From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Apr 29 13:20:36 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6042B3DBF for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:20:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49BzfC1rTSz4Bxf for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:20:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.113] (unknown [172.58.139.224]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0BE344E680 for ; Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:20:29 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Mailman's moderation checkbox?! - Why are so many FreeBSD haters on this list? (Troll bait) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <6222c6ca-4709-d800-2d3a-59913bd2cf2a@gmail.com> <20200425055723.00e6f974@archlinux> <20200425100348.3022f215@archlinux> <762afc18-324a-05ab-cf1b-68de2afea9ae@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200428112734.5028df19@bigus.dream-tech.com> <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 08:20:27 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20200429085247.72ebfa2a@archlinux> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49BzfC1rTSz4Bxf X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.55 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[224.139.58.172.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.10]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.83)[-0.832,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.09)[ip: (0.27), ipnet: 128.135.0.0/16(0.14), asn: 160(0.11), country: US(-0.05)]; SUBJECT_HAS_EXCLAIM(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.91)[-0.908,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_HAS_QUESTION(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 13:20:36 -0000 On 4/29/20 1:52 AM, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > Hi, > > I'm joining this list since 2012 and don't remember anybody who ever > was nearly as rude, let alone ruder than Aryeh Friedman. This person > should consider to reread his own posts to the list, perhaps starting > with his subject of this thread. "Why are so many FreeBSD haters on > this list? (Troll bait)" Insulting "many" subscribers of this mailing > list as "haters" is rude. His mails are full of similar insults about > "evil" people and things, apart from this he insists to continue > spreading FUD. > > Every now and then off-topic threads are nice to read, as long as they > aren't the reason for dispeace. The moderation bit could be used to > sort out emails with continued threads, that do not belong to this list > and that in addition do cause dispeace. It doesn't require to ban a > subscriber or subscribers from the list. A long discussion regarding > legal questions, done by laymen, might belong to > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat . OTOH tinfoil > hat theories including insults about bad intentions behind FLOSS > licenses, are probably unwelcome on any FLOSS related mailing list. > > The OP of the threads in question does add insults and preposterous > allegation to his opinions. At the moment nobody seems to be upset about > other opinions, it's just that the tone of voice let those opinions > become unreasonable. I can't speak for other, but I like one or the > other license better than the GPL. What I dispute are the conclusions > based upon infamous misrepresentations. > > https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-questions/2020-April/author.html#start Ralf, my observations are as yours. I do know your name and names of several other people that person offending as I routinely read yours their insightful posts on the list. I do not know the name of this person, - did not until I read first of his recent rude posts. Alas, FreeBSD lists have this unbelievable tolerance to abusers since forever, and they will not change - I learned that long ago. The only thing that comes to my mind in this our case are the words of greatest writer Mark Twain (Samuel Clemence): “Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.” Valeri > > Regards, > Ralf > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++