Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 01:10:25 -0700 From: "Ted Mittelstaedt" <tedm@toybox.placo.com> To: "Greg Barniskis" <nalists@scls.lib.wi.us>, "cpghost" <cpghost@cordula.ws> Cc: fbsd@a1poweruser.com, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: RE: New FreeBSD Logo Message-ID: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNGEOPFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> In-Reply-To: <44622BDF.3090703@scls.lib.wi.us>
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>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Greg Barniskis >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:07 AM >To: cpghost >Cc: fbsd@a1poweruser.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org >Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo > > >These are indeed all perfectly valid questions. What I was trying to >express is that the askers really don't seem to be accepting (or >even seeing) the perfectly valid answers: > >* See the archives where this was beaten to death multiple times. >* The best place to pursue such matters is in those forums chartered >for PR and general chatter. >* Read announce@. > >To those taking affront at such answers, no one is saying "oh, fork >you!" in some intentionally rude or belittling way (at least, I'm >not), they're saying forking (process-wise) to the appropriate forum >is the logical thing to do. > I take affront to such answers because of the simple fact that it's obvious that your perfectly valid answer isn't a real answer. A real answer would be something that would get rid of this continual resurgence of this discussion. Based on responses I'd estimate about 60% of FBSD users didn't want the logo changed before the contest. Based on responses post-contest results, I think about 90% of users hate the new logo. Now, the folks that didn't want the logo changed, well you can assume most of them aren't going to like the new logo. But it's pretty clear that quite a large number of the "lets change the logo" proponents don't like what they got. Thus, the alleged "problem" of Beastie being used as the logo, wasn't solved. No amount of referring people to other lists is going to satify anyone - because it's still a problem. When FreeBSD changed to CAM and broke support for the Adaptec 1520 SCSI card, tons of people complained on this forum, and many other in-appropriate forums. This continued despite repeated statements from the developers in charge of such things that the Adaptec 1520 chipset is terrible, find another one, etc. etc. Finally someone wrote the driver and the complaints went away - because the real answer had happened. If core simply cannot tolerate Beastie as the logo, so they simply have to have something else, then the only real answer is to ditch the sex toy and draw another "new" logo to replace it. Hell, commercial companies do this all the time. That would be the logical response. But, core won't do it because egos are involved here, and to do this would be an open admission that they fucked up. Seems to be that the core developers have no problem admitting when they have fucked up some technical decision about how FreeBSD is structured internally. But, when it comes to something like a poor result of a silly contest, they are unable to grok that. Very very strange. Ted
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