From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Mar 21 16:28:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B93457B2A2 for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3NNl3T1xz3MPq for ; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [10.150.26.86] (unknown [10.150.26.86]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C69E74E663; Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500 (CDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: OS to replace FreeBSD From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 11:28:38 -0500 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <60DE0A61-D83F-4BFB-9218-2FC39AF4F77E@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210320132339.00004d9a@seibercom.net> <38EDD406-3EC4-4F71-B990-DDD1E753D091@kreme.com> <20210321113403.00004056@seibercom.net> To: Ralf Mardorf X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4F3NNl3T1xz3MPq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2021 16:28:40 -0000 > On Mar 21, 2021, at 11:19 AM, Ralf Mardorf = wrote: >=20 Ralf, your wisdom may tell me why when posting on this thread (except = the one when I mentioned =E2=80=98boot_mute=3D=E2=80=9CYES=E2=80=9D =E2=80= =98 ) I felt like I am feeding troll(s). I bet I=E2=80=99m not the only = one tired of this thread ;-( But thanks for bringing some sanity to = insane exchange. Valeri > On Sun, 2021-03-21 at 11:47 -0400, Aryeh Friedman wrote: >> The reasons for "why should they" are: >> 1. There is an almost infinite number of combinations of hardware = that one >> can find out there and most of them are like the person you are = replying to >> edge cases that effect very few people (as witnessed by you can't = find >> anyone with a close enough system that is willing to actually do the = work >> to test any fixes on... >=20 > Let's call this the "big reason why" and assume no undertone, just = good > faith. >=20 >> so this leaves two options: a) you stop complaining >> and help actually fix the bug, b) you switch OS's.... either way stop >> publically whining about stuff you refuse to help with in an way and = if you >> switch OS's this is the wrong forum to do it in -- in short STFU) >=20 > Is this still a required explanation? >=20 >> 2. They *DO* list hardware that is *KNOWN* to be 100% compatible and >> working with the base system if you are not using one of the listed >> components then you are venturing into unknown territory and any = problems >> are on you to report and or help fix... if you decide to go this = route then >> you have no one except yourself to blame when you run into "some = assembly >> required" situations and likely you are one the few people that can = help >> fix it... yet you refuse to... >=20 > Hard to ignore the undertone here ;). White and black lists are > imperfect, so be careful! However "likely you are one" + "yet you = refuse > to" is an accusation. >=20 >> again STFU >=20 > Pff! >=20 > Somebody who is frustrated kicks partly over the traces and you guess > that it helps anybody in the universe to be spiteful? >=20 > It might not be an excuse, but at least it's a good explanation why = the > OP kicks over the traces, since the OP is frustrated that something > doesn't work. >=20 > There's neither an excuse, nor an explanation why you are doing the > same. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"