From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jan 5 21:42:41 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C186916A4CE for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:42:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sage.thought.org (dsl231-043-140.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.231.43.140]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F8843D3F for ; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 21:42:41 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from thought.org (tao [10.0.0.247]) by sage.thought.org (8.13.1/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j05LgdrI047328; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:42:40 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: from tao.thought.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j05LgcLH013867; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:42:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline@tao.thought.org) Received: (from kline@localhost) by tao.thought.org (8.12.11/8.12.11/Submit) id j05Lga7Q013866; Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:42:36 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from kline) Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 13:42:36 -0800 From: Gary Kline To: Tom Vilot Message-ID: <20050105214236.GA13785@thought.org> References: <41DC476F.8030908@vilot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <41DC476F.8030908@vilot.com> X-Organization: Thought Unlimited. Public service Unix since 1986. X-Of_Interest: Observing 18 years of service to the Unix community User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i cc: questions@freebsd.org cc: Paul_Krill@infoworld.com cc: Ted Mittelstaedt Subject: Re: Sun revokes FreeBSD license for Java X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2005 21:42:41 -0000 On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 01:00:47PM -0700, Tom Vilot wrote: > Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > > >Tom, > > > > Have you tried any of the alternative implementations of Java? > >Sun's isn't the only one out there. > > > > I have. > > I'm sorry, I am mostly venting my frustration with Java as a language, > Sun as a company, and J2EE as a hugely bloated and over-architected > solution in dire need of a problem. > (Yup!) --I've been wanting to ask about kaffee [ if this is a Java clone ], and any other. C was the first quantum leap, OS- and application-wise. We have many alternatives to the Dennis Ritchie orginal, so it would seem possible to follow another course for things-java. Hopefully. So, without hijacking this thread *too* far, what other Open src projects will run "Java"-applets and so on?? gary PS: This might work well in the article... . -- Gary Kline kline@thought.org www.thought.org Public service Unix