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Date:      Fri, 22 Jul 2005 00:08:56 +0200
From:      Wilko Bulte <wb@freebie.xs4all.nl>
To:        John Baldwin <jhb@FreeBSD.ORG>
Cc:        src-committers@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG, cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG, Marcel Moolenaar <marcel@xcllnt.net>, "Liam J. Foy" <liamfoy@sepulcrum.org>, Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav <des@des.no>, Peter Grehan <grehan@FreeBSD.ORG>
Subject:   Re: cvs commit: src/tools/tools/tinderbox/etc current.rc head.rc update_current.rc update_head.rc
Message-ID:  <20050721220856.GA12836@freebie.xs4all.nl>
In-Reply-To: <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <200507201959.j6KJxkJl000803@repoman.freebsd.org> <86hdenx5mg.fsf@xps.des.no> <20050721203934.GC1097@anarion> <200507211726.14034.jhb@FreeBSD.org>

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On Thu, Jul 21, 2005 at 05:26:11PM -0400, John Baldwin wrote..
> On Thursday 21 July 2005 04:39 pm, Liam J. Foy wrote:
> > On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Dag-Erling Sm?rgrav wrote:
> > > "Liam J. Foy" <liamfoy@sepulcrum.org> writes:
> > > > On Thu(21)/Jul/05 - , Marcel Moolenaar wrote:
> > > > > Please add ia64 back for releng_6 and add powerpc and ia64 back
> > > > > for head. The least.
> > > >
> > > > I agree. I'd like to see them added back please.
> > >
> > > You don't have a vote.  Neither does Marcel.
> >
> > Who do you think you are DES? Seriously, am sure you think you're above
> > everyone else. You need to dumb the attitude.
> 
> It would be helpful to realize that DES does not have an infinite amount of 
> hardware and bandwidth, etc. at his disposal.  The tinderbox scripts are in 
> CVS, and you are free to setup any number of tinderboxes that you wish to 
> have on your _own_ hardware.  In other words, if we want to keep doing 
> powerpc and ia64 tinderboxes (which I think would certainly be desirable) we 
> need to find someone with some hardware to run it on.
> 
> <rant>
> In other words again: instead of mouthing off at DES like some two year old 
> when his mommy takes away the toy he was borrowing from someone else so she 
> can give it back to the original owner, go setup a machine and run the 
> powerpc and ia64 tinderbox on it yourself sending out the e-mails to the 
> appropriate lists, etc.  This is a community project, and when the load for a 
> specific task gets too high for one person/machine to handle, we ought to be 
> chipping into help share the load instead of beating up on the person who's 
> been doing it all by themselves up until now.  <grump>
> </rant>

<rant>
Public/commiter relations go a long way.  If there are not enough resources
available of some sort the obvious cause of action would be to ask for
resources.  Not to just axe things with a commit message that inevitably
leads to this kind of silly debate.

</rant>

-- 
Wilko Bulte				wilko@FreeBSD.org



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