Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:38:39 -0800 From: Beech Rintoul <beech@alaskaparadise.com> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo Message-ID: <200605110038.41282.beech@alaskaparadise.com> In-Reply-To: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNGEOPFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com> References: <LOBBIFDAGNMAMLGJJCKNGEOPFDAA.tedm@toybox.placo.com>
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--nextPart10083874.UnVQ7k5uk8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Thursday 11 May 2006 00:10, you wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]On Behalf Of Greg Barniskis > >Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 11:07 AM > >To: cpghost > >Cc: fbsd@a1poweruser.com; freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > >Subject: Re: New FreeBSD Logo > > > > > >These are indeed all perfectly valid questions. What I was trying to > >express is that the askers really don't seem to be accepting (or > >even seeing) the perfectly valid answers: > > > >* See the archives where this was beaten to death multiple times. > >* The best place to pursue such matters is in those forums chartered > >for PR and general chatter. > >* Read announce@. > > > >To those taking affront at such answers, no one is saying "oh, fork > >you!" in some intentionally rude or belittling way (at least, I'm > >not), they're saying forking (process-wise) to the appropriate forum > >is the logical thing to do. > > I take affront to such answers because of the simple fact that it's > obvious that your perfectly valid answer isn't a real answer. A real > answer would be something that would get rid of this continual > resurgence of this discussion. > > Based on responses I'd estimate about 60% of FBSD users didn't want > the logo changed before the contest. > > Based on responses post-contest results, I think about 90% of users hate > the new logo. Now, the folks that didn't want the logo changed, well you > can assume most > of them aren't going to like the new logo. But it's pretty clear that > quite a large number of the "lets change the logo" proponents don't > like what they got. > > Thus, the alleged "problem" of Beastie being used as the logo, wasn't > solved. No amount of referring people to other lists is going to > satify anyone - because it's still a problem. > > When FreeBSD changed to CAM and broke support for the Adaptec 1520 > SCSI card, tons of people complained on this forum, and many other > in-appropriate forums. This continued despite repeated statements from > the developers in charge of such things that the Adaptec 1520 chipset > is terrible, find another one, etc. etc. Finally someone wrote the > driver and the complaints went away - because the real answer had > happened. > > If core simply cannot tolerate Beastie as the logo, so they simply > have to have something else, then the only real answer is to ditch the > sex toy and draw another "new" logo to replace it. Hell, commercial > companies do this all the time. > > That would be the logical response. But, core won't do it because > egos are involved here, and to do this would be an open admission > that they fucked up. > > Seems to be that the core developers have no problem admitting when > they have fucked up some technical decision about how FreeBSD is > structured internally. But, when it comes to something like a poor > result of a silly contest, they are unable to grok that. Very very > strange. > > Ted You were right about the printing. I had to get something from the printer= =20 this afternoon, so I printed out a copy of the new logo and took it with me. I ask them how much for 1K CD case inserts. They said it would have to be d= one=20 4 color and they would be .30 - .40 ea with setup. And that's not even=20 including the CD labels themselves. I've had full color brochures printed f= or=20 not much more than that. I didn't even bother asking about server stickers. Beech =2D-=20 =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D------------- Beech Rintoul - Sys. Administrator - beech@alaskaparadise.com /"\ ASCII Ribbon Campaign | Alaska Paradise \ / - NO HTML/RTF in e-mail | 201 East 9Th Avenue Ste.310 X - NO Word docs in e-mail | Anchorage, AK 99501 / \ - Please visit Alaska Paradise - http://www.alaskaparadise.com =2D------------------------------------------------------------------------= =2D------------- --nextPart10083874.UnVQ7k5uk8 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQBEYvgRp5D0B1NlT4URAtD3AJ46U2Bmq1NuYj9fY+BgxAByCxGq1QCeOLfM 6J8F5vHnWR0qaZsymC+6mrg= =LWEZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart10083874.UnVQ7k5uk8--
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