From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 13 20:26:23 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FCE71065672 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:26:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca (idcmail-mo2no.shaw.ca [64.59.134.9]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D400C8FC12 for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:26:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from prad@towardsfreedom.com) Received: from pd5ml1no-ssvc.prod.shaw.ca ([10.0.153.166]) by pd6mo1no-svcs.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 13:26:22 -0700 X-Cloudmark-SP-Filtered: true X-Cloudmark-SP-Result: v=1.0 c=0 a=KoDPwd6_AAAA:8 a=Z6pasX9hNCFaDMVPo_EA:9 a=WKJnD_SGadjkk0clWl0A:7 a=Fm03kZM5pJbFPe5Ugupb8jC71Z4A:4 a=fgf5PR_cwQYA:10 a=7Dsci7dhZp0A:10 a=D02SvSX6Ox4A:10 a=hMM2GHGroxMA:10 Received: from s0106000d935c7902.du.shawcable.net (HELO gom.home) ([70.67.160.177]) by pd5ml1no-dmz.prod.shaw.ca with ESMTP; 13 Dec 2008 13:26:21 -0700 Received: from gom.home (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gom.home (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B5EE1701E for ; Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:26:21 -0800 From: prad To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20081213122621.001352ad@gom.home> In-Reply-To: <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> References: <200812112345.20572.perlcat@alltel.net> <20081212174607.GC36348@kokopelli.hydra> <4942B6A3.504@gmail.com> <18754.48923.616173.319215@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <20081212205614.GB37185@kokopelli.hydra> <31371229120906@webmail12.yandex.ru> <87iqppdlzh.fsf@kobe.laptop> <20081213002037.F5665@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213092104.GC39031@kokopelli.hydra> <20081213103054.B8893@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> <20081213194302.GA51063@kokopelli.hydra> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.3.1 (GTK+ 2.12.1; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Why FreeBSD not popular on hardware vendors X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 20:26:23 -0000 On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:43:02 -0700 Chad Perrin wrote: > I'll > provide a technical example, as opposed to a social example, so maybe > you'll be able to understand my point ... > good illustrative examples, chad! i think moderation has value if it is done reasonably. for instance, people who talk about foreign currency values on a freebsd list should be watched very closely. woj made a good point in another post i think in that he's happy helping beginners who really do wish to learn. i know i've come across some who think the world owes them everything and make ridiculous demands on a list (not to mention ot posts - and they aren't even trying to sell you anything!). however, in general i like giorgos' comment the best that he was helped a decade ago and he's returning that favor. so in that respect, i agree with your 'false positives' concern - innocent till proven guilty! anyone know if there are moderators for this list? i know there are some very nice people who keep watch. once i messaged the test list with a ports question (i was having trouble emailing this one - so i was testing to see if there was some problem in general), and a very considerate person from freebsd.org, Remko Lodder, emailed me asking if i knew that i was emailing the test list. i found it really decent that people look out for others here! -- In friendship, prad ... with you on your journey Towards Freedom http://www.towardsfreedom.com (website) Information, Inspiration, Imagination - truly a site for soaring I's