From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Sep 7 09:08:19 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C25216A4BF for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com (ms-smtp-02.rdc-kc.rr.com [24.94.166.122]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BC943FCB for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from dwilson32@kc.rr.com) Received: from webkl7bcj7ou3q (CPE-65-28-67-59.kc.rr.com [65.28.67.59]) h87G8DsQ022985 for ; Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:08:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002001c3755a$3b7537b0$3b431c41@webkl7bcj7ou3q> From: "Derik Wilson" To: References: <3F5B4AA9.1000003@lpthe.jussieu.fr> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2003 11:08:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Subject: Re: The Old Way Was Better X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2003 16:08:19 -0000 Just to interject with my newb wisdom so you get a perspective of someone who is brand new to freeBSD. I bought freeBSD off the shelf so that I could get the BIG flashy book that did absolutely no good. I installed it, version 4.7 I think. I started it up. oops! xwindows isn't working. I tried several video configs (geForce 4 wasn't on the list). I finally got it to work with geforce 3 drivers but the sound did not work at all and took me 3 days to realize that it wasn't going to work. Finally I got SMART and downloaded 5.1. Burned my CD and then rebooted. From the time I rebooted to the time I was listening to my music CD's while learning about crystal space in high res on the net, I think it was a total elapsed time of 45 minutes (only because I had to get all of the CVS updates). In short, to hell with 4.x LONG LIVE 5.x !!!!! =) Take care fellas and keep us newbs alive! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michel Talon" To: Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2003 10:11 AM Subject: Re: The Old Way Was Better > > For what it's worth, I and a large number of other people I know would > > agree. The 5.x releases so far have been VERY badly received with the > > people I've spoken to and it's not done FBSD any favours. I seem to > > remember something similar happening when we were all running 3.x > > >boxes and 4.x started getting releases, but nothing quite like this. > > > Anyways i am one for whom FreeBSD 5.1 works quite well, and i cannot say > the same of the latest 4.* series. On my laptop which runs 4.8 things > have degraded with respect to what it was around 4.4. After suspend > sound doesn't work any more, pcmcia cards are not properly reset, > and i am now seeing ATA DMA errors and downgrading to PIO, a thing > that never occurred up to 4.7 > > Why am i ranting about that? i think that the FreeBSD developers work > full time on the 5.* series, and that it has diverged so much from > the 4.* series that they commit errors when backporting stuff from > Current. You have only to look at the recent PAE merging fiasco to > attest of that. The 5.* series began several years ago, and we cannot > reasonably ask that the developers remember what is in the 4.* code. > The net result is that both the 4.* and the 5.* series are presently > more unstable than stable. In my opinion, the 4.* series should not > have been maintained so long (except for security fixes), it stresses > too much the available developer workforce. Choices have been made > for the 5.* series, good or bad, this is not the point, it is urgent > to concentrate on that, and only that. Otherwise you can be assured > that Linux will draw circles around what will remain of FreeBSD. > Matt Dillon disagreeed with these choices and is developing his own > version starting from FreeBSD-4. The future will show what were the > good choices, but at present, concentrating on 4.* is suicide. > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-chat@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-chat > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-chat-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >