From owner-freebsd-advocacy Mon Jan 27 16:13:14 2003 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C250637B401 for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:13:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net (puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.139]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3176243F3F for ; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:13:07 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0350.cvx22-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.199.95] helo=mindspring.com) by puffin.mail.pas.earthlink.net with asmtp (SSLv3:RC4-MD5:128) (Exim 3.33 #1) id 18dJMn-0005Rl-00; Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:12:42 -0800 Message-ID: <3E35CA7C.E8618837@mindspring.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 16:10:36 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Lucas Cc: Khairil Yusof , Konrad Heuer , Alexandr Kovalenko , freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: FreeBSD 5.0 PR is not very good... References: <20030125062732.GA92204@nevermind.kiev.ua> <20030127094536.S1236-100000@gwdu60.gwdg.de> <20030127074231.A93869@blackhelicopters.org> <1043677253.13591.151.camel@daemon.home.net> <20030127092256.A95022@blackhelicopters.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-ELNK-Trace: b1a02af9316fbb217a47c185c03b154d40683398e744b8a43b9624ab45c5ecf6e07f7b3a3c214fa7a7ce0e8f8d31aa3f350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Michael Lucas wrote: > It might be. You may have to configure your workstation's sendmail(8) > to relay through your ISP's mail exchanger. This doesn't work for "pan-ISPs". My ISP was Primenet, which got bought by Global Crossing, when they were flush with cash from the idea that someone else would build "the last mile", and everyone would need big pipes. When this idea was proven stupid by no one building "the last mile", then they sold all their dialup customers to EarthLink, to get another round of funding. Then they promptly went bankrupt. EarthLink is a "pan-ISP". Basically, they buy up tons of other ISPs, and integrate dialup customers ("Congradulations! You've won a '2' on the end of your login name!"). They make them direct their email through SMTP relay servers, which relay by IP address, rather than some other method. And they are not too particular about using their "major" domain names as a second index dimension on account namespace. So now I am an EarthLink customer with a Mindspring address. So I relay my outbound email from my "Mindspring" address through an "EarthLink" SMTP relay server. And the PR email is rejected, because some moron decided that the email address domain name has to match the relay server domain name. A noticible reduction in PR's... not because of increased code quality, but because of decreased ability to send PR's. And of course, it's only going to get worse, as the competing ISP's whittle the market down to "The Big Three", and we end up with only a small number of real pan-ISP's controlling the dialup market. -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message