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On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 04:33:59PM -0800, Ken Bolingbroke wrote:
> 
> 
> On Sat, 19 Jan 2002 rene@xs4all.nl wrote:
> 
> > So I've learned how to do basic scripting in /bin/sh. But boy-oh-boy is that
> > language arcane. ;-)
> >
> > What other language do you guys advise for system administration tasks such
> > as
> <SNIP>
> 
> Perl is _THE_ sysadmin language, really.  It runs on just about
> everything, and in fact, most common versions of UNIX come with it already
> installed.

<SNIP>

- Shell, well you mastered that :)
- Unix tools to complement the shell, awk, sed, grep(s), ed (yes, I said
  ed :), using "ed" in scripts with "here" documents is a much underused
  facility these days), find (OT can someone explain to me why find on
  FreeBSD is *so* slow), etc etc.
- Perl ..*sigh*.. Perl is devil spawn, but is as inevitable as the
  weather. It is a syntactic, semantic witches cauldron. Unfortunately
  some familiarity with it generally advisable. It does run everywhere,
  but don't be fooled into thinking that it survives change well, new
  versions do break old scripts sometimes. The book "Programming Perl"
  is not the book to learn it from, it is as eccentrically written as
  the language itself. 
  Perl is the ultimate contradiction of the Unix tool philosophy.. but
  let's not get into that :)
- I see some recommendations for Python, I have heard many good things
  about it as well, it sits high on my list of things to look at.

-- 
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Cliff



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Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> types:
> rxn> What other language do you guys advise for system administration tasks such
> rxn> as
> rxn> * checking if a remote host is up
> rxn> * pumping files & RAM data through external tools
> rxn> * calling scripts written in the same language on a remote machine, to
> rxn>   'pickup' data that was pumped to that machine by a local script.
> 
> rxn> My wishlist for the language, prioritized with most important first:
> rxn> * portability! to other UNIXes, and even Windoze.
> rxn> * low system demands - it needs to run on lowend boxes aswell
> rxn> * clear organization of any 'plugins' (which need to be replicated on other
> rxn>   machines aswell)
> rxn> * a nice errorhandling & logging system
> 
> rxn> I could really use some clues here. PHP comes into mind, but maybe there are
> rxn> other better options?
> 
> Two good choices are: Python and Java. The later is good for portabily
> to other type of systems.

Actually, I've found Python to be more portable than Java. Java's
portability is limited by the availability of the Java VM, which isn't
as portable as the Python VM. I've written Python GUI apps on Unix,
and they run unmodified on Windows and the Mac. 

Both Java and Python support CORBA for remote work. Python is a bit
uglier than Perl when it comes to munging strings and external
commands, but is generally more readable. That it has a REPL and Perl
doesn't is also nice.

The really cool tool is JPython, a Python implementation in Java. You
get the Python REPL running in an environment with your Java objects
loaded, so you can test them interactively, or use Python to build
debugging trusswork.

	<mike
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If I try to run ide_conf.exe from the FreeBSD 4.4 CD-ROM,
I get a following error:
Non-compatible or missing Hard Disk Controller!

Also when I try to install FreeBSD 4.4 (from CD-ROM) the first 
device probing goes allright but everything freezes after this line:
Mounting root from ufs:/dev/md0c

At this point a small sound comes from the hard disk as though
it tried to read something from there.

My motherboard specs are here:
http://www.ecsusa.com/ecsusa/www.ecs.com.tw/products/p6bapap.htm

I have one large IDE hard-disk which has 7560 Mbytes of space. 
It uses LBA mode in BIOS. Drive C is primary DOS (1890 Mbytes) 
which has Windows95 installed in it. Drive D is extended DOS 
(1875 Mbytes) which is reserved for Windows95 programs. The 
rest of the disk is unused and I had hoped that I could 
install FreeBSD on that space.

Could this mean that I have incompatible hard disk controller?
How do I know which hard disk controller I have?

Is there anything I can do?

PSL

BTW: I once had WindowsNT installed on the same disk with
Windows95 but then I removed NT completely. I still have
the NT OS loader, though. Could the NT OS loader mess with
the FreeBSD installer?


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<scanner@jurai.net> writes:

> > rene@xs4all.nl writes:
> > 
> > > * checking if a remote host is up
> > > * pumping files & RAM data through external tools
> > > * calling scripts written in the same language on a remote machine, to
> > >   'pickup' data that was pumped to that machine by a local script.
> > 
> > Perl was written with sysadmin work in mind. That was the original
> 
> Perl is a hideously ugly language that should be taken out and shot. Since
> your soliciting opinions :-) Python is a much easier, cleaner, and nicer
> language for sys admin tasksfor me then perl.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Python completely object orientated
? And doesn't it force you to write your code in an OO structure ? to
me that just seems like overkill for the average day to day sysadmin
task. 

Perl code can be ugly and wrong, but if written properly, it is easily
readable and easy to work with. 

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David Loszewski <stealth215@mediaone.net> writes:

> correct me if I'm wrong but FreeBSD systems can not get the code red
> right and other trojans, just Microsoft OS's?

There have been some trojans that were able to affect Linux systems
through vulnerable versions of named (lion). I'm not sure if this was
able to affect FreeBSD or not. Anyone care to comment ? 

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Trevin Chow <trevinchow@yahoo.com> writes:

> I'm trying to figure out how to properly setup mod_rewrite on Apache
> 1.3.22 to redirect
> requests for any sub-domain requests to the same subdomain but on a
> different port.
> 
> In other words:
> 
> http://<some_sub_domain>.foo.com    --->
> http://<same_sub_domain>.foo.com:8080/

I would guess something like
RewriteRule /(.*).foo.com http://$1.foo.com:8080/ \
[redirect=temporary,last]

Try that as a start. Also, set RewriteLogLevel to something like 3 and
watch what happens at the request stage. TURN THIS OFF BEFORE GOING
PRODUCTION! THE LOGS WILL EAT DISK SPACE _FAST_. Sorry, just had to
lob that in there :)

Lastly, be careful with directing web requests to ports other than 80
or 8080 if you want the world to be able to reach the site. A lot of
corporate firewalls these days only allow outgoing requests to certain
known ports.

HTH

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Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> writes:

> Two good choices are: Pyton and Java. The later is good for portabily
> to other type of systems.
> I woud stay away from Perl (stay off it for awail and you forget how
> to use it) or C(++) (You are asking for thouble, if your not a
> programmer)

I have to question the validity of Java for system
administration. Firstly the java sandbox concept often makes trivial
things like shelling out, running a command, and collecting the input
difficult. 

Secondly, most sysadmin tasks are quick things that are performed
often. The amount of system resources that you use for a Java
application, no matter how small (the JRE or JVM) seems excessive for
small scripts that will be run often.

Lastly, the fact that Java is not as portable as Sun would have us
believe (try move some servlet code from Tomcat to BEA WebLogic if
you're very bored) means that you're always going to be slightly
reworking your code for every environment that you want to run it. 

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On 20 Jan 2002 11:45:00 +0000
Wayne Pascoe <usenet@penguinpowered.org.uk> wrote:

: Perl code can be ugly and wrong, but if written properly, it is easily
: readable and easy to work with. 

I agree, IMHO bad code is not readable independently of the language in
which is written. Once you have mastered Perl, well-written Perl is
crystal clear, and often remarkably brief, concise. I second the
recommendations on studying portable sh and friends, and Perl.

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> Do you mean that you can not open those files even after you have run
> fsck
> successfully? If so, then fsck can not correct all corruptions.

Hi, 

yes, in fact I did. fsck didn't complain about the concerned files.
Only that you couldn't open or delete them.

Regards,
  k.j.


> On Sat, 12 Jan 2002, Klaus-J. Wolf wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > > it has happened to me several times: a machine crashes and
> somewhere in
> > the file system you'll find some trash afterwards which seems to be
> > resistant against fsck: a file which you cannot open because the
> system
> > tells you: "bad file descriptor".


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> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Python completely object orientated

you're wrong

> doesn't it force you to write your code in an OO structure ?
no

>[oo] just seems like overkill for the average day to day sysadmin
task.

also wrong :)


> Perl code can be ugly and wrong, but if written properly, it is easily
> readable and easy to work with. 

but that's correct
there is nothing wrong with perl

Perl & python try to combine the best of procedural, object orientated and
functional programming perl has a more freeflow style and the famous
MTOWTDI (more than one way to do it)

It's regarded as evil by many because code produced by experienced perl
coders ends up looking obfuscated. Perl is modelled on natural language
and has a set of pronouns ($_ for instance). This way you can end up with
some very terse code. This is great if you program in perl all the time
because you remember which actions affect which pronouns. If you are an occasional perl programmer then this is when it starts to get confusing.

Myself, I prefer my variable names to be explicit. The code _should_ be the documentation.


In the end my advice stays the same, go and read the tutorials for each of the mentioned languages and decide from there. You'll end up reading them one day anyway!


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At http://www.ndh.net/home/sschwarzer/python/perlpy_vortrag.html#empfehlungen
you find a comparison between Perl and Python in German. I will give the
concluding remarks in German and the translation:

Abschließende Bemerkungen
	Concluding remarks

 Faustregel: Wenn es nicht besondere Gründe gibt, Perl zu verwenden, sollte
man ein Projekt mit Python in Angriff nehmen.
	Rule of the thump: When there are no special reasons to use Perl, you should
use Python.

 Für beide (genauer: alle) Sprachen gilt: Erst denken, dann schreiben :-)
	For both (more precise: all) Languages you should thing before you write :)

 Auch in Python kann man unverständliche Programme schreiben, wenn man nicht
aufpasst.
	Also in Python it is possible to write uncompihendable programs if you are
not carefull.

Simon Siemonsma

 Die Zeit, die man in Python bei der "Implementation im Kleinen" spart
(Fehlersuche!), kann man zum Herausfinden von besserem Programmdesign und
besseren Algorithmen verwenden.

On Sunday 20 January 2002 11:45, you wrote:
> <scanner@jurai.net> writes:
> > > rene@xs4all.nl writes:
> > > > * checking if a remote host is up
> > > > * pumping files & RAM data through external tools
> > > > * calling scripts written in the same language on a remote machine,
> > > > to 'pickup' data that was pumped to that machine by a local script.
> > >
> > > Perl was written with sysadmin work in mind. That was the original
> >
> > Perl is a hideously ugly language that should be taken out and shot.
> > Since your soliciting opinions :-) Python is a much easier, cleaner, and
> > nicer language for sys admin tasksfor me then perl.
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Python completely object orientated
> ? And doesn't it force you to write your code in an OO structure ? to
> me that just seems like overkill for the average day to day sysadmin
> task.
>
> Perl code can be ugly and wrong, but if written properly, it is easily
> readable and easy to work with.

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Hello all

I have problem to install the solaris 8.0?
Could you tell us how to do?

Display card TNT M64 32M. But Solaris doesn't have
this driver!

1/ Can I use another display driver to replace it?
if yes. which one can I use?

2/ Can I use freebsd display driver to install to
Solaris? If yes. what steps?

3/ If 1) and 2) don't work, I don't want to run
solaris in  x-window. But the solaris boots in X? how
can I stop it and make it boot in console mode?

I know it is not suitable to post it in this group.
but could you let me know the solaris newsgroups?

Thank you very much for your help




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The local maildelivery still works, that is, daily reporting 
and daemons will still mail the root account.
Type 'mail' or 'man mail' for more info.

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Joe & Fhe Barbish wrote:

> I have sendmail disabled in rc.conf and today when I 
> booted up I get this message 'You have new mail'. 
> How could I have mail? 
> How do I look at it?
> 
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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:18:19PM +0100, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:
> The local maildelivery still works, that is, daily reporting 
> and daemons will still mail the root account.
> Type 'mail' or 'man mail' for more info.

Also, edit /etc/aliases to divert root's email to your normal user
account.  For example, I have the line:

root:   scott

in mine.  That way I get all the regular system emails without needing to
become root, and I can read them with my normal mail reading setup.  I also
have procmail set up to file all such mails in a separate mailbox
automatically.

Don't forget to run /usr/bin/newaliases after editing the aliases file, to
rebuild the alias database.

HTH,

	Scott

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Hello,

My name is Mihail Stoyanov and I'm using FreeBSD as a
desktop OS. I like to keep my system up-to-date but I
encountered some difficulties while installing glibc 2.2.4.
My FreeBSD is version 4.4-RELEASE. When I tried to configure
glibc 2.2.4 I got the following message:
"freemind# ./configure
loading cache ./config.cache
checking host system type... i386-unknown-freebsd4.4
*** The GNU C library is currently not available for this
platform.
*** So far nobody cared to port it and if there is no
volunteer it
*** might never happen.  So, if you have interest to see
glibc on
*** this platform visit
***     http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/porting.html
*** and join the group of porters"

I would be very glad if you can help me install glibc (my
default version is 2.1.2). Thank you for your time and
consideration.

				Respectfully: M. Stoyanov
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Hello Mike,

Sunday, January 20, 2002, 9:07:03 AM, you wrote:

MM> Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> types:
>> rxn> What other language do you guys advise for system administration tasks such
>> rxn> as
>> rxn> * checking if a remote host is up
>> rxn> * pumping files & RAM data through external tools
>> rxn> * calling scripts written in the same language on a remote machine, to
>> rxn>   'pickup' data that was pumped to that machine by a local script.
>> 
>> rxn> My wishlist for the language, prioritized with most important first:
>> rxn> * portability! to other UNIXes, and even Windoze.
>> rxn> * low system demands - it needs to run on lowend boxes aswell
>> rxn> * clear organization of any 'plugins' (which need to be replicated on other
>> rxn>   machines aswell)
>> rxn> * a nice errorhandling & logging system
>> 
>> rxn> I could really use some clues here. PHP comes into mind, but maybe there are
>> rxn> other better options?
>> 
>> Two good choices are: Python and Java. The later is good for portabily
>> to other type of systems.

MM> Actually, I've found Python to be more portable than Java. Java's
MM> portability is limited by the availability of the Java VM, which isn't
MM> as portable as the Python VM. I've written Python GUI apps on Unix,
MM> and they run unmodified on Windows and the Mac. 

Im not that in to Python, so can't say to much about it. Its on my
list to try, but that may take a wail. I didn't see a platform that didn't have a
Java VM availble. Than again i didn't see that many. What you say bout
the Python GUI apps is also true with the Java GUI apps.

MM> Both Java and Python support CORBA for remote work. Python is a bit
MM> uglier than Perl when it comes to munging strings and external
MM> commands, but is generally more readable. That it has a REPL and Perl
MM> doesn't is also nice.

CORBA is good for (remote) compatibility with other langauges. If you
wan't remote work from Java to Java you can use RMI or Activation
(server side based on RMI). Since RMI doesn't have to work with other
languages it doesn't have the same limits as CORBA.

MM> The really cool tool is JPython, a Python implementation in Java. You
MM> get the Python REPL running in an environment with your Java objects
MM> loaded, so you can test them interactively, or use Python to build
MM> debugging trusswork.

Best regards,
 Alfatrion


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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Cliff Sarginson wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 08:53:57PM -0800, Gary W. Swearingen wrote:
> > Greg Lehey <grog@FreeBSD.org> writes:
> >
> > > date(1).  Why would you ever want to change the processor time and not
> > > the CMOS time?  The CMOS clock is only a backup for the processor
> > > clock.
> >
> > Maybe because the OS I use 90% of the time maintains an offset between
> > the CMOS clock and the OS clock using a sophisticated clock speed
> > estimation algorithm which is not sophisticated enough to handle big
> > step changes in the CMOS clock done by other OSes between boots without
> > being told about it?
> >
> > That's not my current situation as I dropped Linux cold Turkey and the
> > clock speed program isn't supported for FreeBSD.  I'm OK with the "date"
> > method, but I"m not happy that the "date" man page doesn't say what
> > the command does better than it does.  (It says "date will set the date
> > and time" and doesn't mention CMOS/MB or OS clocks.)  I've added it to
> > my list of PRs to be written.
> >
> I run both Linux and FreeBSD.
> As a consequence of this thread I just re-read the Linux manual page
> on "hwclock". If ever a PR needs raising on something it is to provide
> a manual page in Linux to explain the manual page on "hwclock" :).
>
> FreeBSD "date" is the Unix date command, as with so many things tracing
> it's inheritance back to the beginnings of Unix itself.
>
> Linux uses GNU's date program, and buried somewhere in the "info"
> page on Gnu date you will just about be able to work out that you
> can set the system date/time with it as well as the kernel's.
>
> I think it is interesting that someone says a PR should be raised
> against something in FreeBSD, that is the same in all Unix systems
> but is different in Linux. What is probably the problem here is that
> coming from Linux to FreeBSD carries with it the assumption, perhaps
> understandably, that somehow everything on both systems is sort of the
> same. What is called for is probably not a PR for the date page, but
> someone to create some kind of brief list of surprises for Linux users
> coming to FreeBSD. It would have never have occurred to me that a Linux
> user would not know about the "date" command, but that is because I
> have worked on Unix systems for a long time. When I first started
> looking at Linux this hwclock stuff suprised me !
>
> I think one of the writers was referring also to Windows, and yes it
> is a real pain running Windows/FreeBSD/Linux on the same computer. Not
> only for this reason but more because Windows does not understand the concept
> of a hardware clock set to UTC (at least if it does I have never seen how to
> make it do so and get the local time right).
>
> Btw "apropos time" does throw up the "date" command.
>
> --
> Regards
> Cliff

	I actually considered hwclock to be strange as well, but it isn't
only strange coming from Unix, it strange coming from DOS as well! :-)

I was under the impression that Windows NT stored all date/time flags in
the system in UTC, and then converts to the current time zone of the
system when the information needs to be displayed.

It seems rather ridiculous to not store the CMOS time in UTC, since it
would then need to convert to UTC to store file access times, and then
convert back to the system's time zone when the user issues a command such
as "dir."

- Marco Radzinschi


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When I type make in /usr/ports/postfix I get asked if want to install stuff 
like:
	Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
	Curus SASL
	Berkeley DB3
	MySQL map lookups
	OpenLDAP map lookups
	SMTP/LMTP test server and generator
	Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security
	IPv6 support

What the hell is this? I just want to build postfix.

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Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> types:
> Hello Mike,
> Sunday, January 20, 2002, 9:07:03 AM, you wrote:
> MM> Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> types:
> MM> Actually, I've found Python to be more portable than Java. Java's
> MM> portability is limited by the availability of the Java VM, which isn't
> MM> as portable as the Python VM. I've written Python GUI apps on Unix,
> MM> and they run unmodified on Windows and the Mac. 
> Im not that in to Python, so can't say to much about it. Its on my
> list to try, but that may take a wail. I didn't see a platform that didn't have a
> Java VM availble. Than again i didn't see that many. What you say bout
> the Python GUI apps is also true with the Java GUI apps.

I'm aware of that. The problems I've had with Java were all on Unix
platforms. Things like having to install three different VM's to get
Java programs from four different vendors to run. A few clients have
said "we develop for *this* JVM; we don't care if it works on any of
the others." While Java VM's exist for more platforms than Python runs
on, no one Java VM runs on all the platforms that Python runs on. It
may be that things are better now, so that most Java programs aren't
tied to a single JVM. It might also be that for the task at hand -
system administration - the difference between JVM's won't matter.

> MM> Both Java and Python support CORBA for remote work. Python is a bit
> MM> uglier than Perl when it comes to munging strings and external
> MM> commands, but is generally more readable. That it has a REPL and Perl
> MM> doesn't is also nice.
> CORBA is good for (remote) compatibility with other langauges. If you
> wan't remote work from Java to Java you can use RMI or Activation
> (server side based on RMI). Since RMI doesn't have to work with other
> languages it doesn't have the same limits as CORBA.

True. There's a couple of Python-specific remote method invocation
implementations floating around, but I haven't investigated them. I
like the ability to choose the language appropriate for each object
that comes with using CORBA.

	<mike
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On Sunday 20 January 2002 09:45 am, Mihail Stoyanov wrote:
> Hello,
>
> My name is Mihail Stoyanov and I'm using FreeBSD as a
> desktop OS. I like to keep my system up-to-date but I
> encountered some difficulties while installing glibc 2.2.4.
> My FreeBSD is version 4.4-RELEASE. When I tried to configure
> glibc 2.2.4 I got the following message:
> "freemind# ./configure
> loading cache ./config.cache
> checking host system type... i386-unknown-freebsd4.4
> *** The GNU C library is currently not available for this
> platform.
> *** So far nobody cared to port it and if there is no
> volunteer it
> *** might never happen.  So, if you have interest to see
> glibc on
> *** this platform visit
> ***     http://www.gnu.org/software/libc/porting.html
> *** and join the group of porters"
>
> I would be very glad if you can help me install glibc (my
> default version is 2.1.2). Thank you for your time and
> consideration.

FreeBSD doesn't use glibc at all. We have our own libc. 

The way to keep your system up to date is to use cvsup and make 
world; read 
http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/cutting-edge.html
to find out what I'm talking about.

-- 
Ray Kohler
A psychiatrist is a person who will give you expensive answers that
your wife will give you for free.

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I'm not sure if my question arrived on the list
So here I go again
I'm searching for documentation on multi keyboard/graphiccard in freebsd c=
an 
someone give me a link or an answer if it's even possible ??

Thanks 



Tomi

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:46:46AM -0500, Mark Woodson wrote:
> At 09:36 PM 1/19/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> >On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Mark Woodson wrote:
> > > At 08:58 PM 1/19/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > > >I could really use some clues here. PHP comes into mind, but maybe there
> > > >are other better options?
> > >
> > > Other options certainly.  Perl for starters.  Have you looked at it?
> >
> >yea, I saw some really scary stuff in some perlmongers' email sigs ;-))
> 
> Yeah, well...  Python, you could always hack away in the ultimate language, C.

well, to add my own 2cts after I give you my background which is being a
windowze coder for about 7 years in Delphi, VB and some C++.
I have now switched to the unixes some time ago, to see if the open source
grass really IS greener than the black-box grass of windoze.. 

My philosophy is that I'd rather use a less-complicated language like
pascal or (if must be and the business logic isn't that complicated) Visual
Basic than a complicated language such as C++ or Perl. 

See, the thing is that in C++ or Perl, you often end up figuring out the style
of programming used by 'the guy who tinkered with it before you' instead of
fixing or extending the code at hand.
If several types of coders have had their hands at such code, things often
turn too messy to maintain :(

Perl / C++ people; I don't aim to put you down, or expect flames in return.
This is just an opinion, and I fully admit that I don't know Perl at all
and C++ only very very shallowly. I saw, didn't like, so turned my back on
those languages... Maybe I was wrong. Convince me, nicely ;-)

BTW; thanx for the discussion so far. It's been quite an interesting read!

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:07:25AM -0600, Mike Meyer wrote:
> Alfatrion <alfatrion@cybertron.tmfweb.nl> types:
> 
<SNIP>
> True. There's a couple of Python-specific remote method invocation
> implementations floating around, but I haven't investigated them. I
> like the ability to choose the language appropriate for each object
> that comes with using CORBA.
> 

Mmm, considering this and other answers (including my own), they are
all trying to answer the question (what is "good" for system
administration). The question may have have been what, in a practical
sense is the best to learn in terms of portability, skills, and
what may shine best on your CV as a "Unix Systems Admin" 

The answer to these two questions is not the same.

For the wider world I think the answer is still:

- Know the shell backwards and all the needed tools for use with the
  shell.
- (Painful as I find this to say) learn Perl. There is such a huge
  amount of canned modules for Perl available, and it is increasingly
  used where people used to write "C" for something too slow to be
  done in the shell, that I don;t think there are any other players
  seriously in the game yet.

Java (the language) and Java (the script) .. which do not have any
relationship to each other whatsoever btw .. are not really used,
or are ever likely to be, for Systems Administration at it's usual
level. Most of the other suggestions are still really "niche" markets.

Mmm. There was as usual, the comment that it is possible to write
cryptic code in any language. Due to the totally eccentric nature of
Perl, it's completely undisciplined growth, it's lack of syntactic
integrity, it's arbitrary semantics etc etc .. it makes it much easier 
to do this than in most other languages :). But it's here to stay.

-- 

Regards
Cliff



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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 06:01:34PM +0100, rene@xs4all.nl wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 10:46:46AM -0500, Mark Woodson wrote:
> > At 09:36 PM 1/19/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > >On Sat, Jan 19, 2002 at 03:13:21PM -0500, Mark Woodson wrote:
> > > > At 08:58 PM 1/19/2002 +0100, you wrote:
> > > > >I could really use some clues here. PHP comes into mind, but maybe there
> > > > >are other better options?
> > > >
> > > > Other options certainly.  Perl for starters.  Have you looked at it?
> > >
> > >yea, I saw some really scary stuff in some perlmongers' email sigs ;-))
> > 
> > Yeah, well...  Python, you could always hack away in the ultimate language, C.
> 
> well, to add my own 2cts after I give you my background which is being a
> windowze coder for about 7 years in Delphi, VB and some C++.
> I have now switched to the unixes some time ago, to see if the open source
> grass really IS greener than the black-box grass of windoze.. 
> 
> My philosophy is that I'd rather use a less-complicated language like
> pascal or (if must be and the business logic isn't that complicated) Visual
> Basic than a complicated language such as C++ or Perl. 
> 
> See, the thing is that in C++ or Perl, you often end up figuring out the style
> of programming used by 'the guy who tinkered with it before you' instead of
> fixing or extending the code at hand.
> If several types of coders have had their hands at such code, things often
> turn too messy to maintain :(
> 
> Perl / C++ people; I don't aim to put you down, or expect flames in return.
> This is just an opinion, and I fully admit that I don't know Perl at all
> and C++ only very very shallowly. I saw, didn't like, so turned my back on
> those languages... Maybe I was wrong. Convince me, nicely ;-)
> 
Well, the question is about languages for System Administration, which
really is not the same thing as languages for System's Programming.
Using a compiled language like "C" etc. is really quite inappropriate
for systems administration actvivities, not least of which it would
be incredibly complex programming in some cases where a one line shell
pipe-line would do it. Using an interpreted (using that word loosely)
language for these tasks, which is easy to change and test, and is
generally not time critical, is the only sensible option.

I hope you were not serious about Pascal btw.
Possibly the *most* unportable language on the planet.
Almost nothing useful can be done in it outside of mathematical
computation, without it's extensions, and it's extensions are
all different in every incarnation of the language to be found.

-- 
Regards
Cliff



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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 04:52:04PM +0000, Simon Siemonsma wrote:
> When I type make in /usr/ports/postfix I get asked if want to install stuff 
> like:
> 	Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
> 	Curus SASL
> 	Berkeley DB3
> 	MySQL map lookups
> 	OpenLDAP map lookups
> 	SMTP/LMTP test server and generator
> 	Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security
> 	IPv6 support
> 
> What the hell is this? I just want to build postfix.
> 
Postfix can support all of the above directly, should you so wish.
For example you may use LDAP for your hosts database, etc.
If you don't know what they are all for, then you probably don't
need them :). I would select the Perl regex support though and
ignore the others. But it is hard to say without knowing your local
situation (you may work in an environment where SSL/TLS matters
for example).

-- 
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Hello to all.

Again I have the problem, that the installation of the GNome-Package
needs a very long time (now there are six hours gone, and nothing is
complete, sometimes a package is installed then there is a pause of
20-30 minutes).
A reader of the FreeBSD-newsgroup told me to install first the base
operating-system with X-Support ("X-User"), after reboot configure the
X-Server and then install the GNome-Package.
I have done this, but the installation-time is about hours(!!!).

I have FreeBSD 4.4 stable (on 6 CDs).
My Notebook is a Toshiba 200CDS with CDROM.

Please help

Jürgen

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Simon Siemonsma <simon.freebsd@hccnet.nl> writes:

| When I type make in /usr/ports/postfix I get asked if want to install stuff 
| like:
| 	Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
| 	Curus SASL
| 	Berkeley DB3
| 	MySQL map lookups
| 	OpenLDAP map lookups
| 	SMTP/LMTP test server and generator
| 	Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security
| 	IPv6 support
| 
| What the hell is this? I just want to build postfix.

That's a little like telling the car salesman that you just want a car, and
don't care whether it's an automatic or manual transmission.

In order:

     * 	Perl Compatible Regular Expressions

        If you're a Perl user, this can be very useful, as you can use all the
        Perl regex syntax you're familiar with.  If you're not, you'll find
        this confusing.  So use this if you're a Perl user.

     * 	Cyrus SASL

        If you use Cyrus as your IMAP server, set this; if not, don't.

     * 	Berkeley DB3

        If you've installed db3 on your system, you may want to use this.  db3
        is a fast, if minimalist, database system that Postfix can use to speed
        up lookups.  If you don't use db3 on your system, or have a fairly
        small mail installation, don't use this.

     * 	MySQL map lookups

        If you have MySQL on your system, you have the option of telling
        Postfix that you want to use it for map lookups.  If you don't, or if
        you have a small mail installation, don't use it.

     * 	OpenLDAP map lookups

        If you're using OpenLDAP, you can use it for map lookups instead.  If
        you don't, or you have a small mail installation, don't use it.

     * 	SMTP/LMTP test server and generator

        Almost certainly unnecessary for your installation.

     *	Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security

        If you want to use SSL or TLS for mail transfer, use this.  If not,
        don't.

     * 	IPv6 support

        If you're using IPv6 addresses, you'll want to use this.  If not,
        don't.

The postfix port tries to make this really, really easy for you, but perhaps it
would be better if it provided a little more explanation for the options.  In
any case, it's not trying to be confusing.

If you don't like this, then you definitely don't want to install ghostscript.
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I didn't install, nor do I want at this X-windows
on my pc. why is emacs asking for an x library?

I'm new to emacs I assumed it was text based
like vi is(?)





>===== Original Message From Ray Kohler <rkohler1@cox.rr.com> =====
>On Saturday 19 January 2002 11:18 pm, leegold wrote:
>> I installed emacs from the packages.
>> I then typed # emacs and got the following error message:
>>
>> /usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: shared object "libXaw.so.6" not found
>>
>> and emacs does not open. Can anyone help me fix this?
>> I may not have the errmessage exactly but the above is the
>> gist of it. FreeBSD 4.4
>
>Well, libXaw is part of XFree86, but now it's at 7, not 6. So
>either:
>1) your X is newer than the package (in which case you ought to
>uninstall the emacs package and build it from the port instead) or
>2) your X installation is goofed up (in which case you ought to
>reinstall X from ports).
>
>What does "ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw*" show? If you get some
>files (not counting the ones with "3d" in their names), then you
>should do option 1 above, if not, do option 2.
>
>--
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allworld# pwd
/
allworld# df -h
Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/da0s1a    32G    29G   1.2G    96%    /
procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
allworld# ls
.cshrc          COPYRIGHT       boot            compat          dist
home            kernel.GENERIC  modules         root            stand
tmp             var
.profile        bin             cdrom           dev             etc
kernel          mnt             proc            sbin            sys
usr
allworld# du -hs bin boot  cdrom compat dev dist etc home mnt modules root
sbin stand sys tmp usr var
3.8M    bin
545K    boot
1.0K    cdrom
  0B    compat
 61K    dev
1.0K    dist
833K    etc
  0B    home
1.0K    mnt
4.6M    modules
 16K    root
 11M    sbin
1.9M    stand
  0B    sys
1.0K    tmp
1.4G    usr
108M    var
allworld#

how can it show that 29G is used if barly 2G is used in total, what am i
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Hi,

i installed the following ports on freebsd4.4:
mysql323-server, apache13-modssl, mod_php4 port, jdk(1.1.8)

and want to have php java/ext support. I added the following lines in =
the configure.php
script of the mod_php4 port.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------
JAVA            "Java Support" ON \

\"JAVA\")
echo "CONFIGURE_ARGS+=3D--with-java=3D/usr/local/jdk1.1.8"
;;
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------
my php.ini script:

extension=3Dlibphp_java.so
[Java]
java.class.path =3D /usr/local/lib/php/php_java.jar
java.home =3D /usr/local/jdk1.1.8
java.library =3D /usr/local/lib/php/20010901/libphp_java.so
java.library.path =3D /usr/local/lib/php
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------
my javatest.php programm:

<?php

  $system =3D new Java("java.lang.System");
  print "Java version=3D".$system->getProperty("java.version")." =
<br>\n";
  print "Java vendor=3D".$system->getProperty("java.vendor")." <p>\n\n";
  print "OS=3D".$system->getProperty("os.name")." ".
              $system->getProperty("os.version")." on ".
              $system->getProperty("os.arch")." <br>\n";

  $formatter =3D new Java("java.text.SimpleDateFormat","EEEE,
        MMMM dd, yyyy 'at' h:mm:ss a zzzz");
  print $formatter->format(new Java("java.util.Date"))."\n";

?>
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------

I got the following error in the browser window:

Fatal error: Cannot instantiate non-existent class: java in =
/usr/local/www/data.default/javatest.php on line 3

Any idea ?
regards thomas


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<META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; =
charset=3Diso-8859-1">
<META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2600.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>i installed the following ports on=20
freebsd4.4:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mysql323-server, </FONT><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>apache13-modssl, </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mod_php4 =
port,=20
jdk(1.1.8)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and want to have php java/ext support. =
I added the=20
following lines in the configure.php</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>script of the mod_php4 =
port.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>----------------------------------------------------------------=
--------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>JAVA&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;=20
"Java Support" ON \<BR></FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>\"JAVA\")<BR>echo=20
"CONFIGURE_ARGS+=3D--with-java=3D/usr/local/jdk1.1.8"<BR>;;<BR>----------=
-------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my php.ini script:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>extension=3Dlibphp_java.so<BR>[Java]<BR>java.class.path =3D=20
/usr/local/lib/php/php_java.jar<BR>java.home =3D=20
/usr/local/jdk1.1.8<BR>java.library =3D=20
/usr/local/lib/php/20010901/libphp_java.so<BR>java.library.path =3D=20
/usr/local/lib/php<BR>---------------------------------------------------=
---------------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>my javatest.php programm:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&lt;?php</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; $system =3D new=20
Java("java.lang.System");<BR>&nbsp; print "Java=20
version=3D".$system-&gt;getProperty("java.version")." =
&lt;br&gt;\n";<BR>&nbsp;=20
print "Java vendor=3D".$system-&gt;getProperty("java.vendor")."=20
&lt;p&gt;\n\n";<BR>&nbsp; print =
"OS=3D".$system-&gt;getProperty("os.name")."=20
".<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;=20
$system-&gt;getProperty("os.version")." on=20
".<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;=20
$system-&gt;getProperty("os.arch")." &lt;br&gt;\n";</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; $formatter =3D new=20
Java("java.text.SimpleDateFormat","EEEE,<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
MMMM dd, yyyy 'at' h:mm:ss a zzzz");<BR>&nbsp; print =
$formatter-&gt;format(new=20
Java("java.util.Date"))."\n";</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>?&gt;<BR>-------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------------------------</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I got the following error in the =
browser=20
window:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT size=3D3><FONT=20
face=3D"Times New Roman"><STRONG>Fatal error</STRONG>: Cannot =
instantiate=20
non-existent class: java in =
<B>/usr/local/www/data.default/javatest.php</B> on=20
line <B>3</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Any idea ?</DIV>
<DIV>regards thomas</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><STRONG><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman"=20
size=3D3></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Allen Landsidel wrote:

> [please reply off-list.. not subscribed.]
> 
> Ok.. for several hours I've been banging my head against the
> proverbial brick wall, trying to resolve an issue that's been a
> nuisance for some time.
> 
> To start from the begining.. my network looks like this :
> 
> [LAN] <--> [firewall] <--> [router] <--> [internet]
> 
> The lan side has a public /28 block.

	Why does the lan have a public block?


> The firewall has one address from that block on the interior
> interface, and an address in the 10/8 block on the exterior. The
> router has an address on the 10/8 block on the interior, the ISP
> assigned address on the WAN interface, and a static route to the
> firewall 10/8 for my IP block.
> 
> The problem is simple : All outgoing traffic that *originates* on the
> firewall attempts to use the 10/8 address.  I'm looking for some easy
> way to force it to use it's internal address for traffic destined to
> go out the exterior interface, but so far to no avail.
> 

	The real problem here is that you are running publics on your
	inside.  Why are you doing this and not using static nat for this?

	If you have a good reason, then maybe running nat on the router or
	getting another /30 for your BSD<-->Router would help out.  You
	could also trip out nat but it would be a mess.

> My brain can't seem to think of a way to do this via route, and natd +
> my current stateful IPFW appears to be a no-go.. searching the lists
> and usenet have turned up others with the same problems, but no real
> solutions using these tools.  Apparently my only options are:

>    1) ditch the stateful ipfw configuration in favor of a simple 
> 'established' rule (ick)

	That might help while you are debugging.

>    2) (maybe?) switch to ipf/ipnat.

	This will gain you nothing...probably make things worse.

>    3) Set up a proxy on one of the internal machines and have the firewall 
> go through that to get out (ick)

	No.

>    4) Probably other silly hacks like 1,3 that are no more elegant.
> 

Nick Rogness <nick@rogness.net>
 - Don't mind me...I'm just sniffing your packets


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On Sunday 20 January 2002 18:05, you wrote:
> Simon Siemonsma <simon.freebsd@hccnet.nl> writes:
> | When I type make in /usr/ports/postfix I get asked if want to install
> | stuff like:
> | 	Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
> | 	Curus SASL
> | 	Berkeley DB3
> | 	MySQL map lookups
> | 	OpenLDAP map lookups
> | 	SMTP/LMTP test server and generator
> | 	Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security
> | 	IPv6 support
> |
> | What the hell is this? I just want to build postfix.
>
> That's a little like telling the car salesman that you just want a car, and
> don't care whether it's an automatic or manual transmission.
>
> In order:
>
>      * 	Perl Compatible Regular Expressions
>
>         If you're a Perl user, this can be very useful, as you can use all
> the Perl regex syntax you're familiar with.  If you're not, you'll find
> this confusing.  So use this if you're a Perl user.
>
>      * 	Cyrus SASL
>
>         If you use Cyrus as your IMAP server, set this; if not, don't.
>
>      * 	Berkeley DB3
>
>         If you've installed db3 on your system, you may want to use this.
> db3 is a fast, if minimalist, database system that Postfix can use to speed
> up lookups.  If you don't use db3 on your system, or have a fairly small
> mail installation, don't use this.
>
>      * 	MySQL map lookups
>
>         If you have MySQL on your system, you have the option of telling
>         Postfix that you want to use it for map lookups.  If you don't, or
> if you have a small mail installation, don't use it.
>
>      * 	OpenLDAP map lookups
>
>         If you're using OpenLDAP, you can use it for map lookups instead.
> If you don't, or you have a small mail installation, don't use it.
>
>      * 	SMTP/LMTP test server and generator
>
>         Almost certainly unnecessary for your installation.
>
>      *	Secure Sockets Layer and Transport Layer Security
>
>         If you want to use SSL or TLS for mail transfer, use this.  If not,
>         don't.

This can be used to transfer mail to my ISP?

>      * 	IPv6 support
>
>         If you're using IPv6 addresses, you'll want to use this.  If not,
>         don't.
>
> The postfix port tries to make this really, really easy for you, but
> perhaps it would be better if it provided a little more explanation for the
> options.  In any case, it's not trying to be confusing.
>
> If you don't like this, then you definitely don't want to install
> ghostscript.

With ghostscript at least it did give some emplanation. I just switched
everything of which indicated it was a printer name, and left everything on
which inidcated it was related to a file format or a way to display things.

> :)
>
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leegold writes:
> I didn't install, nor do I want at this X-windows
> on my pc. why is emacs asking for an x library?
> 
> I'm new to emacs I assumed it was text based
> like vi is(?)
> 

Make it like this ``WITHOUT_X11=1 make install'' and it won't
include the X11 stuff. Or try starting it with the -nw (no
windowing) flag.

I'm assuming emacs21 here.

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:45:00AM +0000, Wayne Pascoe wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Python completely object orientated
> ? And doesn't it force you to write your code in an OO structure ? to
> me that just seems like overkill for the average day to day sysadmin
> task.=20

Python is object oriented, but it does not force you to program
everything in an OO manner. It is like C++ in that respect.

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Hello tm,

Sunday, January 20, 2002, 7:56:25 PM, you wrote:

t> Hi,

t> i installed the following ports on freebsd4.4:
t> mysql323-server, apache13-modssl, mod_php4 port, jdk(1.1.8)

t> and want to have php java/ext support. I added the following lines in the configure.php
t> script of the mod_php4 port.

I don't know about php and java, but i do have an altenitive for you.
JSP (Java Server Pages). You can find a tutorial about JSP, tomcat
(webserver, can be combined with apache - i be happy to help you
connect if you have trouble) ,mysql and more, here: http://www.kjkoster.org/java/content/packages.jsp

Best regards,
 Alex


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Hey all,

I just cut a kernel to include SMP and I would like to
check the status of the CPUs (2 P3s).  I know the new
kernel booted fine because dmesg and motd (plus the
clean boot...) but I'd like to get that warm fuzzy
feeling from manually seeing that both CPUs are in
action.

Thanx

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Simply looking at top should show you :)

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Hey all,

I just cut a kernel to include SMP and I would like to
check the status of the CPUs (2 P3s).  I know the new
kernel booted fine because dmesg and motd (plus the
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Thanx

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is your home directory truly totally empty?

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allworld# pwd
/
allworld# df -h
Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/da0s1a    32G    29G   1.2G    96%    /
procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
allworld# ls
.cshrc          COPYRIGHT       boot            compat          dist
home            kernel.GENERIC  modules         root            stand
tmp             var
.profile        bin             cdrom           dev             etc
kernel          mnt             proc            sbin            sys
usr
allworld# du -hs bin boot  cdrom compat dev dist etc home mnt modules root
sbin stand sys tmp usr var
3.8M    bin
545K    boot
1.0K    cdrom
  0B    compat
 61K    dev
1.0K    dist
833K    etc
  0B    home
1.0K    mnt
4.6M    modules
 16K    root
 11M    sbin
1.9M    stand
  0B    sys
1.0K    tmp
1.4G    usr
108M    var
allworld#

how can it show that 29G is used if barly 2G is used in total, what am i
missing?


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Has anybody managed to get this port to install. I've installed all of the 
dependencies manually and deleted and reinstalled the port several times. 
Here is the error I get when I try to install it.

please bear with the broken lines

/usr/X11R6/include/qt2/qtextstream.h:291: class QTextStream & operator  
<<(QTextStream &, QTextStream & (*)(QTextStream &))

/usr/X11R6/include/qt2/qtextstream.h:294: class QTextStream & operator 
<<(QTextStream &, QTSManip)

gmake[1]: *** [QtellaSub.o] Error 1

gmake[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ports/net/qtella/work/qtella-0.2.1/src'

gmake: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

*** Error code 2

Stop in /usr/ports/net/qtella.

*** Error code 1

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> is your home directory truly totally empty?
>
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> [mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of alexus
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>
> allworld# pwd
> /
> allworld# df -h
> Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
> /dev/da0s1a    32G    29G   1.2G    96%    /
> procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
> allworld# ls
> .cshrc          COPYRIGHT       boot            compat          dist
> home            kernel.GENERIC  modules         root            stand
> tmp             var
> .profile        bin             cdrom           dev             etc
> kernel          mnt             proc            sbin            sys
> usr
> allworld# du -hs bin boot  cdrom compat dev dist etc home mnt modules root
> sbin stand sys tmp usr var
> 3.8M    bin
> 545K    boot
> 1.0K    cdrom
>   0B    compat
>  61K    dev
> 1.0K    dist
> 833K    etc
>   0B    home
> 1.0K    mnt
> 4.6M    modules
>  16K    root
>  11M    sbin
> 1.9M    stand
>   0B    sys
> 1.0K    tmp
> 1.4G    usr
> 108M    var
> allworld#
>
> how can it show that 29G is used if barly 2G is used in total, what am i
> missing?
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Where can I get (download) FreeBSD version 2.05?

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:00:31PM -0500, alexus wrote:
> 

>> > allworld# pwd
>> > /
>> > allworld# df -h
>> > Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
>> > /dev/da0s1a    32G    29G   1.2G    96%    /
>> > procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc
>> > usr
>> > allworld# du -hs bin boot  cdrom compat dev dist etc home mnt modules root
>> > sbin stand sys tmp usr var

[..snip..]
>> >
>> > how can it show that 29G is used if barly 2G is used in total, what am i
>> > missing?

>> > is your home directory truly totally empty?

> yeh

Hmm... ok, after some rewriting this is getting somewhere near readable.
OK, now for some answering.
Do you have file descriptors open to files you have deleted? Check with
ps if you have vi's, tail's, less's open for old files, or files rotated
long ago.
Check with fstat if that happens.
Files that are open when unlinked are not removed from the filesystem
until the last handle is closed, even though they don't show up in df
and du.

Check for daemons that use huge tempfiles (unnamed files)

If all else fails, try a reboot, that will make sure all files are
closed. See if you still miss 20Gb

Mark

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In 10 years from today, do you see FreeBSD using the old X Window Systen or 
will a new way of handling the GUI appear.
This question arised after realizing how heavy and redundant the X Window 
system is. 
  Thanks for your attention
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On Sunday 20 January 2002 01:40 pm, rarmente@stevens-tech.edu wrote:
> In 10 years from today, do you see FreeBSD using the old X Window Systen or
> will a new way of handling the GUI appear.
> This question arised after realizing how heavy and redundant the X Window
> system is.
>   Thanks for your attention
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I don't know about 10 years from now (next century). But I do see a lot of 
room for improvement in how XF86 is configured. This seems to be a major 
stumbling block for newbies. 

Just my .02

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Have a look here

	http://www.freebsdmirrors.org/FBSDsites.php3?release=2.0.5-RELEASE

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:40:24PM -0500, rarmente@stevens-tech.edu wrote:
> In 10 years from today, do you see FreeBSD using the old X Window Systen or 
> will a new way of handling the GUI appear.
> This question arised after realizing how heavy and redundant the X Window 
                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> system is. 

Meaning ? How would you like to see the GUI "handled" ?

Having spent the whole evening fighting X again (I will get direct
rendering to work on my card if it kills me, I know it can do it...) 
it certainly could do with some work on it's configurational interface.
But I don't know if that is what you are talking about.

And yes I do see the X Window System surviving several incarnations to 
come.

But in 10 years we will all be using Plan9 anyway...

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> Also, edit /etc/aliases to divert root's email to your normal user
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Are there technical reasons to do it this way rather than say,
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I have sendmail running and listening.  But when I tried to send any mail to 
questions@freebsd.org, I get an error message in my /var/log/maillog saying 
that message could not be delivered here is part of the message:

...
stat=Deferred: 450 Client host rejected: cannot find your hostname, [IP 
address]

I have a cable modem with a dynamic IP, so I am useing www.dyndns.org to 
supply dynamic DNS.  Apache doesnt have a problem with it, and all the other 
address that I have sent mail to havent had a problem.  I dont have my 
hostname in my sendmail.cf file.  Any help is appreciated.  I am sending this 
e-mail off another e-maill address.  I recive mail just fine.

Thanks 

Bob

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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 03:48:26PM -0800, James Long wrote:
> > Also, edit /etc/aliases to divert root's email to your normal user
> > account.
> 
> Are there technical reasons to do it this way rather than say,
> using the ~root/.forward file?

None that I can think of... I prefer the aliases file method, because it
keeps that bit of configuration in /etc with everything else, rather than
in a separate file in another directory.  No reason not to do it the other
way if you prefer that, though.

	Scott

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What are the recommendations for  FreeBSD?

Looking to use 64-bit SCSI and 64-bit ATA RAID controllers.

thanks
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I managed to setup my printer (laserjet) using the samples in the
handbook, and it is working for both plain text and .ps files.

Whenever I execute 'lpstat' or 'lpstat -p', I get

	 lpstat: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused

How can I fix this?
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On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 00:21:45 +0000, Len Conrad wrote:
> What are the recommendations for  FreeBSD?
> 
> Looking to use 64-bit SCSI and 64-bit ATA RAID controllers.

I've had good luck with the Supermicro 370DE6 and P3TDE6 boards.  They have
4 64/33 PCI slots and 2 64/66 slots, as well as an onboard Adaptec 7899.

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Hi there,

I've noticed something that's bugging me when adding/removing partitions
to/from a slice with sysinstall. Everytime you perform this operation, any
swap space that's configured on the device you edit gets readded. Doing a
swapinfo lists the swap device twice. Could there be any repercussions from
this? And if so, is there any way around it (apart from rebooting)?


Thanks,
Aragon



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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 12:15:48AM -0500, Ray Kohler wrote:
> On Saturday 19 January 2002 11:44 pm, Dan Trainor wrote:

[snip]

> > or do I just
> > add those little startup scripts directly to /etc/rc.conf?
> 
> Never heard of doing that. Sounds like a big pain to keep up with.

Do _NOT_ put commands in /etc/rc.conf. Three good reasons:

  (1) There is no guarantee when in the rc(8) startup /etc/rc.conf is
      first called.

  (2) There is no guarantee that /etc/rc.conf will only be run once
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  (3) There is no guarantee that /etc/rc.conf will not run by the
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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 05:26:00PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote:
> I managed to setup my printer (laserjet) using the samples in the
> handbook, and it is working for both plain text and .ps files.
> 
> Whenever I execute 'lpstat' or 'lpstat -p', I get
> 
> 	 lpstat: Unable to connect to server: Connection refused
> 
> How can I fix this?

Not sure. What packages/ports are you using to print? lpstat is not
part of FreeBSD.
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On Sun, Jan 20, 2002 at 11:38:51PM +0100, Mark Huizer wrote:
>Hmm... ok, after some rewriting this is getting somewhere near readable.
>OK, now for some answering.
>Do you have file descriptors open to files you have deleted? Check with
>ps if you have vi's, tail's, less's open for old files, or files rotated
>long ago.
>Check with fstat if that happens.
>Files that are open when unlinked are not removed from the filesystem
>until the last handle is closed, even though they don't show up in df
>and du.
>
>Check for daemons that use huge tempfiles (unnamed files)
>
>If all else fails, try a reboot, that will make sure all files are
>closed. See if you still miss 20Gb

Sorry OOT, I've trouble in the same case, if I want to increase capacity of
partitions let's say I've for ex:

/	-> 	100M
/usr	->	1.8G
/var	->	600M
/home	->	500M

And I would like to changed without reinstall system:

/	->	100M
/usr	->	2.3G
/var	->	300M
/home	->	300M

I use FreeBSD 4.4 STABLE, I got this problem when I've plan to install altq.
it's possible for me to change partition of table?, in window I can using
partition magic for example.

TIA before

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If you are talking about the matrix_save.ko (which is a module to be
loaded as a console screen saver), you need to have a modular kernel and
use the kldload command.
you can set the time (to the screen saver to being active) with
vidcontrol -t time_in_seconds

man kldload
man vidcontrol

leegold (leegold@operamail.com) wrote:
> from the pakages i installed a screensaver
> called matrix. I don't have a man pg for it but it is
> installed. How do I activate it?
> 
> thanks
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Freebsd 4.4

This is the output to stdout from sendmail every 15 minutes.


Jan 20 17:48:48 hostname sendmail[405]: g0L1mlI00405: Losing 
./qfg0L1mlI00405: savemail panic
Jan 20 17:48:48 ajax sendmail[405]: g0L1mlI00405: Losing ./qfg0L1mlI00405: 
savemail panic
Jan 20 17:48:48 ajax sendmail[405]: g0L1mlI00405: SYSERR(root): savemail: 
cannot save rejected email anywhere
Jan 20 17:48:48 ajax sendmail[405]: g0L1mlI00405: SYSERR(root): savemail: 
cannot save rejected email anywhere
Jan 20 17:48:48 ajax sendmail[405]: g0L1mlI00405: SYSERR(root): savemail: 
cannot save rejected email anywhere


I've deleted all of the files in /var/spool/mqueue but the queue keeps 
building up again.  Does any one know what the problem is.  This seems to 
have begun after /var file system filled up.

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Hello alexus,

Sunday, January 20, 2002, 7:31:12 PM, you wrote:

a> Filesystem    Size   Used  Avail Capacity  Mounted on
a> /dev/da0s1a    32G    29G   1.2G    96%    /
a> procfs        4.0K   4.0K     0B   100%    /proc

a> 3.8M    bin
a> 545K    boot
a> 1.0K    cdrom
a>   0B    compat
a>  61K    dev
a> 1.0K    dist
a> 833K    etc
a>   0B    home
a> 1.0K    mnt
a> 4.6M    modules
a>  16K    root
a>  11M    sbin
a> 1.9M    stand
a>   0B    sys
a> 1.0K    tmp
a> 1.4G    usr
a> 108M    var

a> allworld#

a> how can it show that 29G is used if barly 2G is used in total, what am i
a> missing?

Can be some error on the file system. Check out man fsck. This could
be a good reason to create partions.
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At 12:59 01/20/2002 -0600, Nick Rogness wrote:

>On Sun, 20 Jan 2002, Allen Landsidel wrote:
>
> > [please reply off-list.. not subscribed.]
> >
> > Ok.. for several hours I've been banging my head against the
> > proverbial brick wall, trying to resolve an issue that's been a
> > nuisance for some time.
> >
> > To start from the begining.. my network looks like this :
> >
> > [LAN] <--> [firewall] <--> [router] <--> [internet]
> >
> > The lan side has a public /28 block.
>
>         Why does the lan have a public block?

I have a static IP block from my ISP.. I would also like to have a firewall 
other than the piece of junk in lucent dslpipe "router."

Thus, all the actual boxes get real IPs (for the most part) and I need a 
solution that allows me to put the firewall between the router and the lan.

> > The firewall has one address from that block on the interior
> > interface, and an address in the 10/8 block on the exterior. The
> > router has an address on the 10/8 block on the interior, the ISP
> > assigned address on the WAN interface, and a static route to the
> > firewall 10/8 for my IP block.
> >
> > The problem is simple : All outgoing traffic that *originates* on the
> > firewall attempts to use the 10/8 address.  I'm looking for some easy
> > way to force it to use it's internal address for traffic destined to
> > go out the exterior interface, but so far to no avail.
> >
>
>         The real problem here is that you are running publics on your
>         inside.  Why are you doing this and not using static nat for this?

Why should I use nat if I'm paying for an IP block?  The lan is not an 
intranet, it's a bunch of "real" servers out on the internet.


>         If you have a good reason, then maybe running nat on the router or
>         getting another /30 for your BSD<-->Router would help out.  You
>         could also trip out nat but it would be a mess.

The reason is simply that I'd rather not go through the hassle of assigning 
a bunch of private IPs to my boxes just because they're inside the 
firewall.  What would really be great is an unnumbered interface between 
the firewall and the router, but I don't think either FreeBSD or the cheapy 
lucent dsl router support this option.

Getting the /30 would do, but it seems to me there should be a way to 
handle this "as-is" that isn't a massive hack.


> > My brain can't seem to think of a way to do this via route, and natd +
> > my current stateful IPFW appears to be a no-go.. searching the lists
> > and usenet have turned up others with the same problems, but no real
> > solutions using these tools.  Apparently my only options are:
>
> >    1) ditch the stateful ipfw configuration in favor of a simple
> > 'established' rule (ick)
>
>         That might help while you are debugging.

If I do this, it will work.. period.  I had it this way in the past, but 
thought that I'd rather switch to stateful routing so forged packets 
couldn't blow past the firewall and to the machines within.


> >    2) (maybe?) switch to ipf/ipnat.
>
>         This will gain you nothing...probably make things worse.

I've heard that ipf/ipnat can do exactly what I need.. perhaps I am mistaken.


> >    3) Set up a proxy on one of the internal machines and have the firewall
> > go through that to get out (ick)
>
>         No.

Heh.. but it would work.. I think I didn't explain the problem too 
clearly.. I'll try and explain more clearly here.

The "lan" consists of every machine I have other than the firewall.  Web, 
dns, ftp, cvsup, etc etc servers, all of them in a rack and on a 
switch.  The internal interface for the firewall is also on this segment, 
and has the first IP address in the /28 block.

The external interface of the firewall is the only device plugged into the 
integrated (and slow) hub built into the router.  This serves many purposes 
but the most important two are :
   1) Every packet must pass through the firewall before any others see it, 
via sniffing or any other method.
   2) Any machine surreptitiously plugged into the routers hub will not be 
able to access the internet; I consider this important.

Everything works great *except* for internet access on the firewall 
itself.  Because the default route on the firewall is 10.0.0.1, it always 
attempts to use it's interface on that subnet for internet access.  The 
result, obviously, is that I cannot install ports, packages, or anything 
else directly from the firewall;  I have to download the packages/tarballs 
on another machine and transfer them to the firewall, and then do the install.

I'm only concerned with nating one address, the external firewall 
interface.  natd, however, has about zero capability for this when used on 
a stateful firewall.

I'm coming up with other ideas.. but this seems like it should be easy to 
do, even if it's not.


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info@netarmor.net said:
> I've deleted all of the files in /var/spool/mqueue but the queue keeps
>  building up again.  Does any one know what the problem is.  This
> seems to  have begun after /var file system filled up. 

I expect that you've only given half the story (which I'm not saying is
intentional).  Sendmail doesn't pull things out of thin air, so if the
queue keeps building up then either you have a LOT of e-mail going through,
or something is seriously broken.  In either case, it's all in syslog.

The messages you have included are both saying the same thing: /var is full.

Sendmail doesn't like /var filling up at all, since pretty much everything
it needs to do is on /var:

		/var/spool/mqueue	sendmail working/queue directory
		/var/log		logging (via syslog)
		/var/mail		user mail drops
		/var/tmp		usual "drop of last resort"
		/var/run		sendmail "pid" file

So what do you do?

	1. Stop sendmail.

	2. Clear up as much space as you can on /var.

	3. Run mailq to see what's actually there.

	4. Try running "sendmail -qI<id>" (refer to the man page)
	   a few times to try to get rid of a few messages at a
	   time.

	5. Look at the mail queue each time to check what happened.
	   If things are going back into the queue, you probably
	   have something else to fix.

	6. Once everything is cleaned up, start sendmail again.

You may then like to look at where all your disk space is allocated,
and maybe reconfigure sendmail to use different locations where there