From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Dec 19 18:45:18 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE942887 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-yh0-x235.google.com (mail-yh0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c01::235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B0231CAA for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:45:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-yh0-f53.google.com with SMTP id b20so406142yha.12 for ; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:45:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:from:to:in-reply-to:references:disposition-notification-to :content-type:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=fq6Xx9eV0LZuSMJ06BlCA36eomKp1Ey5IEwJDFtZudw=; b=AfL5mfWFHZ0UHKnDCuol0dnJ8UoPdXBHQ+zhDO58+EkmThRSrbSmswRl2aD3shVmRA 55EEoS8gXmoQTP2p44qEeWp86ZwS3pzSzHaTIq+jNc+SDbCP8OzaWpVD7lx9vMBdBjAB zfijLnfNSCwQ8oc3Yz58P8xg4rQvurKDQGxdGXGipguZ/K4XgfIUnlG51fToj27AYydU MNMmjgZcJcJobWiH6vd5/gikK0wB38xcnHs+QTCswtL6yPTTujLc48WVQFYzNFH87mbn dAz2/uN4LQpEJCVzLPRHncgeHRsM5gAqOL3tHwxZTkzdkLyoZe0eMW8gOFCZaP3MblV5 IlWg== X-Received: by 10.236.82.198 with SMTP id o46mr2592160yhe.53.1387478717596; Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:45:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.99.21] ([179.184.51.72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id r98sm7392485yhp.3.2013.12.19.10.45.15 for (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:45:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: has anyone read this blog From: Sergio de Almeida Lenzi To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 16:45:14 -0200 Message-ID: <1387478714.22358.64.camel@lenovo.toontown> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.32.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.17 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 18:45:18 -0000 I read, yes... That moron, probably have problem with BSD that he was unable to use... Note: when I say YOU, it does not mean "YOU the reader" it means "every person" OK??? I use FreeBSD because I like, an not because it is dead or alive, or if it belongs to apple, or to the pope, or if will be lunched to mars... I think that freebsd licence is made in mind that anyone can use for good or for bad, is up to you to use it, If you want to use the sofware from FreeBSD.org or from Netbsd.org, it is up to you to build, use, sell, support.... If you do not agree, go to use something you like, If freebsd does not have systemd, it is a matter of need, when, or if, is needed, someone will code it. Apple have FreeBSD 5.x in his MAC OS, and have something like systemd Systemd appears in Solaris, (using another name, SAC if I remember), and is still used in OpenIndiana... I use Openindiana too... it is very powerfull OS, that if treated with "love" can do wonderfull things too, a Supermicro with 2TB of memory and 48 cores running openindiana, can run hundreds of virtualboxes running every os you imagine... About the "new" applications that is based on systemd, what are they??? I write commercial applications in FreeBSD, and use Netbsd in old notebooks, Yes! there exists "old notebooks" with 512Mb of memory and ONE core, not everyone have money to buy ultrabooks for US$2000. those machines costs U$100 (20 for the price of one...) running NetBSD they are fast reliable, and I do not have the "kernel of the day". When you are a "geek", you can compile and install the linux "kernel of the day", in your computer, but when you have 2000 computers running, you cannot install the "kernel of the month".. FreeBSD kernels change every 6 months, NetBSD change once a year... and has been around for the last 20 years. The claim that BSD are insecure, is pure "bull ****", if you install a software from unknown source, and it is made using BSD kernel and companion utilities, and there is a spyware inside, it is not BSD fault, it is your fault! The same thing happens with Linux, if you install a binary linux from Steam, for example, you trust that Steam does not put a spyware inside it, it it does, it is not Linux fault either.... 99% of computer users, use the computer for enter in internet, facebook, whasup, tweeter, browse some news, gossips, multimedia (movies, torrents,youtube...) and porn. Less than 1% make a document every week. I have rolled a FreeBSD distribution with more than 1400 packages, all integrated and updated every week, with pkgng... I have a happy community of users, common persons that does not know about FreeBSD, Netbsd or Arch Linux, all they want is to open the notebook and use it... and BSD does it very well.. better than linux indeed because after a week or so running, the linux kernel "leaks" memory and the filesystem starts to become slow, only a power off, would fix it... FreeBSD have ZFS in kernel, because of the BSD licence, it is fast reliable, full of features, and never "crashes", ZFS is the definitive filesystem, and Linux is still in the EXT4??? Ok there is a ZFS for linux, but not produced by a linux distribution... and is still "unstable"... would you install a linux with ZFS in a server that "servers" 500 users and holds the data for the whole company ??? If you are using FreeBSD, you do!, I do!! I have installed hundreds... never breaks... the mtbf is about 15 years!! I am not talking about "premium hardware" (dell, hp...) I am talking about machines you buy the peaces and mount it yourself (or at least the nearest computer shop...). I use pkgng since version 0.x, and it is a good piece of software, it have ideas from pacman, pkg_xxx, apt_get.... so what is the problem??? if it is any issue with debian, why they (debian) does not sue BSD or Baptiste Daroussin?? That guy in the internet you saw, for sure have a big problem with BSD, probably hes the one that only knows how to put the CD or the Pen drive in the machine, and hit "install"... a tipical windows user... that now look around and discover that exists something other than M$, bought a linux book at the bookstore, and thinks that is the 8th wonder of the universe... Linux is good, but BSD is better is more stable, reliable, changes less, is ideal for servers... I prefer reliable, stable and secure over "speed"... I used to use Arch linux, but it changes so fequently that is unusable in an corporate environment, when Arch linux changed to systemd and remove the /sbin /bin directory, it broke all the posix standard that have been around for 20 years... I like the freedom of Arch, its way of doing things, you choose to use it or not... When Arch killed the gnome2, from a day to another without letting the user a chance to choose from the old to new, was a chaos.. Imagine you having about 200 notebooks sometimes 1000 km apart, and the next day your desktop environment is gone... Lucky me that does not rely on the Arch repo, I rolled my own... from time to time I copy some of the Arch distribution packages to my own repo. Kind of thing that never happens in BSD, whey they decided to discontinue kde3, it was warned everybody with months in advance, so you can prepare and decide you move or not... Hope I answer some doubts from the newcomers, That is all folks, Thank you for your patience, Sergio