From owner-freebsd-net@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 2 07:28:37 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EFAA16A51D; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:28:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from vhost109.his.com (vhost109.his.com [216.194.225.101]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D78EF43D1D; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:28:35 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Received: from [10.0.1.3] (localhost.his.com [127.0.0.1]) by vhost109.his.com (8.12.6p3/8.12.3) with ESMTP id i22FSNxg006439; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 10:28:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from brad.knowles@skynet.be) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: bs663385@127.0.0.1 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <4044A138.F444D224@freebsd.org> References: <4043B6BA.B847F081@freebsd.org> <200403011507.52238.wes@softweyr.com> <20040302031625.GA4061@scylla.towardex.com> <20040302042957.GH3841@saboteur.dek.spc.org> <20040302082625.GE22985@cell.sick.ru> <4044A138.F444D224@freebsd.org> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:28:20 +0100 To: Andre Oppermann From: Brad Knowles Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" cc: Brad Knowles cc: freebsd-net@freebsd.org Subject: Re: My planned work on networking stack X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 15:28:37 -0000 At 3:59 PM +0100 2004/03/02, Andre Oppermann wrote: > Zebra is definatly *not* a piece of s*** as you make it sound here. Well, that was certainly the impression I got from Henning Brauer at FOSDEM. Maybe I misunderstood him, or maybe he has different views on this software than you do. To properly clarify this matter, you should probably talk to him directly and find out if his opinions on zebra/quagga really are as different from yours, and if so then I'll be glad to make a public apology. However, until then, I will stand by what I remember of his talk, and neither you nor anyone else is going to make me change my mind, certainly not by beating your chest. > You need GigE, T1/E1, E3/T3 and STM-1 these days. Everything else is dead. From what I understand from Henning, he's going to be dumping E-1/T-1, E3-T3, and probably also STM-1, because you can't get those kinds of interfaces for regular PC-type boxes. I'm not sure I agree with him 100%, but I can certainly understand why he'd want to simplify his life. > Ok, again Zebra/Quagga is not "crap". The same with DJBware which is > no "crap" either. If you don't like it just say so but refrain from > dirt-talking it. It doesn't make your point any stronger. Beating your chest louder is not likely to make me believe that you're right. If you want to get off onto a "Church of Dan" rant, I can certainly do that, and I can point out a whole ark-load of flaws -- most of which are simple basic facts which Dan himself admits to, but when he says them they're "facts" and when I say them they're "libel" or "slander". Yeah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiight. > The bgpd from OpenBSD will surely make it's way into FreeBSD [*]. The > main developer besides Henning sits about 5 meters away from me in > my office. If you look at it then you'll find out that I'm not really > innocent that bgpd ;-) I'm glad to hear that. > [*] In FreeBSD it will be a port. I don't know why a bgpd should be > in the base system. I don't know. Why should we have any routing software at all in the base system? > It would be nice if you could calm down, stop your mis-informed > accusations and rants and actually try to be helpful and progressive > to the projects which try to do it better. Thank you very much. Show me the words from Henning himself where I have mis-represented his views on zebra/quagga, and I will gladly apologize in public. Until then, I stand by what I have said. -- Brad Knowles, "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania. GCS/IT d+(-) s:+(++)>: a C++(+++)$ UMBSHI++++$ P+>++ L+ !E-(---) W+++(--) N+ !w--- O- M++ V PS++(+++) PE- Y+(++) PGP>+++ t+(+++) 5++(+++) X++(+++) R+(+++) tv+(+++) b+(++++) DI+(++++) D+(++) G+(++++) e++>++++ h--- r---(+++)* z(+++)