Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:24:54 -0500 From: Greg Lehey <grog@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> To: David Schwartz <davids@webmaster.com>, Erick White <erickw@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us> Cc: freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Judge: "Gates Was Main Culprit" Message-ID: <19991116142454.45516@mojave.sitaranetworks.com> In-Reply-To: <000001bf3015$85686100$021d85d1@youwant.to>; from David Schwartz on Tue, Nov 16, 1999 at 01:32:37AM -0800 References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.991116035235.27204A-100000@taurus.oursc.k12.ar.us> <000001bf3015$85686100$021d85d1@youwant.to>
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On Tuesday, 16 November 1999 at 1:32:37 -0800, David Schwartz wrote: > >> Let me explain this to you yet again. I am not saying people are >> stupid. Once again I say people are Miss-Informed. The do not know all the >> facts. People in general that is. I dont know how much plainer I can be on >> these issues, or how any one else can be. Me, no I am not going to save >> the world from their stupidity, I dont think anyone can do that. The world >> of mankind is after all in the process of killing itself despite >> information of what it is doing. > > If people are misinformed who is misinforming them? Are you saying that > everyone just believes whatever Bill Gates has to say? No. At one point I'd say it was 90%, but the proportion is diminishing. > I hate to break this to you, but people use IE because it's > better than Netscape. Really. That's why I use it. It looks > better. It works faster. Really. And pigs have wings. People use IE because it's easier: it's already there. It crashes frequently, it's incompatible, and it's pirated software. > People use Windows because it does the job better. Better than what? > I am very familiar with both Linux and FreeBSD, yet I choose to use > NT on my desktop. I'm sorry, it works better. Misinformation has > nothing to do with it -- I've used all three operating systems. I'm > more productive on NT. That's a fact. I suppose there's a small minority who are. You've already demonstrated that you're not exactly the typical computer user. > But the fact is, nothing can touch 98, AGP, DirectX 7, and a > good graphics card for a personal computer. And nothing can touch NT > for a productivity desktop workstation (though Linux and FreeBSD are > almost there, IMO). I suppose that depends on your definition of the word "touch". I'm not really interested in hearing it. > All the 'information' in the world won't change the plain, > obvious fact that people buy Windows because they prefer > Windows. And they prefer Windows because it lets them do the things > they want to do. That's not the majority opinion. It disagrees with the Statements of Fact. >> I am not saying that FreeBSD is the answer, or Linux , I am saying >> that Microsoft is wrong. > > Regardless of how wrong they may or may not be, the fact will > not change that Microsoft enjoys market success for Windows 98 > because it is the best product available for its market niche. There's one way to prove that: add competition and see what happens. What do you think will happen? >> We are not saying we are smarter than the rest of you. What others >> here, and I myself, are trying to do is get you to open your eyes >> to what they have truly been doing. Those here are not saying were >> smarter, we are as a whole saying that we see the truth what is >> going on which anyone can see, not that their stupid, just that >> they dont have all the facts. > > I don't need another explanation for why Windows is successful. It's > completely obvious -- it's successful because it's the best product out > there. So how do you explain the Statements of Fact? >> You however, sir, seem to be ignoring the facts presented before >> you and still fight against the truths. I admit that I dont always choose >> the right words in order to bring my point across. I might not always be >> the most tactful person, but I do know what is there, and when someone is >> being misled. > > What truth? What are you talking about? How am I being mislead? How has > Bill Gates convinced me that my NT desktop is more useful than a Linux > desktop when I have used both extensively? I have an Irix desktop not 6 feet > from me that I could be using, but I don't. What other facts do I need? > > The fact is, most people who use Windows use it because it's the best > product available to do the job they need to do. This isn't a fact, it's an unsubstantiated claim. > I need no other explanation for its success because this reason is > sufficient. Some people are more gullible than others. > If you showed me some better product that wasn't as successful, then > we could go look for the explanation. Given your frame of mind, I think that would be a waste of time. Did your mailer mangle the following section? If so, please fix it and don't do it again. >>>> Research? The field test their products not even fully finish the >>>> job to begin with in the programming department. Their not spending >> their >>> money by and large on research, their using it to cannibalize other >>>> threats to their products, and then crush them into powder as the >> company >>>> throws its money behind it. Their letting other companies do the >> research >>>> for them, then they try to crush them once they see what they need for >> a >>>> bare minimum to drive out the competition with a cat o nine tails. What >>>> they have been doing, and doing for YEARS is letting the competition >> test >>>> the waters, once it realizes that it is a threat it comes up with a >>>> "solution" for what it did not think up did not create, and then >> continues >>>> on its merry way.. Nuh Uh.. not good.... Reread your facts. >> >>> Yes, that's extremely efficient. That way they (and their >> customers) get >>> the benefit of the innovations without having to pay for them. That's >> great. >>> That's extreme market efficiency. It's illegible junk like this--usually associated with Microsoft--that makes me not care any more. There are lots of stupid and uninformed people in the world, but none are worse than those who reject information. Greg -- Finger grog@lemis.com for PGP public key See complete headers for address and phone numbers To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message
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