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Date:      Mon, 18 Jun 2001 00:35:00 -0500 (CDT)
From:      David Scheidt <>
To:        Ted Mittelstaedt <>
Cc:        Brad Knowles <>, Rahul Siddharthan <>, <chat@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   RE: Mundie, Perens, GPL, BSD etc again
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In-Reply-To: <000301c0f6fc$9d87fb60$>

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On Sun, 17 Jun 2001, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

:This is somewhat of a bogus claim because the current "old-bugs" rolling off
:line in Mexico have catalytic converters and fuel injection - the engine
:and everything else has been completely redesigned, as well as the frame so
:can pass a modern crash test.  This is NOT the original
:Beetle design.  You can buy one of these here
:Of course good luck getting replacement parts unless your willing to have
:shipped from Mexico.

Beetles imported to the US from 75 to 80 had fuel injection and
catalytic converters, as did the Vanagon until 85 (when it went
water-cooled).  The engine in the Mexbug is the same as those, though
I think the fuel injection is different (still an off the shelf
Bosch, though).  Most of the running gear is the same, too, so parts
availabilty shouldn't be an issue.  Getting one of these cars is,
though.  Production has either ended, or is scheduled to in the next
month or so.

:>	Show me *ANYTHING* in this modern world where the same basic
:>design has been built in factories around the world for over sixty
:Most hand tools even precision ones (Micrometers, etc) have been around
:this long and those really haven't deviated from their original designs.

Lots of hand tools have changed quite a bit over 60 years.  They're made of
different materials, for one.  They're have been other pretty subtle
changes, too.  Box-end wreches and sockets have changed shape.

:I can think of some other things too, toasters, vacuum cleaners,
:light bulbs, etc.

There are things that it doesn't seem worth while to improve upon.  (How
many designs have safty pins gone through?)


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