@freebsd.org Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Hi, i wanna test out my new FreeBSD system hooked up to the internet, hmm since i dont have alot of money i cant lease a t1 or a 56k, and i was wondering if some1 can explain me how to use a SLIP/PPP connection with FBSD. THANX later From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 16:18:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA13153 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:18:57 -0700 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA13145 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:18:55 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111135-3>; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:18:19 -0700 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA24716 for rjbproc@vir.com; Fri, 4 Aug 95 16:18:04 PDT To: Robert Burns Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iijppp auto & pine In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 04 Aug 1995 11:28:26 PDT." Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:17:58 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Aug4.161819pdt.111135-3@aero.org> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have found that any reference to "localhost" causes a DNS lookup, if "resolv.conf" is in place. Maybe this is what you're seeing. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 16:44:07 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA14206 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:44:07 -0700 Received: from Mabuse.Vir.com (News.Vir.com [199.84.154.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA14195 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 16:44:03 -0700 Received: from zeta by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id SAA08931; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 18:40:16 -0500 Received: (from rjbproc@localhost) by zeta (8.6.11/8.6.9) id TAA00326; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:43:38 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:43:37 +0000 () From: Robert Burns To: obrien@antares.aero.org cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iijppp auto & pine (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Mike O'Brien wrote: > I have found that any reference to "localhost" causes a DNS lookup, > if "resolv.conf" is in place. Maybe this is what you're seeing. > > Mike, Thanks for your response. When I remove resolv.conf the problem goes away but causes DNS lookup failures if I try to ftp to a remote site for instance. Any Ideas on how to get around this? My resolv.conf file is set up as follows: domain vir.com <---- my ISP nameserver 199.84.154.65 <---- another DNS address nameserver 199.202.197.65 <---- his address ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Burns (rjbproc@vir.com) Mtl., Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 17:07:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA15170 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:07:00 -0700 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15162 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:06:59 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111119-1>; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:06:19 -0700 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA25279 for rjbproc@vir.com; Fri, 4 Aug 95 17:05:53 PDT To: Robert Burns Cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iijppp auto & pine (fwd) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 04 Aug 1995 12:43:37 PDT." Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:05:51 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Aug4.170619pdt.111119-1@aero.org> Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > When I remove resolv.conf the problem goes away but causes DNS lookup > failures if I try to ftp to a remote site for instance. Any Ideas on how > to get around this? I don't know of one. Once you go with the DNS, the net had better be up; /etc/hosts will only be used as a fallback after the DNS lookup times out (i.e. if you just wait long enough things will proceed forward). This gives me fits because iijppp does the same thing; after the interface is marked "UP", killing and restarting iijppp becomes a total pain, because it does the selfsame thing. You either have to temporarily move resolv.conf out of the way and back again, or you have to wait out the DNS lookup timeout. Yuck. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 17:09:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA15374 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:09:56 -0700 Received: from everest (dtr.rain.com [204.119.8.19]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA15360 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:09:54 -0700 From: bmk@dtr.com Received: (from bmk@localhost) by everest (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA09355; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:07:45 -0700 Message-Id: <199508050007.RAA09355@everest> Subject: Re: iijppp auto & pine (fwd) To: rjbproc@Vir.com (Robert Burns) Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:07:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Robert Burns" at Aug 4, 95 07:43:37 pm Reply-To: bmk@dtr.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 881 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Mike O'Brien wrote: > > I have found that any reference to "localhost" causes a DNS lookup, > > if "resolv.conf" is in place. Maybe this is what you're seeing. > > > > > Mike, > Thanks for your response. > When I remove resolv.conf the problem goes away but causes DNS lookup > failures if I try to ftp to a remote site for instance. Any Ideas on how > to get around this? My resolv.conf file is set up as follows: > domain vir.com <---- my ISP > nameserver 199.84.154.65 <---- another DNS address > nameserver 199.202.197.65 <---- his address Check to see if your /etc/host.conf lists 'bind' before 'hosts'. If it does, switch them. Make sure localhost is listed in your /etc/hosts file. Of course, you'll want to put resolv.conf back the way it was. :) Another workable solution might be to run a caching nameserver on your machine. From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 17:47:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA17898 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:47:10 -0700 Received: from Mabuse.Vir.com (News.Vir.com [199.84.154.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA17886 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 17:47:02 -0700 Received: from zeta by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id TAA18573; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 19:43:14 -0500 Received: (from rjbproc@localhost) by zeta (8.6.11/8.6.9) id UAA00235; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:46:36 GMT Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:46:35 +0000 () From: Robert Burns X-Sender: rjbproc@zeta To: bmk@dtr.com cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: iijppp auto & pine (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199508050007.RAA09355@everest> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk > Check to see if your /etc/host.conf lists 'bind' before 'hosts'. If it > does, switch them. Make sure localhost is listed in your /etc/hosts > file. > This seems to be the answer, thanks for your help! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Burns (rjbproc@vir.com) Mtl., Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 20:43:48 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA21685 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:43:48 -0700 Received: from pluto.ops.NeoSoft.com (pluto.ops.NeoSoft.COM [198.64.212.23]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA21679 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 20:43:46 -0700 Received: from concorde.neosoft.com (root@concorde.NeoSoft.COM [198.65.161.214]) by pluto.ops.NeoSoft.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id WAA29508; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:43:39 -0500 Received: (from dbaker@localhost) by concorde.neosoft.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) id WAA00508; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:43:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:43:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Daniel Baker X-Sender: dbaker@concorde.neosoft.com To: Joe Nieten cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Help on /dev/psm0 i/o address conflict In-Reply-To: <199508041638.LAA00125@mudman.ghgcorp.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Joe Nieten wrote: > I just installed 2.0.5 on one of my machines, and, now I cannot get X to work > properly. I've traced the problem to dmesg telling me that psm0 is conflicting > with sc0. This did not happen in 2.0 ... how do I fix this? If I cannot use my > /dev/psm0 I cannot use X and that makes my machine useless. Do I need to go back > to 2.0? > > Joe > Make sure you have these lines exactly in your kernel config: options "ALLOW_CONFLICT_IOADDR" device psm0 at isa? port "IO_KBD" tty conflicts irq 12 vector psmintr notice: the word 'psmintr' is supposed to be on the 2nd line, not on it's own. ++If you're cool, you run FreeBSD++ Daniel Baker -- NeoSoft Student Assistant (UseNet, FTP & CivNet Admin.) DBaker@NeoSoft.COM DBaker@Concorde-Mail.NeoSoft.COM (A FreeBSD Machine) ** http://www.neosoft.com/neosoft/staff/dbaker/default.html ** ++Get NeoSoft 'Net Access TODAY!!! 1/800-GET-NEOSOFT++ From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 22:48:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA28868 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:48:10 -0700 Received: from xioa.cosmic.org (xioa.cosmic.org [205.218.96.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id WAA28858 for ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 22:48:08 -0700 Received: (from jwb@localhost) by xioa.cosmic.org (8.6.11/8.6.9) id BAA00250 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:49:35 GMT From: Joe Beiter Message-Id: <199508050149.BAA00250@xioa.cosmic.org> Subject: question/problem To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:49:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1309 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Ok, read the faqs, read the install docs, and went through the entire install procedure at least 6 times. I'm installing on a 486/DX4 16MB mem, onto the *second* SCSI (ST31230N, 1050MB). I'm using and Adaptec 1542 scsi controller. The geometry for the disk is supposed to be 3992/5/103 (fbsd disagrees.. I used it anyway and I've tried it using what it wants). Problem: The installation seems to go through fine but I have no way to boot the system. The install never installs the MBR Boot manager it promises and the install boot floppie won't take "sd(1,a)/kernel" .. well it does but it starts scrolling some crap. The "troubles" doc said something about using "(F)disk to install the (B)oot record on the first disk then booting the second manually" but never mentions where to give these commands or where the "(F)disk partition editor" is to be found. ... hmm... details.. IN the partition thingie, in the install, I selected the second scsi disk, created partions and requested the root partition be bootable.. (anticipating question 'well did you do this?'). I've been a unix admin for 8 years for about 4 different *nixs.. I'm at a loss. Any suggestions? y - JoeB |:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:| Joe Beiter Hargray Telephone Company jwb@hargray.com From owner-freebsd-questions Fri Aug 4 23:05:56 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA00363 for questions-outgoing; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:05:56 -0700 Received: from localhost.cdrom.com (localhost.cdrom.com [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id XAA00354 ; Fri, 4 Aug 1995 23:05:54 -0700 Message-Id: <199508050605.XAA00354@freefall.cdrom.com> X-Authentication-Warning: freefall.cdrom.com: Host localhost.cdrom.com didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Beiter cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: question/problem In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Aug 95 01:49:33 -0000." <199508050149.BAA00250@xioa.cosmic.org> Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 23:05:54 -0700 From: "Justin T. Gibbs" Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >Ok, read the faqs, read the install docs, and went through the entire >install procedure at least 6 times. > >I'm installing on a 486/DX4 16MB mem, onto the *second* SCSI (ST31230N, >1050MB). I'm using and Adaptec 1542 scsi controller. The geometry for >the disk is supposed to be 3992/5/103 (fbsd disagrees.. I used it anyway and >I've tried it using what it wants). The problem is that you do indeed have the geometry wrong. Disks hanging off of Adaptec controllers have one of two geometries: Extended translation enabled - 64 heads, 32 sectors/track,#MB reported cylinders by diskprobe Extended translation disabled- 255 heads,63 sectors/track,#MB reported cylinders by diskprobe/7 Determine whether you have extended translation enabled or not, and go from there. Once way to almost assure sucess is to create a small partition on the disk with DOS. The FreeBSD install will then take the values from that partition and use them for creating all others even if you decide to delete the DOS partition during the install. > >- JoeB > >|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:| >Joe Beiter Hargray Telephone Company >jwb@hargray.com -- Justin T. Gibbs =========================================== Software Developer - Walnut Creek CDROM FreeBSD: Turning PCs into workstations =========================================== From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 00:17:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA05522 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:17:11 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA05516 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:17:09 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA18850; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:12:29 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508050742.RAA18850@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: tcpdump & bpf - Device not configured error To: stanny@laa.com (Gary Stanny) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:12:28 +0930 (CST) Cc: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG, gary@laa.com In-Reply-To: <9508042013.AA05918@handset.laa.com> from "Gary Stanny" at Aug 4, 95 04:13:21 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 890 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk Gary Stanny stands accused of saying: > > I hacked up the configure scripts and a few include orderings and got > libpcap & tcpdump to build on 2.0. Now I try to run it and I get - > tcpdump: /dev/bpf0: Device not configured Firstly, why? There's a perfectly functional tcpdump in 2.0... > I downloaded the BPF usenix paper but it doesn't say anything about > configuring the device. pseudo-device bpfiter 4 in your kernel config. > Gary Stanny Lynn-Arthur Associates, Inc. +1 313 995 5590 -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 00:23:26 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id AAA05682 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:23:26 -0700 Received: from genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.96.120]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id AAA05676 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:23:21 -0700 Received: from msmith@localhost by genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) id RAA18862; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:16:41 +0930 From: Michael Smith Message-Id: <199508050746.RAA18862@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Subject: Re: iijppp auto & pine (fwd) To: obrien@antares.aero.org (Mike O'Brien) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:16:40 +0930 (CST) Cc: rjbproc@Vir.com, questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <95Aug4.170619pdt.111119-1@aero.org> from "Mike O'Brien" at Aug 4, 95 05:05:51 pm Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1209 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Mike O'Brien stands accused of saying: > > > When I remove resolv.conf the problem goes away but causes DNS lookup > > failures if I try to ftp to a remote site for instance. Any Ideas on how > > to get around this? > > I don't know of one. Once you go with the DNS, the net had better be up; > /etc/hosts will only be used as a fallback after the DNS lookup times out > (i.e. if you just wait long enough things will proceed forward). This > gives me fits because iijppp does the same thing; after the interface is > marked "UP", killing and restarting iijppp becomes a total pain, because > it does the selfsame thing. You either have to temporarily move resolv.conf > out of the way and back again, or you have to wait out the DNS lookup > timeout. Edit /etc/host.conf and swap the hosts and bind lines. > Mike O'Brien -- ]] Mike Smith, Software Engineer msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] Genesis Software genesis@atrad.adelaide.edu.au [[ ]] High-speed data acquisition and [[ ]] realtime instrument control (ph/fax) +61-8-267-3039 [[ ]] My car has "demand start" - Terry Lambert [[ From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 01:25:57 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id BAA07760 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:25:57 -0700 Received: from cs.pdx.edu (cs.pdx.edu [131.252.20.183]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id BAA07754 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 01:25:55 -0700 Received: (lix@localhost) by cs.pdx.edu (8.6.10/CATastrophe-12/23/94-P) id AAA11988; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:34:09 -0700 for questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 00:34:09 -0700 From: lix@cs.pdx.edu (xiaoyin li) Message-Id: <199508050734.AAA11988@cs.pdx.edu> To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am tying to set up my FreeBSD (with 9504 snapshot) machine as a Web server. I had the netscape browser successfully installed. I have downloaded your CERN WWW software which are WWWLibrary_3.0, WWWDaemon_3.0.tar, and WWWLineMode_3.0.tar from ftp.cdrom.com host under pub/FreeBSD/ports directory to our FreeBSD machine After I modified the environment variable $UNAME to be "FreeBSD". I gott my library module successfuly complied. But when I run "BUILD daemon" I got like at least 30 errors came out from HTFormat.h, HTAccess.h, and HTRequest.c, the error meaages are "parse error" or "dereferncing pointer to incomplete type". I would appreciate very much if you could give me some advices on how to fix above probelms, or where I can get the better ones.. Xiaoyin Li System Administrator Portland State Bookstore email address: lix@rigel.cs.pdx.edu or lix@bkst.pdx.edu From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 02:55:35 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id CAA11811 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:55:35 -0700 Received: from calweb.calweb.com (calweb.calweb.com [165.90.138.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id CAA11805 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:55:34 -0700 Received: from web1 by calweb.calweb.com via ESMTP (8.6.12/940406.SGI.AUTO) for id JAA09542; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:55:28 GMT Received: (rdugaue@localhost) by web1 (8.6.9/8.6.9) id CAA08245; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:55:27 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 02:55:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Du Gaue To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: qpopper problems Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I run a small (but rapidly expanding!) ISP using FreeBSD and pent90s/100s (one SGI). Lately I've had terrible problems with the BSD machines spontaneously resetting. I've tracked this down to what I believe is a serious problem with popper. I have my users connect to 'pop.calweb.com' for their pop host, and wherever that resolves to that machine becomes unstable. I have 3 users machines, and one evening I was basically able to get each machine to reset by switching pop resolution to each. Tonight, although pop resolved to a different machine, one of the others crashed 3 times. Sure enough going into the log files shows someone doing pop requests using the machines name (not the pop alias) for the connection! I've commented out the pop3 config in inetd.conf for now, but I'm still gauranteed that the pop.calweb.com machine will be unstable. Has anyone else seen this? Two of the machines are on the OS just before this last snapshot (until I can upgrade gracefully it's tough to keep up! hint hint), and one of them is on 2.0.5. They all exhibit unstability with qpopper resolving to it. Should I also be contacting Qualcom? I'm wondering if it's actually their problem or something wrong with BSD... Any help would be greatly appreciated! As far as I can see these latest snaps have given my machines greater stability over the older versions (NFS is much better, but still gets whacked under heavy xfers) and if this qpopper problem could get resolved many of my current worries will be gone... From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 04:37:24 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id EAA16364 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:37:24 -0700 Received: from tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (tasman.cc.utas.edu.au [131.217.10.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id EAA16358 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 04:37:21 -0700 Received: (from cp_nairn@localhost) by tasman.cc.utas.edu.au (8.6.10/8.6.6) id VAA01013; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:37:11 +1000 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:37:10 +1000 (EST) From: Carey Nairn To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Matsushita/Panasonic (Creative) CD-ROM driver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk does this driver also include support for quad speed drives in 2.0.5-RELEASE? ========================================================================= Carey Nairn ! email : Carey.Nairn@its.utas.edu.au Networks and Communications ! phone : (002) 20 7419 Information Technology Services ! fax : (002) 20 7898 University of Tasmania. ! ========================================================================= From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 05:49:31 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id FAA17821 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 05:49:31 -0700 Received: from pancake.remcomp.fr (pancake.remcomp.fr [194.51.30.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id FAA17811 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 05:49:25 -0700 Received: (from didier@localhost) by aida (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA00556; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:35:56 +0200 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 13:35:55 +0200 (MET DST) From: Didier Derny X-Sender: didier@aida To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: PCVT for Freebsd 2.05 How ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Is it possible to install PCVT in FreeBSD.2.05 ? How do I configure the driver ? Thanks for your help -- Didier Derny didier@aida.org From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 09:48:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA22962 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:48:55 -0700 Received: from Mabuse.Vir.com (News.Vir.com [199.84.154.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA22956 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:48:53 -0700 Received: from zeta by Vir.com (8.6.10/2.0) id LAA30798; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:45:03 -0500 Received: (from rjbproc@localhost) by zeta (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA01071; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:48:28 GMT Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:48:27 +0000 () From: Robert Burns X-Sender: rjbproc@zeta To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: tcsh invokes iijppp demand Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk To my bewilderment, when I substituted my standard csh with tcsh, when logging in or invoking tsch my modem dials up. (using ppp -auto) Any ideas? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Burns (rjbproc@vir.com) Mtl., Ca. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 09:56:20 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id JAA23088 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:56:20 -0700 Received: from fern.hargray.com (ns.hhisland.com [205.218.96.10]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id JAA23082 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 09:56:19 -0700 Received: (from jwb@localhost) by fern.hargray.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA15364 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:58:35 -0400 From: Joe Beiter Message-Id: <199508051658.MAA15364@fern.hargray.com> Subject: BSD IZ BROKED To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:58:35 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1693 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Well, you guys have some inconsistancies with your docs and install procedure. ----------------------------------------------- Walnut Creek FreeBSD 2.0.5 486/DX4 Adaptec 1542 Seagate ST31230N (second scsi drive) 1010/64/32 ------------------------------------------------ One of the FAQs requested a commentary on how I found the install. First of all, the docs surrounding the partitioning and filesystem creation screens are too shallow and too hard to find (mebbe put them accessable from the help screen). The only thing that really goes into setting up a freebsd on a second disk (I'm using scsi) is the "troubles" doc in \faq\text. It is also incorrect. The commands in the troubles Doc do not match the Partition and Label editor in the install. The doc says "Select first (0) from the (F)disk editor". The command is (P)artition. It then says "write boot manager with the (B)oot option"... the command is (S)et bootable. After figuring out that I am to write the boot manager to the dos partition on my first scsi disk, I then expected the boot manager to see the FreeBSD system installed on the second scsi disk. It does not. It only sees teh file systems I have on the first disk (dos and linux). The "troubles" file says to enter the command "sd(1,a)/kernel" at the "Boot" prompt. How do I get this boot prompt? It never appears. Can I make a boot floppy that will look at my bootable bsd disk? (there are no instructions how to). Is this just an undocumented fact that FreeBSD must reside on the first disk? (that would be very lame) - JoeB |:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:|------|:=-@-=:| Joe Beiter Hargray Telephone Company jwb@hargray.com From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 10:10:10 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id KAA23410 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:10:10 -0700 Received: from irbs.irbs.com (irbs.com [199.182.75.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id KAA23404 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 10:10:07 -0700 Received: (from jc@localhost) by irbs.irbs.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA17244; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:08:42 -0400 From: John Capo Message-Id: <199508051708.NAA17244@irbs.irbs.com> Subject: Re: tcsh invokes iijppp demand To: rjbproc@Vir.com (Robert Burns) Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: from "Robert Burns" at Aug 5, 95 12:48:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 402 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk Robert Burns writes: > > > To my bewilderment, when I substituted my standard csh with tcsh, when > logging in or invoking tsch my modem dials up. (using ppp -auto) > > Any ideas? > This happens due to tcsh being compiled with the REMOTEHOST option. tcsh does a reverse DNS lookup on the host address to get a host name. The DNS lookup causes iijppp to call your ISP. John Capo IRBS Engineering From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 11:14:31 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA24652 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:14:31 -0700 Received: from ix3.ix.netcom.com (ix3.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA24646 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:14:30 -0700 Received: from by ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA23094; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:12:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:12:04 -0700 Message-Id: <199508051812.LAA23094@ix3.ix.netcom.com> From: fadorno@ix.netcom.com (Fred Adorno ) Subject: Printer setup for a Epson Actionlaser 1500 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk I am getting an error message "unknown printer". What do I do? From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 11:32:16 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id LAA25069 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:32:16 -0700 Received: from bubba.tribe.com ([205.184.207.7]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id LAA25063 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:32:14 -0700 Received: (from archie@localhost) by bubba.tribe.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA02979 for questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:31:40 -0700 From: Archie Cobbs Message-Id: <199508051831.LAA02979@bubba.tribe.com> Subject: Re: 2.0.5 Eager to go into swap To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 11:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1219 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In all the confusion, I missed the answers to a couple of questions I had regarding the memory situation... I also have a new one... :-) 1. I wrote: > How hard would it be to replace the existing malloc() with GNU malloc()? I assume this would entail rebuilding libc... perhaps we can "reorder" it in the process (based on ... ?). This is not theoretical, I'd really like to do this. 2. I wrote: > On a related note, does the kernel ever promise more memory than it > can actually deliver? Or do all calls to malloc() reserve swap (at least)? > In either case, is this behavior configurable? It didn't sound like this was configurable, but I just want to check and make sure. 3. Finally, it would be nice to see a "free" command like Linux has. For example: $ free total used free shared buffers Mem: 11324 11148 176 3084 6024 Swap: 52412 0 52412 [ This isn't the best example because no swap is currently being used, but you get the idea ] Can we add this? I'll write the program if someone shows me where to get this information (from pstat?). Thanks, -Archie From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 12:27:47 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id MAA26650 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:27:47 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA26644 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 12:27:45 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA06985; Sat, 5 Aug 95 19:27:44 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA13017; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:27:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:27:42 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9508051927.AA13017@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: fadorno@ix.netcom.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508051812.LAA23094@ix3.ix.netcom.com> (fadorno@ix.netcom.com) Subject: Re: Printer setup for a Epson Actionlaser 1500 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Fred" == Fred Adorno writes: Fred> I am getting an error message "unknown printer". What do I Fred> do? This comes from either (1) Using lpr with the -P option with the name of a printer that doesn't exist in /etc/printcap. (2) Not using a -P option and having a PRINTER environment variable that's set to the name of a printer that doesn't exist in /etc/printcap. (3) Not using -P nor having a PRINTER environment variable; in this case, lpr defaults to a printer named ``lp'' and there's no printer or alias named ``lp'' in /etc/printcap. My guess is you're experiencing (3). To fix it, add an alias called ``lp'' to /etc/printcap. For example: lp|epson|action|laser|Epson ActionLaser 1500:\ :lp=/dev/lpt0: ...etc... will allow you to type any of the following commands to print: lpr lpr -Plp lpr -Pepson lpr -Paction lpr -Plaser lpr "-PEpson ActionLaser 1500" -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA I bet it was pretty hard to pick up girls if you had the Black Death. -- Jack Handey From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 13:23:00 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id NAA28249 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:23:00 -0700 Received: from umr.edu (hermes.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id NAA28242 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 13:22:57 -0700 From: serges@umr.edu Received: from rocket.cc.umr.edu (rocket.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.141]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/E.3.07) id PAA15467; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:22:55 -0500 Received: from (serges@localhost) by rocket.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id PAA17658; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:22:54 -0500 Message-Id: <199508052022.PAA17658@rocket.cc.umr.edu> Subject: Time to get serious To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:22:54 -0600 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2293 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Yesterday I suffered a catastrophic loss of a filesystem. It happened thanks to unclear (or in correct) instructions on creating new filesystems with FBSD 2.0.5. But thats beside the point. The point is that I have two tape backups that are phyically connected to my FreeBSD 2.0.5A box and I cant get either of them to function reliably with FBSD. This is ofcourse unfortunate since both systems are supposedly supported by FBSD. The first disappointment was finding out that my Conner QIC-80 drive was unusable as a backup device under FBSD. Using the ft interface, I was able write a tar file one time. However, I have not subsquently been able to repeat this fluke and therefore cant really rely on it for backups. Besides, the general consensus is that these drives are cheap and not very reliable. And that the interface is at best under development. Fine, so I bit the bullet with the Conner and moved on. I next tried to use my Archive 60M tape backup with the Emulex tape to SCSI adapter. I used an old Seagate ST-01 SCSI host adapter as the controller for this card. Since I use IDE hardrives, the ST-01 would be used only to control the tape drive. Initially, I was very optimistic about this set up since there appeared to be direct support for the ST-01 in FBSD. After, reading the installation instructions and removing the PROM I was sure that I would have success. Yet this was not to be. FBSD would just reset the SCSI bus and hung. I tried all kinds of permutations of switching SCSI ids, installing the SCSI bus delay and adding a SCSI harddrive just to make sure it wasnt my tape drive. All tests pointed to the ST-01 and/or FBSD as being the culprits of my difficulties. So now Im at my witts end. I need to know *what* tape backup system, both controller and drive, is USEABLE AND RELIABLE(!) under FBSD! Im sure there must be some backup solution that meets these requirements. I would like to find a low cost RELIABLE and COMPATIBLE SCSI adapter that will coexist with my IDE harddrives and support my Archive tape drive. However, at this point Im open to any and all suggestions. Im running FBSD 2.0.5A on a 486-50DX ISA box. Please, adivse me what I need to do to have a USEABLE and RELIABLE backup system under FreeBSD 2.0.5A. Thankyou. Serge. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 14:37:13 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id OAA01869 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:37:13 -0700 Received: from who.cdrom.com (who.cdrom.com [192.216.222.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id OAA01862 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:37:11 -0700 Received: from cps201.cps.cmich.edu (cps201.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.201]) by who.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.11) with ESMTP id OAA07076 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 14:37:06 -0700 Received: from cps200 (cps200.cps.cmich.edu [141.209.20.200]) by cps201.cps.cmich.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA11377; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:34:52 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Archive X-Sender: archive@cps200 To: serges@umr.edu cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Time to get serious In-Reply-To: <199508052022.PAA17658@rocket.cc.umr.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > So now Im at my witts end. I need to know *what* tape backup system, both > controller and drive, is USEABLE AND RELIABLE(!) under FBSD! Im sure there > must be some backup solution that meets these requirements. I would like to > find a low cost RELIABLE and COMPATIBLE SCSI adapter that will coexist with > my IDE harddrives and support my Archive tape drive. However, at this point > Im open to any and all suggestions. > > Im running FBSD 2.0.5A on a 486-50DX ISA box. Please, adivse me what I need > to do to have a USEABLE and RELIABLE backup system under FreeBSD 2.0.5A. We use Adaptec 1542's in our ISA systems with any of 8 different kinds od drives from SCSI QIC 150's to 8GB DATS on the PCI systems we use an Adaptec 2940 controller.... Hope that that helps.. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 15:03:50 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA03018 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:03:50 -0700 Received: from sirius.brunel.ac.uk (sirius.brunel.ac.uk [134.83.128.62]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA03010 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:03:47 -0700 Received: from mishmash.brunel.ac.uk by sirius.brunel.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09277-0@sirius.brunel.ac.uk>; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:03:39 +0100 From: Nik Clayton Message-Id: <2323.9508052203@mishmash.brunel.ac.uk> Subject: System freezes after inactivity To: questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:03:36 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2215 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk How do, Been an interesting day all told. . . I have a 486/66 (EISA, 16Mb RAM) running 2.0R. Does the job very nicely. However, ever since I've been running 2.0R on it the system has exhibited a tendency to lock-up when it's not doing anything. By 'lock-up', I mean completely freeze. Almost. If I switch virtual consoles (this only happens in text mode) and then switch back to the first console then it recovers, and all my keystrokes entered when it locked are apparent. These lock-ups tend to happen after more than 30 seconds of inactivity, and can occur at the login prompt or at a command line. And then I discovered a fix. Sort of. One of my projects has been a small audio multicast daemon that multicasts /dev/audio around the local network. Whenever this program is running (which is now most of the time) the lockups never happen. Presumably because the kernel is always having to do something every second, and so doesn't find the time to contemplate it's own navel. Today I tried to migrate to 2.0.5, partly because I like the cleaner administration setup, partly because I wanted to use some of the new ports, and partly because it has support for the CD-ROM drive in my machine. Complete disaster. The lockups became more frequent, and would occur after as little as 10 seconds of inactivity. For what it's worth, I get the same results with the on-chip cache turned on or off. I've just finished (almost) re-installing 2.0 and restoring from backups. I realise I haven't really presented a whole lot of information (and I'm not too fussed, since (a) the problem is effectively gone on this machine and (b) I haven't seen anyone else report anything similar, so I think it's more likely to be a hardware or similar problem at my end) but I present this as a possibly interesting datapoint. N =-[Opinion, n: See the above text for an example]=-=[Kibo #: e]-[RYRYRY]=-= =-[The Silly Sod Society: To perfect and to swerve]=-[beable]-=[TP U BG]=-= Other things you could have removed while you waited were your wallet, your stomach lining, your mind and your will to live. The muggers and pushers and pimps and hamburger salesmen, in no particular order, could arrange these things for you. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 15:22:51 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA04563 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:22:51 -0700 Received: from palmer.demon.co.uk (palmer.demon.co.uk [158.152.50.150]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA04557 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:22:48 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by palmer.demon.co.uk (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id XAA01361 ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:22:07 +0100 To: Nik Clayton cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: System freezes after inactivity In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Aug 1995 23:03:36 BST." <2323.9508052203@mishmash.brunel.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 23:22:03 +0100 Message-ID: <1358.807661323@palmer.demon.co.uk> From: Gary Palmer Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk In message <2323.9508052203@mishmash.brunel.ac.uk>, Nik Clayton writes: >I have a 486/66 (EISA, 16Mb RAM) running 2.0R. Does the job very nicely. >However, ever since I've been running 2.0R on it the system has >exhibited a tendency to lock-up when it's not doing anything. OK - this doesn't tell me much about your hardware - from what you say below, I'm guessing that you are getting stray interrupts or something which is causing the kernel to hang... You may want to try compiling the kernel with the debugger in place and when the kernel locks up, drop to the debugger and see where it's stuck. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 15:55:32 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id PAA05098 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:55:32 -0700 Received: from tippy.vnet.net (tippy.vnet.net [166.82.197.240]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id PAA05092 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 15:55:30 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by tippy.vnet.net (8.6.11/8.6.9) id SAA04344; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:55:20 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 18:55:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Madison To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: OpenGL? In-Reply-To: <199508041112.EAA04327@syzygy.zytek.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Is there a free one or one of little cost for FreeBSD? One company I just asked ( Portable ? which supports Linux for $79 ) said they were starting one this weekend:-) l8r chris From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 16:25:31 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id QAA05849 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 16:25:31 -0700 Received: from news.rim.or.jp (news.rim.or.jp [202.255.181.3]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id QAA05843 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 16:25:29 -0700 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by news.rim.or.jp (8.6.10+2.4W/3.3W-rim1.0) with UUCP id IAA24284; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 08:25:14 +0900 Received: from us.and.or.jp (us.and.or.jp [127.0.0.1]) by us.and.or.jp (8.6.11/3.4W) with ESMTP id IAA19954; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 08:22:00 +0900 Message-Id: <199508052322.IAA19954@us.and.or.jp> Reply-To: sa2c@st.rim.or.jp To: lix@cs.pdx.edu (xiaoyin li) cc: questions@FreeBSD.org In-reply-to: "xiaoyin li"'s message of "Sat, 05 Aug 1995 00:34:09 MST." <199508050734.AAA11988@cs.pdx.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 1995 08:22:00 +0900 From: NIIMI Satoshi Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk To compile CERN WWW Daemon 3.0, you should use WWW Library 2.17. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 17:06:44 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA06996 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:06:44 -0700 Received: from grep.cs.fsu.edu (grep.cs.fsu.edu [128.186.121.152]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id RAA06990 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:06:43 -0700 Received: by grep.cs.fsu.edu (8.6.9/56) id UAA18148; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:06:41 -0400 From: Gang-Ryung Uh Message-Id: <199508060006.UAA18148@grep.cs.fsu.edu> Subject: HP LaserJet II P To: questions@FreeBSD.org Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: apsfilter@knobel.gun.de X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 745 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi, I have an old HP LaserJet II P (512kbytes memory) printer. I download aps-491.tgz from the ftp.cdrom.com and setup filters in order to print ps file. But I can not print ps file. When I issue "lpr -Plp chess.ps", then my printer responds on that request, but starts printing garbage. Also, for the ascii file, "lpr -Pascii .login" prints 2-column output, but only the half of text at the first column appears in the first page and the other half of text, which should have printed at the first colums in the first page, printed in the second page. I set the paper size option for the aps as "legal". If you have LaserJet IIp and make it work for FreeBSD 2.0.5 R, Would you please help me out? Thanks in advance. Regards, --Uh From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 17:31:43 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA07947 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:31:43 -0700 Received: from prosun.first.gmd.de (prosun.first.gmd.de [192.35.150.136]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA07939 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:31:41 -0700 Received: from freebsd.first.gmd.de by prosun.first.gmd.de (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05229; Sun, 6 Aug 95 02:31:38 +0200 Received: by freebsd.first.gmd.de (CAA12667); Sun, 6 Aug 1995 02:31:40 +0200 From: Gerd Truschinski Message-Id: <199508060031.CAA12667@freebsd.first.gmd.de> Subject: http over modem To: questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 02:31:40 +0159 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 614 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Hi there, I have a seyon (i.e. modem) connection to a FreeBSD machine. How could I connect to the following machine and directory: http://www.cen.uiuc.edu/~jeske/ Is there a plain ascci reader for www? Where could I read more about this? And a second question: Is there a way to change the home directory of a seyon connection. My files, downloaded with rzsz are always in the directory I started seyon. /gT/ -- Gerd Truschinski | Yes, this is the sort of scenario I gt@freebsd.first.gmd.de | think up to amuse myself in the evenings. emma@cs.tu-berlin.de | -- with confirmation from Larisa From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 17:33:05 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id RAA08016 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:33:05 -0700 Received: from minerva.cis.yale.edu (minerva.cis.yale.edu [130.132.143.250]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA08009 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 17:33:03 -0700 Received: by minerva.cis.yale.edu id AA22496 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for questions@freebsd.org); Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:33:01 -0400 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:33:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Ramirez Subject: VM question To: questions@freebsd.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a friend (samman@cs.yale.edu) who is running an IBM ThinkPad 500 with 12MB RAM/10MB swap, FreeBSD 2.0.5R. In the course of running X, he is getting out-of-swap errors, but is not using more than 15MB of VM ever. We just upgraded this from 1.1.5.1, and I remember a lot of discussion about the overcommit algorithms, and I was wondering if either John Dyson or David Greenman could explain away this behavior. Also, if this is the expected behavior, is there a #define to change it or could someone point me to the correct place to hack? Thanks, Marc. -- I telnetted to whitehouse.gov, and all I got was this lousy .signature! From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 19:11:27 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA11021 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:11:27 -0700 Received: from aero.org (aero.org [130.221.16.2]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11014 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:11:25 -0700 Received: from antares.aero.org ([130.221.192.46]) by aero.org with SMTP id <111107-3>; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:10:49 -0700 Received: from anpiel.aero.org by antares.aero.org (4.1/AMS-1.0) id AA04395 for serges@umr.edu; Sat, 5 Aug 95 19:10:44 PDT To: serges@umr.edu Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Time to get serious In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 05 Aug 1995 14:22:54 PDT." <199508052022.PAA17658@rocket.cc.umr.edu> Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:10:42 -0700 From: "Mike O'Brien" Message-Id: <95Aug5.191049pdt.111107-3@aero.org> Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk QIC-80 (at least through the floppy controller) is a write-off as far as I can see. My Colorado 350 is useless under FreeBSD but very reliable under DOS. Unfortunately no one who has the Colorado 350 specs appears to have time to get the FreeBSD driver up to snuff. I cheated; I borrowed an external Emulex 8mm SCSI tape drive and hooked it onto the end of my Adaptec 1542CF SCSI chain, and it's worked absolutely flawlessly. Mike O'Brien From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 19:14:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id TAA11221 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:14:11 -0700 Received: from umr.edu (hermes.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.68]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id TAA11215 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 19:14:07 -0700 From: serges@umr.edu Received: from rocket.cc.umr.edu (rocket.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.141]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/E.3.07) id VAA24639; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:14:01 -0500 Received: from (serges@localhost) by rocket.cc.umr.edu (8.6.12/M.3.01) id VAA29605; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:14:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199508060214.VAA29605@rocket.cc.umr.edu> Subject: Re: Time to get serious To: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:14:00 -0600 (CDT) In-Reply-To: from "Mail Archive" at Aug 5, 95 05:35:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 434 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Thanks to all have responded to my cry for help. It appears that everyone seems to be using some form of the Adaptec 1542 SCSI host adaptor in combination with a SCSI tape drive. My question is this: Is anyone using the 1542 along with IDE harddrives? This is the configuration that I would use, and I have a feeling that FreeBSD wont like me making use of both subsystems at the same time. Any experiences with this? Serge. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 20:46:14 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA21304 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:46:14 -0700 Received: from crash.cts.com (crash.cts.com [192.188.72.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id UAA21291 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:46:12 -0700 Received: from catslip.cts.com by crash.cts.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #5) id m0sewf7-00007JC; Sat, 5 Aug 95 20:46 PDT Message-Id: Date: Sat, 5 Aug 95 20:46 PDT X-Sender: cat@cts.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: questions@FreeBSD.org From: cat@cts.com (Alan Thorpe) Subject: FreeBSD support of IBM WaveRunner ISDN X-Mailer: Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Will FreeBSD provide support in the near future for the IBM MWAVE (WaveRunner) series of ISDN devices? Thank you, Alan. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 20:51:21 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id UAA21897 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:51:21 -0700 Received: from ix2.ix.netcom.com (ix2.ix.netcom.com [199.182.120.1]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id UAA21887 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:51:19 -0700 Received: from by ix2.ix.netcom.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA20037; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:48:52 -0700 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 20:48:52 -0700 Message-Id: <199508060348.UAA20037@ix2.ix.netcom.com> From: fadorno@ix.netcom.com (Fred Adorno ) Subject: Printcap setup for Epson ActionLaser 1500 To: questions@FreeBSD.org Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Sean, I followed your instructions. The program is talking to my printer. However, it just prints garbage and form feeds forever. Don't I need to make a device driver for the hardware? Do I need to put some variables in printcap to control form feed and speed info? From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 21:14:03 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA23956 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:14:03 -0700 Received: (from dyson@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA23946 ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:14:02 -0700 From: John Dyson Message-Id: <199508060414.VAA23946@freefall.cdrom.com> Subject: Re: Time to get serious To: serges@umr.edu Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:14:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: freebsd-questions@freefall.cdrom.com In-Reply-To: <199508060214.VAA29605@rocket.cc.umr.edu> from "serges@umr.edu" at Aug 5, 95 09:14:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 828 Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > > > Thanks to all have responded to my cry for help. > > It appears that everyone seems to be using some form of the > Adaptec 1542 SCSI host adaptor in combination with a SCSI tape drive. > My question is this: Is anyone using the 1542 along with IDE > harddrives? This is the configuration that I would use, and I have > a feeling that FreeBSD wont like me making use of both subsystems > at the same time. Any experiences with this? > > I have been running with with 2/WD540 IDE drives, 2/320MB ESDIs and a SCSI subsystem consisting of a 2.1GB Seagate, a CDROM and a QIC150 tape for a year now. This config is tested by me daily and works flawlessly (mod my "experimental" stuff" :-)). I sometimes boot off of the IDEs and sometimes the Seagate. I always have swap space allocated on both. John dyson@root.com From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 21:19:29 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA24114 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:19:29 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA24108 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:19:27 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA06346; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:18:42 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA00986; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:20:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199508060420.VAA00986@corbin.Root.COM> To: Marc Ramirez cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VM question In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 05 Aug 95 20:33:00 EDT." From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 21:20:10 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >I have a friend (samman@cs.yale.edu) who is running an IBM ThinkPad 500 >with 12MB RAM/10MB swap, FreeBSD 2.0.5R. In the course of running X, he >is getting out-of-swap errors, but is not using more than 15MB of VM >ever. We just upgraded this from 1.1.5.1, and I remember a lot of >discussion about the overcommit algorithms, and I was wondering if either >John Dyson or David Greenman could explain away this behavior. Also, if >this is the expected behavior, is there a #define to change it or could >someone point me to the correct place to hack? If you are using 15MB of virtual memory then over time the system can potentially page out a large part of that in favor of file caching. -DG From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 21:29:55 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA24450 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:29:55 -0700 Received: from fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov [137.75.131.171]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA24443 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:29:53 -0700 Received: by fslg8.fsl.noaa.gov (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09749; Sun, 6 Aug 95 04:29:52 GMT Received: by emu.fsl.noaa.gov (1.38.193.4/SMI-4.1 (1.38.193.4)) id AA13665; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:29:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:29:50 -0600 From: kelly@fsl.noaa.gov (Sean Kelly) Message-Id: <9508060429.AA13665@emu.fsl.noaa.gov> To: fadorno@ix.netcom.com Cc: questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199508060348.UAA20037@ix2.ix.netcom.com> (fadorno@ix.netcom.com) Subject: Re: Printcap setup for Epson ActionLaser 1500 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >>>>> "Fred" == Fred Adorno writes: Fred> Sean, I followed your instructions. The program is talking Fred> to my printer. However, it just prints garbage and form Fred> feeds forever. Don't I need to make a device driver for the Fred> hardware? If it's on a parallel port, then you already have the device driver, and you talk to the device driver through /dev/lpt0. Fred> Do I need to put some variables in printcap to control form Fred> feed and speed info? Since it's on a parallel port, there isn't any speed info to set up. The only form feed information you can put in /etc/printcap is what string to send as a form feed, whether to print a form feed when opening the device, or whether to suppress them altogether. Let's narrow down the problem. Without using lpr at all, type lptest 70 10 > /dev/lpt0 and tell me what comes out of your printer. You might have to wait a moment for the printer to realize there's no more data arriving before it starts printing. -- Sean Kelly NOAA Forecast Systems Lab, Boulder Colorado USA TASK: Shoot yourself in the foot. In FORTH: Foot in yourself shoot. From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 21:57:11 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA24863 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:57:11 -0700 Received: from maggie.cs.mcgill.ca (maggie.CS.McGill.CA [132.206.51.242]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA24857 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:57:08 -0700 Received: (from sarrazip@localhost) by maggie.cs.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA17076; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:57:02 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:57:02 -0400 From: Pierre Sarrazin Message-Id: <199508060457.AAA17076@maggie.cs.mcgill.ca> To: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Problems with 2.0.5-RELEASE installation Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I'm engaged in a little guessing game with the "user-friendly" installation procedure for 2.0.5-RELEASE. I'm doing an installation from my DOS partition. The installation program says at one point "Failed to load the ROOT distribution. Please correct this problem and try again." The first 60 megs of my disk is my DOS partition. The next 32 megs are FreeBSD's swap space. The remaining 233 megs is the / partition (I prefer to have / and /usr in the same file system) and is to be newfs'd. I've placed the bin.?? files in c:\freebsd\bin and root.flp is in c:\freebsd\floppies. I have used rawrite3.exe to write root.flp on a 1.2M floppy (my A: is a 1.2M). I've tried to get the installation program to read this floppy; that doesn't seem to be the answer. I've put the file on a 1.44M DOS disk in B: and told the program to look on fd1; that didn't work. The problem is that I only see that there is an error but I don't see how it happens and I don't know what the program expects. Before version 2.0, the installation procedure was less "user-friendly" and not menu-oriented and I had much less problems... Pierre Sarrazin [Montreal] From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 21:57:53 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id VAA24907 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:57:53 -0700 Received: from jolt.eng.umd.edu (jolt.eng.umd.edu [129.2.102.5]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id VAA24901 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 21:57:52 -0700 Received: from mocha.eng.umd.edu (mocha.eng.umd.edu [129.2.98.16]) by jolt.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) with ESMTP id AAA09895 for ; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:57:49 -0400 Received: (chuckr@localhost) by mocha.eng.umd.edu (8.6.10/8.6.4) id AAA07255; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:57:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:57:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Chuck Robey To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Net install Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk I have a tiny 2 machine isolated network, and I can't get install to work, either with ftp or nfs. I know this has to be my problem somehow, but I can't figure out how. The data on the problem is below: Existing machine (with 0726 on it): n3lxx.cbr 192.168.64.2 dist at /usr/chuckr/snap-0726 New machine (install target): journey2.cbr 192.168.64.1 n3lxx has export file exporting / and /usr. This is no security problem, because I have no outside connections whatsoever. I do have -alldirs on both export lines. The nslookup on n3lxx correctly tells me the address of journey2. Named is running, and the system is running snap-0622, GENERIC kernel. Problem is, journey2 keeps on telling me it can't do a lookup either on n3lxx, or on 192.168.64.1, when I try ftp. When I try nfs, it tells me that there's no such directory. I can use ftp or ncftp on n3lxx, as anonymous (yes, I have an ftp user with homedir = /) and can get directly to the directory. Don't know how to further test on the nfs stuff. Nothing (most likely) wrong hardware-wise, because ftp and nfs mounting worked fine before I wiped out the 2.0R system on Journey2. Nothing changed in hardware (both SMC Ultras) since then. No panics, either. Can anyone take any guesses at what I might investigate? I'll RTFM, if I can only get some idea which way to go with it. Thanks. ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- Chuck Robey | Interests include any kind of voice or data chuckr@eng.umd.edu | communications topic, C programming, and Unix. 9120 Edmonston Ct #302 | Greenbelt, MD 20770 | I run Journey2 (Freebsd 2.0R) and n3lxx (301) 220-2114 | (FreeBSD 2.0.5-snap) and am I happy! ----------------------------+----------------------------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 22:15:52 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id WAA25303 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:15:52 -0700 Received: from penzance.econ.yale.edu (penzance.econ.yale.edu [130.132.32.100]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with SMTP id WAA25296 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 22:15:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 01:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: -Vince- To: Michael Smith cc: msmith@atrad.adelaide.edu.au, FreeBSD-questions@freefall.cdrom.com Subject: Re: Some questions In-Reply-To: <199508032359.JAA04210@genesis.atrad.adelaide.edu.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: questions-owner@FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Fri, 4 Aug 1995, Michael Smith wrote: > -Vince- stands accused of saying: > > > Yup, any halfway decent bookstore should have the O'reilly books, or be > > > able to get them. http://www.ora.com may be easier if you're web-literate. > > > > Hmmm, okay. How much does this book cost? > > No idea 8) I'd guess around the US$30 mark, but book prices here are > horrendous. I bought it for $29.95, how does the DNS and Bind differ from their TCP/IP book? > > > SLiRP doesn't give a stuff about IP addresses, it uses whatever the client > > > machine claims to be. If you want to do more than feed a single client, > > > then you'll need to do things 'properly'. > > > > Hmmm, is there anyway to set it up so that it will give the > > correct ip assigned to that person? > > No, read what I said; It doesn't care. SLiRP performs all network actions > on the host, as the host, it just repackages the data it receives and > sends it down the wire to the SLIP client, and takes SLIP packets from the > client and reperforms tha action as though coming from the host. > > The actual IP number used by the client is irrelevant, it never gets > used anywhere for anything other than by SLiRP to send packets back > to the client. > > I'd suggest reading the documentation for SLiRP if I'm not making sense, > I think it does a much better job 8) I know what you mean but isn't there anyway to configure SLiRP so that it will default to a certain ip address for ppp/slip for each user so that they can't be using someone else's address? Cheers, -Vince- vince@kbrown.oldcampus.yale.edu - GUS Mailing Lists Admin UCLA Physics/Electrical Engineering - UC Berkeley Fall '95 SysAdmin bigbang.HIP.Berkeley.EDU - Running FreeBSD, Real UN*X for Free! From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 23:27:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA26862 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:27:37 -0700 Received: from rocky.sri.MT.net (sri.MT.net [204.94.231.129]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA26855 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:27:34 -0700 Received: (from nate@localhost) by rocky.sri.MT.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) id AAA13092; Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:29:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Aug 1995 00:29:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199508060629.AAA13092@rocky.sri.MT.net> To: davidg@Root.COM Cc: Marc Ramirez , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VM question In-Reply-To: <199508060420.VAA00986@corbin.Root.COM> References: <199508060420.VAA00986@corbin.Root.COM> Reply-To: nate@sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) From: nate@sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk [ Only using 15MB of process space ] DG> If you are using 15MB of virtual memory then over time the system can DG> potentially page out a large part of that in favor of file caching. Is there any way we can wire down the maximum percentage of memory used by the sytem for file caching, ala the old way of specifying 10% of memory for caching, except that this would be an upper limit? Nate From owner-freebsd-questions Sat Aug 5 23:45:37 1995 Return-Path: questions-owner Received: (from majordom@localhost) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) id XAA27322 for questions-outgoing; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:45:37 -0700 Received: from Root.COM (implode.Root.COM [198.145.90.17]) by freefall.cdrom.com (8.6.11/8.6.6) with ESMTP id XAA27316 for ; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:45:36 -0700 Received: from corbin.Root.COM (corbin [198.145.90.34]) by Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA06442; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:44:47 -0700 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by corbin.Root.COM (8.6.11/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA01583; Sat, 5 Aug 1995 23:46:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199508060646.XAA01583@corbin.Root.COM> To: nate@sneezy.sri.com (Nate Williams) cc: Marc Ramirez , questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: VM question In-reply-to: Your message of "Sun, 06 Aug 95 00:29:36 MDT." <199508060629.AAA13092@rocky.sri.MT.net> From: David Greenman Reply-To: davidg@Root.COM Date: Sat, 05 Aug 1995 23:46:16 -0700 Sender: questions-owner@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >[ Only using 15MB of process space ] > >DG> If you are using 15MB of virtual memory then over time the system can >DG> potentially page out a large part of that in favor of file caching. > >Is there any way we can wire down the maximum percentage of memory used >by the sytem for file caching, ala the old way of specifying 10% of >memory for caching, except that this would be an upper limit? Not currently. FreeBSD uses all of free memory for caching, and if there isn't any free memory, it will use "cache pages" and kick the pagedaemon. The algorithm could be less agressive by not draining free pages down so low and use a "cache_max" to set an upper bound on the cached pages. ...but then a lot of free memory will just be wasted most of the time. It really is much better to use the memory for caching whenever possible. We've messed with the algorithm a lot over the past 6 months, and I think we have a fairly good one right now. Perhaps we should be less aggressive about paging things out by weighting modified pages more heavily. We currently treat them almost the same as clean pages. Perhaps there should be a dirty page threshold of some kind that must be exceeded before paging out any dirty pages. I dunno...John and I have hashed this and similar questions out dozens of times and still don't have the perfect solution. -DG