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Date:      Thu, 15 Mar 2001 22:49:39 -0500 (EST)
From:      Robert Watson <rwatson@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Bill Fumerola <billf@mu.org>
Cc:        "David O'Brien" <obrien@FreeBSD.org>, cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/usr.bin/make Makefile
Message-ID:  <Pine.NEB.3.96L.1010315221039.4906B-100000@fledge.watson.org>
In-Reply-To: <20010315175821.D362@elvis.mu.org>

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On Thu, 15 Mar 2001, Bill Fumerola wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 15, 2001 at 01:55:47PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
> 
> > Your mentor has does NOT give you the right to do this w/o an OK'ed by
> > the maintainer.  I think Will has been around here enough he doesn't
> > need to be considered a mentee any longer?  Or is this something you're
> > going to hold over his head forever.
> 
> Since you're going to drag this out into the open instead of privately
> mailing me: no, I don't consider Will to be outside my mentorship in the
> src/ tree.

For what it's worth, regardless of the merits the decision process
regarding removing the MAINTAINER bit for Will on src/usr.bin/make, the
prefered path would probably have been for you to ask Will to remove the
bit himself, and then in the unlikely event that the request failed to
have any effect, bring the issue up with core@.  It's almost always better
to ask someone to back something out, or request a change, than to do it
yourself preemptively.  Given that the MAINTAINER bit is somewhat poorly
defined, more caution rather than less is probably the right decision
until that problem is remedied :-).  I realize that Will' status as a src/
committer is not entirely clear, which creates further confusion, and is
something core@ probably needs to clarify some at some point anyway.

Just as a heads up for anyone interested, we've been discussing the
MAINTAINER issue on core@ for a bit now, and have some draft guideline
updates we'll be posting for discussion in the near future. 

Robert N M Watson             FreeBSD Core Team, TrustedBSD Project
robert@fledge.watson.org      NAI Labs, Safeport Network Services




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