From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Feb 15 23:48:30 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7594316A4D2; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:48:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from phoenix.gargantuan.com (phoenix.gargantuan.com [24.73.171.238]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE91B43D2D; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:48:29 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from michael@gargantuan.com) Received: from localhost (localhost.gargantuan.com [127.0.0.1]) by spamassassin-injector (Postfix) with SMTP id C171451E; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:48:28 -0500 (EST) Received: by phoenix.gargantuan.com (Postfix, from userid 1001) id 07C802B9; Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:48:10 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:48:09 -0500 From: "Michael W. Oliver" To: Ted Mittelstaedt Message-ID: <20050215234809.GC16359@gargantuan.com> Mail-Followup-To: Ted Mittelstaedt , bsdnooby , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org References: <4211A593.5010509@optonline.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-WWW-URL: http://michael.gargantuan.com X-GPG-PGP-Public-Key: http://michael.gargantuan.com/gnupg/pubkey.asc X-GPG-PGP-Fingerprint: 2694 0179 AE3F BFAE 0916 0BF5 B16B FBAB C5FA A3C9 X-Home-Phone: +1-863-816-8091 X-Mobile-Phone: +1-863-738-2334 X-Mailing-Address0: 8008 Apache Lane X-Mailing-Address1: Lakeland, FL X-Mailing-Address2: 33810-2172 X-Mailing-Address3: United States of America X-Guide-Questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html X-Guide-Netiquette: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.7i X-Spam-DCC: Misty: phoenix.gargantuan.com 1170; Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.2 (2004-11-16) on phoenix.gargantuan.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-112.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00, USER_IN_WHITELIST autolearn=ham version=3.0.2 X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. cc: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org cc: bsdnooby cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: All your laptops are belong to Windows. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:48:30 -0000 --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2005-02-15T01:06:58-0800, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: [ridiculous attribution from Outlook snipped] > > The computer is a HP Pavilion zv5445us, with 512MB RAM, P4-3Ghz, 100GB > > HD, 15.4" Hi-Def Screen, 54G 802.11b WLAN. I purchased it > > from Best Buy. > Best Buy is fairly good at taking exchanges within 30 days. Their > written policy kind of threatens a restocking charge of 15% on opened > notebook computers - but the exception is if the item is defective. > In your case you have a grey area, but if you were to take it back and > tell them that the system is periodically shutting itself down and you > want to exchange it for a different model because you don't have any > confidence in the zv5445us, they wouldn't be able to verify this and > you could probably talk your way out of the restock charge, > PARTICULARLY if you bought the item on a credit card - since credit > card issuers generally take a dim view of restock fees on consumer > items. I have had a family member do this exact thing with a laptop > he bought from there a few years ago. (it wasn't a FreeBSD thing, the > laptop was just not very well made and he ended up buying a more > expensive laptop from them) This is also particularly if you bring > back ALL OF the original packing materials AND THE SOFTWARE > particularly if it's unopened, and repack the laptop in it's box. > Remember that Best Buy has to send the thing back to HP and if it > breaks in transit and it wasn't in the factory cardboard, HP is going > to charge Best Buy for the loss. If you return it to Best Buy and decide to pick up another laptop, bring a FreeSBIE disc with you, and maybe a Frenzy disc, to test the laptop before you buy it. I have done this a couple of times, and only once did someone even ask me what I was doing, and when I started to explain, their eyes glazed over and I just went back to testing. I ended up buying a Sager 4750V from discountlaptops.com and have been very happy, except for the first few days. The firewire controller has issues on this laptop, and 5.3-RELEASE puked when probing the fwohci. I used a Frenzy disc, which does NOT have firewire support in the kernel, and was able to boot it fine, whereas FreeSBIE (and any GENERIC FreeBSD) had firewire compiled into the install media kernel, causing me much heartache. If you are interested in more detail, check out... http://michael.gargantuan.com/sager_4750v/ HTH, have a good day. (I am not affiliated with discountlaptops.com, other than being a satisfied customer) --=20 Mike Oliver [see complete headers for contact information] --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFCEoo5sWv7q8X6o8kRAoHxAJ9A/0LDa3TSyAiUV2Euhg5P7cB1DgCbBci5 XiNaUpHRQV/c0pBDXWON7Tg= =8itR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU--