Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 15:02:58 +0300 (EET DST) From: Stefan Parvu <sparvu@cc.hut.fi> To: Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au> Cc: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>, Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>, Kathy Quinlan <katinka@magestower.com>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, N6REJ <n6rej@tcsn.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG, freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: I'm leaving Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.10.10105131454300.24647-100000@alpha.hut.fi> In-Reply-To: <003101c0dba1$181a7aa0$0300a8c0@oracle>
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"default GUI install" is a subject to discuss. In my oppinion is not a
good idea because:
1. The core OS should be simple and simple to install. No GUI for that.
Make a comparations between Solaris, OpenBSD, Microsoft, Linux RedHat,
Suse. Time it and think again. As well look to the complexity of GUI
Install stuff.
2. The text mode is really cool. Is fast and it's simple. No extra effort.
3. No problems with video cards or VESA generic mode. Keep it simple. For
what do you need install GUI ??? Comfort ? Help for new users ???
At least these 3 points makes a good point to keep the sysinstall stuff.
If new users come and want to learn the stuff is simple: Grab a doc and
read it. Why we should have a "right click" formula as Microsoft or other
commercial UNIXes does ??? Sysinstall anyway is simple to use more than
any GUI ...
Take a look and analyze the SUSE installer, RedHAT, Solaris. Is far more
complex than sysinstall.
Just some ideas,
stefan
On Sun, 13 May 2001, Doug Young wrote:
> Date: Sun, 13 May 2001 21:37:29 +1000
> From: Doug Young <dougy@gargoyle.apana.org.au>
> To: Kris Kennaway <kris@obsecurity.org>,
Rahul Siddharthan <rsidd@physics.iisc.ernet.in>
> Cc: Kathy Quinlan <katinka@magestower.com>, Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>,
N6REJ <n6rej@tcsn.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG,
freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG
> Subject: Re: I'm leaving
>
> I've been thinking of doing something akin to the Pedantic FreeBSD
> style HOWTO
> on X ... some sort of really explict documentation with ALL the
> information needed to get a functional GUI, however I'd need to start
> from scratch as every FreeBSD system I've had anything to do with has
> been straight command line. From questions I've been seeing in the
> questions list, it appears that hardware support is the main issue
> that creates the bulk of the problems. Who would be the best to advise
> on some readily available & reasonably priced videocards / chipsets
> that ALWAYS work without problems ?? eg I've generally stuck with AGP
> versions of those 8Mb ATI Rage Pro things for both W2K & Solaris
> systems because I've never had a hint of trouble getting things to
> work / they give 16 bit 1024x768 easily they are affordable in OZ ....
> maybe they aren't the best for XFree but surely someone must know a
> couple of videocards that suit. (and please everyone don't say Matrox
> because the price in OZ is extortionate !!)
>
>
> > Would it be a good idea to have a "default GUI install" as one of
> the
> > install options, which sets up either KDE or GNOME, and a web
> browser,
> > and desktop icons for the HTML-ised version of the FreeBSD handbook?
>
> Jordan and others have tried many times to get people to submit good,
> newbie-friendly "default GUI environments", with close to zero
> community response. Yes, it would be a good idea, SOMEONE PLEASE DO
> THE WORK! :-)
>
>
>
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