Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 20:25:30 +0900 From: Kazutaka YOKOTA <yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> To: "Michael C . Wu" <keichii@peorth.iteration.net> Cc: Tatsumi Hosokawa <hosokawa@FreeBSD.org>, current@FreeBSD.org, yokota@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp Subject: Re: Progress report: Multilingual sysinstall for -current Message-ID: <200012061125.UAA27235@zodiac.mech.utsunomiya-u.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 06 Dec 2000 03:46:25 CST." <20001206034625.A40075@peorth.iteration.net> References: <86g0k2q7gz.wl@ringo.FromTo.Cc> <20001206034625.A40075@peorth.iteration.net>
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>As we wait for libh development, I do not think we should exert >efforts to try for another solution. This tends to allow for >slack in further development of better products. >A good example would be a proposal by Alfred Pernstein to slightly >modify RELENG_4 SMP for the duration of SMPNG development. The proposal >was not well accepted due to the reason I stated above. > >We really should concentrate on libh as a complete and _clean_ solution. Sure, libh is a better solution. But, don't you think it's still good to have something working until it will become available. >In addition, the purpose of putting localized sysinstall in -CURRENT >is rather dubious. -CURRENT/HEAD is a developers' branch, people >who use this branch should be able to read English and the system >error messages. If they cannot install the system with English >sysinstall, I would have doubts on their programming and testing ability. > >People who run -CURRENT should be able to read and write English to >understand the code comments, report bugs, and post to the lists in English. I think you are missing the point here. As you point out, the -current is for developers; it's for development and for testing. I don't think Tatsumi wants -current users to use I18N sysinstall to install -current, but, rather wants them to have a look at the code and test it. >I would have no objections to L10N'ized sysinstall being maintained in >the same way that PAO is maintained. The boot floppies and iso images >can be put up somewhere for download, and maintained in RELENG_4. Why should it be in RELENG_4? If it's maintained in -current and regularly MFCed to RELENG_4, it is exposed to wide audience of -current developers and -stable users. That will attract more comments and bug reports, and will also minimize the delay between regular releases of FreeBSD and I18N/L10N sysinstall for them; the delay normally associated with L10N sysinstall (and PAO) after regular FreeBSD releases. >Normally, I would welcome any I18N/L10N efforts in FreeBSD. >However, the FreeBSD Project's official position paraphrased is >"If you don't know what to do with -CURRENT, don't install it." See my comments above. >Combined with the point that we should not divert efforts from libh, >I hold the opinion that we should not import this. I don't think importing multilingual sysinstall will detract effort from libh. You see, even if it is maintained separately from the -current, it has its own maintainers and developers. I expect they are the same people who will maintain and develop I18N sysinstall when it is imported to the -current. They may or may not be libh developers at the same time. But, I don't think I18N sysinstall is suddenly needing a large army of developers and will steal them from the libh developer base. >Finally, still many thanks and applause to Tatsumi and others >for this work. The same from me to them too. Kazu >| FYI: for 4.2-RELEASE, >| http://people.freebsd.org/~hosokawa/boot-ja/4.2-RELEASE/release-20001205-1/ >| contains source, and binaries for all supported languages. > > >-- >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| keichii@peorth.iteration.net | keichii@bsdconspiracy.net | >| http://peorth.iteration.net/~keichii | Yes, BSD is a conspiracy. | >+------------------------------------------------------------------+ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message
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