From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 10 15:56:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47A2114D0C2E for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:56:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1177185493 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:56:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x1AFu1D2019958 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:56:02 GMT Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x1AFu1JO027552 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:56:01 GMT Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 15:56:01 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201902101556.x1AFu1JO027552@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: any way asm people could contribute? 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 10 20:08:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3408A14D9CA8 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 20:08:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch (mail1.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "SwissSign Server Silver CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4D4A8EED0 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 20:08:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 20:08:21 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? 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Look at the kernel source code: files with the extension .S are in assembly. You could work on those files and try to improve them. You could also search into bugzilla ( https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ ) if you find some bug to fix. Assembly is most often used for drivers: you could search for missing drivers and try to implement them. Maybe this pages about laptops could help you find some missing or buggy drivers: https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops . If anyone can give more precise information about how to contribute in assembly language, I would find it interesting too. Lorenzo Salvadore. 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In-Reply-To: Organization: Taughannock Networks X-Headerized: yes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 21:35:06 -0000 In article you write: >If anyone can give more precise information about how to >contribute in assembly language, I would find it interesting too. I think there are a few libraries that have optional assembly language versions of speed critical parts. But in general I agree with you that drivers are the place to look. Keep in mind that every different architecture has its own assembly language, so if you've fixed a driver in i386 assembler, there's probably another version in amd64 assembler and possibly in the various powerpc and arm assemblers. 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Butler" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20190210224610.bjx6a5jchi7rb6tg@blueeyes.stuffed.animals> References: <20190210213504.0B9E5200E1BA25@ary.qy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190210213504.0B9E5200E1BA25@ary.qy> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.111.205 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: bjb@sourcerer.ca X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on froggie.stuffed.animals X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Tue, 02 Aug 2016 21:08:31 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on froggie.stuffed.animals) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 135D9700F4 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.98 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:46:19 -0000 On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:35:03PM -0500, John Levine wrote: > In article you write: > >If anyone can give more precise information about how to > >contribute in assembly language, I would find it interesting too. > > I think there are a few libraries that have optional assembly language > versions of speed critical parts. But in general I agree with you > that drivers are the place to look. > > Keep in mind that every different architecture has its own assembly > language, so if you've fixed a driver in i386 assembler, there's > probably another version in amd64 assembler and possibly in the > various powerpc and arm assemblers. There are assembly bits in valgrind, you could also look in libc and equivalents, also the other tools like strace, ld, etc. Compilers might have some parts in assembly (gcc, clang, etc). I don't know of any project that is largely in assembly - the only ones I know of are mainly C with some small bits in assembly. So could be a steep learning curve learning the intricacies of the thing in which the assembly is embedded (so to speak). Maybe also look for embedded type projects, or non-usual architectures. Maybe also libm, data science, graphics libraries - places where there are cpu-intensive operations that need optimization. What about the projects that run on graphics processors (boinc project or other distributed/crowd computing for example). Bitcoin mining (might run on dedicated ASICs). I would be interested to hear if you find something interesting to work on. bjb From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 10 23:05:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F0B14E0726 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 23:05:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail-40132.protonmail.ch (mail-40132.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.132]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "SwissSign Server Silver CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED88470A40 for ; Sun, 10 Feb 2019 23:05:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 23:05:35 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? Message-ID: <05n3-fHzR44Ry6I77tO5onCnzamRXA43bT1kU2YMx6dZI8DZw9DSnlvqrx0rCRON_JwaU4Utn8XlxuG5PjpaDcugLoWPu8tl6Z40xpSAa_M=@protonmail.ch> In-Reply-To: <20190210224610.bjx6a5jchi7rb6tg@blueeyes.stuffed.animals> References: <20190210213504.0B9E5200E1BA25@ary.qy> <20190210224610.bjx6a5jchi7rb6tg@blueeyes.stuffed.animals> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ED88470A40 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.77 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[phascolarctos@protonmail.ch]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailsec.protonmail.ch]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protonmail.ch:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protonmail.ch,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.90)[-0.901,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[132.40.70.185.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19905, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[protonmail.ch.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protonmail.ch:s=default]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-3.76)[ip: (-9.87), ipnet: 185.70.40.0/24(-4.91), asn: 19905(-3.92), country: US(-0.07)]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2019 23:05:52 -0000 > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:35:03PM -0500, John Levine wrote: > > > In article U-T5V9GBTMH0X4T_hYmtSc4B19QRNPzkirSo_g45l-czdcQaEvhYekzafkZc= QOM_Nb9IQ6Qx3EXEQ-aeRrDJkPrqMnQky88TZZlDfr9iTGA=3D@protonmail.ch you write: > > > > > If anyone can give more precise information about how to > > > contribute in assembly language, I would find it interesting too. > > > > I think there are a few libraries that have optional assembly language > > versions of speed critical parts. But in general I agree with you > > that drivers are the place to look. > > Keep in mind that every different architecture has its own assembly > > language, so if you've fixed a driver in i386 assembler, there's > > probably another version in amd64 assembler and possibly in the > > various powerpc and arm assemblers. > > There are assembly bits in valgrind, you could also look in > libc and equivalents, also the other tools like strace, ld, etc. > > Compilers might have some parts in assembly (gcc, clang, etc). > > I don't know of any project that is largely in assembly - the only > ones I know of are mainly C with some small bits in assembly. > So could be a steep learning curve learning the intricacies of > the thing in which the assembly is embedded (so to speak). > > Maybe also look for embedded type projects, or non-usual > architectures. Maybe also libm, data science, graphics libraries - > places where there are cpu-intensive operations that need > optimization. What about the projects that run on graphics > processors (boinc project or other distributed/crowd computing > for example). Bitcoin mining (might run on dedicated ASICs). > > I would be interested to hear if you find something interesting > to work on. I was thinking to FreeBSD sources because the original message was about contributing to the FreeBSD project, but indeed there are many ports that needs assembly for high cpu usage as suggeted. The reason for that is that compilers do not really use larger cpu registers (mmxs, xmms, ymms) yet, thus any software that can take advantage from vector operations must write critical parts of their code in assembly. I think one of the most famous examples is multimedia/ffmpeg. Another example is math/openblas (and most probably any other blas implementation). Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 11 05:25:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7F9514E925A for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:25:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EFC3843A2 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:25:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x1B5P3ri005640 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:25:04 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sdf.org; s=default; t=1549862712; bh=1aAAvmuh5yyvDr/Ee6TBulzmeqLgVZEFqld/iZy6QNY=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Rol3rGtFSzCYYEQ5bUJMdnWoVFHsidc1ajyWOBRqsMRP2DNJa9/hjwds/xVltpGpA ax7dSVtf3FPz8Lc5bv86vxXucrn9PEt1gGLdbNgZnrOec9HuJUDZWkX4hQ1QOENToG fm2es0mTomEBbdApZra22W8+yGZOY2hDC/TREPG4= Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x1B5P3gB018453; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:25:03 GMT Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:25:03 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201902110525.x1B5P3gB018453@sdf.org> To: bjb@sourcerer.ca, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? In-Reply-To: <20190210224610.bjx6a5jchi7rb6tg@blueeyes.stuffed.animals> References: , <20190210213504.0B9E5200E1BA25@ary.qy>, <20190210224610.bjx6a5jchi7rb6tg@blueeyes.stuffed.animals> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8EFC3843A2 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=fail (rsa verify failed) header.d=sdf.org header.s=default header.b=Rol3rGtF X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.11 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.921,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_REJECT(1.00)[sdf.org:s=default]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.81)[-0.805,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.sdf.org]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sdf.org:-]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.20)[-0.202,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[ip: (-0.53), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.27), asn: 14361(0.50), country: US(-0.07)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 05:25:16 -0000 > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 10 22:46:50 2019 > From: "Brenda J. Butler" > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:35:03PM -0500, John Levine wrote: > > In article you write: > > >If anyone can give more precise information about how to > > >contribute in assembly language, I would find it interesting too. > > > > I think there are a few libraries that have optional assembly language > > versions of speed critical parts. But in general I agree with you > > that drivers are the place to look. > > > > Keep in mind that every different architecture has its own assembly > > language, so if you've fixed a driver in i386 assembler, there's > > probably another version in amd64 assembler and possibly in the > > various powerpc and arm assemblers. > > There are assembly bits in valgrind, you could also look in > libc and equivalents, also the other tools like strace, ld, etc. > > Compilers might have some parts in assembly (gcc, clang, etc). > > I don't know of any project that is largely in assembly - the only > ones I know of are mainly C with some small bits in assembly. > So could be a steep learning curve learning the intricacies of > the thing in which the assembly is embedded (so to speak). > > Maybe also look for embedded type projects, or non-usual > architectures. Maybe also libm, data science, graphics libraries - > places where there are cpu-intensive operations that need > optimization. What about the projects that run on graphics > processors (boinc project or other distributed/crowd computing > for example). Bitcoin mining (might run on dedicated ASICs). > > I would be interested to hear if you find something interesting > to work on. > > bjb > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > i am currently learning x86 assembly and will be going further on to x86_64 assembly soon. i think i will focus on the x86_64 platform only and work at improving support for more modern x86_64 extensions like avx, avx2, avx-512, simd and others as they come along. for the same, i have looked into a the method employed by the solaris linker loader due to which a single binary can have multiple capabilities as per the capabilities offered by the processor. this i believe is a much better approach than having compile time binary generation which leads to multiple binaries floating around. i think, as i get better as assembly, i'll look into improving the freebsd linker loader and then later work on a newer assembler for x86_64. 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Butler" > > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? > > > > On Sun, Feb 10, 2019 at 04:35:03PM -0500, John Levine wrote: > > > In article you write: > > > >If anyone can give more precise information about how to > > > >contribute in assembly language, I would find it interesting too. > > > > > > I think there are a few libraries that have optional assembly language > > > versions of speed critical parts. But in general I agree with you > > > that drivers are the place to look. > > > > > > Keep in mind that every different architecture has its own assembly > > > language, so if you've fixed a driver in i386 assembler, there's > > > probably another version in amd64 assembler and possibly in the > > > various powerpc and arm assemblers. > > > > There are assembly bits in valgrind, you could also look in > > libc and equivalents, also the other tools like strace, ld, etc. > > > > Compilers might have some parts in assembly (gcc, clang, etc). > > > > I don't know of any project that is largely in assembly - the only > > ones I know of are mainly C with some small bits in assembly. > > So could be a steep learning curve learning the intricacies of > > the thing in which the assembly is embedded (so to speak). > > > > Maybe also look for embedded type projects, or non-usual > > architectures. Maybe also libm, data science, graphics libraries - > > places where there are cpu-intensive operations that need > > optimization. What about the projects that run on graphics > > processors (boinc project or other distributed/crowd computing > > for example). Bitcoin mining (might run on dedicated ASICs). > > > > I would be interested to hear if you find something interesting > > to work on. > > > > bjb > > _______________________________________________ > > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > > i am currently learning x86 assembly and will > be going further on to x86_64 assembly soon. > i think i will focus on the x86_64 platform > only and work at improving support for more > modern x86_64 extensions like avx, avx2, > avx-512, simd and others as they come along. > for the same, i have looked into a the method > employed by the solaris linker loader due to > which a single binary can have multiple > capabilities as per the capabilities offered > by the processor. this i believe is a much > better approach than having compile time > binary generation which leads to multiple > binaries floating around. > i think, as i get better as assembly, i'll > look into improving the freebsd linker loader > and then later work on a newer assembler for > x86_64. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > i read about the solaris linker load magic from a post on this mailing list, please see the url at; https://lethargy.org/~jesus/writes/sunw_cap-arcana/ it is quite a fascinating read. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 11 14:01:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8948414D7FA9 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:01:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sp0517@zepherin.com) Received: from zepherin.com (zepherin.dsl.onthenet.net [120.29.20.59]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA96E56D for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:01:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sp0517@zepherin.com) Received: from mac-pro.wtf.zepherin.com (unknown [192.168.3.2]) by zepherin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B39BAD41E21; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 00:14:11 +1000 (AEST) From: Sam Pringle Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 23:52:39 +1000 Subject: Xen dom0 with FreeBSD 12.0 Message-Id: <7790A1D3-1B1E-4B63-9940-A50AD5913930@zepherin.com> To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 80DA96E56D X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 120.29.20.59 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sp0517@zepherin.com) smtp.mailfrom=sp0517@zepherin.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.41 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.72)[-0.723,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HFILTER_HOSTNAME_4(2.50)[zepherin.dsl.onthenet.net]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[zepherin.com]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.78)[-0.782,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: AU(-0.04)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: zepherin.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.06)[-0.063,0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:9313, ipnet:120.29.16.0/20, country:AU]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2019 14:01:05 -0000 Hi. Ran thru the instructions in = https://www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/virtualization-host-xen.html. It did specify FreeBSD 11, not 12, so I assumed that bey now, Xen 4.11 = could be used. Perhaps that was my mistake. Made all the changes as suggested. On reboot, I get: "failed to load = kernel /boot/xen". There does not appear to be any menu-based means to disable the Xen = choice, despite the /boot/menu.rc.local including the xen.4th file. I am able to recover by doing "unset xen_kernel" then "boot". However, = no Xen kernel. If this supposed to work? I am running on an HP Z8 G4 with IOMMU enabled and 64MB memory. I just blew away a Qubes-OS install as it was a bit too flakey and I was = hoping FreeBSD would serve as a dom0. It was running Xen and domU = kernels fine. I note the /boot/xen is 32-bit, whereas /boot/kernel/lkernel is 64 bit. = Does this matter? 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Byrne via freebsd-questions wrote: >> What is going on? Why is the rule 'block drop in log all' >> have effect and the rule >> >> pass log quick on $int_if \ >> from { self $int_if:network } \ >> to { self $int_if:network } >> >> does not, despite the quick option and the fact that it occurs >> first. > > Because pf always applies the *last* matching rule. It's the opposite > way round to ipfw(8). The 'quick' option is suppose to pre-empt the default behaviour. > > In general, you want to order your pf ruleset from the most general to > the most specific. You can short-circuit searching the whole ruleset > by using the 'quick' modifier -- use this on early and more general > rules to weed out the obviously wrong traffic. Which did not have the expected effect in this case. > > Also, read the docco on: > > set skip on { $int_if } > > which should achieve what you you want (assuming that you're only > logging traffic on that i/f as a debugging thing.) > I did that as a workaround whilst investigating the source of the difficulty. Which appears to turn on the difference between implementations of the network stack on Linux and FreeBSD and my general ignorance about things network beyond the superficial. I have not acquired enough knowledge to explain what is going on but the treatment of packets arriving from differing subnets on the same interface seems to be the critical element. Because the packets appear to arrive from differing networks than the destination they considered they are treated differently than those appearing from and going to the same network even when both arrive and depart on the same interface. Which they have to because there is only one internal i/f to use. This differs from the default behaviour of CentOS that I am most familiar with. I am still trying understand what that difference is exactly. -- *** e-Mail is NOT a SECURE channel *** Do NOT transmit sensitive data via e-Mail Do NOT open attachments nor follow links sent by e-Mail James B. 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From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 05:13:43 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E030014D5D2F for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:13:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1737705DA for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:13:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x1C5DR3v010487 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO) for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:13:28 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sdf.org; s=default; t=1549948412; bh=FUpvSwQf6CNtgaDkCzFZUurAt/q64b86nK48UYRRoRk=; h=Date:From:To:Subject; b=R6htTgfIHAd2xFXH8OyuoZex0Y5H/C0tmctsOx7D359CHcOTAWjiHSVPU7hVNAPsH WjD8xWbnP7XCpeH9wa3rmL9B9rZVHOoRZmGNtof3I3Te/ASCQ4qtj94P5wlh8TJX4A /H0pzoPGWPBB2wFIgh9rOYaXbuCQCjuZwB9jGV/c= Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x1C5DRnE009236 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:13:27 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:13:27 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201902120513.x1C5DRnE009236@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: stopping bluetooth attempts to activate X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E1737705DA X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sdf.org header.s=default header.b=R6htTgfI X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.36 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sdf.org:s=default]; IP_SCORE(-0.24)[ip: (-1.01), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.50), asn: 14361(0.37), country: US(-0.07)]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.16)[0.157,0]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sdf.org:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.sdf.org]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:13:44 -0000 i am getting the following message during boot; WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() i don't use bluetooth, and i don't know what netgraph is. how do i stop them from happening and hence throwing warnings? 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NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[web.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[web.de.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.58)[0.580,0]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:41:52 -0000 --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Am Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 05:13:27AM +0000 schrieb iam@sdf.org: > i am getting the following message during boot; > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() > i don't use bluetooth, and i don't know what netgraph is. > how do i stop them from happening and hence throwing warnings? How to disable bluetooth seems to be device dependent. On my Thinkpad x230, with acpi_ibm(4) loaded, the following sysctl controls bluetooth: dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth In this case I disabled bluetooth with echo dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf syctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 Best regards, Tobias --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE57V3tHionYfJ3KBDS4glXO8RhqYFAlxiXJcACgkQS4glXO8R hqYcnQ//SfMWz4eK0SNUQCv4UzYLdxAlXMdFKhwO1tqwOHAPs0m8TVS3sOS0Uotx ShGWEKgENO5KbaxfJPD8h9xBJw2TTLMXWdzSUrdAmLX4LhjNbQOxhiKVYlzaucdY /4IymSavvQjCytXTBeFxrWlHwliLxast+q235UPct0A871Nfbj3FFDGb61qDdeNb Fes8yuFxV8JsVf5hh/fZZJ75x0GfPuOocjF4KtVVdMhuRP7ldasDSf7cHa7kltYT UTvXl4p7XsEergeTXTOsCxY8aG56kjCmPXGU5aQ5VO3169oBi0fcE+47ygLilGl9 LJpD1r+vAJCYC6MJR8AKI8CpOYYIG/Be7JIgEa4ePMEY5acdL4w/cPvtcg6zGtQ/ esl4lpYLSoGnHyoSJYhW+r8Hf8tNAMHmxQFdekb7UoV+FCPDTutVIAv2BGRGRexm liLZSad5kPZmfPnbwnUUheORDv/laSwRg3Q+58Mkx5gKySk69EtgMq7B/va0R8N1 GzAagMvDtJblP1/snsFZo+P/NNQ571xMEDRKM4DOfiWsLYLCQKxlqlvCgKCUGrg9 oFCSDOkUoqN2ZUZvKZ3uDJ/kqVN3ByR24p/l2/hr7YWEtEva4rNMjUdGeLnjfdlU GQO3s96EZVc6QCXWB5wX3l9/U0IMAJ2kV8u9Qr07GjJfOxVWVlw= =QwlJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 05:56:56 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D51614D7361 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:56:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbartoletti@tuxfamily.org) Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr (smtp05.smtpout.orange.fr [80.12.242.127]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "Bizanga Labs SMTP Client Certificate", Issuer "Bizanga Labs CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FA6F71C61 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:56:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lbartoletti@tuxfamily.org) Received: from imac-de-loic.home ([86.200.199.5]) by mwinf5d52 with ME id bhwk1z00207UydA03hwkFu; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:56:45 +0100 X-ME-Helo: imac-de-loic.home X-ME-Auth: YmFydG9sZXR0aS5sb2ljQG9yYW5nZS5mcg== X-ME-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:56:45 +0100 X-ME-IP: 86.200.199.5 Subject: Re: stopping bluetooth attempts to activate To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <201902120513.x1C5DRnE009236@sdf.org> <20190212054144.GA9641@x230.local> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Lo=c3=afc_Bartoletti?= Message-ID: <67ce993e-ba5b-1ab6-620d-0ee5e5478fbd@tuxfamily.org> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:56:44 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20190212054144.GA9641@x230.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: fr X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6FA6F71C61 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=permerror (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of lbartoletti@tuxfamily.org uses mechanism not recognized by this client) smtp.mailfrom=lbartoletti@tuxfamily.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.35 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.933,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.84)[0.842,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_SPF_PERMFAIL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.tuxfamily.net,mx2.tuxfamily.net]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[127.242.12.80.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.34)[0.336,0]; IP_SCORE(0.35)[ipnet: 80.12.240.0/20(0.83), asn: 3215(0.93), country: FR(-0.01)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3215, ipnet:80.12.240.0/20, country:FR]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 05:56:56 -0000 You can also deactivate it on BIOS/UEFI Regards, Loïc Le 12/02/2019 à 06:41, Tobias Rehbein a écrit : > Am Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 05:13:27AM +0000 schrieb iam@sdf.org: >> i am getting the following message during boot; >> WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() >> WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() >> i don't use bluetooth, and i don't know what netgraph is. >> how do i stop them from happening and hence throwing warnings? > How to disable bluetooth seems to be device dependent. On my Thinkpad > x230, with acpi_ibm(4) loaded, the following sysctl controls bluetooth: > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth > > In this case I disabled bluetooth with > > echo dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf > syctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 > > Best regards, > > Tobias > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 06:20:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19B1514D7B73 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF1E472541 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:20:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x1C6KEGH008114 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:20:15 GMT Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x1C6KE44015021; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:20:14 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:20:14 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201902120620.x1C6KE44015021@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, tobias.rehbein@web.de Subject: Re: stopping bluetooth attempts to activate In-Reply-To: <20190212054144.GA9641@x230.local> References: <201902120513.x1C5DRnE009236@sdf.org>, <20190212054144.GA9641@x230.local> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EF1E472541 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.53 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.73)[-0.727,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.52)[0.519,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.sdf.org]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.24)[ip: (-0.98), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.49), asn: 14361(0.36), country: US(-0.07)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:20:29 -0000 how do i find out which sysctl controls bluetooth on my system? > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 05:42:25 2019 > From: Tobias Rehbein > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > Subject: Re: stopping bluetooth attempts to activate > > > --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > > Am Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 05:13:27AM +0000 schrieb iam@sdf.org: > > i am getting the following message during boot; > > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() > > WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() > > i don't use bluetooth, and i don't know what netgraph is. > > how do i stop them from happening and hence throwing warnings? > > How to disable bluetooth seems to be device dependent. On my Thinkpad > x230, with acpi_ibm(4) loaded, the following sysctl controls bluetooth: > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth > > In this case I disabled bluetooth with > > echo dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf > syctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 > > Best regards, > > Tobias > > > --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE57V3tHionYfJ3KBDS4glXO8RhqYFAlxiXJcACgkQS4glXO8R > hqYcnQ//SfMWz4eK0SNUQCv4UzYLdxAlXMdFKhwO1tqwOHAPs0m8TVS3sOS0Uotx > ShGWEKgENO5KbaxfJPD8h9xBJw2TTLMXWdzSUrdAmLX4LhjNbQOxhiKVYlzaucdY > /4IymSavvQjCytXTBeFxrWlHwliLxast+q235UPct0A871Nfbj3FFDGb61qDdeNb > Fes8yuFxV8JsVf5hh/fZZJ75x0GfPuOocjF4KtVVdMhuRP7ldasDSf7cHa7kltYT > UTvXl4p7XsEergeTXTOsCxY8aG56kjCmPXGU5aQ5VO3169oBi0fcE+47ygLilGl9 > LJpD1r+vAJCYC6MJR8AKI8CpOYYIG/Be7JIgEa4ePMEY5acdL4w/cPvtcg6zGtQ/ > esl4lpYLSoGnHyoSJYhW+r8Hf8tNAMHmxQFdekb7UoV+FCPDTutVIAv2BGRGRexm > liLZSad5kPZmfPnbwnUUheORDv/laSwRg3Q+58Mkx5gKySk69EtgMq7B/va0R8N1 > GzAagMvDtJblP1/snsFZo+P/NNQ571xMEDRKM4DOfiWsLYLCQKxlqlvCgKCUGrg9 > oFCSDOkUoqN2ZUZvKZ3uDJ/kqVN3ByR24p/l2/hr7YWEtEva4rNMjUdGeLnjfdlU > GQO3s96EZVc6QCXWB5wX3l9/U0IMAJ2kV8u9Qr07GjJfOxVWVlw= > =QwlJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --C7zPtVaVf+AK4Oqc-- > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 06:21:18 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 253AF14D7D26 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from mx.sdf.org (mx.sdf.org [205.166.94.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "mx.sdf.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4595A72606 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from iam@sdf.org) Received: from sdf.org (IDENT:iam@sdf.lonestar.org [205.166.94.16]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTPS id x1C6L7Ai001524 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256 bits) verified NO); Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:21:08 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=sdf.org; s=default; t=1549952475; bh=7TlOa8bpnZc1hFCsPczA+8bjCqU95zWCTI5oE0CeqFM=; h=Date:From:To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ZNxYJI53F+CIN9NFMWy3GgxjHYUmKlkcBkgwt95mzy1+EnPes7XkB3lRdVxGHIApm PX/DAsy0vfIUD41Kp87LiUkrDuFrTRgZlHy6ZdWojk9acNzl9+nj2A3csSFXOA6qlE swouJ7N95o9QR29xOFdx1L2+k8CaFgZQj1qgVJOw= Received: (from iam@localhost) by sdf.org (8.15.2/8.12.8/Submit) id x1C6L7UB006444; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:21:07 GMT Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:21:07 GMT From: iam@sdf.org Message-Id: <201902120621.x1C6L7UB006444@sdf.org> To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, lbartoletti@tuxfamily.org Subject: Re: stopping bluetooth attempts to activate In-Reply-To: <67ce993e-ba5b-1ab6-620d-0ee5e5478fbd@tuxfamily.org> References: <201902120513.x1C5DRnE009236@sdf.org>, <20190212054144.GA9641@x230.local>, <67ce993e-ba5b-1ab6-620d-0ee5e5478fbd@tuxfamily.org> X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4595A72606 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=sdf.org header.s=default header.b=ZNxYJI53 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.92 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.92)[-0.924,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[sdf.org:s=default]; IP_SCORE(-0.23)[ip: (-0.96), ipnet: 205.166.94.0/24(-0.48), asn: 14361(0.35), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.132,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.987,0]; R_BAD_CTE_7BIT(3.50)[7bit]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sdf.org]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[sdf.org:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[20.94.166.205.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.sdf.org]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:14361, ipnet:205.166.94.0/24, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 06:21:18 -0000 i checked, and double checked, there is no bios/uefi setting for deactivating bluetooth on my system. any other options? > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 05:57:31 2019 > Subject: Re: stopping bluetooth attempts to activate > To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > From: =?UTF-8?Q?Lo=c3=afc_Bartoletti?= > > You can also deactivate it on BIOS/UEFI > > Regards, > > Loïc > > Le 12/02/2019 à 06:41, Tobias Rehbein a écrit : > > Am Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 05:13:27AM +0000 schrieb iam@sdf.org: > >> i am getting the following message during boot; > >> WARNING: attempt to domain_add(bluetooth) after domainfinalize() > >> WARNING: attempt to domain_add(netgraph) after domainfinalize() > >> i don't use bluetooth, and i don't know what netgraph is. > >> how do i stop them from happening and hence throwing warnings? > > How to disable bluetooth seems to be device dependent. On my Thinkpad > > x230, with acpi_ibm(4) loaded, the following sysctl controls bluetooth: > > > > dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth > > > > In this case I disabled bluetooth with > > > > echo dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 >> /etc/sysctl.conf > > syctl dev.acpi_ibm.0.bluetooth=0 > > > > Best regards, > > > > Tobias > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 16:47:15 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3F4614EC975 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:47:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alison.saunders@technology-prospect.com) Received: from sg2plout10-01.prod.sin2.secureserver.net (sg2plout10-01.prod.sin2.secureserver.net [182.50.145.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtpout.secureserver.net", Issuer "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0ECE6DF30 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:47:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from alison.saunders@technology-prospect.com) Received: from ADMINPC ([49.207.59.219]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPSA id tb5Bg9oFS9J2ztb5wgXsTz; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:39:40 -0700 From: "Alison Saunders" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Southern California Linux Expo - SCALE 2019 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:39:40 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdTC5sDklLAdujJwRPKcBmH5pRJ9QQAAZs7QAAJL/gA= Content-Language: en-in X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfE8iJITvgUGuORzICudkxkXX0Og+ZfGO13OpzuzdOCbfqJGw8jtS1tqHy0x2OCqzhSwyU7pdXreZMLl0j6RtCcv9pqwo4gxWZ4+bcIgl3jessbzZh55J ZmTug8/9jvkBvsiQLG72zw3nyWvdg0bVJ4FHmuq2Y3yAb64lIHS25lQLZ2HA7BAFKyKYty1l1cf24i6J6zvcGmTHpG1O7LkmsFc= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E0ECE6DF30 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(3.00)[219.59.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.4]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[219.59.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.96)[0.958,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[technology-prospect.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; IP_SCORE(-0.06)[ipnet: 182.50.144.0/22(-0.44), asn: 26496(0.24), country: US(-0.07)]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.asia.secureserver.net]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.145.50.182.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26496, ipnet:182.50.144.0/22, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:47:15 -0000 Hi, Would you be interested in Southern California Linux Expo - SCALE 2019 attendee list? 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Best regards, Alison Saunders Demand Generation From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 16:54:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBA4114ECD9C for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:54:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Norman.Gray@glasgow.ac.uk) Received: from hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk (hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk [130.209.16.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E85566E599 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:53:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from Norman.Gray@glasgow.ac.uk) Received: from cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk ([130.209.14.164]) by hillend.cent.gla.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1gtbJb-00042L-OA for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:53:47 +0000 Received: from [130.209.155.69] (130.209.155.69) by cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:53:47 +0000 From: Norman Gray To: FreeBSD Questions Subject: Adjusting resource limits Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:53:45 +0000 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.12.4r5594) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [130.209.155.69] X-ClientProxiedBy: CAS08.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.165) To cas07.campus.gla.ac.uk (130.209.14.164) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E85566E599 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.82)[-0.824,0]; HAS_XOIP(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.988,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[glasgow.ac.uk]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; IP_SCORE(-0.45)[asn: 786(-2.17), country: GB(-0.09)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[102.16.209.130.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.11.2]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cleese.cent.gla.ac.uk,palin.cent.gla.ac.uk]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.13)[-0.128,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:786, ipnet:130.209.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:54:03 -0000 Greetings, I'm trying to work out how to manage resource limits for processes, and I'm clearly not understanding something. I can apply a resource limit using rctl (after adding `kern.racct.enable=1` to /boot/loader.conf and rebooting), and use it to limit the number of open files with a command such as: # rctl -a user:ldap:openfiles:deny=1024 restricting user ldap to at most 1024 open files. I can see the effect of that with # rctl user:ldap:openfiles:deny=1024 I can then restart my LDAP server (in this case), identify its PID, and query the limits on that process: # procstat -l 1130 ... 1130 slapd openfiles 232299 232299 ... rather than the 1024 I expected to see. What am I misunderstanding? All I can think of is that the resource limits apply at the point when a process is created. In this case, the process will be created by root and only later change owner to ldap -- does that mean that it's too late for any user:ldap limit to apply? That wouldn't surprise me, but the text at doesn't make any mention of this. If that is the case, what is the best way of imposing resource limits on a service such as this? I can see how one could potentially do this by adjusting `command` in the appropriate rc.d script, to use `limits -n 1024 command`, but that hardly seems the right thing to do. Should I put such a service into a jail purely on the grounds that rctl could set limits for that? I'd have expected to see some guidance on this in Chapter 11 of the manual ('Configuration and Tuning'), but can't. Thanks for any pointers, Norman -- Norman Gray : https://nxg.me.uk SUPA School of Physics and Astronomy, University of Glasgow, UK From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 16:57:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C03D014ED042 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62F9E6EA33 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1CGvZSF002903 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:57:35 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: radeon board, "fence_wait returned with error" Message-ID: <99bab026-0c63-90f3-a7fa-704afe0d5847@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:59:46 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:57:35 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 62F9E6EA33 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.57 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[nightmare.dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-3.29)[ip: (-8.62), ipnet: 66.109.128.0/19(-4.31), asn: 21947(-3.45), country: US(-0.07)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 16:57:44 -0000 Running 11.2 release with a radeon HD 5550 board, 11.2-RELEASE-p4 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p4 #0: Thu Sep 27 08:16:24 UTC 2018 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 kldstat shows the following drivers: radeonkms.ko radeon_REDWOOD_pfp_bin.ko radeon_REDWOOD_me_bin.ko radeon_REDWOOD_rlc_bin.ko radeon_REDWOOD_smc_bin.ko radeon_CYPRESS_uvd_bin.ko Things seem to be running fine but I am getting the following errors in my security log: +fence_wait returned with error -512 Can anyone explain to me what these are about? I found this thread: http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/drm2-in-base-td6284182.html but it's not clear to me what the fence is and what fence_wait is all about. 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[65.25.53.210]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id d50sm28770263qta.31.2019.02.12.09.55.04 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5C630879.2000808@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:55:05 -0500 From: Ernie Luzar User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: help with /var/log/sendmail.st rotation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: E3EAD71077 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=txuGm81c; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of luzar722@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::734 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=luzar722@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.62 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.969,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.64)[ip: (-8.65), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.51), asn: 15169(-1.97), country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.3.7.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:55:07 -0000 I have the following in rc.conf to turn off sendmail sendmail_enable="NO" sendmail_submit_enable="NO" sendmail_outbound_enable="NO" sendmail_msq_queue_enable="NO" and commented out the following line in newsyslog.conf #/var/log/sendmail.st But I still see that the /var/log/sendmail.st file it being rotated every 7 days with a file size of zero. Something else is still rotating that file. Any suggestion of how to disable the rotating of this file? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 18:02:09 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60D4D14EEBC0 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:02:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sharon.scott@eventspronews.com) Received: from sg2plout10-01.prod.sin2.secureserver.net (sg2plout10-01.prod.sin2.secureserver.net [182.50.145.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtpout.secureserver.net", Issuer "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 567F3716E3 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:02:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sharon.scott@eventspronews.com) Received: from LenovoPC ([49.207.53.250]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id tcNdgA29f9J2ztcNegXvmC; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:02:03 -0700 From: "Sharon Scott" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: SCALE Attendees Update 2019 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:02:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: 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 Content-Language: en-in X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000C369EE74689BCB4ABB59922940DEC8E3841E2300 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfBIfhEzwhyegxqAgIOMDk7BOMiywpycc2YCvMh8oL7sI6C6sQL1lL3xjXA4kj9U2Gqh1LaE44rRpYb7Vd0TtFCvXJAeUQ4ngQDVlU87tNADPhL+nCJdD oZJNGexW1dfwOPxXSiZtwmZwKcBgMEXtzkvGjEApD/cWEz+Q89PV+up29QsYMKkZa9YgbE1bi9rBng== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 567F3716E3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.54 / 15.00]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[smtp.asia.secureserver.net,mailstore1.asia.secureserver.net]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.53.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26496, ipnet:182.50.144.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_UNKNOWN(0.10)[application/ms-tnef]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(3.00)[250.53.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.61)[0.606,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.05)[ipnet: 182.50.144.0/22(-0.42), asn: 26496(0.24), country: US(-0.07)]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[eventspronews.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.145.50.182.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:02:09 -0000 Hi, Hope you having a great day. 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Kind Regards, Sharon Scott Demand Generation If you don't wish to receive our newsletters, reply back with "unsubscribe " in subject line From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 18:08:33 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B98E314EF10E for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:08:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DAA7271CB1 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:08:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.157.173]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MZSJa-1gYIHA3VTC-00WVmH; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 19:08:22 +0100 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 19:08:22 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Ernie Luzar Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: help with /var/log/sendmail.st rotation Message-Id: <20190212190822.e474fbb5.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <5C630879.2000808@gmail.com> References: <5C630879.2000808@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1bjzMtAj/znPqcqMHxjy95iwrV+b3SmaLaKXC6E8srgzi0omGej 14+0y4pKm5jgxHSd8uSFE9Lafte2knueqErMEj+SyxO4NOYp2BGSnEtsIc6HsOsoDmiluKl 7GkCrpL1KkcsUllxZM7iK6eUugYM9Fd4wyNuKNChzaZG8HGCUGFkIYV0uMLLSEyGtE2T4V3 CFdYGhzcBJzHiV7YgnKyA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:vE0X+r0X0Bw=:ea0eF7vbyYGmnq6Qeqegr/ xrt72yIChV69nmvlAmZ/TSRQ7dpgfqqOEqUu9NdFFKXAM0k2+2JZKvs/5NVPpHNuUnaT74nS8 oX2GYY0q4XEvLjPFdtqM7LX+psoLGa+I4Vawt7qFt209E1iEPOIeRYfG98tVmgbImUni35MD1 ocmZVLth6unyvCZlIMrBUhoPX09LmkRCAMEjX7Fu1A6GnG3FwuIvi8XRqZYyy1rUKfKoAd4UM JmoS0hjfoxuRA4J+MgQX2ozByITKvSJ33DUO6gEpc02F+8fquBeUw/HAFSMHx+EUAXZDBbqQP 01IqAiZ9Ah5co0pa2sDOyafbiyCT+50LT42EiyVz2EdDtGcSRGO/IGS+CkEYn7YZdfm28hnY/ +kpmUJFxN6QIyzdZTViRmumX4M0oNE9g7O1AvPnQFfRROcj6pGC5jeQnrx0uy3L2Lxdii2eWE sL24LVuW72kaZSsHmwLd2/LJrr3ahSb0zxI1HjSyCDmZ1sAAwxao9XNG4jqXgcQNqSTBD0flh ixFTwmEst/1XXJLBAIdLOvDvo7A8xEeDXGlShwrnsV9Ie5uypmupfXj7Odz+lgxSZrsbmk5/J cUg+HEnowjtvJHorWynZ2JZW0UKueeMswuRnpybR0nGcfXnMNJVgda/HSHKl6KX5HwQALWImA y9ZOlcST0omXGyeK4Oqhzl5udtG27VlEk4UnqyGG71jeQbMK9zY+cM0gZO91ya/xz8+VjwATA qMqpPHAppZSTrPnOAjwPp+r2zU5gRvKRqglZ5smLfj0g2RqiCoyh9fAt6vw= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DAA7271CB1 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.19 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx00.schlund.de,mx01.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.157.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.43)[0.429,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.25)[0.254,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.94)[0.943,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[135.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ip: (-0.28), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.80), asn: 8560(1.97), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:08:34 -0000 On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 12:55:05 -0500, Ernie Luzar wrote: > I have the following in rc.conf to turn off sendmail > > sendmail_enable="NO" > sendmail_submit_enable="NO" > sendmail_outbound_enable="NO" > sendmail_msq_queue_enable="NO" > > and commented out the following line in newsyslog.conf > #/var/log/sendmail.st > > But I still see that the /var/log/sendmail.st file it being rotated > every 7 days with a file size of zero. > > Something else is still rotating that file. > Any suggestion of how to disable the rotating of this file? Do you have something (send)mail-related in /etc/periodic/weekly/* or in a corresponding /usr/local directory? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 12 18:11:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD8614EF742 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sharon.scott@eventspronews.com) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 006D4722E8 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:11:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sharon.scott@eventspronews.com) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id B41B614EF741; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:11:39 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B94514EF73F for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:11:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sharon.scott@eventspronews.com) Received: from sg2plout10-02.prod.sin2.secureserver.net (sg2plout10-02.prod.sin2.secureserver.net [182.50.145.5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtpout.secureserver.net", Issuer "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 86014722D9 for ; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:11:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sharon.scott@eventspronews.com) Received: from LenovoPC ([49.207.53.250]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id tcWsgB6cpmD9OtcWsg3htl; Tue, 12 Feb 2019 11:11:35 -0700 From: "Sharon Scott" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: SCALE Attendees Update 2019 Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:11:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdTC/PnJdg9ZUQiUSi61CcyOcVeL4wAAAB9AAABSaOAAAAAT0AAAAAQgAAAABJAAAAAFIAAAAAXAAAAABFAAAAAF8AAAAAWAAAAABPAAAAAEUAAAAAWwAAAABFA= Content-Language: en-in X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 00000000C369EE74689BCB4ABB59922940DEC8E384672300 X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfJnUieEy6szS1n3RJe2mXcCH1zBa8p8sHhQznZ2df1G+B0TzCZ5djH9SobaJbwIM2BSHL5LzyPlNPpqXrXKRvNy+Zqzgef/zxCiKrm5fwAxzm3Ah2FHq Nl1/l7yGNT2Hui+hwJa/3Fn/W+CRPUM8xw11KG2fWd75RHLZTPKqp6iePjLbZLodOSpghI+1aAM4eg== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 86014722D9 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.61 / 15.00]; HAS_ATTACHMENT(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.asia.secureserver.net]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[250.53.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26496, ipnet:182.50.144.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_UNKNOWN(0.10)[application/ms-tnef]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(3.00)[250.53.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.65)[0.648,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/mixed,text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-0.03)[ipnet: 182.50.144.0/22(-0.29), asn: 26496(0.24), country: US(-0.07)]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[eventspronews.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[5.145.50.182.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:11:40 -0000 Hi, Hope you having a great day. I am glad you are exhibiting in Southern California Linux Expo - 2019. We have a total 3,600 Attendees, I wanted to check if you would be interested in acquiring the attendees list to drive traffic to your booth? We provide contact information including : Company name, URL/web address, Contacts name, Job titles, Mailing address, phone number and direct email address. Please review the Details below: Total Contacts - 3,600 List Delivery - XLS/CSV Let me know if you need any additional information and are you only looking for Southern California Linux Expo - 2019 list or you also have any other list requirements that we can service? 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TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[web.de]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[web.de.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:29:30 -0000 --ew6BAiZeqk4r7MaW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Am Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 06:20:14AM +0000 schrieb iam@sdf.org: > how do i find out which sysctl controls bluetooth on my system? I'm sorry, but I don't know. Maybe you have to load a device specific kernel module before getting such a sysctl, maybe it is not possible at all on your machine. If you know for sure, that you won't need bluetooth in the future, you could comment out the bluetooth specific stuff in /etc/devd.conf. But to be honest, I would probably just ignore the warnings. 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RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[78.97.168.69.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:35:11 -0000 Ernie Luzar writes: > I have the following in rc.conf to turn off sendmail > > sendmail_enable="NO" > sendmail_submit_enable="NO" > sendmail_outbound_enable="NO" > sendmail_msq_queue_enable="NO" > > and commented out the following line in newsyslog.conf > #/var/log/sendmail.st > > But I still see that the /var/log/sendmail.st file it being rotated > every 7 days with a file size of zero. > > Something else is still rotating that file. > Any suggestion of how to disable the rotating of this file? Check /etc/periodic, particularly the weekly settings. 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And it was given to him that he gave spirit to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast might also speak, and cause all them that worship not the image of the beast to be slain. And he causes all, small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to be given a sign in their right hand, or in their foreheads, That no man may buy or sell, except he that hath the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast; because it is the number of a man, and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. Apocalipse 13: 15-18 What programming languages =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Band operating systems that wil= l to be used after Jesus to return? In other words, what are the programming languages =E2=80=8B=E2=80=8Band op= erating systems that will to be used in the Antichrist's rule? 9 And a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and accept his sign in the forehead or in the hand, 10 And he shall drink the wine of divine wrath, the pure wine lying in the cup of his anger. He will be tormented by fire and brimstone before his holy angels and the Lamb. 11 The smoke of their torment shall go up for ever and ever. There will be no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever has received the sign of his name. Apocalipse 14: 9-11 Please do not accept the mark of the beast, who to accepts the mark of the beast will be condemned to live all eternity tormented in the lake of fire and brimstone. 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Trolling? Spam? Or are you a serious religious crank violating social graces? On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 00:36:09 -0300, fran=C3=A7ai s wrote: >Please do not accept the mark of the beast, who to accepts the mark of >the beast will be condemned to live all eternity tormented in the lake >of fire and brimstone. Your extortive threat does offend the code of conduct, see https://www.freebsd.org/internal/code-of-conduct.html, especially care about "Comments that reinforce systemic oppression related to [snip] religion." Btw. I know without any doubt that neither a god nor a devil does exist, they are as unreal as Smurfs, however, a mascot is just a mascot, so even somebody who believes in a god of remorseless cruelty, as you do, should be able to understand the irrelevance of Beastie related to a broken seventh seal. Perhaps you are able to stop believing in your god of remorseless cruelty and find a god of love. 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If you do not wish to receive= future emails from us, please reply as opt-out From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 13 17:03:21 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 959FF14D157C for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:03:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 724EF6BDED for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:03:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from alamar.ventu (alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1DH2pRV070336 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:02:59 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host alamar.local.netfence.it [10.1.2.18] claimed to be alamar.ventu To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Andrea Venturoli Subject: ZFS and a spare SSD: ZIL or L2ARC? Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:02:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 724EF6BDED X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.60 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.18)[ip: (0.60), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.30), asn: 30722(-0.08), country: IT(0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.87)[0.873,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.783,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it,mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.88)[0.882,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:03:21 -0000 Hello. I have a FreeBSD server with a 4TB ZRAID1 and 16GiB RAM; it's also hosting a Windows 7 with SQL Server through bhyve. Now I've just got hold of a spare SSD and, although the box performance is adequate, I'd like to see if it can boost it. Should I configure it as L2ARC? ZIL? Both? Which will benefit the bhyve VM more? bye & Thanks av. 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If your single ZIL disk dies you do lose data. Using it as L2ARC would be safe. Regards, Felix On 13/02/2019 18:02, Andrea Venturoli wrote: > Hello. > > I have a FreeBSD server with a 4TB ZRAID1 and 16GiB RAM; it's also > hosting a Windows 7 with SQL Server through bhyve. > > Now I've just got hold of a spare SSD and, although the box > performance is adequate, I'd like to see if it can boost it. > Should I configure it as L2ARC? ZIL? Both? > > Which will benefit the bhyve VM more? > >  bye & Thanks >     av. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 13 17:12:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F74F14D1A47 for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:12:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from smtp1.irishbroadband.ie (smtp2.irishbroadband.ie [62.231.32.43]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C5836C2AF for ; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:11:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from steve@sohara.org) Received: from [89.127.62.20] (helo=smtp.lan.sohara.org) by smtp1.irishbroadband.ie with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1gty4V-0003Qa-Tw for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:11:44 +0000 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.91 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1gty4V-000Hyd-7O for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:11:43 +0000 Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:11:42 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ZFS and a spare SSD: ZIL or L2ARC? 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ZIL? Both? In my experience L2ARC tends to run full and ZIL uses almost none of the space allocated. 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[162.239.0.170]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s12sm420616otk.70.2019.02.13.17.31.52 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:31:52 -0800 (PST) To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" From: "Jin Guojun[VFF]" Subject: what causes Clang to use libgcc_s.so in FreeBSD 12.0-R linker Message-ID: <14887cbb-a6ef-c6ac-f7b2-2d91e4c72351@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 17:31:46 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 1661686B7D X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=b3eX0Ypb; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jguojun@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::32b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jguojun@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.04 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.944,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; URL_IN_SUBJECT(0.40)[libgcc_s.so]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-2.48)[ip: (-7.81), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.54), asn: 15169(-1.98), country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[b.2.3.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 01:31:55 -0000 Following CC command used for build a shared library that worked on all FreeBSD releases before 12-R. The -v CC option shows that linker indeed involves libgcc and gcc_s somehow, but no -static option was shown. Not clear what the error message implies. Also, none of these source code has GNU stuff in it and what linker tried to do with gcc libraries? Is something changed for building shared libraries under 12-R? Thanks, -Jin FBSD12:  cc -Wl,-r -o libccs.so `lorder avail_type.so arg_vc.so c_array.so calibrate.so colortog .so c_map.so colort90.so dbvfft3d.so eta.so errors.so filter_f.so fits_io.so fourier.so gaussian .so glb_vars.so histgram.so icc_r.so io_ready.so libpbm.so libpbm2.so libpbm4.so libpgm1.so libp pm1.so libppm3.so libpbm1.so ln2argv.so message.so pict_r.so pgm_r.so q_sort.so rotate90.so t_co nsum.so tv_random.so time-out.so dbg_memsz.so to_sep.so to_8.so quantto8.so sub_mean.so zalloc.s o vfft3d.so vfft_2p.so c_map1.so c_to_c.so buffernw.so checksum.so dicm_h.so dir_unix.so eget_ws z.so gif_r.so ip-hdr.so private.so piperead.so parsargu.so rast_r.so sock_cnct.so sock_init.so s ock_subr.so swap_all.so table_if.so tv_empty.so tvmath.so u_db.so zreopen.so pip_read.so | tsort ` /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) *** Error code 1 (ignored) FBSD12: cc -v -Wl,-r -o libccs.so `lorder avail_type.so arg_vc.so c_array.so calibrate.so colortog.so c _map.so colort90.so dbvfft3d.so eta.so errors.so filter_f.so fits_io.so fourier.so gaussian.so g lb_vars.so histgram.so icc_r.so io_ready.so libpbm.so libpbm2.so libpbm4.so libpgm1.so libppm1.s o libppm3.so libpbm1.so ln2argv.so message.so pict_r.so pgm_r.so q_sort.so rotate90.so t_consum. so tv_random.so time-out.so dbg_memsz.so to_sep.so to_8.so quantto8.so sub_mean.so zalloc.so vff t3d.so vfft_2p.so c_map1.so c_to_c.so buffernw.so checksum.so dicm_h.so dir_unix.so eget_wsz.so gif_r.so ip-hdr.so private.so piperead.so parsargu.so rast_r.so sock_cnct.so sock_init.so sock_s ubr.so swap_all.so table_if.so tv_empty.so tvmath.so u_db.so zreopen.so pip_read.so | tsort` FreeBSD clang version 6.0.1 (tags/RELEASE_601/final 335540) (based on LLVM 6.0.1) Target: x86_64-unknown-freebsd12.0 Thread model: posix InstalledDir: /usr/bin  "/usr/bin/ld" --eh-frame-hdr -dynamic-linker /libexec/ld-elf.so.1 --hash-style=both --enable-ne w-dtags -o libccs.so /usr/lib/crt1.o /usr/lib/crti.o /usr/lib/crtbegin.o -L/usr/lib -r pip_read. so zreopen.so u_db.so tv_empty.so table_if.so rast_r.so parsargu.so piperead.so private.so ip-hd r.so gif_r.so eget_wsz.so dir_unix.so dicm_h.so checksum.so buffernw.so c_map1.so vfft_2p.so sub _mean.so to_8.so to_sep.so dbg_memsz.so time-out.so tv_random.so t_consum.so pgm_r.so pict_r.so ln2argv.so libppm3.so libppm1.so libpgm1.so libpbm2.so libpbm.so io_ready.so icc_r.so histgram.s o glb_vars.so gaussian.so fits_io.so filter_f.so eta.so dbvfft3d.so colort90.so c_map.so colorto g.so calibrate.so c_array.so arg_vc.so avail_type.so tvmath.so swap_all.so sock_init.so sock_cnc t.so vfft3d.so quantto8.so rotate90.so q_sort.so libpbm1.so libpbm4.so fourier.so sock_subr.so c _to_c.so zalloc.so errors.so message.so -lgcc --as-needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed -lc -lgcc --as- needed -lgcc_s --no-as-needed /usr/lib/crtend.o /usr/lib/crtn.o /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so /usr/bin/ld: error: attempted static link of dynamic object /usr/lib/libgcc_s.so cc: error: linker command failed with exit code 1 (use -v to see invocation) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 14 14:48:54 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F0CE14D6B67 for ; 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To: "Steve O'Hara-Smith" Cc: FreeBSD Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 52269745CC X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=BQF2lJe6; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kraduk@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kraduk@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.69 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.94)[-0.937,0]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[f.2.1.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(-2.74)[ip: (-9.11), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.55), asn: 15169(-1.98), country: US(-0.07)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:48:54 -0000 You need to be careful with L2ARC as under certain conditions it can actually degrade performance. This is down to you needing a data structure in ram to manage the l2arc. This comes at the expense of ARC. However this is more of an edge case when you are adding huge amounts of L2ARC compared to system ram, but important in the enterprise world. >From your described workload ZiL might be better suited as databases and virtualisation often cause lots of sync writes. This is where Zil can help. However the picture is never simple. If you are going to have a zil you really want it mirrored, as like others have said its critical if it fails. Your SSD also needs to have good write endurance. You can achieve this by either spending loads and getting a high quality drive or over capacitying something cheaper. (as bigger drives have a higher lifetime writes). However you do this you are relying on the wear levelling working correctly. Another thing to consider is again a separate ZiL can hurt performance, depending on workloads and the configuration of the main pool vs the ssd/nve used. A large zpool can have a higher write throughput than a single puny ssd so unless you are heavily io contended you would hurt performance in this scenario. Sorry to paint a complicated picture but like most things there is no right or wrong, just choices and balancing of risks. On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 at 17:15, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: > On Wed, 13 Feb 2019 18:02:51 +0100 > Andrea Venturoli wrote: > > > Now I've just got hold of a spare SSD and, although the box performance > > is adequate, I'd like to see if it can boost it. > > Should I configure it as L2ARC? ZIL? Both? > > In my experience L2ARC tends to run full and ZIL uses almost none > of the space allocated. But then my workload is read heavy - for a write > heavy workload ZIL is probably more beneficial. > > -- > Steve O'Hara-Smith > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 14 15:47:34 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 543F214D89E8 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:47:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from soth.netfence.it (net-2-44-121-52.cust.vodafonedsl.it [2.44.121.52]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mailserver.netfence.it", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5F7877350 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:47:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) Received: from guardian.ventu (host42-227-static.19-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it [80.19.227.42]) (authenticated bits=0) by soth.netfence.it (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x1EFlLmJ001377 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 16:47:23 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from ml@netfence.it) X-Authentication-Warning: soth.netfence.it: Host host42-227-static.19-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it [80.19.227.42] claimed to be guardian.ventu Subject: Re: ZFS and a spare SSD: ZIL or L2ARC? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20190213171142.33b7c430c5ec256b1cbafa42@sohara.org> From: Andrea Venturoli Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 16:47:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.83 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D5F7877350 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.79 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.17)[ip: (0.58), ipnet: 2.44.0.0/16(0.29), asn: 30722(-0.07), country: IT(0.06)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.87)[0.871,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.968,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.netfence.it]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.89)[0.891,0]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[netfence.it]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:30722, ipnet:2.44.0.0/16, country:IT]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 15:47:34 -0000 On 2/14/19 3:48 PM, krad wrote: > You need to be careful with L2ARC as under certain conditions it can > actually degrade performance. This is down to you needing a data structure > in ram to manage the l2arc. This comes at the expense of ARC. However this > is more of an edge case when you are adding huge amounts of L2ARC compared > to system ram, but important in the enterprise world. This is interesting. I understand precise measurement would be required: are there proper tools to do this? Lacking them, are there "known cases" described? Like 16GiB RAM + 128 GiB SSD (which would be my case)? > From your described workload ZiL might be better suited as databases and > virtualisation often cause lots of sync writes. This is where Zil can help. > However the picture is never simple. If you are going to have a zil you > really want it mirrored This was also my impression: I would probably benefit more from a ZiL than an L2ARC, but as I said, I've only got a spare SSD (no mirror). Since this is more of a curiosity than a real need, I'm not risking data. bye & Thanks av. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 14 19:15:02 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E91E514DE4F5 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:15:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christine.cione@tradeshowattendees.com) Received: from sg2plout10-01.prod.sin2.secureserver.net (sg2plout10-01.prod.sin2.secureserver.net [182.50.145.4]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "smtpout.secureserver.net", Issuer "Starfield Secure Certificate Authority - G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ED9A287876 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:15:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from christine.cione@tradeshowattendees.com) Received: from ADMINPC ([49.207.60.170]) by :SMTPAUTH: with ESMTPA id uMLrgJFzz9J2zuMM8galPB; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 12:07:32 -0700 From: "Christine Cione" To: References: In-Reply-To: Subject: SCALE 2019 Attendees Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 14:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AdTElNeK6zWNBmQ3TQaoRX05C2XrvQAA7FwA Content-Language: en-in X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIODOSCYyr2V8qMrN3ccFnd+5FT+q+hmrgUwnNwL/xYQF08T6Da3gpIs9Pr6qHv8D9NYkabOMe+O/MKOQtS7AgwgEZBjEpZvXbxEUYPrtPURx5wSY3+P o1B+vfas+xYqyelQXBs6MIhsYSvlaP11HYAFEp0M5iBy+0Y32l+xvQDkdooh73h8jypUxhZGptwX0dm7QXke8tttx166KIMqqi0= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ED9A287876 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [7.31 / 15.00]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: smtp.asia.secureserver.net]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[170.60.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:26496, ipnet:182.50.144.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_SPACES(0.50)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_XBL(3.00)[170.60.207.49.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.4]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.92)[0.917,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tradeshowattendees.com]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(0.01)[ipnet: 182.50.144.0/22(-0.13), asn: 26496(0.24), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[4.145.50.182.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body] X-Spam: Yes Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 19:15:02 -0000 Hi, I am glad to know you are exhibiting at Southern California Linux Expo - SCALE 2019. 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Thanks, Christine Cione Not interested: Reply Leave Out From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 14 21:20:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E5A714E1F0F for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:20:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B7F38C45F for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:20:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from localhost by mail.inka.de with local-rmail id 1guOQQ-0000F5-T0; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:20:06 +0100 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1ELGmDB028815 for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:16:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x1ELGmsS028814 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 22:16:48 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:16:48 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <201902101556.x1AFu1JO027552@sdf.org> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6B7F38C45F X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.10 / 15.00]; IP_SCORE(0.91)[ip: (2.40), ipnet: 2a04:c9c7::/32(1.20), asn: 202113(0.96), country: DE(-0.01)]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mail.inka.de]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:202113, ipnet:2a04:c9c7::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.997,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inka.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 21:20:11 -0000 On 2019-02-10, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions wrote: > Assembly is most often used for drivers: It is not. I don't know where you got that bizarre idea. Offhand, I'd say the biggest (as in lines of code) remaining use of assembly language are optimized implementations of cryptographic algorithms. However, the more popular the platform, the fewer gaps there are to fill. 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I don't know where you got that bizarre idea. > > Offhand, I'd say the biggest (as in lines of code) remaining use > of assembly language are optimized implementations of cryptographic > algorithms. However, the more popular the platform, the fewer gaps > there are to fill. > > Oh, and a general piece of sad wisdom I have learned over the last > twenty years: If somebody needs to ask how they can contribute, > they can't. I made my idea that Assembly is often used for drivers from a bit of experi= ence and documents such as this one: http://brokenthorn.com/Resources/OSDevIndex.html It is a tutorial for starting developing an OS. There is much of Assembly a= nd C, but the C that is in there really is a sort of high-level Assembly: of course, = as you do not have any OS yet, you do not have any C standard library to link with yet. I also happened to write some lines for a microcontroller: it was a pretty = short work, it would have been silly in this case to waste time using an existent C com= piler (if any) or to develop in "C as high-level Assembly". I talked with other people who also used Assembly for programming microproc= essors. Those web pages also claim Assembly is used for drivers: https://stackoverflow.com/a/791541 https://www.codeproject.com/articles/89460/why-learn-assembly-language https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assembly_language#Current_usage Now, if your objection was about the words "most often", I might indeed be = wrong: I never made a statistical research on the topic and my impression might in= deed be wrong. About your last lines (the "general piece of sad wisdom"), I disagree. I wo= uld rather say that if somebody needs to ask how they can contribute, they can't *yet*: th= at's why they are asking! If they want to contribute but lacks knowledge, they can learn.= I do agree that some people that ask such questions ask them because they do not see t= hey are not ready (yet) to contribute, but it is not the rule and it does not preve= nt them to improve their skills: what can prevent some of them is the "if you need to = ask you can't" answer; on the other hand what can help them is point them to good learning= material. Lorenzo Salvadore. 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WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_AARCH64= WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_ARM= WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_MIPS= WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_POWERPC= WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_SPARC= WITHOUT_LLVM_TARGET_X86= From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 02:49:24 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B41F14EBBF1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:49:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8EED7188E for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:49:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:41:14 -0800 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: David Christensen Subject: FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 jail ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2019 18:41:05 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 02:49:24 -0000 freebsd-questions: I have a FreeBSD machine: root@beastie:~ # freebsd-version ; uname -a 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD beastie 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Feb 5 15:30:36 UTC 2019 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 It has one network interface with one alias: root@beastie:~ # grep ifconfig /etc/rc.conf ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.5.9 netmask 255.255.255.0" ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.5.8 netmask 255.255.255.255" I have created a jail that I plan to use for Samba: root@beastie:~ # cat /etc/jail.conf samba { host.hostname="samba.tracy.holgerdanske.com"; ip4.addr="192.168.5.8"; path="/jail/samba"; mount.devfs; exec.clean; exec.start="sh /etc/rc"; exec.stop="sh /etc/rc.shutdown"; } I have copied resolv.conf into the jail: root@beastie:~ # cat /jail/samba/etc/resolv.conf search tracy.holgerdanske.com nameserver 192.168.5.1 I have created rc.conf inside the jail: root@beastie:~ # cat /jail/samba/etc/rc.conf defaultrouter="192.168.5.1" ntpd_enable="YES" sshd_enable="YES" I have create a dummy fstab inside the jail: root@beastie:~ # ll /jail/samba/etc/fstab -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 0 2019/02/14 16:16:13 /jail/samba/etc/fstab I have enabled jails at host startup: root@beastie:~ # grep jail /etc/rc.conf jail_enable="YES" I have enabled jail raw sockets on both the host and inside the jail: root@beastie:~ # grep jail /etc/sysctl.conf security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 root@beastie:~ # cat /jail/samba/etc/sysctl.conf | grep -v # security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 When I reboot the host: root@beastie:~ # shutdown -r now The jail is running: root@beastie:~ # service jail status JID IP Address Hostname Path samba 192.168.5.8 samba.tracy.holgerdanske.com /jail/samba Jail raw sockets are enabled on the host: root@beastie:~ # sysctl security.jail.allow_raw_sockets security.jail.allow_raw_sockets: 1 But they are disabled in the jail: root@samba:/ # sysctl security.jail.allow_raw_sockets security.jail.allow_raw_sockets: 0 The jail network interfaces look good: root@samba:/ # ifconfig em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 options=209b ether 54:bf:64:72:38:db hwaddr 54:bf:64:72:38:db inet 192.168.5.8 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 192.168.5.8 media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) status: active lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 options=600003 groups: lo But the jail cannot ping itself, the host, or any other host: root@beastie:~ # jexec samba /bin/csh -l root@samba:/ # ping localhost ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted root@samba:/ # ping 192.168.5.9 ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted root@samba:/ # ping 192.168.5.1 ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted Suggestions? David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 08:16:45 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4597314B412D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:16:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B35D184BB6 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:16:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7286710649; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:16:36 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 jail ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted To: David Christensen , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: <7950becf-03af-8fa3-f143-dece2f250440@qeng-ho.org> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:16:36 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B35D184BB6 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 08:16:45 -0000 On 15/02/2019 02:41, David Christensen wrote: > freebsd-questions: > > I have a FreeBSD machine: > > root@beastie:~ # freebsd-version ; uname -a > 11.2-RELEASE-p9 > FreeBSD beastie 11.2-RELEASE-p9 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 #0: Tue Feb  5 > 15:30:36 UTC 2019 > root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC  amd64 > > > It has one network interface with one alias: > > root@beastie:~ # grep ifconfig /etc/rc.conf > ifconfig_em0="inet 192.168.5.9 netmask 255.255.255.0" > ifconfig_em0_alias0="inet 192.168.5.8 netmask 255.255.255.255" > > > I have created a jail that I plan to use for Samba: > > root@beastie:~ # cat /etc/jail.conf > samba { >     host.hostname="samba.tracy.holgerdanske.com"; >     ip4.addr="192.168.5.8"; >     path="/jail/samba"; >     mount.devfs; >     exec.clean; >     exec.start="sh /etc/rc"; >     exec.stop="sh /etc/rc.shutdown"; > } > > > I have copied resolv.conf into the jail: > > root@beastie:~ # cat /jail/samba/etc/resolv.conf > search tracy.holgerdanske.com > nameserver 192.168.5.1 > > > I have created rc.conf inside the jail: > > root@beastie:~ # cat /jail/samba/etc/rc.conf > defaultrouter="192.168.5.1" > ntpd_enable="YES" > sshd_enable="YES" > > > I have create a dummy fstab inside the jail: > > root@beastie:~ # ll /jail/samba/etc/fstab > -rw-r--r--  1 root  wheel  0 2019/02/14 16:16:13 /jail/samba/etc/fstab > > > I have enabled jails at host startup: > > root@beastie:~ # grep jail /etc/rc.conf > jail_enable="YES" > > > I have enabled jail raw sockets on both the host and inside the jail: > > root@beastie:~ # grep jail /etc/sysctl.conf > security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 > > root@beastie:~ # cat /jail/samba/etc/sysctl.conf | grep -v # > security.jail.allow_raw_sockets=1 > > > When I reboot the host: > > root@beastie:~ # shutdown -r now > > > The jail is running: > > root@beastie:~ # service jail status >  JID             IP Address      Hostname                      Path >  samba           192.168.5.8     samba.tracy.holgerdanske.com  /jail/samba > > > Jail raw sockets are enabled on the host: > > root@beastie:~ # sysctl security.jail.allow_raw_sockets > security.jail.allow_raw_sockets: 1 > > > But they are disabled in the jail: > > root@samba:/ # sysctl security.jail.allow_raw_sockets > security.jail.allow_raw_sockets: 0 > > > The jail network interfaces look good: > > root@samba:/ # ifconfig > em0: flags=8843 metric 0 mtu 1500 >     options=209b > >     ether 54:bf:64:72:38:db >     hwaddr 54:bf:64:72:38:db >     inet 192.168.5.8 netmask 0xffffffff broadcast 192.168.5.8 >     media: Ethernet autoselect (1000baseT ) >     status: active > lo0: flags=8049 metric 0 mtu 16384 >     options=600003 >     groups: lo > > > But the jail cannot ping itself, the host, or any other host: > > root@beastie:~ # jexec samba /bin/csh -l > > root@samba:/ # ping localhost > ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted > > root@samba:/ # ping 192.168.5.9 > ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted > > root@samba:/ # ping 192.168.5.1 > ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted > > > Suggestions? > Read the manual entry for jail(8). Specifically this bit allow.raw_sockets The jail root is allowed to create raw sockets. Setting this parameter allows utilities like ping(8) and traceroute(8) to operate inside the jail. If this is set, the source IP addresses are enforced to comply with the IP address bound to the jail, regardless of whether or not the IP_HDRINCL flag has been set on the socket. Since raw sockets can be used to configure and interact with various network subsystems, extra caution should be used where privileged access to jails is given out to untrusted parties. -- Always learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to learn from making all possible mistakes yourself. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 10:34:42 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABCC14D505C for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:34:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ole@free.de) Received: from smtp.free.de (smtp.free.de [91.204.6.103]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 178458A2A5 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:34:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ole@free.de) Received: from bard (x2f406fb.dyn.telefonica.de [2.244.6.251]) by smtp.free.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 37C2823088 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:34:27 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:34:23 +0100 From: Ole To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ZFS deadlock on parallel ZFS operations FreeBSD 11.2 and 12.0 Message-ID: <20190215113423.01edabe9.ole@free.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/PFqTLl197+HIroS.1xohi5P"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 178458A2A5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ole@free.de designates 91.204.6.103 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ole@free.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.63 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[free.de]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[pop.free.de]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.22)[-0.216,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[103.6.204.91.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.00)[country: DE(-0.01)]; SIGNED_PGP(-2.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[251.6.244.2.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31371, ipnet:91.204.4.0/22, country:DE]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 10:34:42 -0000 --Sig_/PFqTLl197+HIroS.1xohi5P Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I observed that FreeBSD Systems with ZFS will run into a deadlock if there are many parallel zfs send/receive/snapshot processes. I observed this on bare metal and virtual machines with FreeBSD 11.2 and 12.0. With RAM from 20 to 64G. If the system is also on ZFS the whole system crashes. With only jails on ZFS they freeze, but the Host system stays stable. But you can't kill -9 the zfs processes. Only a poweroff stops the machine. On a FreeBSD 12.0 VM (bhyve), 30G RAM, 5 CPUs, about 30 zfs operations, mostly send and receive will crash the system. There is no heavy load on the machine: # top | head -8 last pid: 91503; load averages: 0.34, 0.31, 0.29 up 0+22:50:47 11:24:00 536 processes: 1 running, 529 sleeping, 6 zombie CPU: 0.9% user, 0.0% nice, 1.5% system, 0.2% interrupt, 97.4% idle Mem: 165M Active, 872M Inact, 19G Wired, 264M Buf, 9309M Free ARC: 11G Total, 2450M MFU, 7031M MRU, 216M Anon, 174M Header, 1029M Other 8423M Compressed, 15G Uncompressed, 1.88:1 Ratio Swap: 1024M Total, 1024M Free I wonder if this is a BUG or normal behaviour. I could live with a limited amount of parallel ZFS operation, but I don't want the whole system to crash.=20 Reducing the vfs.zfs.arc_max wont help. Any Idea to handle with this? regards Ole --Sig_/PFqTLl197+HIroS.1xohi5P Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: Digitale Signatur von OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEE60BGd7KVfL83NXCUJZaRRqjklFAFAlxmla8ACgkQJZaRRqjk lFDO/w//fZkynrf21xaOHips2oijOsnPydvKz1WO+YPeNiHHYhfcCyYKLj8+tQyI /YMCo6vuqpPlX91tsFNPedjgc5VmspuCkLuUqL2iomR3sc3eUZNDsdMqr+PDeiN4 IyDoguZmpUAffO28fF/MPcp4PPZ7Usyp0jLhPStbhAYmGsu0IGfAnLF7IlI0fXoN 7uk3z2KOm+xVBVAm5vBtDgCo85OUYW6Pq+/wLWq90aSBFBeiQkgQjwvdbZ0pi797 9dEt+7IegIHODHl116s+psEjVwxCzxneN/Uski8d0qTolnoYiizEN3KtA6FMNDd2 cpqRlZWfAxbjVRVa6OGT44NhtwEMQlubPIO409u81d8M8hFfRV7wRPkkXwqSlOu7 9s45jT+mLSLChFvFwB34ki+dYLaQpFhyH4KUy/QhWmXNVl6BwtcILVqiel3JgQRg yxlutVjkTeFoyjXLFjWVbddy45Irm+Q9qG6vDdU4OvT8z8EkXtMNKVqfCVXh0zZD pjImy6YrXkz69cQ8naXxtfAwLr22feYbCqBXA897vRWBTx6KaLnmC19KaiIbyaHJ ptr67ikSa2LMAFkhDWME2STLmAz2AGlmCUlDqq5ReaWj+L0FtUKwaOKe9mO3nR/o Klev2Y7nv4nSnzNoLixdW2IudCb3N82tGja6qKVBpsk6AKSlgfE= =dHWu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/PFqTLl197+HIroS.1xohi5P-- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 15:18:38 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478AB14DDF88 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:18:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75B046E19D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:18:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65E9718069 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:18:30 -0600 (CST) To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Valeri Galtsev Subject: "Smartness-free" web browser? Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:18:30 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 75B046E19D X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.12 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.16)[-0.161,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.55)[-0.552,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.76)[0.762,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:18:38 -0000 Dear Experts, I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was using midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduced into latest midori. Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I loved for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially in case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw up when using GUI. In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that I can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it is smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. Any suggestions, anybody? Thanks in advance. Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 15:23:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FF0614DE311 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:23:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4453D6E5F7 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:23:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 586A110645; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:23:25 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? To: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List References: From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:23:25 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4453D6E5F7 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.73 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.mythic-beasts.com,mx2.mythic-beasts.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.06)[-0.057,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.38)[asn: 13037(-1.82), country: GB(-0.09)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:23:28 -0000 On 15/02/2019 15:18, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was using > midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduced > into latest midori. > > Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I loved > for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially in > case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw up > when using GUI. > > In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, > midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces > locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can > disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept > certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that I > can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it is > smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. > > Any suggestions, anybody? Depending on how much graphic decoration the GUI uses, maybe a text based browser like lynx might serve your needs? -- Always learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to learn from making all possible mistakes yourself. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 15:36:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF8BE14DE859 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254246ECD2 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:36:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3A8718069; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:36:43 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? To: Arthur Chance , FreeBSD Mailing List References: From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:36:42 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 254246ECD2 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none) X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.68 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.24)[-0.239,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.63)[0.625,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.78)[-0.778,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.01)[country: US(-0.07)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 15:36:45 -0000 On 2/15/19 9:23 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > On 15/02/2019 15:18, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> Dear Experts, >> >> I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was using >> midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduced >> into latest midori. >> >> Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I loved >> for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially in >> case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw up >> when using GUI. >> >> In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, >> midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces >> locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can >> disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept >> certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that I >> can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it is >> smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. >> >> Any suggestions, anybody? > > Depending on how much graphic decoration the GUI uses, maybe a text > based browser like lynx might serve your needs? > Thanks for suggestion! Alas, 3ware uses frames which lunx doesn't support... Valeri -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 16:07:07 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F221814DFA7D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:07:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch (mail4.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.protonmail.ch", Issuer "SwissSign Server Silver CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9174A6FF36 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:07:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from phascolarctos@protonmail.ch) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:06:57 +0000 To: FreeBSD Questions From: Lorenzo Salvadore Reply-To: Lorenzo Salvadore Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? Message-ID: <2Gje1zHyY4F4xdAjUygdYrv0s4_NPauqPcpmN5Uh6S3D_3kOP-StUCF5zZyamJ-kLWpkO1mkpQkOSglyhTFszdHgLfUNr5Q3W9iMjeWn8os=@protonmail.ch> In-Reply-To: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> Feedback-ID: X6az_D2smWSR8MT5MHqXnWF0upxehDyHia7Id1cbayHNBUkRu3CIeusDsZHiivIIjmaKB1_OofpALrRUYjNz3w==:Ext:ProtonMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=7.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on mail.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 9174A6FF36 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.83 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[phascolarctos@protonmail.ch]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mailsec.protonmail.ch]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protonmail.ch:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protonmail.ch,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.976,0]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[27.40.70.185.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:19905, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[protonmail.ch.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protonmail.ch:s=default]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; IP_SCORE(-3.75)[ip: (-9.84), ipnet: 185.70.40.0/24(-4.90), asn: 19905(-3.92), country: US(-0.07)]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:07:07 -0000 > On 2/15/19 9:23 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > On 15/02/2019 15:18, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > > Dear Experts, > > > I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was usin= g > > > midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduc= ed > > > into latest midori. > > > Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I lo= ved > > > for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially= in > > > case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw = up > > > when using GUI. > > > In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, > > > midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces > > > locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can > > > disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept > > > certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that tha= t I > > > can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it= is > > > smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. > > > Any suggestions, anybody? > > > > Depending on how much graphic decoration the GUI uses, maybe a text > > based browser like lynx might serve your needs? > > Thanks for suggestion! > > Alas, 3ware uses frames which lunx doesn't support... I did not understand very well your requirements (my fault: I think I lack = experience in what you are doing), but I can suggest two web browsers that are pretty = basic. I usa falkon, which is the new version of qupzilla. I choosed Qupzilla/Falk= on for its simplicity: it always does what I ask without fancy useless things, and if = something gets in my way, I can usually disable it. However it is based on qt5, thus = it might be too complex for your needs. In that case, I am pretty sure dillo makes your deal: it's awful, unusable = for any modern website (at least, this is my opinion). But it might be perfect for you, I = think it can deal with your web interfaces. Lorenzo Salvadore. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 16:19:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC5CF14DFEAD for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from bede.qeng-ho.org (bede.qeng-ho.org [217.155.128.241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0B2070656 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@qeng-ho.org) Received: from arthur.home.qeng-ho.org (arthur.home.qeng-ho.org [172.23.1.2]) by bede.qeng-ho.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD5710645; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:53 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? To: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Arthur Chance Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:53 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C0B2070656 X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@qeng-ho.org designates 217.155.128.241 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@qeng-ho.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.71 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.98)[-0.979,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:217.155.128.240/29]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-0.998,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[qeng-ho.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.mythic-beasts.com]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.05)[-0.050,0]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:13037, ipnet:217.155.0.0/16, country:GB]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.37)[asn: 13037(-1.78), country: GB(-0.09)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:55 -0000 On 15/02/2019 15:36, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > On 2/15/19 9:23 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: >> On 15/02/2019 15:18, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>> Dear Experts, >>> >>> I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was using >>> midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduced >>> into latest midori. >>> >>> Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I loved >>> for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially in >>> case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw up >>> when using GUI. >>> >>> In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, >>> midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces >>> locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can >>> disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept >>> certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that I >>> can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it is >>> smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. >>> >>> Any suggestions, anybody? >> >> Depending on how much graphic decoration the GUI uses, maybe a text >> based browser like lynx might serve your needs? >> > > Thanks for suggestion! > > Alas, 3ware uses frames which lunx doesn't support... In which case, maybe links (www/links). From its features list > Tables, frames in both graphics and text mode, built-in image display in graphics mode. Please note, I haven't used it, I'm just going by its documentation. -- Always learn from the mistakes of others, because you won't live long enough to learn from making all possible mistakes yourself. 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To: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List References: From: Boyan Penkov Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 11:47:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4781F718DD X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=YQEKVHnc; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of boyanpenkov@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::833 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=boyanpenkov@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.66 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.966,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-2.69)[ip: (-8.81), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.58), asn: 15169(-1.99), country: US(-0.07)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:47:37 -0000 What about https://surf.suckless.org/ ? Cheers! On 2/15/19 10:18 AM, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > Dear Experts, > > I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was using > midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" > introduced into latest midori. > > Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I > loved for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, > especially in case of hardware RAID management, it is much more > difficult to screw up when using GUI. > > In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, > midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces > locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can > disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept > certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that > I can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking > it is smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. > > Any suggestions, anybody? > > Thanks in advance. > > Valeri > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 17:20:30 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CC914E1823 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:20:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from be-well.ilk.org (be-well.ilk.org [23.30.133.173]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8699472AD5 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:20:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-questions-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (router.lan [172.30.250.2]) by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7F333C0B; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:15:02 -0500 (EST) Received: by lowell-desk.be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id EB8F3150C488; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:15:01 -0500 (EST) From: Lowell Gilbert To: Arthur Chance Cc: Valeri Galtsev , FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? References: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 12:15:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Arthur Chance's message of "Fri, 15 Feb 2019 16:19:53 +0000") Message-ID: <44k1i1q8h6.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (berkeley-unix) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8699472AD5 X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.65 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.40)[-0.399,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[ilk.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.40)[0.404,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: be-well.ilk.org]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.27)[-0.268,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7922, ipnet:23.30.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.07)[ip: (0.10), ipnet: 23.30.0.0/15(0.08), asn: 7922(-0.46), country: US(-0.07)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:20:30 -0000 Arthur Chance writes: > On 15/02/2019 15:36, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >> >> >> On 2/15/19 9:23 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: >>> On 15/02/2019 15:18, Valeri Galtsev wrote: >>>> Dear Experts, >>>> >>>> I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I was using >>>> midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduced >>>> into latest midori. >>>> >>>> Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I loved >>>> for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially in >>>> case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw up >>>> when using GUI. >>>> >>>> In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, >>>> midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces >>>> locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can >>>> disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept >>>> certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that I >>>> can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it is >>>> smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions, anybody? >>> >>> Depending on how much graphic decoration the GUI uses, maybe a text >>> based browser like lynx might serve your needs? >>> >> >> Thanks for suggestion! >> >> Alas, 3ware uses frames which lunx doesn't support... > > In which case, maybe links (www/links). From its features list > >> Tables, frames in both graphics and text mode, built-in image display > in graphics mode. > > Please note, I haven't used it, I'm just going by its documentation. It does okay. www/w3m sometimes does better. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 17:28:04 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 568B514E1CC9 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:28:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (baobab.bilink.net [212.45.144.44]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1332A73117 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from luciano@vespaperitivo.it) Received: from baobab.bilink.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441KwC2k7sz1ftYH for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:27:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from hermes.mcs.it (hermes.mcs.it [192.168.132.21]) by baobab.bilink.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441KwC1z1nz1ftWW for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:27:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from mordeus (unknown [192.168.45.6]) by hermes.mcs.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3B74D26E0 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:27:54 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:27:54 +0100 From: Luciano Mannucci To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? 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I'm using palemoon from pkg, which seems quite good. I was using Firefox and moved away for moreless same reasons as you. Luciano. -- /"\ /Via A. Salaino, 7 - 20144 Milano (Italy) \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN / PHONE : +39 2 485781 FAX: +39 2 48578250 X AGAINST HTML MAIL / E-MAIL: posthamster@sublink.sublink.ORG / \ AND POSTINGS / WWW: http://www.lesassaie.IT/ From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 17:57:44 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE5614E2A5B for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:57:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [184.105.128.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B21C0748BD for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:57:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 ([99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:TLSv1.2:Kx=ECDH:Au=RSA:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:57:39 -0800 Subject: Re: FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p9 jail ping: ssend socket: Operation not permitted To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <7950becf-03af-8fa3-f143-dece2f250440@qeng-ho.org> From: David Christensen Message-ID: <1738b413-f4de-bb0e-6df1-f37e030fc380@holgerdanske.com> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 09:57:38 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7950becf-03af-8fa3-f143-dece2f250440@qeng-ho.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B21C0748BD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.88 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.21)[ipnet: 184.104.0.0/15(2.33), asn: 6939(-3.29), country: US(-0.07)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.83)[-0.832,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.14)[0.140,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.89)[0.888,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[holgerdanske.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[27.128.105.184.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:184.104.0.0/15, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:57:44 -0000 On 2/15/19 12:16 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > Read the manual entry for jail(8). Specifically this bit > > allow.raw_sockets On 2/15/19 6:21 AM, Ernie Luzar wrote: > The allow_raw_sockets option has to be inside of the samba jail > definition in jail.conf. > > defaultrouter="192.168.5.1" is not needed in the jails rc.conf file. Thank you both for the help. I removed "security.jail.allow_raw_sockets" from both the host and the jailed sysctl.conf. I added "allow.raw_sockets" in the host jail.conf: root@beastie:~ # cat /etc/jail.conf samba { allow.raw_sockets=1; exec.clean; exec.start="sh /etc/rc"; exec.stop="sh /etc/rc.shutdown"; host.hostname="samba.tracy.holgerdanske.com"; ip4.addr="192.168.5.8"; mount.devfs; path="/jail/samba"; } And I removed "defaultrouter" from the jailed rc.conf. After rebooting, ping now works inside the jail. David From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 18:01:06 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF0514E2D94 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:01:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay3-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay3-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.184]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 75D4874C25 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:01:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=I8Nns7ytahyVyhuzRAuz5sruiIV+ywX86YQtmNnL8D8=; b=mFBt/W84mzfUS0cd+w+9otF4lRUZQOZbvrdOSrCBLlS4bcv/v+lO41A+SSkSLDoya3M6AR2zj/uiu AOlSQdwXpplVPxco1ibiURT/YIw4SnoqRgIrUnLZSm6QUuCwCOKLu+1JNyKrP8lXn9JypxTwE8lltk gP3nId8mnORj2d8g= X-HalOne-Cookie: 216ee993e4cd59c70cdbcdd0032a6d90fe9f1b54 X-HalOne-ID: 64f1bc4f-3149-11e9-906a-d0431ea8bb03 Received: from picadelly.monsieur.mathieu (unknown [85.165.244.175]) by mailrelay3.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 64f1bc4f-3149-11e9-906a-d0431ea8bb03; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 17:44:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? From: Matthias Oestreicher To: FreeBSD Questions Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:44:50 +0100 In-Reply-To: <2Gje1zHyY4F4xdAjUygdYrv0s4_NPauqPcpmN5Uh6S3D_3kOP-StUCF5zZyamJ-kLWpkO1mkpQkOSglyhTFszdHgLfUNr5Q3W9iMjeWn8os=@protonmail.ch> References: <4fc0f22a-c901-aa8c-e083-adbeef12a525@kicp.uchicago.edu> <2Gje1zHyY4F4xdAjUygdYrv0s4_NPauqPcpmN5Uh6S3D_3kOP-StUCF5zZyamJ-kLWpkO1mkpQkOSglyhTFszdHgLfUNr5Q3W9iMjeWn8os=@protonmail.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 75D4874C25 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=smormegpa.no header.s=20140924 header.b=mFBt/W84 X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.18 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[smormegpa.no:s=20140924]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[smormegpa.no]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.994,0]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(1.00)[ipnet: 46.30.208.0/21(2.96), asn: 51468(2.10), country: DK(-0.05)]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[smormegpa.no:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx1.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx2.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com,mx3.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[184.210.30.46.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.995,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51468, ipnet:46.30.208.0/21, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 18:01:06 -0000 Am Freitag, den 15.02.2019, 16:06 +0000 schrieb Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions: > > On 2/15/19 9:23 AM, Arthur Chance wrote: > > > > > On 15/02/2019 15:18, Valeri Galtsev wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Experts, > > > > I am looking for "Smartness-free" web browser. In the past I > > > > was using > > > > midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" > > > > introduced > > > > into latest midori. > > > > Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The > > > > last I loved > > > > for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, > > > > especially in > > > > case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to > > > > screw up > > > > when using GUI. > > > > In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL > > > > certificates, > > > > midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web > > > > interfaces > > > > locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... > > > > I can > > > > disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't > > > > accept > > > > certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect > > > > that that I > > > > can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software > > > > thinking it is > > > > smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. > > > > Any suggestions, anybody? > > > > > > Depending on how much graphic decoration the GUI uses, maybe a > > > text > > > based browser like lynx might serve your needs? > > > > Thanks for suggestion! > > > > Alas, 3ware uses frames which lunx doesn't support... > > I did not understand very well your requirements (my fault: I think I > lack experience > in what you are doing), but I can suggest two web browsers that are > pretty basic. > > I usa falkon, which is the new version of qupzilla. I choosed > Qupzilla/Falkon for its > simplicity: it always does what I ask without fancy useless things, > and if something > gets in my way, I can usually disable it. However it is based on qt5, > thus it might > be too complex for your needs. > > In that case, I am pretty sure dillo makes your deal: it's awful, > unusable for any modern > website (at least, this is my opinion). But it might be perfect for > you, I think it can deal > with your web interfaces. > > Lorenzo Salvadore. Off all the smartness-free browsers, that handle modern websites well, there are only two I can recommend. The already mentioned Qupzilla/Falkon and the Otter-browser. Both are Webkit and QT based. Otter-browser is an attempt to create something similar to the older Opera browser, but without the mail thing. It let's you open SSL webpages with outdated certificates and plain HTTP as well. I have used both browsers for a a long time, and they are very good. Otter-browser seems to be made for you, since "Controlled by the user, not vice versa" is what the project says about it 😉 Kind Regards Matthias > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" -- Med vennlig hilsen Matthias Oestreicher From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 21:10:10 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3F6B14E9778 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:10:10 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from mail.inka.de (quechua.inka.de [IPv6:2a04:c9c7:0:1073:217:a4ff:fe3b:e77c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ABD708599C for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:10:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from news@mips.inka.de) Received: from localhost by mail.inka.de with local-rmail id 1gukkI-00060W-N7; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:10:06 +0100 Received: from lorvorc.mips.inka.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id x1FL5pvX058438 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:05:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news@lorvorc.mips.inka.de) Received: (from news@localhost) by lorvorc.mips.inka.de (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x1FL5pn2058437 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:05:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from news) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: Christian Weisgerber Newsgroups: list.freebsd.questions Subject: Re: any way asm people could contribute? Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:05:51 -0000 (UTC) Message-ID: References: <201902101556.x1AFu1JO027552@sdf.org> User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (FreeBSD) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: ABD708599C X-Spamd-Bar: ++++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [6.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.88)[ip: (2.31), ipnet: 2a04:c9c7::/32(1.15), asn: 202113(0.92), country: DE(-0.01)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.992,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mail.inka.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[1.000,0]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[inka.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[1.000,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:202113, ipnet:2a04:c9c7::/32, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[naddy@mips.inka.de,news@mips.inka.de]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[] X-Spam: Yes X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:10:10 -0000 On 2019-02-14, Lorenzo Salvadore via freebsd-questions wrote: > I made my idea that Assembly is often used for drivers from a bit of experience > and documents such as this one: Certainly not from looking at FreeBSD's drivers. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 15 21:26:03 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D1F714E9E53 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:26:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18AF0861D1 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 21:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.157.173]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MDQRy-1gkGmL01H4-00AYi9; Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:20:35 +0100 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2019 22:20:33 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List Subject: Re: "Smartness-free" web browser? 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In the past I was using > midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by "smartness" introduced > into latest midori. > > Why. I have a bunch of machines with older 3ware RAIDs. The last I loved > for having web interface. To the contrary to command line, especially in > case of hardware RAID management, it is much more difficult to screw up > when using GUI. > > In the past, when firefox went all the way about SSL certificates, > midori was my life preserver. I do access these RAID web interfaces > locally, and I do know what's going on inside these machines... I can > disable SSL in 3ware RAID daemon (this time it just doesn't accept > certificates 3ware daemon presents - to way for me to affect that that I > can find) but... I just don't like some piece of software thinking it is > smarter than I am when I use it. Dough. > > Any suggestions, anybody? Depends of "how un-smart" it has to be... ;-) You should first examine which features you cannot live without, such as: - supports frames - supports Javascript - supports Java applets - supports HTML5 - supports images - supports secure connections - supports specific extensions and non-standards - supports "Flash" Those requirements are defined by how the programs, daemons, or devices you with to interact with present their controls to the user. The strangest and most stupid combinations of "features" are possible. There are lots of web browsers available with varying degrees of complexity, dependencies, and "get-in-your-ways". My personal preference is Opera, but that probably won't help you. I have invested some time to make Opera work the way _I_ wish it to work, which is quite opposite to what the developers decided on making the default behaviour. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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In the past I was > >>>> using midori, but today I was bitten in my backside by > >>>> "smartness" introduced into latest midori. > >>>> > I am not an expert but I am using Firefox with many changes in "about:config" and the site https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2018/09/firefox-hardening-guide/ help me a lot. I have installed and using it too www/netsurf -- by ajtiM ---------------------- FreeBSD 12.0-Release From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 10:06:05 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 285F214DE116 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:06:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Received: from mx3.wp.pl (mx3.wp.pl [212.77.101.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C953983CD6 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:06:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 3822 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2019 10:39:21 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wp.pl; s=1024a; t=1550309961; bh=Xj3Cj3WdxokRLBRODGtvu/tHwv//3brDrqkN3b1KUxw=; h=From:To:Subject; b=h4kYUUlG2gMWUJin7mnVfxn19tweXrb/h/1vI20i92m1d5EXCcKUE8iNpLLedDZ0p G/PxpZp2MkmM5nrNA3WoYIpTL/niMLLSf1JnmR67N3Ww7K532iXwBoaI+rOX1O32T4 6Gq5EM+tHcp4NCppnI2sK5wuoEB7JYhLwR4IgOnQ= Received: from 79.184.91.14.ipv4.supernova.orange.pl (HELO [192.168.1.24]) (ipluta@wp.pl@[79.184.91.14]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted SMTP for ; 16 Feb 2019 10:39:21 +0100 From: Ireneusz Pluta To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Sector size change with camcontrol Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:39:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl X-WP-MailID: d34ecad6aae284ec9fed8a1dfb1de23b X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty Wirtualnej Polski X-WP-SPAM: NO 000000A [scMU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: C953983CD6 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=wp.pl header.s=1024a header.b=h4kYUUlG; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ipluta@wp.pl designates 212.77.101.10 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ipluta@wp.pl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.01 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.77.96.0/19]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[wp.pl]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[wp.pl:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[mx.wp.pl,mx5.wp.pl]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.74)[-0.743,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[wp.pl]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12827, ipnet:212.77.101.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[wp.pl.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[wp.pl:s=1024a]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[wp.pl]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; IP_SCORE(-0.75)[ipnet: 212.77.101.0/24(-2.11), asn: 12827(-1.69), country: PL(0.03)]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[10.101.77.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:06:05 -0000 Hello, In my new SEAGATE ST900MP0146 drives I want to change sector size from factory default 512E to 4kN. The drive manual (i.e. https://www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/enterprise-performance-savvio-fam/enterprise-performance-15k-hdd/ent-perf-15k-6/en-us/docs/100827313b.pdf) says how to do it: Mode Select - Parameter list header • Set Write buffer: // Set Block Descriptor Length = 0x08, Number of LBA's = 0xFFFFFFFF • 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 FF FF FF FF 00 00 02 00 // Set block size to 0512 (0x0200) • 10 00 // Set block size to 4096 (0x1000) • Then Send Mode Select Command • cdb: 55 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 // (SP bit = 1, Parameter list = 0x10) Format Unit - Parameter list header • Set Write buffer: // Set IMMED = 1 • 00 02 00 00 • Then Send Format Unit Command • cdb: 04 14 00 00 01 00 // (FMTDAT = 1, DEFECT LIST FORMAT = 010b, FFMT = 01b) Does the above convert to the following two camcontrol cmds? $ camcontrol cmd /dev/da0 -v \      -c '55 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00' \      -o 16 '00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 FF FF FF FF 00 00 10 00' $ camcontrol cmd /dev/da0 -v \      -c '04 14 00 00 01 00' \      -o 4 '00 02 00 00' Thanks, Irek. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 17:15:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B93814EECA9 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:15:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from ms-10.1blu.de (ms-10.1blu.de [178.254.4.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 390FA92E37 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:15:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: from [88.217.99.191] (helo=localhost.unixarea.de) by ms-10.1blu.de with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gv3Yn-0000jA-4C for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:15:29 +0100 Received: from localhost.my.domain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.unixarea.de (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPS id x1GHFRIZ014929 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:15:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) Received: (from guru@localhost) by localhost.my.domain (8.15.2/8.14.9/Submit) id x1GHFR8t014928 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:15:27 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from guru@unixarea.de) X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.my.domain: guru set sender to guru@unixarea.de using -f Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:15:26 +0100 From: Matthias Apitz To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: ktouch && libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied Message-ID: <20190216171526.GA14895@c720-r342378> Reply-To: Matthias Apitz Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT r342378 (amd64) X-message-flag: Mails containing HTML will not be read! 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It fails to start with: $ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose export LIBGL_DEBUG $ ktouch libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied libGL error: failed to load driver: i965 libGL: OpenDriver: trying /usr/local/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so libGL: Can't open configuration file /home/guru/.drirc: No such file or directory. libGL: Can't open configuration file /home/guru/.drirc: No such file or directory. qCoreApp Application(0x7fffffffe4a0) qrc:/qml/main.qml:129:5: Type HomeScreen unavailable qrc:/qml/homescreen/HomeScreen.qml:162:26: Type ProfileSelector unavailable qrc:/qml/homescreen/ProfileSelector.qml:92:13: Type ProfileDetailsItem unavailable qrc:/qml/homescreen/ProfileDetailsItem.qml:23:1: module "org.kde.charts" is not installed $ ls -l /usr/local/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so -rwxr-xr-x 6 root wheel 11095552 24 dic. 20:19 /usr/local/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so Any ideas? matthias -- Matthias Apitz, ✉ guru@unixarea.de, http://www.unixarea.de/ +49-176-38902045 Public GnuPG key: http://www.unixarea.de/key.pub October, 7 -- The GDR was different: Peace instead of Bundeswehr and wars, Druschba instead of Nazis, to live instead of to survive. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 17:26:52 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7C5A14EF046 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD184933EE for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:26:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.157.173]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Md6dH-1hVDQw2g3n-00aE6I; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:26:41 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:26:41 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Matthias Apitz Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: ktouch && libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied Message-Id: <20190216182641.8331abf4.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190216171526.GA14895@c720-r342378> References: <20190216171526.GA14895@c720-r342378> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WVBZRsMCG/ZAhcyCnn4WTCZDpXDh87JM3tJw2WoYSdBakvvkn/A yC8e7heYjms5ExsRr9Mj3eoxnBQWlCvqrUVZBeguCY0J52EQh1Prcv4CLl7/FgCkSd1m6qW C1IIsm0nVPUBfZJjGVefYnXeiUS63GB6plx/UtQfNuCraC8qVYlXozBpdYL3peC5gyKntSN 9vOq7CYxjjNhIF7kgsXCg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:KAhg72E+cjk=:7ts4GFyR4H8nWRRnit3uby ZPbbpbBPSg2h/rI81fVmFFzz3470VOXJwt/p0bJ//ylO4rkVUIPt17xcjyUdCcH8hDGVEluQ+ UR3dEEYYbHxHVip+6KX6UGsIJJDOuyL1vbSHjSqY0qYJPmQumYGMIXtYBBBPMzrQHpke93Mf7 te0knk5PXoGnKYxui05ewy4SZDSNfbmn3LxVkIsxZxeQC9LybeOpebCq5PLD4XS9jnPV4eJvH Kc19K6EeZHW5p/Pprmz30XFt3ERpGJ1TfOefQ0A6Hpmb/WxTWpT4BtRo4mg3ItE4b1HD3ro74 Oj7BKiZezNfkUpc9E+/T32fBzOhqJg65AW0ws1CyZ5UA1R7crBzHof4ZbLkiOfqvB8kBnxdjj Z/2nrkt8w6MVYA5TjHxepfRzXy0lJhTWgikW/BRBk1PnCW1hYIUp01GwyOo7EBJCCcPpNITxl 16Gw2sHuVLYYk9quCYXHBY6dXaRq3f7LbGpN7R8yC/cHFMUIqoZqFc+7QHYAfC0M+8M1hrTYM 0m2bpUQSVQc8BpJDNLyZ4E5KZPLkaP5VITDfHqN8QsrFY1lTCdf0QGd2dW6DVVNyq97AIO062 OQdnd+4vkP584Wu0bBWvBn8tZ5eXTjEbePb4r1YiyxNvNiSYnmtR4VbNzp2geHWdsOltv/yTh cJlH3lAEuxBGcNlYO6aAztDzriFdiLB/AHASg1aYzr50W4RjdHN58ouGQquYyCVwvwQji/tfu L9OZipYA5HHmcjuMf6RGVxuHMi0sDHQLRuqJrvaICTvmWGtxbUiiLzLGON8= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: AD184933EE X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.78 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.157.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.970,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.998,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[134.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.42)[ip: (1.02), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.82), asn: 8560(1.92), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:26:52 -0000 On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:15:26 +0100, Matthias Apitz wrote: > > I'm trying to get 'ktouch' running in: > > $ uname -a > FreeBSD c720-r342378 13.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 13.0-CURRENT GENERIC amd64 > > and recent ports, all from SVN. It fails to start with: > > $ LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose export LIBGL_DEBUG > $ ktouch > libGL error: failed to open drm device: Permission denied > libGL error: failed to load driver: i965 This is probably the root of the following errors. Do you have drm_load="YES" in /boot/loader.conf? Does X load the appropriate driver? It doesn't seem to be the case here. Any suspicious entries in /var/log/Xorg.0.log? -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 17:43:28 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3C414EF664 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:43:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bblister@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (n6.nabble.com [162.255.23.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBF4F93D2C for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:43:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bblister@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n6.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BE57C5EA02A for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:43:20 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:43:20 -0700 (MST) From: BBlister To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1550339000372-0.post@n6.nabble.com> Subject: Cannot identify process of listening port 600/tcp6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: EBF4F93D2C X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 162.255.23.37 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bblister@gmail.com) smtp.mailfrom=bblister@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.06 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.71)[0.713,0]; IP_SCORE(0.21)[ip: (0.90), ipnet: 162.255.20.0/22(0.18), asn: 21624(0.04), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.58)[0.584,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.46)[0.459,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[37.23.255.162.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21624, ipnet:162.255.20.0/22, country:US]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:43:28 -0000 Dear, I am trying to identify what process is listening on port 600/tcp6. I have tried: # lsof -n -P | grep :600 # --nothing # sockstat -a | grep :600 ? ? ? ? tcp6 *:600 *:* # netstat -an | grep 600 tcp6 0 0 *.600 *.* LISTEN I can connect to this port, but I receive no output to my commands: # telnet ::1 600 Trying ::1... Connected to localhost. Escape character is '^]'. help ? test My uname: # uname -a FreeBSD XXX 11.2-RELEASE-p8 FreeBSD 11.2-RELEASE-p8 #0: Tue Jan 8 21:35:12 UTC 2019 root@amd64-builder.daemonology.net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC amd64 # kldstat Id Refs Address Size Name 1 37 0xffffffff80200000 20647c8 kernel 2 1 0xffffffff82266000 2d40 coretemp.ko 3 1 0xffffffff82421000 6fc4 tmpfs.ko 4 1 0xffffffff82428000 41f0 linprocfs.ko 5 2 0xffffffff8242d000 2d28 linux_common.ko 6 1 0xffffffff82430000 195c linsysfs.ko 7 4 0xffffffff82432000 20198 ipfw.ko 8 1 0xffffffff82453000 24a0 if_tap.ko 9 1 0xffffffff82456000 107a0 dummynet.ko 10 1 0xffffffff82467000 13f0 ipdivert.ko 11 1 0xffffffff82469000 21b0 ipfw_nat.ko 12 1 0xffffffff8246c000 a4f2 libalias.ko Perhaps this is a kernel module, but which? Is this a strange rootkit? I did not reboot the machine, because I would like to locate the offending process first. This box runs nginx and rtorrent. Thanks! -- Sent from: http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/freebsd-questions-f3696945.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 17:53:49 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E39414EFA33 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:53:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass DE-2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 33B3294287 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:53:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([92.193.157.173]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue011 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1Mgebs-1hXhpd146W-00h8KT; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:53:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:53:44 +0100 From: Polytropon To: BBlister Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Cannot identify process of listening port 600/tcp6 Message-Id: <20190216185344.95cb4ec3.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <1550339000372-0.post@n6.nabble.com> References: <1550339000372-0.post@n6.nabble.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3wb8dyE9gd/IaxYEWSPdv68ftUxWrtUw3py1AJi9BOiXPetWxmy y2Sn6sqeDiII7cswZAnDidPMAnX9+vxds70XNFZq0/lfOiBO5ERhBQixzrtVya+Ly0VEte9 3STKEzOb1bayUICSJdbcxcvuj1ur4lkoYe7zGCdCgCXsEozRrz4/bhtU6+EV8Na8LPfJOD0 fv3xuuqDUn4SlcK0078kg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Kl8RRn7IJVY=:sKz1l0kIhN5QCbwu5Sf12s QRvzELrlPWx29FUB9T3Zd5Mc0hlpUgYvys1FD9/dxmbqNwv3LYOt6jKb76u+tEOI6Ugw9YCy2 GuE9VLy30fV9bwn+L12KM6MwOG7I3pqyaPMSh3Fm7B8GL7axpA00RxrBQNyGoUyT9fuLX3qjk 0CSJEESNzHiCPnQ8hxlblWTEz5JeRuBfYLPuoiWnYnVA+ZfGuxt8KogqvJG8luC7nHqeAH047 jn/3TuOnaJifgQ1jB12LmpWI3ryh0wGqL8On7azNkxOWRzdlcpICEjXxD3YV6HHyx+nNc7rLC EyQSJalARL/rb7C7eQIB+mLIhIPvD2LP0wDMewqN51fa6T4UeXQm9TzmfUfFx6P3OF1XzZ+5j 3t7dHzGvRAwf7M4C/KmxhbYvjKVvXn+sYCROCLFXJAbMNKH78iu77K/y/qmnH3E93QRGNz1iy 5BRbbtKNecpQDexMbP9qOR3dq5m3qx1at/QEM369yowbxNQ5TwjfI8JznQziazytT/o9KBIaS kYDPizxOzvmhQYRb0mEYlxkotAFgN7CRA4B8RMpLHXIqc7O/eH4w/RO0z+BH7Suq658ijbly1 5B5bwfWfMRF7eZMdNCh8V5IgnncG2a0SeoZfC+sDuCL39dS1DbiL5NVZoeTOhGKPgTMdUZAXj gGqZ3GY/9983AGeJmTTBZxh6DZaQZShhJEo1oKf8Dj0eyrdyITGnDxAX8PQXJfQm0FPUJLlIn V0YlTrp8xUmRfngIxi1b1FqsQ+GXU3pN19HSpZCJgfeWKEH0QF3iOQTXXA4= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 33B3294287 X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.90 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx00.schlund.de]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.157.193.92.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.10]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.979,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.999,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(1.00)[0.999,0]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[187.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[187.126.227.212.rep.mailspike.net : 127.0.0.17]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.53)[ip: (1.56), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-0.82), asn: 8560(1.92), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:53:49 -0000 On Sat, 16 Feb 2019 10:43:20 -0700 (MST), BBlister wrote: > I am trying to identify what process is listening on port 600/tcp6. Judging from /etc/services, this could be an IPC (inter-process communication) server, and IPC usually is a matter of the kernel... -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 17:57:39 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFE5614EFE44 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:57:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) Received: from mailrelay1-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (mailrelay1-1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com [46.30.210.182]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D8CF94597 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:57:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthias@smormegpa.no) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=smormegpa.no; s=20140924; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:content-type:references:in-reply-to: date:to:from:subject:message-id:from; bh=mU4kHShnX7UpSg37AUMBkHUKE8bhd4NSqRc9ROWsuPA=; b=Vu/9g5WgYzGCYku7a23Y4o5vwwgfeAQej4Dop0rHqxw3CVZapQ7of/eHRrK8NXCygAuZDtvf7myHP hlgVS6PuK9a2qfDxZ6k/U9IFCFDohic7Di4tG5po3uVEZULsMTcexaMzhXedP8lj3BZgU2kR5w9/gx +At+Op4SepDHdmmQ= X-HalOne-Cookie: 2a76253dfaf15cbd29fff78c7e65c03974f49b69 X-HalOne-ID: 146570a2-3212-11e9-94f2-d0431ea8a283 Received: from picadelly.monsieur.mathieu (unknown [85.165.244.175]) by mailrelay1.pub.mailoutpod1-cph3.one.com (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 146570a2-3212-11e9-94f2-d0431ea8a283; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:41:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <53922cb7f04e5399ee5f71dab24d9ee0c1536a10.camel@smormegpa.no> Subject: Re: Sector size change with camcontrol From: Matthias Oestreicher To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:41:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.5 FreeBSD GNOME Team Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4D8CF94597 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=smormegpa.no header.s=20140924 header.b=Vu/9g5Wg X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.05 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[smormegpa.no:s=20140924]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[smormegpa.no]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.997,0]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.93)[0.930,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx1.pub.mailpod3-cph3.one.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[smormegpa.no:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[182.210.30.46.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.988,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; IP_SCORE(0.94)[ipnet: 46.30.208.0/21(2.78), asn: 51468(1.98), country: DK(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:51468, ipnet:46.30.208.0/21, country:DK]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 17:57:40 -0000 Am Samstag, den 16.02.2019, 10:39 +0100 schrieb Ireneusz Pluta: > Hello, > > In my new SEAGATE ST900MP0146 drives I want to change sector size > from factory default 512E to 4kN. > The drive manual (i.e. > https://www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/enterprise-performance-savvio-fam/enterprise-performance-15k-hdd/ent-perf-15k-6/en-us/docs/100827313b.pdf) > > says how to do it: > > Mode Select - Parameter list header > • Set Write buffer: // Set Block Descriptor Length = 0x08, Number of > LBA's = 0xFFFFFFFF > • 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 FF FF FF FF 00 00 02 00 // Set block size > to 0512 (0x0200) > • 10 00 // Set block size to 4096 (0x1000) > • Then Send Mode Select Command > • cdb: 55 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00 // (SP bit = 1, Parameter list = > 0x10) > Format Unit - Parameter list header > • Set Write buffer: // Set IMMED = 1 > • 00 02 00 00 > • Then Send Format Unit Command > • cdb: 04 14 00 00 01 00 // (FMTDAT = 1, DEFECT LIST FORMAT = 010b, > FFMT = 01b) > > Does the above convert to the following two camcontrol cmds? > > $ camcontrol cmd /dev/da0 -v \ > -c '55 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 00' \ > -o 16 '00 00 00 00 00 00 00 08 FF FF FF FF 00 00 10 00' > $ camcontrol cmd /dev/da0 -v \ > -c '04 14 00 00 01 00' \ > -o 4 '00 02 00 00' > There is no way to change a drive's physical sector size. What may be changed, is what the drive reports to be. The claim in the manual, it would really change the drive's sector size surprised me. I googled up an explanation of what's really happinging here: https://www.seagate.com/files/www-content/product-content/enterprise-performance-savvio-fam/enterprise-performance-15k-hdd/_cross-product/_shared/doc/seagate-fast-format-white-paper-04tp699-1-1701us.pdf For me it looks like, it just changes what the drives reports (512 or 4096 bytes sectors) and formats the drive with "a filesystem". That actually sounds very M$ like and will be NTFS I guess with the right sector size and alignments. Since there is talk about legacy OSes and hardware, that are not aware of, that 4K drives exist, it's just to make those drives work. In FreeBSD you just set the alignment accordingly with # gpart add -a 4096 .... and your good. In addition for ZFS. To not shoot yourself in the foot with ZFS when you use 512 and 4096 byte drives. To create a 4K pools, just set the sysctl # sysctl vfs.zfs.min_auto_ashift=12 before creating it. Then throw in a mix of drives that report to be either 512 and 4096 sector drives, as you like. Or 512 byte sector drives only, to replace them with 4K drives later. To break it down, I'd say it's just a thing to help old Windows versions (and maybe old raid controllers?) to work with those 4k drives. As from the manual, your drive is physically a 4K drive already, even if it REPORTS to have a sector size of 512 bytes. It's irrelevant what the drives reports in FreeBSD. Hope this helps. Best regards Matthias > Thanks, > Irek. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 18:28:57 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B755F14F0AD5 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:28:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bblister@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (n6.nabble.com [162.255.23.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6A0A954D2 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:28:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bblister@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n6.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01AD2C5ECF81 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:28:56 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 11:28:56 -0700 (MST) From: BBlister To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1550341736004-0.post@n6.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: <20190216185344.95cb4ec3.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <1550339000372-0.post@n6.nabble.com> <20190216185344.95cb4ec3.freebsd@edvax.de> Subject: Re: Cannot identify process of listening port 600/tcp6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D6A0A954D2 X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dmarc=fail reason="" header.from=gmail.com (policy=none); spf=softfail (mx1.freebsd.org: 162.255.23.37 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of bblister@gmail.com) smtp.mailfrom=bblister@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.25 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; R_SPF_SOFTFAIL(0.00)[~all]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.71)[0.708,0]; IP_SCORE(0.20)[ip: (0.85), ipnet: 162.255.20.0/22(0.18), asn: 21624(0.04), country: US(-0.07)]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.78)[0.782,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: alt3.gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.47)[0.469,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[37.23.255.162.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21624, ipnet:162.255.20.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[gmail.com : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:28:57 -0000 Is there any way that I can verify and locate the server? And not by removing kernel modules and watching if the open port 600 will disappear, but with a program similar to lsof for kernel services... -- Sent from: http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/freebsd-questions-f3696945.html From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 18:48:40 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A1AE14F12B9 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:48:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Received: from mx4.wp.pl (mx4.wp.pl [212.77.101.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A69595F36 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:48:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ipluta@wp.pl) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 4977 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2019 19:48:35 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wp.pl; s=1024a; t=1550342915; bh=BCaDdtN3ahvrJzLNSM047Epa8Qe8AA9rBd60zxB7dOk=; h=Subject:To:From; b=ajpX5ZRALk7fYd5KxtiRDV64iYhM3nyngXc2Sv5ld8Q5T8UV/Z51Bj298xj16uHA0 oE9Zj4m59VRr4X8xyvXjOCVO6WZnWR8uM6M3Mo3Fqw2vBKNhW68/qr/crPR5Sif3Ju cgUP0GOD5Ug6YRt/ul8skp12dO9g3maKhBC81VmY= Received: from afny252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO [10.0.0.82]) (ipluta@wp.pl@[178.42.102.252]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 encrypted SMTP for ; 16 Feb 2019 19:48:35 +0100 Subject: Re: Sector size change with camcontrol To: Matthias Oestreicher , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <53922cb7f04e5399ee5f71dab24d9ee0c1536a10.camel@smormegpa.no> From: Ireneusz Pluta Message-ID: <6a56b96e-7c4b-e108-7294-8be69e0f8ec6@wp.pl> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:48:28 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <53922cb7f04e5399ee5f71dab24d9ee0c1536a10.camel@smormegpa.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl X-WP-MailID: 45f6420c03ef83faed670ef5a35cde59 X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy Poczty Wirtualnej Polski X-WP-SPAM: NO 000000A [MQNU] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 6A69595F36 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=wp.pl header.s=1024a header.b=ajpX5ZRA; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ipluta@wp.pl designates 212.77.101.12 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ipluta@wp.pl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.26 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:212.77.96.0/19]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[wp.pl]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[wp.pl:+]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: mx.wp.pl]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.84)[-0.840,0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[wp.pl]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12827, ipnet:212.77.101.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[wp.pl.dwl.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[wp.pl:s=1024a]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[wp.pl]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[12.101.77.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; IP_SCORE(-0.91)[ipnet: 212.77.101.0/24(-2.56), asn: 12827(-2.04), country: PL(0.03)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 18:48:40 -0000 W dniu 2019-02-16 o 18:41, Matthias Oestreicher pisze: > As from the manual, your drive is physically a 4K drive already, even if it REPORTS to have a > sector size of 512 bytes. It's irrelevant what the drives reports in FreeBSD. Matthias, thank you for your extensive explanation. That's all clear. My only point in attempting to change (reported) sector size is to improve performance. Wouldn't 4k seen by the OS allow to have higher IOPS, as compared to 512? To make the view complete: the drives are going to run in a 24-bay backplane, as a zpool created as: zpool create data \     mirror /dev/label/da0 /dev/label/da1 \     mirror /dev/label/da2 /dev/label/da3 \     ...     mirror /dev/label/da20 /dev/label/da21 \     spare  /dev/label/da22 /dev/label/da23 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 19:02:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C47F814F1890 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:02:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ireneusz.pluta@cmr.com.pl) Received: from cloudserver112575.home.pl (cloudserver112575.home.pl [188.128.135.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8A948967F3 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:02:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ireneusz.pluta@cmr.com.pl) Received: from afny252.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (178.42.102.252) (HELO [10.0.0.82]) by cmr.home.pl (188.128.135.53) with SMTP (IdeaSmtpServer 0.83.183) id d277de1baa9c4cf5; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:56:03 +0100 Subject: Re: Sector size change with camcontrol To: Matthias Oestreicher , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <53922cb7f04e5399ee5f71dab24d9ee0c1536a10.camel@smormegpa.no> <6a56b96e-7c4b-e108-7294-8be69e0f8ec6@wp.pl> From: Ireneusz Pluta Message-ID: Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:55:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6a56b96e-7c4b-e108-7294-8be69e0f8ec6@wp.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: pl X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 8A948967F3 X-Spamd-Bar: ++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [4.21 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.94)[0.935,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cmr.com.pl]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(1.00)[0.998,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cmr.com.pl]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.98)[0.984,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[252.102.42.178.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:12824, ipnet:188.128.128.0/17, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(0.41)[asn: 12824(2.01), country: PL(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:02:48 -0000 W dniu 2019-02-16 o 19:48, Ireneusz Pluta pisze: > zpool create data \ >     mirror /dev/label/da0 /dev/label/da1 \ >     mirror /dev/label/da2 /dev/label/da3 \ >     ... >     mirror /dev/label/da20 /dev/label/da21 \ >     spare  /dev/label/da22 /dev/label/da23 ... I meant /dev/da0, /dev/da1, etc. (yes, labels will be used, as they already are in another similar system, from which I copy-pasted head of its zpool history for the purpose of editing the above example :-) ) From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 19:10:31 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6431A14F1C1E for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:10:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj@bsdops.com) Received: from mail01.hoost.pl (mail01.hoost.pl [IPv6:2001:41d0:601:2000::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E9AF96B52 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:10:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mj@bsdops.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail01.hoost.pl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A4DC7DF1F; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:10:27 +0100 (CET) Authentication-Results: mail01.hoost.pl (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) reason="pass (just generated, assumed good)" header.d=bsdops.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bsdops.com; h= references:message-id:content-transfer-encoding:date:date :in-reply-to:x-mailer:from:from:subject:subject:mime-version :content-type:content-type; s=default; t=1550344227; x= 1552158628; bh=CGhz9ntW+UThaHA3Wbwu7Ldrp+l7tq8Rnk1MmVR9XEs=; b=o GzCK1U01AKZhNOKrWQYDUM/vzENllUqCjDftp9jzWfZzvm7e8Zx37OPdJMVVtw2J LS0mriPpyRqO/DmBKVMwTMUJippxdoJSErBScNaefqlxPGFYrXIEzqvjlGM6NA2B rSBnMy7kB8PUQ362kPeVE8QcfQ/yiHdJaJfuGa26Uj0spat2dBdWG1a5BxWHrGni xmndeTqBbhSsedtLq4XNhYEd8yigc58AcrjrmXAXxs9jX/ZOd0+BjIvvQuUC6C9r szUBmPRHYCclctx7Hu0RVyheA5/zoTE1DsLzqwvHgl38njsBTBqvfRn2xicrbTHL +9ybmY6EELlQmEQvK50tw== X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at Received: from mail01.hoost.pl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail01.hoost.pl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 5wijpVFJRnKd; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:10:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.8.0.10] (vpn.bsdops.com [145.239.93.100]) (Authenticated sender: mj@bsdops.com) by mail01.hoost.pl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 147537DAE5; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:10:27 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Cannot identify process of listening port 600/tcp6 From: =?utf-8?Q?Micha=C5=82?= X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16C101) In-Reply-To: <1550341736004-0.post@n6.nabble.com> Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 20:10:26 +0100 Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1550339000372-0.post@n6.nabble.com> <20190216185344.95cb4ec3.freebsd@edvax.de> <1550341736004-0.post@n6.nabble.com> To: BBlister X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:10:31 -0000 Hi sockstat ? MJ > On 16 Feb 2019, at 19:28, BBlister wrote: >=20 >=20 > Is there any way that I can verify and locate the server? And not by > removing kernel modules and watching if the open port 600 will disappear, > but with a program similar to lsof for kernel services... >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Sent from: http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/freebsd-questions-f3696945= .html > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.or= g" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 16 19:37:19 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85EC714F2794 for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bblister@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (n6.nabble.com [162.255.23.37]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2574197B2F for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:37:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bblister@gmail.com) Received: from n6.nabble.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by n6.nabble.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1599C5F106B for ; Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:37:17 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 12:37:17 -0700 (MST) From: BBlister To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1550345837921-0.post@n6.nabble.com> In-Reply-To: References: <1550339000372-0.post@n6.nabble.com> <20190216185344.95cb4ec3.freebsd@edvax.de> <1550341736004-0.post@n6.nabble.com> Subject: Re: Cannot identify process of listening port 600/tcp6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2574197B2F X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.972,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 19:37:19 -0000 I have already tried sockstat (as well as lsof) as I have displayed it in my original message..... -- Sent from: http://freebsd.1045724.x6.nabble.com/freebsd-questions-f3696945.html