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To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> <099fbe6f-249c-f24a-63b7-ba30eeeb0ace@gmail.com> From: Noel Message-ID: <6d353e5e-c433-e093-ee5b-d431df201b79@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 19:59:12 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <099fbe6f-249c-f24a-63b7-ba30eeeb0ace@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYC501ZgVz3GP4 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=WTR2Y+Gf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of noeldude@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=noeldude@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 01:59:16 -0000 On 2/6/2021 3:22 PM, Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On 2/6/21 10:51 AM, Matthias Apitz wrote: > >> Please move this gaggle elsewhere. All this has less than zero to do with >> FreeBSD. Thanks > I think it was reasonable for me to ask, because I thought gmail was > blacklisted. I wanted to be sure that any provider I used was not > blacklisted. > > But it turned out that the problem was that I included the period in my > username on gmail. That seems to confuse the FreeBSD mail server. So > if you want to use gmail with FreeBSD, don't put periods in your gmail > user name. > _______________________________________________ Note that gmail suppresses duplicate messages, so you won't receive your own posts to the mail list. Even though you don't see it, be assured all of us do. Gmail works fine with this mail list. So we got this message from you twice so far. No need to sent it again.   -- Noel Jones From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 04:34:29 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 623255472FD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 04:34:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdlists.admin@protonmail.com) Received: from mail4.protonmail.ch (mail4.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.27]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYGX41GgJz3Q4f for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 04:34:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsdlists.admin@protonmail.com) Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:34:10 +0000 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org From: JB Reply-To: JB Subject: Re: freebsd-questions Digest, Vol 869, Issue 6 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYGX41GgJz3Q4f X-Spamd-Bar: -- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.11 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsdlists.admin@protonmail.com]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.27:from]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[protonmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[protonmail.com,quarantine]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[185.70.40.27:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[protonmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.27:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[protonmail.com:s=protonmail]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; FREEMAIL_REPLYTO(0.00)[protonmail.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[185.70.40.27:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.99)[0.994]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 04:34:29 -0000 =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original Me= ssage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Saturday, February 6th, 2021 at 2:19 AM, wrote: > Message: 4 > > Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 01:46:37 +0000 > > From: "Montgomery-Smith, Stephen" stephen@missouri.edu > > To: FreeBSD Mailing List freebsd-questions@freebsd.org > > Subject: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? > > Message-ID: > > PH0PR01MB6523127AB2337C5F2DA87EADD4B19@PH0PR01MB6523.prod.exchangelabs.co= m > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=3D"iso-8859-1" > > My employer is making me use outlook. So I would like to use a different = email host company for my FreeBSD mailing lists. I tried gmail, but it seem= s that gmail is blacklisted with FreeBSD.org. Anyone got other suggestions? > > Thanks, Stephen > The real question (after seeing some of the replies to your query) is why *= anyone* is still using Google's services, unless they "really literally" su= pport fascism. Use Mailfence (https://mailfence.com/, "Secure and private email"), or Prot= onMail (https://protonmail.com/, "Secure Email Based in Switzerland" which = encrypts *everything*). Stop feeding the fncking beast your data. The level= of ignorance required to still support Google astounds me. 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I have an older system I built myself that has a GeForce GT 450. This graphics card has served me well and through multiple FreeBSD upgrades. I had it connected to my two displays using DVI-to-HDMI cables and everything works great. But I am now transitioning to being a full-time telecommuter for work. My work supplied system has a docking box that connects using DisplayPort. My displays supported each, however, I have limited desktop real estate, so I was sent a modern KVM switch that, unfortunately, only supports DisplayPort. However the GT 450 does not support DisplayPort, so I am unable to currently use my FreeBSD system via graphics. However, I liked to use it via X11 because I make heavy use of Dia and other graphic tools to document my work. So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for the new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the recommendations useful. Thanks for listening, Patrick From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 06:05:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8C434F97C3 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:05:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: from mail-pf1-x432.google.com (mail-pf1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYJYB21D4z3lmm for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:05:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pprocacci@gmail.com) Received: by mail-pf1-x432.google.com with SMTP id o20so7636421pfu.0 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:05:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Czowf8xrL67JDyx1V5RC+aux8pYjffdpL1K1rgiThI4=; b=Twllo0/EydaDK0ObuQOIMQizNycejiEwzNTBh1nbvzZ9NpJ38+Mh4Dz4+kXIAhkZzu ptY1PbAGW++wbsJnk87fMZMYOqFJFedqxgbTV7ZUQAMTVpStARnIYUmwB55dJZzMOxbn +nGVgbf9HKe7IGFEvtPDDkT6k/8ngU0CQdfNmAYvHSZhHxa/uWNAr1PNDbiUrjOAiMjO /UceHv/38JP0DMOZVF/5K7rEYLSr3jL97ByPh7Lnd/hN6q6Hgg+sDY4c3liASZKiOF8n T2ipNUTHxBUktdTZ+NAevTbJ9XAGEdI8sKfHS1zZKEQxw6eDXbQikdGCPsz+O3jcxsTN mH2A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Czowf8xrL67JDyx1V5RC+aux8pYjffdpL1K1rgiThI4=; b=IOtpAxlcSMqR+hwy/F3gUUK0zPgJp0dPtcy0Xenj/6Gis0y+DgHbMdsZjCXIJHhiOi uvse+j/NxONA7SV67TiezEjRYzd1oFDdiN4j3xhweAD8Ni3WO+Vcq+EpQlNcvVX7juL6 w0RFKW1FQuyV+A9knwxgXeakthvIyTroZQYBMbtX1Au/61BJ5//3d8Gw4oehb/8KW6aU ymWgxF21DWdiYzVK1zKmI9KXCApnk9pNPzJRIkDTZ2925kY3jvkZCDztrv71tKnzYirO bnKKudix7X0jw/Jr3DboQRdp77cOM914+IFKkWtcgESFWH591cIsSiIy793Fw/P9RrTc Qwyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530ICtWcLhiIJbt+RJR7D3kr3cU8CkZdq04HpSKG98IhbEHgZ7gY L0xZsBr8H2mI3t0CP+7gOypdZ89RBoitBzlkkA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxAxG60ZY5uKs0ufGZFtgkwUMrEhUhq4T6MKdPWh1pf3RzIGfWNKq1snuTPGYEvNvIK73dpNQiChFWmTTMITMg= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:8698:0:b029:1be:aef7:449d with SMTP id d24-20020aa786980000b02901beaef7449dmr12135067pfo.60.1612677932825; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:05:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Paul Procacci Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 01:05:20 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Patrick Mahan Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYJYB21D4z3lmm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=Twllo0/E; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pprocacci@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::432 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pprocacci@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::432:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::432:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::432:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 06:05:35 -0000 If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd personally recommend against using NVIDIA. You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. I had to buy an AMD based card instead of NVIDIA to offload the mp4 compressions requirements from the 6 camera streams I have going. Another thing to keep in mind is CUDA isn't available on FreeBSD. If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop machine otherwise. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 12:48 AM Patrick Mahan wrote: > This might be better suited for freebsd-hardware, but I thought I would > start here. > > I have an older system I built myself that has a GeForce GT 450. This > graphics card has served me well and through multiple FreeBSD upgrades. I > had it connected to my two displays using DVI-to-HDMI cables and everything > works great. But I am now transitioning to being a full-time telecommuter > for work. My work supplied system has a docking box that connects using > DisplayPort. My displays supported each, however, I have limited desktop > real estate, so I was sent a modern KVM switch that, unfortunately, only > supports DisplayPort. However the GT 450 does not support DisplayPort, so > I am unable to currently use my FreeBSD system via graphics. However, I > liked to use it via X11 because I make heavy use of Dia and other graphic > tools to document my work. > > So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I > thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for the > new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the > recommendations useful. > > Thanks for listening, > > Patrick > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 06:34:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94CC4F9D7A for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:34:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from plmahan@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x12b.google.com (mail-lf1-x12b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::12b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYKB76FjBz3mWf for ; 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Sat, 06 Feb 2021 22:34:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Patrick Mahan Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2021 22:33:55 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Paul Procacci Cc: User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYKB76FjBz3mWf X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=digRvDIr; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of plmahan@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::12b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=plmahan@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.998]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::12b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 06:34:08 -0000 On Sat, Feb 6, 2021 at 10:05 PM Paul Procacci wrote: > If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd > personally recommend against using NVIDIA. > You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. > > I've been a Nvidia user for a long time. I haven't had a need to look for other cards. > I had to buy an AMD based card instead of NVIDIA to offload the mp4 > compressions requirements from the 6 camera streams I have going. > Another thing to keep in mind is CUDA isn't available on FreeBSD. > > No, I don't need to decompress video nor do I need CUDA. My heaviest usage will be working with Blender and needing to render various items. So far the Nvidia GeForce line has been my goto. I just now need to replace the existing card and it must be able to drive two DisplayPort monitors. Thanks for the clarification. Patrick > If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me > entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. > I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop > machine otherwise. > > ~Paul > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 12:48 AM Patrick Mahan wrote: > >> This might be better suited for freebsd-hardware, but I thought I would >> start here. >> >> I have an older system I built myself that has a GeForce GT 450. This >> graphics card has served me well and through multiple FreeBSD upgrades. I >> had it connected to my two displays using DVI-to-HDMI cables and >> everything >> works great. But I am now transitioning to being a full-time telecommuter >> for work. My work supplied system has a docking box that connects using >> DisplayPort. My displays supported each, however, I have limited desktop >> real estate, so I was sent a modern KVM switch that, unfortunately, only >> supports DisplayPort. However the GT 450 does not support DisplayPort, so >> I am unable to currently use my FreeBSD system via graphics. However, I >> liked to use it via X11 because I make heavy use of Dia and other graphic >> tools to document my work. >> >> So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I >> thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for >> the >> new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the >> recommendations useful. >> >> Thanks for listening, >> >> Patrick >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 06:48:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1407A4FAA64 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 06:48:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYKV912HJz3nb5 for ; 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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:05 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd > personally recommend against using NVIDIA. > You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. > Why do some people (not you per se but "people" in general) assume that nVidia is no good for anything beyond just the most basic stuff on FreeBSD... I have a GT1030 (no DisplayPort) that works just fine on the most demanding loads I can throw at it like playing movies at the maximum hardware specified frame rate and resolution (2160x1440@30 FPS [according to the HW specs this is the max a GT 1030 can do on HDMI]). Note I have heard reports from people with more modern cards that there is zero difference between what the HW can do and what the OS allows it to do with *ANY* nVidia cards. If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me > entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. > I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop machine > otherwise. > Since your comments about nVidia are incorrect why mention it except to show your personal dislike for nVidia (not actual performance). -- Aryeh M. 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I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu offloading of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. It's simply not possible. Full stop. So if Patrick wanted to use these functions, he would absolutely need to instead consider AMD. That's it! Nothing more. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:48 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > DO NOT TOP POST! > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:05 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> If you do anything other than using your machine as a simple "Desktop" I'd >> personally recommend against using NVIDIA. >> You didn't mention anything of the sort so I'm speculating a bit. >> > > Why do some people (not you per se but "people" in general) assume that > nVidia is no good for anything beyond just the most basic stuff on > FreeBSD... I have a GT1030 (no DisplayPort) that works just fine on the > most demanding loads I can throw at it like playing movies at the maximum > hardware specified frame rate and resolution (2160x1440@30 FPS [according > to the HW specs this is the max a GT 1030 can do on HDMI]). Note I have > heard reports from people with more modern cards that there is zero > difference between what the HW can do and what the OS allows it to do with > *ANY* nVidia cards. > > If these two things above don't concern you, then you can ignore me >> entirely. These are just two things that came to mind immediately. >> I've had no problems using any nvidia card I've thrown at a desktop >> machine >> otherwise. >> > > Since your comments about nVidia are incorrect why mention it except to > show your personal dislike for nVidia (not actual performance). > > > -- > Aryeh M. 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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. > There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu offloading > of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. > It's simply not possible. Full stop. > Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses how to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of the X server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some features may not be available." "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended for use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as VNC or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." >From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." -- Aryeh M. 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The necessary bits to run anything related to CUDA _are missing from_ FreeBSD's native nvidia blob. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:07 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > Again DO NOT TOP POST! > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. >> There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu offloading >> of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. >> It's simply not possible. Full stop. >> > > Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses how > to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: > > "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, > requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of > the X > server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some features > may not be available." > > "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any > mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended for > use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as > VNC > or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." > > From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): > > "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. > Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was > dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation > code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." > > -- > Aryeh M. 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There is limited CUDA support w/in the linux emulation layer for nvidia/cuda, but the native nvidia blob for FreeBSD hasn't had this support for well over the ~20 years (or more) I've been using FreeBSD. That's an important distinction. Also, it's maybe true that they've added support within the past year to the native blob, but when I was building my machine not than a year ago, it wasn't there. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > It's not incorrect. The necessary bits to run anything related to CUDA > _are missing from_ FreeBSD's native nvidia blob. > > ~Paul > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:07 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > >> Again DO NOT TOP POST! >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. >>> There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu >>> offloading of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. >>> It's simply not possible. Full stop. >>> >> >> Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses >> how to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: >> >> "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, >> requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of >> the X >> server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some >> features >> may not be available." >> >> "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any >> mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended >> for >> use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as >> VNC >> or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." >> >> From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): >> >> "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. >> Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was >> dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation >> code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. 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On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:13 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > It's not incorrect. The necessary bits to run anything related to CUDA > _are missing from_ FreeBSD's native nvidia blob. > You said "FreeBSD" does not support CUDA with *ANY* variation of the nvidia driver since it does support it with Linux emulation then it does in fact support it. Who gives a flying if it is native or not it is still possible and that's all that matters. What a strawman. > > ~Paul > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:07 AM Aryeh Friedman > wrote: > >> Again DO NOT TOP POST! >> >> On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 1:56 AM Paul Procacci wrote: >> >>> I think you're mistaken. I like Nvidia and always have liked Nvidia. >>> There are limitations to the card however when it comes to gpu >>> offloading of tasks that utilize either cuda or similar. >>> It's simply not possible. Full stop. >>> >> >> Again incorrect the documentation for the nVidia driver even discusses >> how to set up CUDA here are two of the relevant quotes from it: >> >> "Disabling acceleration is useful when another component, such as CUDA, >> requires exclusive use of the GPU's processing cores. Performance of >> the X >> server will be reduced when acceleration is disabled, and some >> features >> may not be available." >> >> "The NVIDIA driver will not perform any >> mode validation or mode setting for this X screen. This is intended >> for >> use in conjunction with CUDA or in remote graphics solutions such as >> VNC >> or Hewlett Packard's Remote Graphics Software (RGS)." >> >> From an article on the release of 12.0-BETA4 ( >> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=FreeBSD-12.0-Beta-4): >> >> "This is necessary for FreeBSD 64-bit CUDA support with NVIDIA's driver. >> Previously the FreeBSD CUDA support played nicely with 32-bit, but that was >> dropped in CUDA 9.0. This should help too for other 64-bit Linux emulation >> code for working with NVIDIA's binary graphics driver." >> >> -- >> Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > -- Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 07:21:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707F84FBE1A for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:21:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x12f.google.com (mail-il1-x12f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYLDY3SFLz3q5C for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 07:21:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x12f.google.com with SMTP id q5so9898865ilc.10 for ; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:21:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=JMUUYgsiE/8Vp4n++hHn21cw9C+9z+PKyUTiCptsfEg=; b=c9pliHdTWdfGaBM1DdCy1qoqqRAlrRvj1v+tTbavL7UI5RhRzRmlItb4RS7/YXzRK4 3a1eR+LPHLKa84NDKtKLIydyK7FGyb/ROKZU8gHuzSvbO21Om+kwcIiLU1q4LeScgPAu 8JqDIW8TtGKqw89pOb0PSL/dP78qTJxjTaWW8bsZpc/l7jkv6C3Yg2avOJCB5Zh22CA+ 3dHEMUvHRyDZwMrNMP+HKMQM01RK7x52f5qzVij/7rgGfJp831wxbjbo36jAHnkaGbOg 7cpycACmFgiP/qL1BIDxDELoVzb0q5CF6RNIjd6tmn1hj7teZ2IFU3cOUZIQ9iTSmOTm m16Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=JMUUYgsiE/8Vp4n++hHn21cw9C+9z+PKyUTiCptsfEg=; b=GKByIPp+3xnCNM642KS832rcarMtAty1Hc+SuN7BDXAkrEgdjGN3ZsFyT4qA4707w+ rzQ0gdX/FyxIsym4W7iagQtsA5qqif3yT0rBNqwzD7vnXsexNK69QTkHHDXijWDuTgUP aa6tkpc6nhL6hHmcEHYxYXFYfrwu9vbpkayV0rUYa5HST5lz4BMp8gTkXil22Q14Cd9V v8PyvntivCByi4pfdia7WwryS7Aw6oz8ibDRSTLgj62ud3U7/X4kmTIH/Rd28XF2kRYF EZQ1VFXKOc1z10HLHoLZG9fOGMr+qdZM2tIjZ6sb/avM3EuNOpksqLnDKGeDUF/E+oeh 4VdQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531axXn8O0A9/DQlr+pHfOseB+6c1Qd5SoIbevKo8//xBIXyxskq F6t48sSiSJ+uzAQSIwoXw36xkyy/Tz6YeglTJrY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzsuO79BlDrf2v0B4q9sdYyfprHLc+2mkd4l0ovQuwOIX6OXVw+B8ImOjD2cg603lZczgnAfi87ntETQhQb0wU= X-Received: by 2002:a92:6a08:: with SMTP id f8mr139845ilc.119.1612682476347; Sat, 06 Feb 2021 23:21:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 02:21:05 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Paul Procacci Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYLDY3SFLz3q5C X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=c9pliHdT; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.59 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.59)[-0.594]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:21:18 -0000 On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:17 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > > Also, it's maybe true that they've added support within the past year to > the native blob, but when I was building my machine not than a year ago, it > wasn't there. > The relevant documentation I was quoting from was from nvidia-driver-390 which came out Jan. 18th 2018. So it very much did support it as of that release and I remember seeing mentions of it in earlier driver versions also. -- Aryeh M. 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If you don't like it, you're free to not respond and ignore my messages. If you can't follow, that's on you. No, the support with linux emulation is extremely limited. It's not usable in the least. If you plan on using CUDA, use Linux. ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:21 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:17 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> >> Also, it's maybe true that they've added support within the past year to >> the native blob, but when I was building my machine not than a year ago, it >> wasn't there. >> > > The relevant documentation I was quoting from was from nvidia-driver-390 > which came out Jan. 18th 2018. So it very much did support it as of that > release and I remember seeing mentions of it in earlier driver versions > also. > > > -- > Aryeh M. 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If you don't like it, you're free to not respond and > ignore my messages. > If you can't follow, that's on you. > > No, the support with linux emulation is extremely limited. It's not > usable in the least. > If you plan on using CUDA, use Linux. > Name one such limitation because in 25+ years of using FreeBSD and linux emulation I have never found a serious difference between what can be done in emulation vs. what can be done on an actual linux host (except for cases where the program in question wanted a newer kernel then the one being emulated but since CUDA has been around for a while now this is a non-issue). I even found a few workarounds posted on the net on how to get the nVidia driver to support CUDA natively (none of them official but they still exist). So I will ask again if it can be made to work in any way at all (even if a told hack) then it is incorrect to say CUDA is not possible with nVidia on FreeBSD (yes very hard but not impossible). -- Aryeh M. 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It never worked right. Ok, that's actually an overstatement. It worked sometimes. Compile something simple w/ nvcc and if it was simple enough, sure it would work. Try something a bit more complex, you were sh*t out of luck. Tell ya what, I still have my GTX in my machine doing nothing: # pciconf -vl | fgrep -iA 2 -B 1 GTX vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation' device = 'GM206 [GeForce GTX 950]' class = display subclass = VGA I'll go through the motions of getting the GPU offloading w/ the emulation layer working and if it does, I'll eat my words. ;) ~Paul On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:46 AM Aryeh Friedman wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 2:27 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > >> I post how I like. If you don't like it, you're free to not respond and >> ignore my messages. >> If you can't follow, that's on you. >> >> No, the support with linux emulation is extremely limited. It's not >> usable in the least. >> If you plan on using CUDA, use Linux. >> > > Name one such limitation because in 25+ years of using FreeBSD and linux > emulation I have never found a serious difference between what can be done > in emulation vs. what can be done on an actual linux host (except for cases > where the program in question wanted a newer kernel then the one being > emulated but since CUDA has been around for a while now this is a > non-issue). I even found a few workarounds posted on the net on how to > get the nVidia driver to support CUDA natively (none of them official but > they still exist). So I will ask again if it can be made to work in any > way at all (even if a told hack) then it is incorrect to say CUDA is not > possible with nVidia on FreeBSD (yes very hard but not impossible). > > -- > Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org > -- __________________ :(){ :|:& };: From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 14:14:53 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A407E52DB2A for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:14:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYWPm68ptz4gLh for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:14:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 117EEpeQ090833 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:14:51 GMT (envelope-from freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk) From: Frank Leonhardt Subject: Re: Historical FreeBSD ISOs ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210120070927.GA16090@vagabond> <20210120073310.08a3bbe762ffea29c1091cb7@sohara.org> <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> Message-ID: <6f061d7c-6a22-fb1c-e93e-3cb438a9ab94@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:15:43 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYWPm68ptz4gLh X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd-doc@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 14:14:53 -0000 On 20/01/2021 07:38, Pierre DAVID wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 07:33:10AM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:09:27 +0100 >> Pierre DAVID wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for a study, I need ISO images for historical versions of FreeBSD, >>> such as 3.5-RELEASE, 4.11-RELEASE, and so on (i386 and/or amd64). >>> >>> I searched on ftp.freebsd.org, but the oldest one is 11.2-RELEASE. >> >>     Look here - it goes back to 1.0. >> >> http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ >> >> -- Steve O'Hara-Smith >> > On a related note, what's the definitive source for old source code? svn.freebsd.org/base/releng is patchy (especially with respect tor 3.x); /release will do for some of the gaps for my purposes, but some are missed out frmo there too (1.x for example). I can't find the source on the ftp-archive you've just mentioned, except as tarballs on the release media That's a lot of tar -x to get a working copy and seems somehow wrong, although the release process wasn't consistent . Someone, somewhere must have a complete set of sources in once place?!? Thanks, Frank. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 15:58:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D1A753030B for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:58:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x635.google.com (mail-ej1-x635.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::635]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYYhr6Dstz4mJq for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 15:58:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x635.google.com with SMTP id b9so20728749ejy.12 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:58:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=XvK5Rm/5EVs94r12FGRh4B0VwQk8PaCFbcbFHZcYc1c=; b=b8eFH3ARaMMNzdBgDbJyOIUuqavDidk+H+cGloRktJhgmhBkrRZrouUV5t0E/spi1u kqb+wj/mpszc4eZU5LORRUpBtYTUnEloA1dhlUaABRa/lUu+fqJQw/R28IgUSiNWtijS sLZGpHwBB+HSm6Cv4EnncfxGeqy/3l7foJe6kG7uBYP3uyXtqYS+2zgq+JscKY1+d/zh CiP+rbjvQC7EUP0VBl/sItJN7GCnIG2ltVodNEB0rv0+mSVHmVAn90RHbf+JrHb3zUYE KixbqdfU7IejGJm3C72z5KbDzanhHBkudzVpfpw+3uoj/z92r7yNhPBDFYtzai1bDLCG zTJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XvK5Rm/5EVs94r12FGRh4B0VwQk8PaCFbcbFHZcYc1c=; b=oEw89tmXaZTcQg4XRSuVBrh5dSPuskfEWRTLL9TBb2itpttTKNFSLkCtsbhPnnZqAH OJVfT95HqHh30ETxnnYC7rTcqbPEP5FvsHC78dR+7iJIuuEIvvhPW9Pezj6+INlGYO59 2TjkjNNU9cVe2+LSm52p74ch7xi+FXq6sg0ETGcKTDp3bJLbpMFWJoxhVRc6YYOKUNxc 14XjnQLwe0CUDXJMnOP1NugN+fu8EnqDBvJ+tC8XdytdusRoXFoGSIRkDMg0NA6nLndN bC9yX+5Rm8/Nv2i1ewCwS5JCIDwoqGZy0nLrutcuDPjsxvS9QwsCuf8euF/Ps0JAcWib 0C5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530c7JqIUiKAg+avbQrsbf+A+ml2gt879rFaIJZQJTy97/2eNO5O uaeRkjMyKljnl4ClFMtJs26GVIU3BAz1dQyvXcF78Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx7H6cmjcsqzJrDHKjhcOWH/IS0w+b6fSkW2hpxpff6S40DLbXyC3VNoLZMGIHq9YUSMrnmJOjrg+TsbLIcRX8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:2f07:: with SMTP id v7mr13045197eji.343.1612713483077; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 07:58:03 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Patrick Mahan Cc: User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYYhr6Dstz4mJq X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=b8eFH3AR; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::635) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::635:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::635:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.989]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::635:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 15:58:05 -0000 On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 6:48 AM Patrick Mahan wrote: > So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other groups, I > thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations for the > new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the > recommendations useful. Some time ago I have switched to GF1030 because it was silent (no fan) and low power (30W) and for display it was enough. However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or similar then forget nVidia. After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia does not. On the other hand the graphics stack destruction that comes from Linux KMS/DRM also impacts FreeBSD and it turns out that you neither can use OpenCL nor even stable efficient graphics because RX580 driver crashes my workstation. And since the time I have purchased RX580 until now its price went over 50% down and still I have no use of this card on FreeBSD :-( In this situation GF1030 seems inexpensive and reasonable solution. At least it works. -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 16:16:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B603530B88 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:16:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYZ633t54z4n3j for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:16:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CBBAF4E698; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 10:16:20 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 10:16:19 -0600 Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <689BA65A-1E05-43C3-9154-93689B187FAB@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: To: Tomasz CEDRO X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYZ633t54z4n3j X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.39 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.99)[-0.990]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 16:16:28 -0000 > On Feb 7, 2021, at 9:57 AM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 6:48 AM Patrick Mahan = wrote: >> So before I jump into the wilds of the Nvidia forums and other = groups, I >> thought I would ask here. I would like to hear any recommendations = for the >> new Nvidia graphics from this list as I tend to find most of the >> recommendations useful. >=20 > Some time ago I have switched to GF1030 because it was silent (no fan) > and low power (30W) and for display it was enough. >=20 > However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so > you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob > driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or > similar then forget nVidia. And it has been so at least for as long as I dare to remember which is = some 20 years. > After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to > AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia > does not. >=20 And during all that 20 years AMD always was my savior=E2=80=A6 I second = what you say. Also, NVIDIA obsoletes hardware that is still decent, = which is another source of pain in you know where. Valeri > On the other hand the graphics stack destruction that comes from Linux > KMS/DRM also impacts FreeBSD and it turns out that you neither can use > OpenCL nor even stable efficient graphics because RX580 driver crashes > my workstation. And since the time I have purchased RX580 until now > its price went over 50% down and still I have no use of this card on > FreeBSD :-( >=20 > In this situation GF1030 seems inexpensive and reasonable solution. At > least it works. >=20 > --=20 > CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 16:36:07 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB03531417 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:36:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x62b.google.com (mail-ej1-x62b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::62b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYZXl1HFJz4p7y for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:36:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x62b.google.com with SMTP id hs11so20982583ejc.1 for ; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 08:36:06 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M8CYyUihlQ1Mq5F6S0+4We8GEoGkHUse8brsGxLMFes=; b=DO5ivj7+lFKf2VsWwxxdscy99IIrdQQOwnAxqYQlDhRviIcyWoSCPLe8o4fWOIoyLw VZmrxHIjmR22ieIggnmtHO4disug6XCiARe49blTBeQy0S5WmyBTszoSzkAx4z2uKgGT imknTFuY9GgYSoD185IDa/Mn6JavsT/0Wgdhdk0uMECxHeDOkspo4LLuq+q+YWkAJXap VmxTU7o7MMON+ZuufIJetyd2uWf2U7D1aCYpDxeC+R2dG2EP2faKM1uirVjH39RDBKWp UJTysQ/1CNvRKb9ScKt2fbpgPVz3dgXmN5sn8GKAsaWWWm4ajKomeBKvFG/iTDjAk1Nb /k/A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=M8CYyUihlQ1Mq5F6S0+4We8GEoGkHUse8brsGxLMFes=; b=LxGWx5anZ2A7WthZp84R8rc1WF9jEj2VECbo22CY0+MtZhbstD7fxzcomjy/zpLuZL FIW0s/OK0AF3XRv8E6Dho+yDorBk3PGefvyJOURTLpPOm56SVdBQZdiiXYFVJYJpCcJf D0O+A++/EslVv+QONyk4W0j5QnI72iei1PU+7sEHLcxzy18A8G0zQtNajs7qp+w47XNy CpRKMUPwmcpxyThOLSJrpSMFaactqXklIyxmc8kz2dw09dsGHARH5ZTRaVt2c8L6EXRZ vr6PU1X5olNysszsBWt5D/uvDcE0wZ11pKW3mO5VKqso6BFyTHzkHwOO6DP1qFpUKBqp 318Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531MXfhjsNKKJMX7LF3Fo/aXGeabyE86EmVo4eKbPw7EavB535Zm qD+M0rHX8GTODZAg0uxEkP7kDnCxLccN0yAU/9m6nA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxHRhV4eDyZFEdUUgdtDvD1N1dfEig1ELEb93fMxqGtC4/ARqpPLOz0E2nz+GCOd6MgRgt1f8O5LSinvEH1fmI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:a00e:: with SMTP id p14mr13419755ejy.532.1612715765188; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 08:36:05 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <689BA65A-1E05-43C3-9154-93689B187FAB@kicp.uchicago.edu> In-Reply-To: <689BA65A-1E05-43C3-9154-93689B187FAB@kicp.uchicago.edu> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 17:35:48 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 To: Valeri Galtsev Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYZXl1HFJz4p7y X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=DO5ivj7+; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::62b) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.10)[-0.095]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::62b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 16:36:07 -0000 On Sun, Feb 7, 2021 at 5:16 PM Valeri Galtsev w= rote: > And during all that 20 years AMD always was my savior=E2=80=A6 I second w= hat you say. Also, NVIDIA obsoletes hardware that is still decent, which is= another source of pain in you know where. I noticed Intel does the same with their integrated graphic adapters on windoze 10.. you cannot find working drivers anymore for a decent machines because they are too old.. what a crap :-) :-) :-) --=20 CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 19:23:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3E315347CD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:23:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYfFK4gzsz3FVh for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:23:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Historical FreeBSD ISOs ? 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Why would you think someone would? I'd guess what is available on the = ftp represents the best collection of what there is. --=20 Thanks to great leaders such as Ghengis Khan, Joan of Arc, and Socratic Method, the world is full of history. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 19:48:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 774335353F4 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:48:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYfpQ0QJ5z3HGg for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 19:48:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.112.240]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue107 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MzQTm-1m47UB1U1Y-00vLiC; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 20:48:11 +0100 Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:48:10 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: Patrick Mahan , User Questions Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 Message-Id: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:oRxKVmu5BQ2Fy29PXKYo5LWkugwDasRFjpUJGPleNV8fUPia3uF 6wll3PQ9CVRY8QsvM9P6hFNR+3l1QJpX8F3oiMmp6GkuCogseO91lXkVHI9SKiggA1KBq+5 RntZ4yOu2reIWj+V3lSuqSogOi1E+M2oKIjBBzbMDA5pVgeqTBjD68qDouP/JhrRZhCHTmN 43Vg+7bV/GP5P98VI7b9A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:yyf7GIQsAIA=:pvw+mMCEMqauYX/D3fjHDu WxNX9sPNVHOYv6VsZbK/vCaVxSIYwaMLf9xZC5CrAoNyEa9KbM3HlfhguqjPUFsb2hwxWVmfz jU5gYfE3Wlbx1wJ91zAatUBmAJ7wLLATbSw7GyhwDJCDOdD8sd8KnDbUj56jQAzwpKRRgb9DJ zGdLs2cMp+HqmP9MG+rR9UWBpO2UDTxKtpRKZOryCx3TeouCWN4HKCSdVsMnR0+tOBI30AGBl yA3lqZ80tLuKXRORqT/e2ghqPdkONvVzDPodUHcpsjCKtE5g3PMKAadwowsBksy+T2xLMfufd DFJBjgtryLQayUArIHoTRMSdc+Hsj/JVDFrb+ngbJ0z/Mh+nhLZ4PMDXQiHaRqW2s1iHLAP/w z+parxFQevg9uN2VvgZ4a4Qz9fxw2Hx7V3rPU/qYriMNMNzxUIZvYR5lrTB/R X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYfpQ0QJ5z3HGg X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.24) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.45 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.112.240:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.93)[-0.932]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.99)[0.987]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 19:48:15 -0000 On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so > you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob > driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or > similar then forget nVidia. That is also my individual experience with nVidia. While there are open source drivers, they're not as good as the binary ones supplied by nVidia, so if you expect 3D stuff to work (and most desktop environemnts today cannot work without them), you will have to use the original nVidia drivers, because neither "nv" nor "nouveau" would provide more functionality and performance than "vesa" (as "lowest common denominator") would. > After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to > AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia > does not. In the past, ATi had excellent open source support for all the features of the graphics card, and there was one (!) driver that supported them (named "ati"). Worked out of the box, no further fiddling with xorg.conf options or XML files... :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 20:27:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC0B536887 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:27:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYggw6Gxlz3KtR for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:27:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.137.160]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D66A94E698; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:27:39 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 14:27:37 -0600 Cc: Tomasz CEDRO , Patrick Mahan , User Questions Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6D6F7A44-AEB9-418E-A0D1-3C77A4C1FD78@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYggw6Gxlz3KtR X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.137.160:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[cedro.info,gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 20:27:42 -0000 > On Feb 7, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: >> However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so >> you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob >> driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or >> similar then forget nVidia. >=20 > That is also my individual experience with nVidia. While there > are open source drivers, they're not as good as the binary ones > supplied by nVidia, so if you expect 3D stuff to work (and most > desktop environemnts today cannot work without them), you will > have to use the original nVidia drivers, because neither "nv" > nor "nouveau" would provide more functionality and performance > than "vesa" (as "lowest common denominator") would. There is reason for that. Nvidia does not disclose much of chip = internals (like memory layout etc), so to write decent open source = driver is not possible, hence only generic functions are supported by = open source nv driver. Anything a step off usual, say dual screen with = different screen resolutions - quite often thing in the Department I = support - is not possible. You have to install Nvidia proprietary binary = driver (I often correct those who say =E2=80=9Ccompile nvidia driver=E2=80= =9D. Nope! What one is compiling is interface between proprietary binary = driver and specific kernel). >> After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to >> AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while nVidia >> does not. >=20 > In the past, ATi had excellent open source support for all the > features of the graphics card, and there was one (!) driver that > supported them (named "ati"). Worked out of the box, no further > fiddling with xorg.conf options or XML files... :-) Same observation here. ATI chip internals were decently described by = manufacturer in their documentation, so open source driver developers = can write excellent drivers supporting pretty much all capabilities of = the chip[set]. Such were my observations for a couple of decades, even = after AMD bought ATI. Someone, correct me if you noticed things changed, = which I hope they didn=E2=80=99t. Valeri > --=20 > Polytropon > Magdeburg, Germany > Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 > Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 13:11:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1AE652C3C9 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from bs1.fjl.org.uk (bs1.fjl.org.uk [84.45.41.196]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DYV0t02hzz4cPq for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Received: from [192.168.1.181] (host86-167-39-8.range86-167.btcentralplus.com [86.167.39.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by bs1.fjl.org.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 117DBeg4076448 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:11:40 GMT (envelope-from frank2@fjl.co.uk) Subject: Re: Historical FreeBSD ISOs ? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20210120070927.GA16090@vagabond> <20210120073310.08a3bbe762ffea29c1091cb7@sohara.org> <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> From: Frank Leonhardt Message-ID: <56591189-eea9-917b-e892-785d46a0b169@fjl.co.uk> Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 13:12:33 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210120073808.GA20539@vagabond> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYV0t02hzz4cPq X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of frank2@fjl.co.uk designates 84.45.41.196 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=frank2@fjl.co.uk X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:84.45.41.196:c]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[84.45.41.196:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[fjl.co.uk]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25577, ipnet:84.45.0.0/17, country:GB]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[86.167.39.8:received] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:19:13 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 13:11:42 -0000 On 20/01/2021 07:38, Pierre DAVID wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2021 at 07:33:10AM +0000, Steve O'Hara-Smith wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jan 2021 08:09:27 +0100 >> Pierre DAVID wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> for a study, I need ISO images for historical versions of FreeBSD, >>> such as 3.5-RELEASE, 4.11-RELEASE, and so on (i386 and/or amd64). >>> >>> I searched on ftp.freebsd.org, but the oldest one is 11.2-RELEASE. >> >>     Look here - it goes back to 1.0. >> >> http://ftp-archive.freebsd.org/pub/FreeBSD-Archive/old-releases/ >> >> -- >> Steve O'Hara-Smith >> > On a related note, what's the definitive source for old source code? svn.freebsd.org/base/releng is patchy (especially with respect tor 3.x); /release will do for some of the gaps for my purposes, but some are missed out frmo there too (1.x for example). I can't find the source on the ftp-archive you've just mentioned, except as tarballs on the release media That's a lot of tar -x to get a working copy and seems somehow wrong, although the release process wasn't consistent . Someone, somewhere must have a complete set of sources in once place?!? Thanks, Frank. 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Well, I try to make it working :-) These are non-open-source and will not provide support for FreeBSD. Last time I have asked Xilinx it was over 10 years ago. Lattice support told me they will not release for FreeBSD. So I have to use Linux stuff. Xilinx has their installer weighting over 40GB, and after installation it is even bigger, a mix of Python Java and all sorts of stuff, dynaimc libraries and all dependencies included. Xilinx Vivado hangs at Java (11.0.2) loading GUI but nothing shows up except all my system resources are consumed. I have to use kill -9 to get rid of that guy. After several experiments with that Linuxlator (64-bit) I also noticed that MC (native FreeBSD's Midnight Commander) hangs on start. This does not happen before I start this Xilinx-Python-Java-Linux monster. I guess system runs out of some resource. There is a bit of free physical RAM and 20GB of swap. All CPU is consumed 100%. What other resources may have impact here? Any hints welcome :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Feb 7 21:43:37 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B34E53A680 for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:43:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (mx1.dismail.de [78.46.223.134]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA512 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mx1.dismail.de", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DYjMW4fzcz3htD for ; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 21:43:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lumiwa@dismail.de) Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 66cb8079; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 1aa280ba; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:32 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id ac969044; Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:32 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 7c823237 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Sun, 7 Feb 2021 22:43:31 +0100 (CET) Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:43:29 -0500 From: LuMiWa To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Suggested upgrade for a GeForce GT 450 Message-ID: <20210207164329.3f0df00c@dismail.de> In-Reply-To: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <20210207204810.d575ae00.freebsd@edvax.de> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DYjMW4fzcz3htD X-Spamd-Bar: ------ X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.70 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[dismail.de:s=20190914]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:78.46.223.134]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[dismail.de:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[78.46.223.134:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dismail.de,reject]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[dismail.de:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:78.46.0.0/15, country:DE]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:43:37 -0000 On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 20:48:10 +0100 Polytropon wrote: > On Sun, 7 Feb 2021 16:57:47 +0100, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > > However, it turns out that nVidia in a nightmare for Open-Source, so > > you cannot do anything except what they give you with a binary blob > > driver, that is basic display stuff. If you want to do OpenCL or > > similar then forget nVidia. >=20 > That is also my individual experience with nVidia. While there > are open source drivers, they're not as good as the binary ones > supplied by nVidia, so if you expect 3D stuff to work (and most > desktop environemnts today cannot work without them), you will > have to use the original nVidia drivers, because neither "nv" > nor "nouveau" would provide more functionality and performance > than "vesa" (as "lowest common denominator") would. >=20 >=20 >=20 > > After 20 years of being loyal customer of nVidia I have switched to > > AMD RADEON RX580 simply because they support Open-Source while > > nVidia does not. >=20 > In the past, ATi had excellent open source support for all the > features of the graphics card, and there was one (!) driver that > supported them (named "ati"). Worked out of the box, no further > fiddling with xorg.conf options or XML files... :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 How is Intel support. I am looking for one old(er) computer and it has Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200 and another Intel HD Graphics 640. 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RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 21:52:03 -0000 On 07.02.2021 22:43, LuMiWa via freebsd-questions wrote: > How is Intel support. I am looking for one old(er) computer and it has > Intel Iris Pro Graphics 6200 and another Intel HD Graphics 640. Are > they okay for Blender and FreeCAD, please? > Thank you. 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Having said that, the trailing dot after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? 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Having said that, the trailing dot > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? yes here's a longer quote: ------- begin ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:22 $ sudo make DESTDIR=/mnt install clean ===> Creating some important subdirectories ===> Starting chrooted make in /mnt... ===> drm-devel-kmod-5.4.92.g20210128_1 requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src. *** Error code 1 ------- end If yes, > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? > not that I know of: ------- begin ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:27:58 $ set | grep SRC ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:10 $ ------- end regards Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 10:25:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89C552C4FD for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:25:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZ2Gh6HtVz3G0q for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:25:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 118APMQq042122 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:25:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 118APMFp042121 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 12:25:22 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 12:25:21 +0200 Message-ID: <2672269.iL6vRArjjl@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZ2Gh6HtVz3G0q X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.27 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.975]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 10:25:34 -0000 On 2021 M02 8, Mon 09:01:26 EET Yuri Pankov wrote: > Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi, > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as /usr/src > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > running > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > uname: > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > amd64 > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? No. I don't how it happens but /usr/src/sys broken after system update # ls -al src.old/sys total 4 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 . drwxr-xr-x 26 root wheel 1024 Feb 6 11:02 .. dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 class dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 dev dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 devices dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 12:19 kernel Trying to reproduce it during the next system update > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 10:49:42 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6C452D5CB for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:49:42 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from yuripv@yuripv.dev) Received: from new4-smtp.messagingengine.com (new4-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.230]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZ2pY6VGjz3HZb for ; 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Mon, 8 Feb 2021 05:49:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src To: Michael Schuster Cc: freeBSD Mailing List References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 13:49:38 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZ2pY6VGjz3HZb X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=AKXkUEGf; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=te3MLA9u; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 66.111.4.230 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.36 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; 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Having said that, the trailing dot >> after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there >> in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? > > > yes > > here's a longer quote: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:22 $ sudo make DESTDIR=/mnt install > clean > ===> Creating some important subdirectories > ===> Starting chrooted make in /mnt... > ===> drm-devel-kmod-5.4.92.g20210128_1 requires kernel source files in > SRC_BASE=/usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > ------- end > > If yes, >> check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? >> > > not that I know of: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:27:58 $ set | grep SRC > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:10 $ > ------- end Yep, '.' comes as a part of full message, sorry for the noise. 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(tried 0 configs) - 12.1-RELEASE-p7 To: Paul Procacci Thanks Paul, yes this is a Digital Ocean VM. Odd as i don't get the problem on my other VMs with DO. Appreciate the pointer, i'll look into cloud-init for issues. Best Regards, unixdude On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 7:07 AM Paul Procacci wrote: > The error message isn't found in the FreeBSD source code hence I'd > question this being a FreeBSD bug. > > cloud-init? > > ~Paul > > On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 2:31 PM UNIX Dude wrote: > >> Greetings >> >> I have an odd problem which I have not come across before, and does not >> occur on other systems with the same configuration in /etc/rc.conf >> >> Upon boot I receive the following message in /var/log/messages: >> >> Jan 29 06:59:30 db-1 kernel: WARN: no logging configured! (tried 0 >> configs) >> Jan 29 06:59:36 db-1 syslogd: last message repeated 1 times >> >> I have checked all the correct files exist (such as /etc/syslog.conf) and >> also tried using known good config files from other installs where the >> message does not appear. I have also checked to make sure there are no >> strange permissions set on all relevant files. >> >> db-1# ps axu|grep syslogd >> root 38104 0.0 0.1 11352 2728 - Ss Fri06 0:11.19 >> /usr/sbin/syslogd -ss >> >> /etc/rc.conf option: >> >> syslogd_flags="-ss" >> >> I was wondering if anyone is able to shed any light on this issue as I did >> not have much luck searching for other users with the same / similar >> problem. >> >> Thanks >> unixdude >> _______________________________________________ >> freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list >> https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions >> To unsubscribe, send any mail to " >> freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" >> > > > -- > __________________ > > :(){ :|:& };: > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 15:29:44 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352F2536DD6 for ; 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It is based on QT4 so it was removed from ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - why don't we run macOS binaries??? These are also ELF, macOS uses lots of FreeBSD stuff, and the packages are self contained with all libraries, so it should be even easier than running Linux stuff (that always has some dependency issues like I am experiencing right now running closed-source FPGA toolchains). Did anyone consider running macOS programs on FreeBSD? Do you know how good it would be to run macOS quality software on FreeBSD and not really depend on Linux alternatives? :-) Hints and comments are welcome :-) Tomek [1] https://github.com/Qucs/ -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 15:54:21 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E856B537A98 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:54:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZ9Z45zT1z4R23 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:54:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1612799661; x=1615391661; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=9HI1Jl+mqjh0Yle0j9NPlSAmRNFkXg0U2ymmE9IjqeU=; b=FV+eGHSxHTA8Bk4PZLlk0Zjj/jQBkRKuWHIqwF+AFukX5akgVJ03cBI/viUL6sCdm2y298QWRY3TqGDxnHa7IpXvG23yTtLmtZT2EZmBS+BIF49U0MYc36Q1KqWRgNE2R9+NN1A9/dD/tkbSSZuxUFK/Piu0/W8QZh/RHY4y93k= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZDAwMDI3NTEwNjIuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.3]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:54:12 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r3.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Mon, 8 Feb 2021 10:54:12 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1l98ra-000MeE-4E for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 15:54:10 +0000 Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 15:54:09 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [maqulator] FreeBSD running macOS binaries :-) Message-Id: <20210208155409.e297a2e43748f79c150df46f@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZ9Z45zT1z4R23 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=FV+eGHSx; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.70 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.997]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd0002751062.595b072b2b36df670e8cf28942d90d1a@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 15:54:22 -0000 On Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:29:34 +0100 Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > Hello world :-) > > There is a nice QUCS [1] electronics simulation program (SPICE with GUI > that works out of thebox). It is based on QT4 so it was removed from > ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. > > The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - why > don't we run macOS binaries??? I believe the main problems will be anything that depends on Aqua and other proprietary Apple interfaces or directly uses the Mach kernel interface. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 16:40:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13C2F538ECD for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:40:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZBbc4C3Pz4TnG for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 16:40:43 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 118GeeKM043486 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:40:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 118GeeOF043485 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 18:40:40 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 18:40:39 +0200 Message-ID: <5583583.Zv9zXsTiuT@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZBbc4C3Pz4TnG X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.30 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 16:40:46 -0000 On 2021 M02 8, Mon 11:32:30 EET Michael Schuster wrote: > On Mon, Feb 8, 2021 at 8:01 AM Yuri Pankov wrote: > > Michael Schuster wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as > > > /usr/src > > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > > > running > > > > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > > > uname: > > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > > > amd64 > > > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? > > yes > > here's a longer quote: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:22 $ sudo make DESTDIR=/mnt install > clean > ===> Creating some important subdirectories > ===> Starting chrooted make in /mnt... > ===> drm-devel-kmod-5.4.92.g20210128_1 requires kernel source files in > SRC_BASE=/usr/src. > *** Error code 1 > ------- end > > If yes, > > > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? > > not that I know of: > ------- begin > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:27:58 $ set | grep SRC > ports/graphics/drm-devel-kmod:10:28:10 $ > ------- end Michael, Could you please run ls -dli /usr/src/sys ? Mine is # ls -dli /usr/src/sys 2 dr-xr-xr-x 1 root wheel 0 Feb 8 18:37 /usr/src/sys Please note inode number 2 and the size of directory Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 17:08:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1A353A1A2 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:08:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (noc.quadranet.com [66.63.164.214]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "sigill.theweb.org.ua", Issuer "sigill.theweb.org.ua" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZCCL4KlVz4X6w for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 17:08:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: from sigill.theweb.org.ua (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 118H8Ao3043584 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:08:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) Received: (from oleg@localhost) by sigill.theweb.org.ua (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 118H8AUv043583 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 19:08:10 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from oleg@theweb.org.ua) X-Authentication-Warning: sigill.theweb.org.ua: oleg set sender to oleg@theweb.org.ua using -f From: "Oleg V. Nauman" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 19:08:10 +0200 Message-ID: <2281312.bDOn7JOVgO@sigill.theweb.org.ua> Organization: Private persom In-Reply-To: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZCCL4KlVz4X6w X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of oleg@theweb.org.ua has no SPF policy when checking 66.63.164.214) smtp.mailfrom=oleg@theweb.org.ua X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.49 / 15.00]; HAS_XAW(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_IP_A(1.00)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; HFILTER_HELO_NORES_A_OR_MX(0.30)[sigill.theweb.org.ua]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.21)[-0.210]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from]; CTE_CASE(0.50)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8100, ipnet:66.63.164.0/23, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[oleg]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[theweb.org.ua]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.63.164.214:from:127.0.2.255]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 17:08:15 -0000 On 2021 M02 8, Mon 09:01:26 EET Yuri Pankov wrote: > Michael Schuster wrote: > > Hi, > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question ... > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as /usr/src > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > running > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > uname: > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > amd64 > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? It is a bug in /etc/rc.d/linux script linux_start() { local _emul_path _tmpdir _emul_path="$(sysctl -n compat.linux.emul_path)" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Attempt to use of "sysctl -n compat.linux.emul_path" value when it is not available because we are loading 'linux64.ko' later. It means that _emul_path contains empty data. load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in amd64) load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Actual load of linux64 kernel module ................................. and later.. if checkyesno linux_mounts_enable; then mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linprocfs "${_emul_path}/proc" mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ _emul_path is empty so it will run mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "/sys" while # ls -dl /sys lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 Jun 4 2018 /sys -> usr/src/sys symlink to /usr/src/sys It will effectively hide actual content of /usr/src/sys if you have linux_enable="YES", causing build failure of any port with kernel modules. Thank you From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 20:10:20 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16E353FCD1 for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZHFS20BFz4n2j for ; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:10:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id m20so13964068ilj.13 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 12:10:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=9T25pQ4NtxUkYKKsrD+atOeZQPnYjd9OBrdz7n+OsBs=; b=aPJyWdCpwpD8/TUO8v/7++qamgdkALEn/OeTaI8ORX5IApF+ClYt4bjC0qpNr90wOs 0+hTUbvWn7SPCADBh21i/Yr3U2P++or5ll/YJkYQ6xzAxdO0rEvktv43CHpZlLrgmavN TLCrn+NSCFDislKf4oMAS3+3csAnR4k6irx9iWpH76IXp6R1c94m/YZk5KkhIISy+R5s k4Zna61J+783oBmm0l15RYB0YjfiY7SAlaov3RVGOSIaSUpi7QWsAuN0cxQlt01gm6Be MCfxupX/ZnjSiaEeEkbQxnKKAVCce+gffviCWsKQpRzuPWxNXQxnXXDxZdHkfQbzqcS9 qXjw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=9T25pQ4NtxUkYKKsrD+atOeZQPnYjd9OBrdz7n+OsBs=; b=m9kFTRYWZAc3j1GZh09wmg7DjvnTJuyjfOTCdfMeWDPgcSKS0P/CeoOWMY7jITZji5 5tEDPbrnEF1JMMBrXmvIoU8pH6MUnFjnqpMcr7pEpO/O6ruL2kPKRtyPBaGYIuolDX/x 01a6VzdRWrYUzoFqIzBYQcQU4Npedv2quYWlc2a1kRidutGnVLa3DTKl4WQAX28h4/lB 09K97fnFPqaOu45t39OOwIt695lYpFosaHDm2uLv+eYM46ZicjrTN5UQeNek5YThLCOg LiuE6e8jMV/CDWYzez2UBgl2e6E5Td53aKreShgcR5tCp8ie33uSYbn68wFWi5xOKdtz nZ+g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533CZJ9ImYecRfTGrVGPTFV3TP9RjBAp+207kxPwBkh6T5fFl5Ab deiPRrRBrISBLzbyyFehXcVWzuACCKboMiQJU7XR6j9ZWoDdhQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxkbGGB0/xK43Mu3q8BvzZXPt7UisjKVNs4U5/fmJ3XIWEEzmHH+T8xL9eE7yvkD+sw9LJSmqiDS8oj/LTcX70= X-Received: by 2002:a92:d987:: with SMTP id r7mr16857518iln.3.1612815019028; Mon, 08 Feb 2021 12:10:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> <2281312.bDOn7JOVgO@sigill.theweb.org.ua> In-Reply-To: <2281312.bDOn7JOVgO@sigill.theweb.org.ua> From: Michael Schuster Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:10:07 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src To: "Oleg V. 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Nauman wrote: > On 2021 M02 8, Mon 09:01:26 EET Yuri Pankov wrote: > > Michael Schuster wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > again, apologies if this is not the right place to ask this question > ... > > > > > > I've done a fair amount of googling, without relevant findings. > > > > > > $Subject says all - both the port I'm trying to build as well as > /usr/src > > > are up-to-date (one using "svn up", the other "git pull"), I'm also > > > running > > > the kernel that I built from those sources. > > > > > > uname: > > > FreeBSD host 14.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT #12 > > > main-n244657-344f1083e12: Sat Feb 6 12:17:33 CET 2021 > > > root@host:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC > > > > > > amd64 > > > > FWIW, I am not seeing the issue. Having said that, the trailing dot > > after /usr/src in that error message looks suspicious, it is not there > > in /usr/ports/Mk/Uses/kmod.mk; was that an exact copy/paste? If yes, > > check if you are (incorrectly) setting SRC_BASE somewhere? > > It is a bug in /etc/rc.d/linux script > actually, in my case it was ... I don't quite know what. You may have seen I use "DESTDIR=/mnt", which is the mountpoint for a newly created boot environment: $ bectl list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created [...] BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.8G 2021-02-06 17:53 BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - /mnt 860K 2021-02-08 20:49 ... which, as I found out, does NOT include /usr/src; only after creating a snapshot of same and mounting that specifically: $ sudo mount -t zfs tank/usr/src@20210208 /mnt/usr/src ... did my make command work. Thx to all who helped me think about this properly :-) Michael PS: I'll be researching this boot env. behaviour a bit more (I was the same using bectl or beadm), should someone have an idea already, I'm all ears! > linux_start() > { > local _emul_path _tmpdir > _emul_path="$(sysctl -n compat.linux.emul_path)" > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Attempt to use of "sysctl -n compat.linux.emul_path" value when it is > not > available because we are loading 'linux64.ko' later. It means that > _emul_path > contains empty data. > > > load_kld -e 'linux(aout|elf)' linux > case `sysctl -n hw.machine_arch` in > amd64) > load_kld -e 'linux64elf' linux64 > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Actual load of linux64 kernel module > > ................................. > and later.. > > > if checkyesno linux_mounts_enable; then > mount -o nocover -t linprocfs linprocfs > "${_emul_path}/proc" > mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "${_emul_path}/sys" > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > _emul_path is empty so it will run > mount -o nocover -t linsysfs linsysfs "/sys" > while > # ls -dl /sys > lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 11 Jun 4 2018 /sys -> usr/src/sys > symlink to /usr/src/sys > It will effectively hide actual content of /usr/src/sys if you have > linux_enable="YES", causing build failure of any port with kernel modules. > > Thank you > > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 06:57:09 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 066D853324D for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 06:57:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.37]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZYbm10Bzz4Yt3 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 06:57:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CFC5C26C93 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:57:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75494E72DD for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:57:03 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: [maqulator] FreeBSD running macOS binaries :-) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <700ebebc-9282-5241-61d0-ddd73d1124b7@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 07:57:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZYbm10Bzz4Yt3 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.37) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.20 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[217.13.200.37:from]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[217.13.200.37:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.13.200.37:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.13.200.37:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 06:57:09 -0000 Slightly off topic, but there seems to be a successor to qucs, called qucs-s Have not tested it yet, though, so I cannot comment on it's usability. https://ra3xdh.github.io/ Am 08.02.21 um 16:29 schrieb Tomasz CEDRO: > Hello world :-) > > There is a nice QUCS [1] electronics simulation program (SPICE with GUI > that works out of thebox). It is based on QT4 so it was removed from > ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. > > The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - why > don't we run macOS binaries??? > > These are also ELF, macOS uses lots of FreeBSD stuff, and the packages > are self contained with all libraries, so it should be even easier than > running Linux stuff (that always has some dependency issues like I am > experiencing right now running closed-source FPGA toolchains). > > Did anyone consider running macOS programs on FreeBSD? > > Do you know how good it would be to run macOS quality software on > FreeBSD and not really depend on Linux alternatives? :-) > > Hints and comments are welcome :-) > Tomek > > [1] https://github.com/Qucs/ > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 09:53:30 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A0B1538941 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 09:53:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::24b:4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZdWG06mbz4mlS; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 09:53:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:c4ea:bd49:619b:6cb3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: matthew/mail) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D24BF2EEF2; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 09:53:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from matthew@FreeBSD.org) Received: from PD0786.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:151:1:5960:44ae:4a0d:b97a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: m.seaman@infracaninophile.co.uk) by smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 76B8C52B0; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 09:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=FreeBSD.org Authentication-Results: smtp.infracaninophile.co.uk/76B8C52B0; dkim=none; dkim-atps=neutral Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src To: Michael Schuster , "Oleg V. Nauman" Cc: freeBSD Mailing List References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> <2281312.bDOn7JOVgO@sigill.theweb.org.ua> From: Matthew Seaman Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 09:53:27 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 09:53:30 -0000 On 08/02/2021 20:10, Michael Schuster wrote: > $ bectl list > BE Active Mountpoint Space Created > [...] > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.8G 2021-02-06 17:53 > BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - /mnt 860K 2021-02-08 20:49 > > ... which, as I found out, does NOT include /usr/src; only after creating a > snapshot of same and mounting that specifically: There's an important difference between beadm and bectl which seems relevant here. beadm defaults to accepting a tree of ZFSes as a boot environment, whereas bectl only applies to the ZFS at the top level of the boot environment unless you use the -r flag. I don't know why the difference was introduced, since bectl was specifically written as a drop-in replacement for beadm, and the recursive behaviour of beadm is generally what you'ld want if you have several ZFSes per boot environment and entirely harmless if you only have a single ZFS per BE. Cheers, Matthew From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 10:01:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27CEE538E9A for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 10:01:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com (mail-io1-xd31.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZdhh0TGJz4nF1; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 10:01:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from michaelsprivate@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id s24so18136808iob.6; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 02:01:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=uokDmYKLp5arQUdV/pcgLqFcZModalNVaHYlwxJWSUM=; b=ONzQak+afcxGH/4UB36C7VXoeuaM82U/eAUjRf/Ki1zqiDcNdubEYhpm6GGkKlnYL3 VLgMJjsZ5ZA1DlXaIW224IlpwTWb35K08Z8GaCJLxdx7EBrXn6prGr1XpkgQVYR4bo7j Ku6G++y5FA+ComAOgU40AxbTZHVKp8NaB/eM1DemIlVGsbyFfsVlyMQTIS4q5uQy+CUm nVOhaMXOPkqhcIHPO7D53E3Hcl17FunAk5TqKd6+C8Zk9HndnUEpNg6uwQCRrYIh0doD Y+T26yd3SgvDcI5SZUDat/e74wi/D+9CxGsKGdIAPN3WFIdCbjxwdC5IKuWDA/g1lQEH A+8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=uokDmYKLp5arQUdV/pcgLqFcZModalNVaHYlwxJWSUM=; b=qgO6E3dtWHpsGu3ru42HOsKv5Px3ll3P43m5R55bGtJej4OA66YjUEaaT0RjW+CiiY xzQN9jI9nd9wy5QemM0i1T+70Ngr4gWLhboOfcXZRWQ5I4J6Ii43QPZGN1mz4q+UyZrU 1G1wXVX56j11/7xICC4xVMW7DR/Xv03oYUijE2J6RiIQusurnnNjFn+pG7AoOoJRnQT2 LB6kvVJp2QW+k14CMNxXasixkWWGZeGlxnPtYs9CJouxw+7R7p2OoYHytV1jBS/aR5GP QmQ6oA3KPZ7Cf0ClGXSivnvNy3zN/f5qySa5qNZCp02DdEJU6feQOPuu1dfjkQh6UjZz EWMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533wTQcbaqLwj8v8wj4o/AyyQvftLSWDRt9ONogRF78vhlMce4EE dDQmxh5zySak7ygebjSi+mXcRwrVRGzF2njDXacLl48dLTg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxTy8r+hr+rukams8zEeJLS1FGR15iwzmYVNUpMNBBVeJ0MeM7yfRskgg2YeVViwsl3thfCEXy1zDhDyEIIiuE= X-Received: by 2002:a5e:db42:: with SMTP id r2mr18549180iop.103.1612864897515; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 02:01:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <601d6f51-e3e5-a780-332a-95648fe87168@yuripv.dev> <2281312.bDOn7JOVgO@sigill.theweb.org.ua> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Schuster Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 11:01:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src To: Matthew Seaman Cc: "Oleg V. Nauman" , freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZdhh0TGJz4nF1 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 10:01:40 -0000 On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 10:53 AM Matthew Seaman wrote: > On 08/02/2021 20:10, Michael Schuster wrote: > > > $ bectl list > > BE Active Mountpoint Space Created > > [...] > > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.8G 2021-02-06 17:53 > > BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - /mnt 860K 2021-02-08 20:49 > > > > ... which, as I found out, does NOT include /usr/src; only after > creating a > > snapshot of same and mounting that specifically: > > There's an important difference between beadm and bectl which seems > relevant here. beadm defaults to accepting a tree of ZFSes as a boot > environment, whereas bectl only applies to the ZFS at the top level of > the boot environment unless you use the -r flag. > Hi Matthew, unless I made a mistake in my tests (quite possible ;-)), beadm and bectl behaved identically (non-recursive) here. In fact, I created the BE you see above mounted on /mnt with beadm (I've been using bectl otherwise) to test that very difference before I wrote yesterday's email. That behaviour *may* of course be due to the fact that the one I started with (the active one, shown above) was created using bectl and the new one inherited that very behaviour you mention. When I get round to it, I'll do some more testing on this. > I don't know why the difference was introduced, since bectl was > specifically written as a drop-in replacement for beadm, and the > recursive behaviour of beadm is generally what you'ld want if you have > several ZFSes per boot environment and entirely harmless if you only > have a single ZFS per BE. > +1 on that. thx Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 14:01:16 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C477553FE0C for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:01:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com (mail-lj1-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZl181B1bz53jc for ; 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Less benign would be > analysis of the information and use it in political (=E2=80=9Celection=E2= =80=9D) > play. One can think up even less benign use of everything. >=20 > And as some wise man said: you do not need to recruit spies. Just > roll out =E2=80=9Cfree=E2=80=9D services, and information will float to y= ou. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m writing all this realizing that it will end up in huge number= of > gmail accounts. As 80 or 90 % of all email does. Mailing lists aren't private anyway, so that doesn't really matter. I only use this gmail account for mailing list and only with a traditional MUA. I don't see any ads or give them anything that isn't already public. gmail appears to give FreeBSD lists some special handling because the lists modify the body and always break DMARC. On other lists you can lose posts that are sent from domains with a reject policy. An alternative is to read lists with an NNTP news reader on news.gmane.io. 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Haven't tried it myself. > > > > My wife has had Fastmail mailbox for at least twenty years, > > and has no complaints. As a mail _host_? Dunno. > > > > I'm using fastmail and do agree with "good things" and "no > > complaints". It is paid service, but absolutely worth it IMO. > > Wife says: there is a free mailbox plan ... but it comes with > limited storage and they insert an ad at the bottom of each message. That's not been available for years. 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SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[91.238.160.176:from:127.0.2.255]; HAS_X_GMSV(0.00)[mailpool@milibyte.co.uk]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 16:29:55 -0000 On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:53:27 GMT Matthew Seaman wrote: > There's an important difference between beadm and bectl which seems > relevant here. beadm defaults to accepting a tree of ZFSes as a boot > environment, whereas bectl only applies to the ZFS at the top level of > the boot environment unless you use the -r flag. That probably accounts for a discrepancy that I always see between beadm list and bectl list for my BE which has child datasets: curlew:/tmp% beadm list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 133.0M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 18.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d NR / 39.4G 2021-02-05 10:46 curlew:/tmp% bectl list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 2.80M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d NR / 39.5G 2021-02-05 10:46 For inactive BEs the output from beadm shows the total space for all the child datasets and their snapshots but bectl only includes the space for the top level dataset and its snapshot. For example: curlew:/tmp% zfs list -H -o name,used,origin ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.1y ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.1y 6.02M ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d@2020-12-24-11:20:04 curlew:/tmp% zfs list -t snap -H -o name,used ssd/ROOT/ fbsd12.2d@2020-12-24-11:20:04 ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d@2020-12-24-11:20:04 55.3M This gives a total of 61.3M matching the result for bectl but does not include the space used by all the children. >From past experience I know that when I destroy fbsd12.1y it will free up about 1.9G but there's no way to get this information using bectl Since bectl doesn't have an -r option for the list command it's not possible for me to make it look for child datasets. Perhaps it should be updated to check for and include child datasets by default when calculating the size, this shouldn't have any adverse affect the result if there is only a top level dataset in the BE. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 18:28:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBB7F546B46 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 18:28:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from mail.worldserver.net (mail.worldserver.net [217.13.200.37]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "*.worldserver.net", Issuer "EuropeanSSL Server CA 2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZrxP5b7xz3P38 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 18:28:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from listac@nebelschwaden.de) Received: from postpony.nebelschwaden.de (v22018114346177759.hotsrv.de [194.55.14.20]) (Authenticated sender: postmaster@nebelschwaden.de) by mail.worldserver.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BB8D426D3B for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:28:22 +0100 (CET) Received: from [172.16.37.5] (kaperfahrt.nebelschwaden.de [172.16.37.5]) by postpony.nebelschwaden.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA7BE73A6 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:28:12 +0100 (CET) Reply-To: listac@nebelschwaden.de Subject: Re: [maqulator] FreeBSD running macOS binaries :-) To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <700ebebc-9282-5241-61d0-ddd73d1124b7@nebelschwaden.de> <5ac5173e-1a6f-c329-e401-e3a9f6dc7fdd@cedro.info> From: Ede Wolf Message-ID: <6697ad39-0ba5-2813-ac35-38dc211acc8b@nebelschwaden.de> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:28:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5ac5173e-1a6f-c329-e401-e3a9f6dc7fdd@cedro.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZrxP5b7xz3P38 X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of listac@nebelschwaden.de has no SPF policy when checking 217.13.200.37) smtp.mailfrom=listac@nebelschwaden.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.20 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[listac@nebelschwaden.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[217.13.200.37:from]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[217.13.200.37:from]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[217.13.200.37:from]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15657, ipnet:217.13.192.0/20, country:DE]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[217.13.200.37:from:127.0.2.255]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nebelschwaden.de]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[0.999]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 18:28:27 -0000 Just remember, for now this still requires qt4. But as developement has taken off again, worth keeping an eye on and check back every quarter or so. Am 09.02.21 um 15:01 schrieb Tomasz CEDRO: > On 09.02.2021 07:57, Ede Wolf wrote: >> Slightly off topic, but there seems to be a successor to qucs, called >> qucs-s Have not tested it yet, though, so I cannot comment on it's >> usability. >> >> https://ra3xdh.github.io/ > > Wow this looks really worth looking! 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Tue, 09 Feb 2021 11:10:44 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2476830.FrFBg55ix7@curlew> In-Reply-To: <2476830.FrFBg55ix7@curlew> From: Michael Schuster Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:10:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Bootenv containing several filesystems [Re: "make" in ports tells me "requires kernel source files in SRC_BASE=/usr/src." despite an up-to-date /usr/src] To: Mike Clarke Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZstF70pFz3hQG X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZrVSxdwV; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::132 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.99 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; 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Thx Michael > For inactive BEs the output from beadm shows the total space for all the > child datasets and their snapshots but bectl only includes the space for > the > top level dataset and its snapshot. > > For example: > > curlew:/tmp% zfs list -H -o name,used,origin ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.1y > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.1y 6.02M ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d@2020-12-24-11:20:04 > curlew:/tmp% zfs list -t snap -H -o name,used ssd/ROOT/ > fbsd12.2d@2020-12-24-11:20:04 > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d@2020-12-24-11:20:04 55.3M > > This gives a total of 61.3M matching the result for bectl but does not > include the space used by all the children. > > From past experience I know that when I destroy fbsd12.1y it will free up > about 1.9G but there's no way to get this information using bectl > > Since bectl doesn't have an -r option for the list command it's not > possible > for me to make it look for child datasets. Perhaps it should be updated to > check for and include child datasets by default when calculating the size, > this shouldn't have any adverse affect the result if there is only a top > level dataset in the BE. > > -- > Mike Clarke > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 19:16:40 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 409605281E8 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:16:40 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZt1318QBz3hqV for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 119JGUEa095597 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:16:31 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) To: FreeBSD Mailing List Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org From: Gary Aitken Subject: which linux libfuse.so.2? Message-ID: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:11:59 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 09 Feb 2021 12:16:31 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZt1318QBz3hqV X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.996]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:16:40 -0000 I'm trying to run a linux binary (prusa-slicer) that is in .AppImage format. When run, it complains about missing libfuse.so.2. I believe this has to be a linux lib, not the fbsd one. So does it matter which version of linux it was built for? I presume I need the x86_64 version. Or can I just make a symlink in compat/linux/lib to the regular fbsd fuse library? I'm running 11.4-RELEASE-p3 amd64 I see libraries: CentOS BaseOS armhfp: fuse-libs-2.9.7-12.el8.armv7hl.rpm CentOS BaseOS x86_64: fuse-libs-2.9.7-12.el8.i686.rpm Fedora armhfp: fuse-libs-2.9.9-11.fc34.armv7hl.rpm Fedore x86_64: fuse-libs-2.9.9-11.fc34.i686.rpm OpenSUSE Oss x86_64: libfuse2-2.9.9-4.1.i586.rpm libfuse2-32bit-2.9.9-4.1.x86_64.rpm And then, how do I unpack the rpm? Thanks, Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 19:30:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DCDA5287EB for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:30:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from mailbackend.panix.com (mailbackend.panix.com [166.84.1.89]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZtJz5Jy8z3jxN for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 19:30:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kh@panix.com) Received: from rain.home (pool-173-48-64-3.bstnma.fios.verizon.net [173.48.64.3]) by mailbackend.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DZtJy2Y54zJsr for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:30:26 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=panix.com; s=panix; t=1612899026; bh=gd3Y62Vc3hfEmXjQl7NjjHFg01WnOW+cY12vZ6WIVNo=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=CGmcNMrRxycinDfSJxGd42lg+6o2pd9KEa0wpAa5uVYBzMMkI+eNEh/7cT8MEIZEa 8CxzEIk2OoTBJK7c0GunkoUrfNtioru8Dj2EGoxnmpBAmynLCMS2iNADhaTVqGKNKz 7UzV7AEI1otbpGG5z8R59H02LQZRlc/B6WEWq+zM= Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> <20210209145843.079389a3@gumby.homeunix.com> From: Kurt Hackenberg Message-ID: <8b80d4a7-3fd3-b032-6d19-a940b3e736c4@panix.com> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:30:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210209145843.079389a3@gumby.homeunix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZtJz5Jy8z3jxN X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=panix.com header.s=panix header.b=CGmcNMrR; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kh@panix.com designates 166.84.1.89 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kh@panix.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.20 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[166.84.1.89:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:166.84.0.0/16]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[166.84.1.89:from]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[panix.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:2033, ipnet:166.84.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[173.48.64.3:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[panix.com:s=panix]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[panix.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[panix.com:dkim]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:30:28 -0000 On 2/9/21 9:58 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > I only use this gmail account for mailing list and only with a > traditional MUA. I don't see any ads or give them anything that > isn't already public. Google knows who you are across your use of all their services, by identifying your computer(s). A separate Gmail account won't hide you from that. For example, your use of Gmail for this list will affect what videos Youtube suggests to you. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 20:56:46 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D1F152AAF0 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:56:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZwDY36Nlz3qwt for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:56:45 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 9a445926 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:56:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: which linux libfuse.so.2? To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 12:56:37 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZwDY36Nlz3qwt X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:56:46 -0000 On 2/9/21 11:11 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: > I'm trying to run a linux binary (prusa-slicer) that is in .AppImage > format. > When run, it complains about missing libfuse.so.2.  I believe this has > to be > a linux lib, not the fbsd one.  So does it matter which version of > linux it > was built for?  I presume I need the x86_64 version.  Or can I just > make a > symlink in compat/linux/lib to the regular fbsd fuse library? i think it would depend under which linux distro you are running emulation from.  if you are using the c7-linux packages to supply the rest of the linux binaries for this program, I'd grab the CentOS rpm for x86_64 (assuming your system is x86_64 and not arm). there is also work happening on getting debian and ubuntu working under freebsd - not sure about its availability on 11.4, but i use it for GUI apps on my workstations: https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails the nice thing about this method, is once you've bootstrapped your debian environment you can chroot into it and run "apt-get install blah" and it all pretty much just works. > > I'm running 11.4-RELEASE-p3  amd64 > > I see libraries: > > CentOS BaseOS armhfp: fuse-libs-2.9.7-12.el8.armv7hl.rpm > CentOS BaseOS x86_64: fuse-libs-2.9.7-12.el8.i686.rpm > Fedora armhfp:        fuse-libs-2.9.9-11.fc34.armv7hl.rpm > Fedore x86_64:        fuse-libs-2.9.9-11.fc34.i686.rpm > OpenSUSE Oss x86_64:  libfuse2-2.9.9-4.1.i586.rpm >                       libfuse2-32bit-2.9.9-4.1.x86_64.rpm > > And then, how do I unpack the rpm? this is covered in the handbook here: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/linuxemu/ see section 10.2.3 "Intall a Linux RPM Based Application". tl;dr is use the rpm2cpio package in conjunction with cpio like so: rpm2cpio < /my/file.rpm | cpio -id the above trick works well on linux btw :) -p -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 21:26:52 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B919A52B9D5 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 21:26:52 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZwvH4NPmz3sr4 for ; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 21:26:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? 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I don't see any ads or give them anything that isn't = already public. >=20 > Google knows who you are across your use of all their services, by = identifying your computer(s). A separate Gmail account won't hide you = from that. Depends on the computer. And the browser. Safari does an excellent job of not proving information used to = fingerprint user machines. --=20 "I'm just like every modern woman trying to have it all. A loving husband, a family. I only wish I had more time to seek out the dark forces and join their hellish crusade." From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Feb 8 20:15:05 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D39554032D; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:15:05 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sysctl.cz) Received: from wes1-so2.wedos.net (wes1-so2.wedos.net [46.28.106.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DZHLv6zF4z4nZW; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 20:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@sysctl.cz) Received: from webmail.wedos.net (wes1-wm3.wedos.net [46.28.106.84]) by wes1-so2.wedos.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4DZHLl15zGzSr; Mon, 8 Feb 2021 21:14:55 +0100 (CET) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 21:14:55 +0100 From: freebsd@sysctl.cz To: Tomasz CEDRO Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org, owner-freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [maqulator] FreeBSD running macOS binaries :-) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: X-Sender: freebsd@sysctl.cz User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/1.2.4 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DZHLv6zF4z4nZW X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@sysctl.cz has no SPF policy when checking 46.28.106.16) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@sysctl.cz X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.10 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sysctl.cz]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[46.28.106.16:from]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[46.28.106.16:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_NO_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:197019, ipnet:46.28.104.0/21, country:CZ]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-desktop, freebsd-emulation, freebsd-questions, owner-freebsd-emulation] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 21:39:32 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Feb 2021 20:15:05 -0000 Dne 2021-02-08 16:29, Tomasz CEDRO napsal: > Hello world :-) > > There is a nice QUCS [1] electronics simulation program (SPICE with > GUI that works out of thebox). It is based on QT4 so it was removed > from ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. > > The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - > why don't we run macOS binaries??? > > These are also ELF, macOS uses lots of FreeBSD stuff, and the packages > are self contained with all libraries, so it should be even easier > than running Linux stuff (that always has some dependency issues like > I am experiencing right now running closed-source FPGA toolchains). > > Did anyone consider running macOS programs on FreeBSD? > > Do you know how good it would be to run macOS quality software on > FreeBSD and not really depend on Linux alternatives? :-) > > Hints and comments are welcome :-) > Tomek > > [1] https://github.com/Qucs/ Yes, Its exists project for emulation macOS binares. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Feb 9 23:52:41 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21DA52FCE0; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 23:52:41 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@dstev.net) Received: from mail2.protonmail.ch (mail2.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.22]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db07X4pGnz4YQP; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 23:52:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@dstev.net) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 23:52:16 +0000 From: Daniel Stevenson Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List , freebsd-emulation@freebsd.org, freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org Reply-To: Daniel Stevenson Subject: Re: [maqulator] FreeBSD running macOS binaries :-) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,MISSING_HEADERS shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db07X4pGnz4YQP X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=dstev.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of daniel@dstev.net designates 185.70.40.22 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=daniel@dstev.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.90 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[daniel@dstev.net]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.22:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dstev.net,none]; MISSING_TO(2.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-emulation,freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.22:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2021 23:52:41 -0000 On Monday, February 8th, 2021 at 9:29 AM, Tomasz CEDRO w= rote: > Hello world :-) > > There is a nice QUCS [1] electronics simulation program (SPICE with GUI > > that works out of thebox). It is based on QT4 so it was removed from > > ports in March 2019. People use macOS binary with no problem. > > The question is - if we can somehow run Linux and Linux64 binaries - why > > don't we run macOS binaries??? > > These are also ELF, macOS uses lots of FreeBSD stuff, and the packages > > are self contained with all libraries, so it should be even easier than > > running Linux stuff (that always has some dependency issues like I am > > experiencing right now running closed-source FPGA toolchains). > > Did anyone consider running macOS programs on FreeBSD? > > Do you know how good it would be to run macOS quality software on > > FreeBSD and not really depend on Linux alternatives? :-) > > Hints and comments are welcome :-) > > Tomek > > [1] https://github.com/Qucs/ It's aimed at Linux, but you might be able to compile Darling[1] on FreeBSD. It doesn't support graphical applications--yet--but they are working on it. 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Have you tries CURA [1]? There is a native port on FreeBSD and it may generate GCODE for your printer [2] :-) [1] https://www.freshports.org/cad/cura/ [2] https://www.help.prusa3d.com/en/guide/how-to-import-profiles-to-cura-4-x-windows-macos_17848 -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 00:21:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD1155312D5 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:21:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-lj1-x229.google.com (mail-lj1-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::229]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db0nK6kBRz4Zxf for ; 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FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::229:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::229:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:21:59 -0000 On 10.02.2021 00:52, Daniel Stevenson wrote: > It's aimed at Linux, but you might be able to compile Darling[1] on > FreeBSD. It doesn't support graphical applications--yet--but they are > working on it. > [1] https://www.darlinghq.org/ Great project and big community already.. hope it gets the GUI running soon! 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But as developement has > taken off again, worth keeping an eye on and check back every quarter or > so. 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To: Pete Wright , freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> From: Tomasz CEDRO Organization: CeDeROM Message-ID: <453b81d8-c08d-fae4-598b-16be904789d6@cedro.info> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:49:51 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db1Ph4mPrz4cml X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=jUHaJC4D; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::22b) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22b:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22b:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22b:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 00:50:01 -0000 On 09.02.2021 21:56, Pete Wright wrote: > there is also work happening on getting debian and ubuntu working under > freebsd - not sure about its availability on 11.4, but i use it for GUI > apps on my workstations: > https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails > > the nice thing about this method, is once you've bootstrapped your > debian environment you can chroot into it and run "apt-get install blah" > and it all pretty much just works. Wow! I found that interesting and may be a way to run closed source Linux utilities for FPGA from Latice and Xilinx as I have problems running them with GUI on Linuxlator. Two quick questions: 1. Can I use it as non-root? How to chroot for/as normal user? 2. Did you use all X applications with no problems that way? Thanks Pete! :-) -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 01:00:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83881533A0E for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:00:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db1dM3KMsz4dvR for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:00:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d090eeae (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:00:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: which linux libfuse.so.2? To: Tomasz CEDRO , freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> <453b81d8-c08d-fae4-598b-16be904789d6@cedro.info> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 17:00:03 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <453b81d8-c08d-fae4-598b-16be904789d6@cedro.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db1dM3KMsz4dvR X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:00:08 -0000 On 2/9/21 4:49 PM, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On 09.02.2021 21:56, Pete Wright wrote: >> there is also work happening on getting debian and ubuntu working >> under freebsd - not sure about its availability on 11.4, but i use it >> for GUI apps on my workstations: >> https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails >> >> the nice thing about this method, is once you've bootstrapped your >> debian environment you can chroot into it and run "apt-get install >> blah" and it all pretty much just works. > > Wow! I found that interesting and may be a way to run closed source > Linux utilities for FPGA from Latice and Xilinx as I have problems > running them with GUI on Linuxlator. yea it's been super handy, for example i've run several linux only GUI's this way (slack for example). > > Two quick questions: > 1. Can I use it as non-root? How to chroot for/as normal user? yes, what i do is set the following in fstab: /home           /compat/ubuntu/home     nullfs rw,late                      0       0 this makes my normal home directory visible in the chroot.  so what I do ischroot as root, then "su - pete": $ sudo chroot /compat/ubuntu /bin/bash debian-chroot$ su - pete pete@debian-chroot$ > 2. Did you use all X applications with no problems that way? > yes!  that's been my primary use-case actually.  first I allow my local X server to accept connections: $ xhost + localhost then, after chroot'ing and becoming my normal user I then set my DISPLAY environment variable to my freebsd desktop like so: pete@debian-chroot$ DISPLAY=":0" xterm this may be a pretty clean way to run Vivado - it's been a while, but when I used to run it under CentOS it did all sorts of crummy stuff to my system - so I actually had a dedicated workstation just for it. so with this method you'd just be mucking with the chroot'd debian/ubuntu environment, leaving your BSD system relatively clean in terms of deps and 3rd party files installed.  heck you can even have multiple debian chroots :) The wiki entry I referred to was pretty up to date, for example it covers in depth updating the fstab for proc, sysfs and fdescfs. 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Adding new group `cd' (1000) ... Adding new user `cd' (1000) with group `cd' ... Creating home directory `/home/cd' ... Stopped: Couldn't create home directory `/home/cd': File exists. Removing directory `/home/cd' ... Removing user `cd' ... Removing group `cd' ... groupdel: group 'cd' does not exist adduser: `groupdel cd' returned error code 6. Exiting. 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From: Tomasz CEDRO To: Pete Wright , freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> <453b81d8-c08d-fae4-598b-16be904789d6@cedro.info> <9274905e-bac0-e633-3b77-d296ce92b026@cedro.info> Organization: CeDeROM Message-ID: <92f0517d-9a80-b1c0-5d3a-63e3db77cf12@cedro.info> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 02:30:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9274905e-bac0-e633-3b77-d296ce92b026@cedro.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db2Jm4CrCz4gTT X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=DJ92+FfE; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::22e) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.29 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22e:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22e:from:127.0.2.255]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::22e:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:30:49 -0000 On 10.02.2021 02:15, Tomasz CEDRO wrote: > On 10.02.2021 02:00, Pete Wright wrote: >> The wiki entry I referred to was pretty up to date, for example it >> covers in depth updating the fstab for proc, sysfs and fdescfs. >> Hope this helps, >> -pete > > FUUKK!!!! > > root@0xCFMX4:/# adduser cd > Adding user `cd' ... > Adding new group `cd' (1000) ... > Adding new user `cd' (1000) with group `cd' ... > Creating home directory `/home/cd' ... > Stopped: Couldn't create home directory `/home/cd': File exists. > > Removing directory `/home/cd' ... > Removing user `cd' ... > Removing group `cd' ... > groupdel: group 'cd' does not exist > adduser: `groupdel cd' returned error code 6. Exiting. > > > How can I restore my home directory on ZFS??!?Y$@*(#&$*(#! You know. I had my whole home directory just linked at /home so the link only was removed. But what if I would not have it linked or snapped with zfs? How Linux can just simply _remove_ anything without any confirmation? FUCK YOU LINUX. THAT'S WHY. I would strongly suggest removing that /home mount part from the manual! :-( btw. is there any way to undelete files on zfs without a snapshot? -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, https://www.tomek.cedro.info From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 03:27:55 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5914537F3D for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:27:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db4vt5mVPz4qhr for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:27:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 11A3RphP096978; Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:27:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: which linux libfuse.so.2? To: Pete Wright , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:23:19 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Tue, 09 Feb 2021 20:27:51 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db4vt5mVPz4qhr X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-0.999]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:27:55 -0000 On 2/9/21 1:56 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > > > On 2/9/21 11:11 AM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> I'm trying to run a linux binary (prusa-slicer) that is in >> .AppImage format. When run, it complains about missing >> libfuse.so.2. I believe this has to be a linux lib, not the fbsd >> one. So does it matter which version of linux it was built for? I >> presume I need the x86_64 version. Or can I just make a symlink in >> compat/linux/lib to the regular fbsd fuse library? > i think it would depend under which linux distro you are running > emulation from. if you are using the c7-linux packages to supply the > rest of the linux binaries for this program, I'd grab the CentOS rpm > for x86_64 (assuming your system is x86_64 and not arm). thanks. > there is also work happening on getting debian and ubuntu working > under freebsd - not sure about its availability on 11.4, but i use it > for GUI apps on my workstations: https://wiki.freebsd.org/LinuxJails > > the nice thing about this method, is once you've bootstrapped your > debian environment you can chroot into it and run "apt-get install > blah" and it all pretty much just works. thanks; I haven't really looked into that but may if time permits. But it's hard enough just keeping up with one system. ... >> And then, how do I unpack the rpm? > this is covered in the handbook here: > https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/linuxemu/ see section > 10.2.3 "Intall a Linux RPM Based Application". Thanks, my error in not going back and re-reading. I found a centos x86_64 version and unpacked it: $ ls -lt /compat/linux/usr/lib64 | head total 27564 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 16176 Feb 9 19:32 libulockmgr.so.1.0.1 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 20 Feb 9 19:32 libulockmgr.so.1 -> libulockmgr.so.1.0.1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 269368 Feb 9 19:32 libfuse.so.2.9.7 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root wheel 16 Feb 9 19:32 libfuse.so.2 -> libfuse.so.2.9.7 But the .AppImage still chokes with an error loading the library: $ ./PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage dlopen(): error loading libfuse.so.2 Do I need to do something other than place the lib in the right place? Is there a way to run /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd to figure out what it is really looking for? I get the same error whether the symlink for libfuse.so.2 is present or not. If I try to run the linux ldd I get: $ /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage bash: /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd: /usr/bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such file or directory There is no /usr/bin/bash (it's in /usr/local/bin/bash), but there is a /compat/linux/usr/bin/bash. Gary From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 03:47:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1382F538626 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:47:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd29.google.com (mail-io1-xd29.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db5LK1CyFz4sNx for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:47:20 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pstreem@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd29.google.com with SMTP id e133so478933iof.8 for ; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:47:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=VgdgpAOy2Bv02CH90tfDcNztmMxuqCF6OFxnddqd5UA=; b=iNahnM4QAzarZcIgo7e9jtEDdfFQHIQjgp0Vlmgo+zsmA3tfb0EmS9g6ZI7YPtz1fk ruOgH3L1z+lop475e6bx+h04U2D/yOcwZvUvULhxtjkonLN7zE3v9mxNzZLdcOSL1NxV 65rWvFsCLwCyQQNHylotjMnEoYEGC8cV6s8SLZnx9IFqGXBRjCGnJ/2lDS+bg6Tlyha5 EndR2esbk2HGeOhq84msbW6Qw7sL/b9igifjjVNinfC91+R/2/6pEQz+h7lzjlR2bqFb m0H4smuFuy/eC7l7RhIyF/nBnzepf9w1WmMs7PvMXoRRndjFTF97ka0+8xIUJl9q7iGM S7FQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=VgdgpAOy2Bv02CH90tfDcNztmMxuqCF6OFxnddqd5UA=; b=Qc0cf3lA89vFw70O91mcQYlq9wB0WMkcYsUWTGTrKBXIPviqY+1UyVh6jJ9gsxxlkn Ot37fz35ueQF70FQyl/PTqd0yUArHRNFrmmVAaAo0KZuMxby3CGZOSR0nsn8b3360lC2 Y3e60Bjdk0rEtq8FodlBOCGAiIbOG7of+56vTKAF3lro7hRa/4g0RoszmqjqUvg6WLOM dVQ4+HUQPyfql1yWGYBe5xYQoRqMCM/1ze0PVjvhFKYU+ZUCoqHEkjxKRJowd2T/d8KA XK8JXb2N+dOy9wkUdvrqwiqS3w7dNWpyPS39vuHaO6LVIsG2nNcP/0lsXbqIpOHOHSuS Dp6w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530uFz0pwmxiDzAwF9ugCa9DIaJpRpKC5PYd8ok8HzZzn4koKlhh j13N1qtw0yrkWVm2ql9WymQNvh6CV820Aib6dzyNYVs/juR9Yw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+RouLIkzQOpnF2lnwAT4LyyfLzUTddC9Eh0GzVp2dkVEdg7hZlYAS74gaSCjlieWibLjMRWGmRGfErm5qiSw= X-Received: by 2002:a02:ccc5:: with SMTP id k5mr1179260jaq.105.1612928839593; Tue, 09 Feb 2021 19:47:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: PstreeM China Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:47:08 +0800 Message-ID: Subject: Permission denied via ssh over ipv6 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db5LK1CyFz4sNx X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=iNahnM4Q; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pstreem@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pstreem@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.02 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29:from:127.0.2.255]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.979]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d29:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:47:22 -0000 Hello Everyone: Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the solution to fix this issue. new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. Freebsd version is 12.2 Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. The problem is: SSH over ipv4 is work well. But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it is failed , give the notify : permission denied. can not log into the server. I am sure the password is right. No firewall enable in this server. How should I do to fix this ? Thanks very much . //Armin From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 04:04:00 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BF5538A79 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:04:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db5jW1ctyz4t1Q for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:03:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id d015384d (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:03:57 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: which linux libfuse.so.2? To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org, FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <51a444f0-c920-1764-0480-ca99e2ac8186@nomadlogic.org> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2021 20:03:56 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Db5jW1ctyz4t1Q X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of pete@nomadlogic.org designates 174.136.98.114 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=pete@nomadlogic.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[nomadlogic.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[174.136.98.114:from]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; ASN(0.00)[asn:25795, ipnet:174.136.96.0/20, country:US]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:04:00 -0000 On 2/9/21 7:23 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: > > Is there a way to run /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd to figure out what it is > really looking for?  I get the same error whether the symlink for > libfuse.so.2 > is present or not.  If I try to run the linux ldd I get: > > $ /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd > PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage > bash: /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd: /usr/bin/bash: bad interpreter: No > such file or directory > > There is no /usr/bin/bash (it's in /usr/local/bin/bash), but there is a > /compat/linux/usr/bin/bash. > you might want to chroot into the /compat/linux environment like this for example: $ sudo chroot /compat/linux /usr/bin/bash that should make tools like ldd friendlier while you debug. you also might want to give setting your LD_LIBRARY_PATH when executing the command from freebsd to include the linux locations and see how far you get: $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/compat/linux/lib:/compat/linux/lib64 PrusaSlicer... -p -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 05:17:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9882D539B75 for ; 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enable sshd as default. > I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. > > The problem is: > SSH over ipv4 is work well. > But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it is > failed , give the notify : permission denied. > can not log into the server. > I am sure the password is right. Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? It could be blocked by mismatch reverse DNS. 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I recently (last week) replaced my decade old T520 with a new ThinkPad L15 with a 10th gen I5 CPU (Tiger Lake). I have everything working except the WiFi (which I knew would not work) and setting brightness on the display. I have loaded acpi_ibm and it returns '0' for brightness. I tried intel-backlight, which shows the brightness to be '0'. It does nothing, either. I thought that I read that drm-fbsd13-kmod had the ability to do the job, but I have no idea how to do anything with it. I do see sysctls for hw.i915kms.enable_dpcd_backlight and invert_brightness, but I still have no clue whether they are relevant. 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-------------------------------- rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config debug2: resolve_canonicalize: hostname 2607:f130::6287 is address debug2: ssh_connect_direct debug1: Connecting to 2607:f130::6287 [2607:f130::6287] port 22. debug1: Connection established. debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa type 0 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss type -1 debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss-cert type -1 debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.4 debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.4 pat OpenSSH_7.0*,OpenSSH_7.1*,OpenSSH_7.2*,OpenSSH_7.3*,OpenSSH_7.4*,OpenSSH_7.5*,OpenSSH_7.6*,OpenSSH_7.7* compat 0x04000002 debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK debug1: Authenticating to 2607:f130::6287:22 as 'myuser' debug3: Fssh_hostkeys_foreach: reading file "/home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts" debug3: Fssh_record_hostkey: found key type ECDSA in file /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 debug3: Fssh_load_hostkeys: loaded 1 keys from 2607:f130::6287 debug3: order_hostkeyalgs: prefer hostkeyalgs: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com, ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com ,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh. com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 debug3: send packet: type 20 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent debug3: receive packet: type 20 debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received debug2: local client KEXINIT proposal debug2: KEX algorithms: curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,d iffie-hellman-group16-sha512,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,ext-info-c debug2: host key algorithms: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com, ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com, ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nis tp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521, ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,rsa-sha2-512-cert-v01@openssh.com, rsa-sha2-256-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@op enssh.com,ssh-ed25519,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ssh-rsa debug2: ciphers ctos: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc debug2: ciphers stoc: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc debug2: MACs ctos: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: MACs stoc: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: compression ctos: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib debug2: compression stoc: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib debug2: languages ctos: debug2: languages stoc: debug2: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: reserved 0 debug2: peer server KEXINIT proposal debug2: KEX algorithms: curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,d iffie-hellman-group16-sha512,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman -group1-sha1 debug2: host key algorithms: ssh-rsa,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ssh-ed25519 debug2: ciphers ctos: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,bl owfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,3des-cbc debug2: ciphers stoc: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,bl owfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,3des-cbc debug2: MACs ctos: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: MACs stoc: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 debug2: compression ctos: none,zlib@openssh.com debug2: compression stoc: none,zlib@openssh.com debug2: languages ctos: debug2: languages stoc: debug2: first_kex_follows 0 debug2: reserved 0 debug1: kex: algorithm: curve25519-sha256 debug1: kex: host key algorithm: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 debug1: kex: server->client cipher: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com MAC: compression: none debug1: kex: client->server cipher: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com MAC: compression: none debug3: send packet: type 30 debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY debug3: receive packet: type 31 debug1: Server host key: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 SHA256:9b7zNAYeCT72LITVCmeGsXsT5IEsPWXh0FGtzIaR7rw debug3: verify_host_key_dns debug1: skipped DNS lookup for numerical hostname debug3: Fssh_hostkeys_foreach: reading file "/home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts" debug3: Fssh_record_hostkey: found key type ECDSA in file /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 debug3: Fssh_load_hostkeys: loaded 1 keys from 2607:f130::6287 debug1: Host '2607:f130::6287' is known and matches the ECDSA host key. debug1: Found key in /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 debug3: send packet: type 21 debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 debug1: rekey after 134217728 blocks debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS debug3: receive packet: type 21 debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 debug1: rekey after 134217728 blocks debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256:uJkEs7DCUCz5Rsn8sSrWFEeJo8VSHZRRkDKrER8Obic debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss debug2: pubkey_prepare: done debug3: send packet: type 5 debug3: receive packet: type 7 debug1: SSH2_MSG_EXT_INFO received debug1: Fssh_kex_input_ext_info: server-sig-algs= debug3: receive packet: type 6 debug2: service_accept: ssh-userauth debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received debug3: send packet: type 50 debug3: receive packet: type 51 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password debug3: start over, passed a different list publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password debug3: preferred publickey,keyboard-interactive,password debug3: authmethod_lookup publickey debug3: remaining preferred: keyboard-interactive,password debug3: authmethod_is_enabled publickey debug1: Next authentication method: publickey debug1: Offering public key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa RSA SHA256:uJkEs7DCUCz5Rsn8sSrWFEeJo8VSHZRRkDKrER8Obic debug3: send packet: type 50 debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply debug3: receive packet: type 51 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa: No such file or directory debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa: No such file or directory debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519: No such file or directory debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss: No such file or directory debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method debug3: authmethod_lookup password debug3: remaining preferred: ,password debug3: authmethod_is_enabled password debug1: Next authentication method: password myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: debug3: send packet: type 50 debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply debug3: receive packet: type 51 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password Permission denied, please try again. myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: debug3: send packet: type 50 debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply debug3: receive packet: type 51 debug1: Authentications that can continue: publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password Permission denied, please try again. myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: > > Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the > > solution to fix this issue. > > > > new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. > > Freebsd version is 12.2 > > Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. > > I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. > > > > The problem is: > > SSH over ipv4 is work well. > > But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it is > > failed , give the notify : permission denied. > > can not log into the server. > > I am sure the password is right. > > > Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? > > Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? It could be > blocked by mismatch reverse DNS. > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 06:41:50 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C5EA53C01B for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:41:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bferrell@baywinds.org) Received: from baywinds.org (50-196-187-248-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.196.187.248]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "baywinds.org", Issuer "rr-v" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Db9Cd46rTz3HMm for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:41:49 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 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freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:41:50 -0000 Check the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file for this parameter: AddressFamily if it is set to inet, only ipv4 will work if it is set to any, both ipv4 and ipv6 will work It can be set to inet6 to make only ipv6 work On 2/9/21 10:30 PM, PstreeM China wrote: > hi: > > thanks for your quickly reply. > ssh -vvv log as below, we can see the connection has already established, > but after input the password, it's not work.. > i'am sure the password is right, try modify the passwd has the same issue. > > about the DNS PTRs, how should i do ? the source is my home pc, not have > DNS domain. > > -------------------------------- > rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv > OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > debug2: resolve_canonicalize: hostname 2607:f130::6287 is address > debug2: ssh_connect_direct > debug1: Connecting to 2607:f130::6287 [2607:f130::6287] port 22. > debug1: Connection established. > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa type 0 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss type -1 > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss-cert type -1 > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.4 > debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.4 pat > OpenSSH_7.0*,OpenSSH_7.1*,OpenSSH_7.2*,OpenSSH_7.3*,OpenSSH_7.4*,OpenSSH_7.5*,OpenSSH_7.6*,OpenSSH_7.7* > compat 0x04000002 > debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK > debug1: Authenticating to 2607:f130::6287:22 as 'myuser' > debug3: Fssh_hostkeys_foreach: reading file "/home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts" > debug3: Fssh_record_hostkey: found key type ECDSA in file > /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 > debug3: Fssh_load_hostkeys: loaded 1 keys from 2607:f130::6287 > debug3: order_hostkeyalgs: prefer hostkeyalgs: > ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com, > ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com > ,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh. > com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 > debug3: send packet: type 20 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent > debug3: receive packet: type 20 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received > debug2: local client KEXINIT proposal > debug2: KEX algorithms: > curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,d > > iffie-hellman-group16-sha512,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,ext-info-c > debug2: host key algorithms: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com, > ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com, > ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nis > tp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521, > ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,rsa-sha2-512-cert-v01@openssh.com, > rsa-sha2-256-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@op > enssh.com,ssh-ed25519,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ssh-rsa > debug2: ciphers ctos: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc > debug2: ciphers stoc: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc > debug2: MACs ctos: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > debug2: MACs stoc: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > debug2: compression ctos: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > debug2: compression stoc: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > debug2: languages ctos: > debug2: languages stoc: > debug2: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: reserved 0 > debug2: peer server KEXINIT proposal > debug2: KEX algorithms: > curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha256,d > > iffie-hellman-group16-sha512,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellman-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,diffie-hellman > -group1-sha1 > debug2: host key algorithms: > ssh-rsa,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ssh-ed25519 > debug2: ciphers ctos: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,bl > owfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,3des-cbc > debug2: ciphers stoc: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,bl > owfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,3des-cbc > debug2: MACs ctos: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > debug2: MACs stoc: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open ssh.com, > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > debug2: compression ctos: none,zlib@openssh.com > debug2: compression stoc: none,zlib@openssh.com > debug2: languages ctos: > debug2: languages stoc: > debug2: first_kex_follows 0 > debug2: reserved 0 > debug1: kex: algorithm: curve25519-sha256 > debug1: kex: host key algorithm: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 > debug1: kex: server->client cipher: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com MAC: > compression: none > debug1: kex: client->server cipher: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com MAC: > compression: none > debug3: send packet: type 30 > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY > debug3: receive packet: type 31 > debug1: Server host key: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 > SHA256:9b7zNAYeCT72LITVCmeGsXsT5IEsPWXh0FGtzIaR7rw > debug3: verify_host_key_dns > debug1: skipped DNS lookup for numerical hostname > debug3: Fssh_hostkeys_foreach: reading file "/home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts" > debug3: Fssh_record_hostkey: found key type ECDSA in file > /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 > debug3: Fssh_load_hostkeys: loaded 1 keys from 2607:f130::6287 > debug1: Host '2607:f130::6287' is known and matches the ECDSA host key. > debug1: Found key in /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 > debug3: send packet: type 21 > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 > debug1: rekey after 134217728 blocks > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS > debug3: receive packet: type 21 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 > debug1: rekey after 134217728 blocks > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa RSA > SHA256:uJkEs7DCUCz5Rsn8sSrWFEeJo8VSHZRRkDKrER8Obic > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss > debug2: pubkey_prepare: done > debug3: send packet: type 5 > debug3: receive packet: type 7 > debug1: SSH2_MSG_EXT_INFO received > debug1: Fssh_kex_input_ext_info: server-sig-algs= > debug3: receive packet: type 6 > debug2: service_accept: ssh-userauth > debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received > debug3: send packet: type 50 > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > debug3: start over, passed a different list > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > debug3: preferred publickey,keyboard-interactive,password > debug3: authmethod_lookup publickey > debug3: remaining preferred: keyboard-interactive,password > debug3: authmethod_is_enabled publickey > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey > debug1: Offering public key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa RSA > SHA256:uJkEs7DCUCz5Rsn8sSrWFEeJo8VSHZRRkDKrER8Obic > debug3: send packet: type 50 > debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa: No such file or > directory > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa: No such file or > directory > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519: No such file or > directory > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss: No such file or > directory > debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method > debug3: authmethod_lookup password > debug3: remaining preferred: ,password > debug3: authmethod_is_enabled password > debug1: Next authentication method: password > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > debug3: send packet: type 50 > debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > Permission denied, please try again. > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > debug3: send packet: type 50 > debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > Permission denied, please try again. > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: >>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the >>> solution to fix this issue. >>> >>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. >>> Freebsd version is 12.2 >>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. >>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. >>> >>> The problem is: >>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. >>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it is >>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. >>> can not log into the server. >>> I am sure the password is right. >> >> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? >> >> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? 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That is default value. On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 14:42 Bruce Ferrell wrote: > > Check the /etc/ssh/sshd_config file for this parameter: > > AddressFamily > > if it is set to inet, only ipv4 will work > > if it is set to any, both ipv4 and ipv6 will work > > It can be set to inet6 to make only ipv6 work > > > > On 2/9/21 10:30 PM, PstreeM China wrote: > > hi: > > > > thanks for your quickly reply. > > ssh -vvv log as below, we can see the connection has already establishe= d, > > but after input the password, it's not work.. > > i'am sure the password is right, try modify the passwd has the same > issue. > > > > about the DNS PTRs, how should i do ? the source is my home pc, not hav= e > > DNS domain. > > > > -------------------------------- > > rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv > > OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 > > debug1: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config > > debug2: resolve_canonicalize: hostname 2607:f130::6287 is address > > debug2: ssh_connect_direct > > debug1: Connecting to 2607:f130::6287 [2607:f130::6287] port 22. > > debug1: Connection established. > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa type 0 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa-cert type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa-cert type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa-cert type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519-cert type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss type -1 > > debug1: identity file /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss-cert type -1 > > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 > > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.= 4 > > debug1: match: OpenSSH_7.4 pat > > > OpenSSH_7.0*,OpenSSH_7.1*,OpenSSH_7.2*,OpenSSH_7.3*,OpenSSH_7.4*,OpenSSH_= 7.5*,OpenSSH_7.6*,OpenSSH_7.7* > > compat 0x04000002 > > debug2: fd 3 setting O_NONBLOCK > > debug1: Authenticating to 2607:f130::6287:22 as 'myuser' > > debug3: Fssh_hostkeys_foreach: reading file > "/home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts" > > debug3: Fssh_record_hostkey: found key type ECDSA in file > > /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 > > debug3: Fssh_load_hostkeys: loaded 1 keys from 2607:f130::6287 > > debug3: order_hostkeyalgs: prefer hostkeyalgs: > > ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com, > > ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com > > ,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh. > > com,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521 > > debug3: send packet: type 20 > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent > > debug3: receive packet: type 20 > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received > > debug2: local client KEXINIT proposal > > debug2: KEX algorithms: > > curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org > ,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-= group-exchange-sha256,d > > > > > iffie-hellman-group16-sha512,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellma= n-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-sha1,ext-info-c > > debug2: host key algorithms: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256-cert-v01@openssh.com, > > ecdsa-sha2-nistp384-cert-v01@openssh.com, > > ecdsa-sha2-nistp521-cert-v01@openssh.com,ecdsa-sha2-nis > > tp256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp384,ecdsa-sha2-nistp521, > > ssh-ed25519-cert-v01@openssh.com,rsa-sha2-512-cert-v01@openssh.com, > > rsa-sha2-256-cert-v01@openssh.com,ssh-rsa-cert-v01@op > > enssh.com,ssh-ed25519,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ssh-rsa > > debug2: ciphers ctos: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc > > debug2: ciphers stoc: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc > > debug2: MACs ctos: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open > ssh.com, > > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > > debug2: MACs stoc: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open > ssh.com, > > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > > debug2: compression ctos: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > > debug2: compression stoc: none,zlib@openssh.com,zlib > > debug2: languages ctos: > > debug2: languages stoc: > > debug2: first_kex_follows 0 > > debug2: reserved 0 > > debug2: peer server KEXINIT proposal > > debug2: KEX algorithms: > > curve25519-sha256,curve25519-sha256@libssh.org > ,ecdh-sha2-nistp256,ecdh-sha2-nistp384,ecdh-sha2-nistp521,diffie-hellman-= group-exchange-sha256,d > > > > > iffie-hellman-group16-sha512,diffie-hellman-group18-sha512,diffie-hellma= n-group-exchange-sha1,diffie-hellman-group14-sha256,diffie-hellman-group14-= sha1,diffie-hellman > > -group1-sha1 > > debug2: host key algorithms: > > ssh-rsa,rsa-sha2-512,rsa-sha2-256,ecdsa-sha2-nistp256,ssh-ed25519 > > debug2: ciphers ctos: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,bl > > owfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,3des-cbc > > debug2: ciphers stoc: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com > > ,aes128-ctr,aes192-ctr,aes256-ctr,aes128-gcm@openssh.com, > > aes256-gcm@openssh.com,aes128-cbc,aes192-cbc,aes256-cbc,bl > > owfish-cbc,cast128-cbc,3des-cbc > > debug2: MACs ctos: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open > ssh.com, > > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > > debug2: MACs stoc: umac-64-etm@openssh.com,umac-128-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha2-256-etm@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-512-etm@openssh.com, > > hmac-sha1-etm@openssh.com,umac-64@open > ssh.com, > > umac-128@openssh.com,hmac-sha2-256,hmac-sha2-512,hmac-sha1 > > debug2: compression ctos: none,zlib@openssh.com > > debug2: compression stoc: none,zlib@openssh.com > > debug2: languages ctos: > > debug2: languages stoc: > > debug2: first_kex_follows 0 > > debug2: reserved 0 > > debug1: kex: algorithm: curve25519-sha256 > > debug1: kex: host key algorithm: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 > > debug1: kex: server->client cipher: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com MAC: > > compression: none > > debug1: kex: client->server cipher: chacha20-poly1305@openssh.com MAC: > > compression: none > > debug3: send packet: type 30 > > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_ECDH_REPLY > > debug3: receive packet: type 31 > > debug1: Server host key: ecdsa-sha2-nistp256 > > SHA256:9b7zNAYeCT72LITVCmeGsXsT5IEsPWXh0FGtzIaR7rw > > debug3: verify_host_key_dns > > debug1: skipped DNS lookup for numerical hostname > > debug3: Fssh_hostkeys_foreach: reading file > "/home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts" > > debug3: Fssh_record_hostkey: found key type ECDSA in file > > /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 > > debug3: Fssh_load_hostkeys: loaded 1 keys from 2607:f130::6287 > > debug1: Host '2607:f130::6287' is known and matches the ECDSA host key. > > debug1: Found key in /home/myuser/.ssh/known_hosts:21 > > debug3: send packet: type 21 > > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 1 > > debug1: rekey after 134217728 blocks > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent > > debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS > > debug3: receive packet: type 21 > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received > > debug2: set_newkeys: mode 0 > > debug1: rekey after 134217728 blocks > > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa RSA > > SHA256:uJkEs7DCUCz5Rsn8sSrWFEeJo8VSHZRRkDKrER8Obic > > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa > > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa > > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 > > debug1: Will attempt key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss > > debug2: pubkey_prepare: done > > debug3: send packet: type 5 > > debug3: receive packet: type 7 > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_EXT_INFO received > > debug1: Fssh_kex_input_ext_info: > server-sig-algs=3D > > debug3: receive packet: type 6 > > debug2: service_accept: ssh-userauth > > debug1: SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT received > > debug3: send packet: type 50 > > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > > debug3: start over, passed a different list > > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > > debug3: preferred publickey,keyboard-interactive,password > > debug3: authmethod_lookup publickey > > debug3: remaining preferred: keyboard-interactive,password > > debug3: authmethod_is_enabled publickey > > debug1: Next authentication method: publickey > > debug1: Offering public key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_rsa RSA > > SHA256:uJkEs7DCUCz5Rsn8sSrWFEeJo8VSHZRRkDKrER8Obic > > debug3: send packet: type 50 > > debug2: we sent a publickey packet, wait for reply > > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa > > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_dsa: No such file or > > directory > > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa > > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ecdsa: No such file or > > directory > > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519 > > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_ed25519: No such file or > > directory > > debug1: Trying private key: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss > > debug3: no such identity: /home/myuser/.ssh/id_xmss: No such file or > > directory > > debug2: we did not send a packet, disable method > > debug3: authmethod_lookup password > > debug3: remaining preferred: ,password > > debug3: authmethod_is_enabled password > > debug1: Next authentication method: password > > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > > debug3: send packet: type 50 > > debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply > > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > > Permission denied, please try again. > > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > > debug3: send packet: type 50 > > debug2: we sent a password packet, wait for reply > > debug3: receive packet: type 51 > > debug1: Authentications that can continue: > > publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic,password > > Permission denied, please try again. > > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: > >>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the > >>> solution to fix this issue. > >>> > >>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. > >>> Freebsd version is 12.2 > >>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. > >>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. > >>> > >>> The problem is: > >>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. > >>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it > is > >>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. > >>> can not log into the server. > >>> I am sure the password is right. > >> > >> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? > >> > >> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? 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correct? Also, are you able to connect to 2607:f130::6287 from any other host to make sure it's correct address to use and is accepting v6 connections? > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: >>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the >>> solution to fix this issue. >>> >>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. >>> Freebsd version is 12.2 >>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. >>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. >>> >>> The problem is: >>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. >>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it is >>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. >>> can not log into the server. >>> I am sure the password is right. >> >> >> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? >> >> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? It could be >> blocked by mismatch reverse DNS. 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I don't know what is the problem, how to fix. BR//Ming On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:47 PM Yuri Pankov wrote: > PstreeM China wrote: > > hi: > > > > thanks for your quickly reply. > > ssh -vvv log as below, we can see the connection has already established, > > but after input the password, it's not work.. > > i'am sure the password is right, try modify the passwd has the same > issue. > > > > about the DNS PTRs, how should i do ? the source is my home pc, not have > > DNS domain. > > > > -------------------------------- > > rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv > > OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 > [...] > > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 > > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.4 > [...] > > Permission denied, please try again. > > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > > From your original question it's not clear whether FreeBSD 12.2 system > is the client or server, and given the above I'm guessing it's the > former as remote version doesn't say "FreeBSD" and is otherwise > outdated; correct? > > Also, are you able to connect to 2607:f130::6287 from any other host to > make sure it's correct address to use and is accepting v6 connections? > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: > >>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the > >>> solution to fix this issue. > >>> > >>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. > >>> Freebsd version is 12.2 > >>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. > >>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. > >>> > >>> The problem is: > >>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. > >>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it > is > >>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. > >>> can not log into the server. > >>> I am sure the password is right. > >> > >> > >> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? > >> > >> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? 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This was originally intended as a problem report. textproc/p5-XML-Parser configure error (could be pkg/ports mixup of lang/perl5.32) When trying to compile pulseaudio, configure complained about not finding= the perl version in the hashbang. This happened after first doing a package upgrade, updating the ports tree and trying to build the port. I worked around it bu adding a link: usr/local/bin/perl5.32.0@ -> /usr/local/bin/perl5.32.1 [per@konjak /usr/ports/audio/pulseaudio]$ dir /usr/local/bin/perl* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0 7592 Feb=C2=A0 2 02:43 /u= sr/local/bin/perl* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0 8328 Dec=C2=A0 3 02:30 /u= sr/local/bin/perl.pkgsave* lrwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 25 Feb=C2=A0 = 9 22:58 /usr/local/bin/perl5.32.0@ -> /usr/local/bin/perl5.32.1 lrwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 4 Dec=C2= =A0 3 02:30 /usr/local/bin/perl5.32.0.pkgsave@ -> perl lrwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 4 Feb=C2= =A0 2 02:43 /usr/local/bin/perl5.32.1@ -> perl -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 2 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 45270 Feb=C2=A0 2 02:43 /usr/lo= cal/bin/perlbug* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 2 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 45270 Dec=C2=A0 3 02:30 /usr/local/bin/perlbug.pkgsave* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 274 Feb=C2=A0 2 02:= 43 /usr/local/bin/perldoc* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 274 Dec=C2=A0 3 02:= 30 /usr/local/bin/perldoc.pkgsave* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 10831 Feb=C2=A0 2 02:43 /usr/lo= cal/bin/perlivp* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 10831 Dec=C2=A0 3 02:30 /usr/local/bin/perlivp.pkgsave* lrwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 1 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 46 Jan 14 07:= 37 /usr/local/bin/perltex@ -> =2E./share/texmf-dist/scripts/perltex/perltex.pl -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 2 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 45270 Feb=C2=A0 2 02:43 /usr/lo= cal/bin/perlthanks* -rwxr-xr-x=C2=A0 2 root=C2=A0 wheel=C2=A0 45270 Dec=C2=A0 3 02:30 /usr/local/bin/perlthanks.pkgsave* Now I wonder if pkg installs another version of perl than ports. I have read somewhere that it's either ports or packages, but in case one is running a FreeBSD desktop there is a lot less to compile if one first do a pkg upgrade, then update the ports tree and build ports with changed configurations. 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Wed, 10 Feb 2021 04:38:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Permission denied via ssh over ipv6 To: PstreeM China Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: <65d54e7c-9d2c-ec74-1c1c-b0d87bfed6c1@yuripv.dev> From: Yuri Pankov Message-ID: <0fc3cba3-f5f8-c610-0065-296c73227c1f@yuripv.dev> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 12:38:52 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbF806x9Vz3hwW X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=yuripv.dev header.s=fm1 header.b=UUHM3Beo; dkim=pass header.d=messagingengine.com header.s=fm2 header.b=CYf1jGvf; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of yuripv@yuripv.dev designates 64.147.123.26 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=yuripv@yuripv.dev X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.60 / 15.00]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; 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That would mean, and the log you provided confirms, that you are connecting to wrong system, "remote software version OpenSSH_7.4" is NOT FreeBSD 12.2 sshd reply. For further investigation, you could provide network configuration, i.e. `ifconfig`, `netstat -rn` output and relevant rc.conf entries from both client and server. > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:47 PM Yuri Pankov wrote: > >> PstreeM China wrote: >>> hi: >>> >>> thanks for your quickly reply. >>> ssh -vvv log as below, we can see the connection has already established, >>> but after input the password, it's not work.. >>> i'am sure the password is right, try modify the passwd has the same >> issue. >>> >>> about the DNS PTRs, how should i do ? the source is my home pc, not have >>> DNS domain. >>> >>> -------------------------------- >>> rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv >>> OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 >> [...] >>> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 >>> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.4 >> [...] >>> Permission denied, please try again. >>> myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: >> >> From your original question it's not clear whether FreeBSD 12.2 system >> is the client or server, and given the above I'm guessing it's the >> former as remote version doesn't say "FreeBSD" and is otherwise >> outdated; correct? >> >> Also, are you able to connect to 2607:f130::6287 from any other host to >> make sure it's correct address to use and is accepting v6 connections? >> >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: >>>>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the >>>>> solution to fix this issue. >>>>> >>>>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. >>>>> Freebsd version is 12.2 >>>>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. >>>>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. >>>>> >>>>> The problem is: >>>>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. >>>>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it >> is >>>>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. >>>>> can not log into the server. >>>>> I am sure the password is right. >>>> >>>> >>>> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? >>>> >>>> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? It could be >>>> blocked by mismatch reverse DNS. 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MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.10.47:email]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::12a:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 10:49:30 -0000 My Stupid fault. Yes, your are right, the server I connected is not the right system. There is some issue network related. Has ask the ISP troubleshooting this case. Thanks all you.... On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 17:38 Yuri Pankov wrote: > PstreeM China wrote: > > my fault. > > the system i mentioned in the original question "FreeBSD 12.2" is the ssh > > server. > > for this case, the system which i used as the client is also FreeBSD > 12.2. > > > > test from other host(from different network ) as the client to ssh to > the " > > 2607:f130::6287", it's the same issue. > > test from the localhost (the host config the ipv6 address as > 2607:f130::628 > > ), use the command: %ssh myuser@2607:f130::628, it's work well. > > > > I don't know what is the problem, how to fix. > > That would mean, and the log you provided confirms, that you are > connecting to wrong system, "remote software version OpenSSH_7.4" is NOT > FreeBSD 12.2 sshd reply. For further investigation, you could provide > network configuration, i.e. `ifconfig`, `netstat -rn` output and > relevant rc.conf entries from both client and server. > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:47 PM Yuri Pankov wrote: > > > >> PstreeM China wrote: > >>> hi: > >>> > >>> thanks for your quickly reply. > >>> ssh -vvv log as below, we can see the connection has already > established, > >>> but after input the password, it's not work.. > >>> i'am sure the password is right, try modify the passwd has the same > >> issue. > >>> > >>> about the DNS PTRs, how should i do ? the source is my home pc, not > have > >>> DNS domain. > >>> > >>> -------------------------------- > >>> rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv > >>> OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 > >> [...] > >>> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 > >>> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version > OpenSSH_7.4 > >> [...] > >>> Permission denied, please try again. > >>> myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > >> > >> From your original question it's not clear whether FreeBSD 12.2 system > >> is the client or server, and given the above I'm guessing it's the > >> former as remote version doesn't say "FreeBSD" and is otherwise > >> outdated; correct? > >> > >> Also, are you able to connect to 2607:f130::6287 from any other host to > >> make sure it's correct address to use and is accepting v6 connections? > >> > >>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre > wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: > >>>>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the > >>>>> solution to fix this issue. > >>>>> > >>>>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. > >>>>> Freebsd version is 12.2 > >>>>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. > >>>>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. > >>>>> > >>>>> The problem is: > >>>>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. > >>>>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it > >> is > >>>>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. > >>>>> can not log into the server. > >>>>> I am sure the password is right. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? > >>>> > >>>> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? It could be > >>>> blocked by mismatch reverse DNS. > > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 13:12:32 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7916546951 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:12:32 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbKtR5tVRz4SRD for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:12:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) From: "@lbutlr" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Freebsd-upgrade for 12.2 fails Message-Id: <81C89270-2144-4CDB-9532-CEA1ED38BB8F@kreme.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 06:12:29 -0700 To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbKtR5tVRz4SRD X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:12:32 -0000 I forgot to upgrade a machine last month and when trying to do so today = after running `freebsd-upgrade fetch` and verifying I was on the latest = versions of 12.1 (I am, -p13) I get this: # freebsd-update -r 12-2-release upgrade Looking up update.FreeBSD.org mirrors... 3 mirrors found. Fetching metadata signature for 12.1-RELEASE from update2.freebsd.org... = done. Fetching metadata index... done. Inspecting system... done. The following components of FreeBSD seem to be installed: kernel/generic src/src world/base world/base-dbg world/doc world/lib32 The following components of FreeBSD do not seem to be installed: kernel/generic-dbg world/lib32-dbg Does this look reasonable (y/n)? y Fetching metadata signature for 12-2-release from update2.freebsd.org... = failed. Fetching metadata signature for 12-2-release from update4.freebsd.org... = failed. Fetching metadata signature for 12-2-release from update1.freebsd.org... = failed. No mirrors remaining, giving up. This may be because upgrading from this platform (amd64) or release (12-2-release) is unsupported by freebsd-update. Only platforms with Tier 1 support can be upgraded by freebsd-update. See https://www.freebsd.org/platforms/index.html for more info. If unsupported, FreeBSD must be upgraded by source. # uname -vm FreeBSD 12.1-RELEASE r354233 GENERIC amd64 What am I forgetting? (I checked the history on the machine hat WAS updated to 12.2 and that = is the command I ran followed by install and then install again, which = seems right, but that machine is not running x64) --=20 Rule 1: To every rule there is an exception. 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SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[91.238.160.176:from:127.0.2.255]; HAS_X_GMSV(0.00)[mailpool@milibyte.co.uk]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:37:38 -0000 On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:10:34 GMT Michael Schuster wrote: > On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 5:30 PM Mike Clarke > wrote: > > On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:53:27 GMT Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > There's an important difference between beadm and bectl which seems > > > relevant here. beadm defaults to accepting a tree of ZFSes as a boot > > > environment, whereas bectl only applies to the ZFS at the top level of > > > the boot environment unless you use the -r flag. > > > > That probably accounts for a discrepancy that I always see between beadm > > list > > and bectl list for my BE which has child datasets: > > > > curlew:/tmp% beadm list > > BE Active Mountpoint Space Created > > fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 > > fbsd12.2a - - 133.0M 2020-12-24 11:20 > > fbsd12.2b - - 18.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 > > fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 > > fbsd12.2d NR / 39.4G 2021-02-05 10:46 > > curlew:/tmp% bectl list > > BE Active Mountpoint Space Created > > fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 > > fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 > > fbsd12.2b - - 2.80M 2021-01-02 09:50 > > fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 > > fbsd12.2d NR / 39.5G 2021-02-05 10:46 > > strangely, I don't see such a difference: > > bectl: > BE_20210205_121021_CURRENT14 - - 81.6M 2021-02-05 12:10 > BE_20210205_181224_CURRENT14 - - 49.9M 2021-02-05 18:12 > BE_20210206_102540_CURRENT14 - - 153M 2021-02-06 10:25 > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.9G 2021-02-06 17:53 > BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - - 31.9M 2021-02-08 20:49 > > beadm: > BE_20210205_121021_CURRENT14 - - 81.6M 2021-02-05 12:10 > BE_20210205_181224_CURRENT14 - - 49.9M 2021-02-05 18:12 > BE_20210206_102540_CURRENT14 - - 152.3M 2021-02-06 10:25 > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.9G 2021-02-06 17:53 > BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - - 31.9M 2021-02-08 20:49 > > as you can see, the difference is negligable ... > > is there some zpool or zfs property I need to set so that be(ctl|adm) (with > appropriate options if need be) will create a recursive boot environment? A possible explanation for the lack of any discrepancy with your system may be that there might have been relatively small changes between your BEs which were all created within a few days of each other. In my case there was a significant change between fbsd12.1y and fbsd12.2a when I upgraded from 12.1 RELEASE to 12,2 RELEASE and there would have been a big change in the child dataset for /usr which I suspect bectl is not including in the total. All my BEs were created with beadm which is always recursive. Most of the options for the datasets in my BEs are default ones apart from noatime and compression on all datasets and noexec and nosuid for a few datasets. Here's the filesystems for a typical BE: NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d 39.5G 75.6G 1.54G / ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/usr 31.2G 75.6G 10.1G /usr ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/usr/ports 8.45G 75.6G 6.84G /usr/ports ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/usr/src 3.52G 75.6G 1.46G /usr/src ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var 6.50G 75.6G 1.63G /var ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/db 3.13G 75.6G 1.93G /var/db ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/db/pkg 776M 75.6G 83.6M /var/db/pkg ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/empty 104K 75.6G 96K /var/empty ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/tmp 1.03G 75.6G 128K /var/tmp Some datasets are created outside the BE to preserve data when switching between BEs. NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT home/DATA/var 2.87G 65.5G 31K none home/DATA/var/cache 867M 65.5G 31K none home/DATA/var/cache/pkg 867M 65.5G 866M /var/cache/pkg home/DATA/var/db 1.76G 65.5G 31K none home/DATA/var/db/mysql 1.76G 65.5G 1.01G /var/db/mysql home/DATA/var/log 275M 749M 201M /var/log home/DATA/var/mail 52K 65.5G 32K /var/mail I've been experimenting by switching between BEs created with beadm and bectl in an attempt to identify the reason for the discrepancies but I think that's just muddied the water instead of throwing light on things. After creating two BEs with 'bectl -r' and booting into the second one after activating it with bectl I would have expected the space for the active BE, bectl-test2, to be about 37.7G but this space is still attributed to the previously active BE, fbsd12.2d. The BEs are no longer displayed in date order by bectl, probably due to the difference in date format for the snapshots used by beadm and bectl. curlew:/home/mike% bectl list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created bectl-test - - 1.93M 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 NR / 1.82G 2021-02-10 10:10 fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 2.85M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 37.7G 2021-02-05 10:46 curlew:/home/mike% beadm list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 189.7M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 84.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 37.7G 2021-02-05 10:46 bectl-test - - 2.2M 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 NR / 1.8G 2021-02-10 10:10 I then rebooted after using beadm to create and activate beadm-test. Both bectl and beadm then showed 39.5G for the space attributed to the active BE beadm-test. curlew:/home/mike% bectl list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created beadm-test NR / 39.5G 2021-02-10 10:20 bectl-test - - 924K 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 - - 1.07M 2021-02-10 10:10 fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 2.85M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 1.18M 2021-02-05 10:46 curlew:/home/mike% beadm list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 189.7M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 84.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 1.2M 2021-02-05 10:46 bectl-test - - 1.8M 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 - - 2.1M 2021-02-10 10:10 beadm-test NR / 39.5G 2021-02-10 10:20 The next step was to use bectl to reactivate bectl-test2 and reboot which then left 37.7G attributed to the inactive beadm-test. curlew:/home/mike% bectl list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created beadm-test - - 37.7G 2021-02-10 10:20 bectl-test - - 924K 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 NR / 1.82G 2021-02-10 10:10 fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 2.85M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 1.18M 2021-02-05 10:46 curlew:/home/mike% beadm list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 189.7M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 84.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 1.2M 2021-02-05 10:46 bectl-test - - 1.8M 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 NR / 1.8G 2021-02-10 10:10 beadm-test - - 37.7G 2021-02-10 10:20 I then used beadm to reactivate bectl-test2 by using 'beadm activate beadm- test' followed by 'beadm activate bectl-test2' and rebooted with the result that both bectl and beadm then attributed 39.5G to the active BE, bectl- test2. curlew:/home/mike% bectl list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created beadm-test - - 1.45M 2021-02-10 10:20 bectl-test - - 924K 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 NR / 39.5G 2021-02-10 10:10 fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 2.85M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 1.18M 2021-02-05 10:46 curlew:/home/mike% beadm list BE Active Mountpoint Space Created fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 fbsd12.2a - - 189.7M 2020-12-24 11:20 fbsd12.2b - - 84.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 fbsd12.2d - - 1.2M 2021-02-05 10:46 bectl-test - - 1.8M 2021-02-10 09:54 bectl-test2 NR / 39.5G 2021-02-10 10:10 beadm-test - - 2.5M 2021-02-10 10:20 Surprisingly using bectl to repeat the process with 'bectl activate beadm- test' followed by 'bectl activate bectl-test2 resulted in 39.5G still being attributed to bectl-test2. Throughout all these tests bectl consistently showed the size of fbsd12.1y to be 61.3M and beadm showed 1.9G. So appears to be a significant difference in the way beadm and bectl account for the space used by BEs with child datasets. Perhaps this only shows when the BEs are not all created with the same program. I'll probably start using bectl to create the next few BEs and see what happens to the space values after the older beadm BEs get destroyed. Before long I'll be deleting fbsd12.1y and it will be interesting to see whether 1.9G or 61.3M get freed up if I use bectl to destroy it. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 16:58:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E7B554C353 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:58:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Received: from mail.covisp.net (mail.covisp.net [65.121.55.42]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbQv13tqnz4kHx for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:58:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kremels@kreme.com) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: Freebsd-upgrade for 12.2 fails From: "@lbutlr" In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:58:20 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <820022A3-DE2D-4B17-A128-1B1F73A388A9@kreme.com> References: <81C89270-2144-4CDB-9532-CEA1ED38BB8F@kreme.com> To: FreeBSD X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbQv13tqnz4kHx X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kremels@kreme.com designates 65.121.55.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kremels@kreme.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.39 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MISSING_MIME_VERSION(2.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[kreme.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[65.121.55.42:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.986]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:209, ipnet:65.112.0.0/12, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[65.121.55.42:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 16:58:22 -0000 On 10 Feb 2021, at 06:20, Herbert J. 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Message-ID: <20210210170247.52853d16@gumby.homeunix.com> In-Reply-To: <8b80d4a7-3fd3-b032-6d19-a940b3e736c4@panix.com> References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> <20210209145843.079389a3@gumby.homeunix.com> <8b80d4a7-3fd3-b032-6d19-a940b3e736c4@panix.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.8 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbR0B5j73z4l2Q X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[googlemail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[googlemail.com,quarantine]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32e:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[googlemail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[googlemail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[googlemail.com:s=20161025]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[92.15.61.44:received]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32e:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::32e:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:02:51 -0000 On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:30:24 -0500 Kurt Hackenberg wrote: > On 2/9/21 9:58 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: > > > I only use this gmail account for mailing list and only with a > > traditional MUA. I don't see any ads or give them anything that > > isn't already public. > > Google knows who you are across your use of all their services, by > identifying your computer(s). A separate Gmail account won't hide you > from that. > > For example, your use of Gmail for this list will affect what videos > Youtube suggests to you. I've never seen any evidence of that. I only get suggestions that are similar to videos I watched. I doubt google knows much about me, or their choice of adverts wouldn't be so laughable. Two years I spent a couple of minutes on their search engine (instead of DuckDuckGo) looking at garden shredders and got ads that were dominated by shredders for months. This is a minor improvement over ~15 years ago when I typed in "KDE packages fruit salad servers" and got several years worth of soft-fruit ads - mostly raspberries. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 17:15:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EDE854D20D for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DbRGH26svz4myF for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 48B9E54D136; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:03 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4869354D362 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from mail.nomadlogic.org (mail.nomadlogic.org [174.136.98.114]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.nomadlogic.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbRGG6mRdz4n8v for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from pete@nomadlogic.org) Received: from [192.168.1.160] (cpe-24-24-163-126.socal.res.rr.com [24.24.163.126]) by mail.nomadlogic.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id e2efcedd (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: Brightness cannot be set on Lenovo L15 ThinkPad To: Kevin Oberman , "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" References: From: Pete Wright Message-ID: <220cabf0-14ce-88b6-fc33-14c650607e1b@nomadlogic.org> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 09:15:00 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbRGG6mRdz4n8v X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:15:03 -0000 On 2/9/21 9:31 PM, Kevin Oberman wrote: > I can only guess that this may be an ACPI issue. > > I recently (last week) replaced my decade old T520 with a new ThinkPad L15 > with a 10th gen I5 CPU (Tiger Lake). I have everything working except the > WiFi (which I knew would not work) and setting brightness on the display. > > I have loaded acpi_ibm and it returns '0' for brightness. I tried > intel-backlight, which shows the brightness to be '0'. It does nothing, > either. > > I thought that I read that drm-fbsd13-kmod had the ability to do the job, > but I have no idea how to do anything with it. I do see sysctls for > hw.i915kms.enable_dpcd_backlight and invert_brightness, but I still have no > clue whether they are relevant. > > Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Hey there Kevin, I have a Thinkpad P43s with working backlight - on my end I load the both the acpi_ibm and acpi_video kernel modules.  One interesting nit is that I have to load the ibm kmod *before* the video kmod or things don't work.  Here's my kld_list from rc.conf: kld_list="cpuctl /boot/modules/i915kms.ko acpi_ibm acpi_video filemon" i also set my default brightness via sysctl.conf like so: hw.acpi.video.lcd0.brightness=40 My reading of the man pages is that acpi_ibm is used to enable the function keys to control brightness, volume control etc and acpi_video does manages the backlight brightness itself. Hope this helps, -pete -- Pete Wright pete@nomadlogic.org @nomadlogicLA From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 19:16:58 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E122F54F869 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:16:58 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: from mail-lf1-x136.google.com (mail-lf1-x136.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::136]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbTyx60LMz4vk7 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:16:57 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kudzu@tenebras.com) Received: by mail-lf1-x136.google.com with SMTP id u25so4547458lfc.2 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:16:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=O8Fk2XuXEZOdAavEIWnHnoC5ay5qBZXAXyf/pgV6oJo=; b=rlcA4cs1NRbR+2i6JVpSjqMQJl071AMJsHF5KhbdbpG96feH9q7lAIuhj7oF/WgCDK 7hCE4MXVP0CXX0cPeI0jsh3NQjMVSyrP2oHr0B3Llo21anytfBRlrAa4q4CCrF6f1I4w /Hf7/mWeUHTZGwSNrM5yWEF7mVK0pq4OnmHmLjIYk27ZKmRZgvz7vArxTc5ibX7mP9Co H11gpMNwUuWfyDiTt1DONXFOOnDeW0kdr9fv4y/udkwDaBcl5RXUkjgqQLVl0kHFfluM 2R0bSpj0+Q8WoEpKSs95cIel475OHKaQdaFbYCJFld6gMyLuyyHs5hCxB5Q7Q0NRi3ap rzoQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=O8Fk2XuXEZOdAavEIWnHnoC5ay5qBZXAXyf/pgV6oJo=; b=FxHFxVw84lvHajgauwgoL7MbPdGRYArGCJCdzI2OZgacgvHEm01ldi1KVykwcrW9Yu Td7KA17pKInDsTyh9ea/1SaEQQP1y1dYy6/M92RYgL/+PyKyysjqKx7Lbhpw5kVgCY6i cG9ZbiKMHMVLDuGIb2FuBRYpYITr/IqE+pZXkggQe3Jy7GHxsMom1DyOz8iNiVkNRNPd Tm1ZO95lIjx8YT/5ldg5XI6EUGTl1jGEbutOJV+iolz5r32PhOhFaGVnJ6BUgt3UoGAu hnR1VIXlsltAfFyiocQFAgbAAr8upZ4js92pd5pMzUOBcMUVxO//7CjzxKpSV7FwOPrD GZbw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531gGW27HBy+WnYhQFLgnLDTD3SK7odfx6L9F3V/s/0Qy4ZXq2C3 nJzOrEEOoqtRU7vv1u/PRche5OqU+fk0yqXGm1ISbAHnufCfLA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxubQxUx+/Sr7HmmTWVtWR3Q1SVsEuG4Z5GzC81uQqjiCD5YEjXOj5NpGshWgcxQMu6ZiQ0pOFYjcrYAX2AMAA= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:44da:: with SMTP id d26mr2373581lfm.306.1612984615257; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:16:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <65d54e7c-9d2c-ec74-1c1c-b0d87bfed6c1@yuripv.dev> <0fc3cba3-f5f8-c610-0065-296c73227c1f@yuripv.dev> In-Reply-To: From: Michael Sierchio Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 11:16:19 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Permission denied via ssh over ipv6 To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbTyx60LMz4vk7 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=rlcA4cs1; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kudzu@tenebras.com has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::136) smtp.mailfrom=kudzu@tenebras.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[tenebras.com]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::136:from:127.0.2.255]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[tenebras-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::136:from]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::136:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 19:16:58 -0000 On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 2:49 AM PstreeM China wrote: > My Stupid fault. > > Yes, your are right, the server I connected is not the right system. > > Not so stupid. IPv6 addresses are long. ;-) --=20 "Well," Brahm=C4=81 said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is = no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Wed Feb 10 20:04:33 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28BA85292AB for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:04:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (jacobs.geeks.org [204.153.247.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbW1r0trPz3GHH for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:04:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from merlyn@geeks.org) Received: from mail.geeks.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by after-clamsmtpd.geeks.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56E8B13C6D for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:04:30 -0600 (CST) Received: by mail.geeks.org (Postfix, from userid 1003) id 494FC13C6C; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:04:30 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 14:04:30 -0600 From: Doug McIntyre To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: Permission denied via ssh over ipv6 Message-ID: References: <65d54e7c-9d2c-ec74-1c1c-b0d87bfed6c1@yuripv.dev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbW1r0trPz3GHH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of merlyn@geeks.org designates 204.153.247.1 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=merlyn@geeks.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[204.153.247.1:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; SH_EMAIL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[0.0.10.47:email]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ptr]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[geeks.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[204.153.247.1:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DBL_PROHIBIT(0.00)[0.0.10.47:email]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7753, ipnet:204.153.244.0/22, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 20:04:33 -0000 And nothing interesting is logged into `/var/log/auth.log` ? Interesting. I can tell you that ssh works from 12.2 systems to other 12.2 systems over IPv6 for me. All my systems do have proper reverse-forward-reverse IPv6 DNS setup though. I don't know what the behavior is if it lacks reverse DNS in IPv6, but if there is a reverse that doesn't match a forward, then SSH will kick you out. You could always run a local nameserver that is authoritative for your IPv6 reverses as a test, but thats a large uptaking. On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 05:13:16PM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: > my fault. > the system i mentioned in the original question "FreeBSD 12.2" is the ssh > server. > for this case, the system which i used as the client is also FreeBSD 12.2. > > test from other host(from different network ) as the client to ssh to the " > 2607:f130::6287", it's the same issue. > test from the localhost (the host config the ipv6 address as 2607:f130::628 > ), use the command: %ssh myuser@2607:f130::628, it's work well. > > I don't know what is the problem, how to fix. > > BR//Ming > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 4:47 PM Yuri Pankov wrote: > > > PstreeM China wrote: > > > hi: > > > > > > thanks for your quickly reply. > > > ssh -vvv log as below, we can see the connection has already established, > > > but after input the password, it's not work.. > > > i'am sure the password is right, try modify the passwd has the same > > issue. > > > > > > about the DNS PTRs, how should i do ? the source is my home pc, not have > > > DNS domain. > > > > > > -------------------------------- > > > rpi% ssh myuser@2607:f130::6287 -vvv > > > OpenSSH_7.9p1, OpenSSL 1.1.1h-freebsd 22 Sep 2020 > > [...] > > > debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_7.9 FreeBSD-20200214 > > > debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_7.4 > > [...] > > > Permission denied, please try again. > > > myuser@2607:f130::6287's password: > > > > From your original question it's not clear whether FreeBSD 12.2 system > > is the client or server, and given the above I'm guessing it's the > > former as remote version doesn't say "FreeBSD" and is otherwise > > outdated; correct? > > > > Also, are you able to connect to 2607:f130::6287 from any other host to > > make sure it's correct address to use and is accepting v6 connections? > > > > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 1:18 PM Doug McIntyre wrote: > > > > > >> On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 11:47:08AM +0800, PstreeM China wrote: > > >>> Very thanks, this problem has searched from google, but not find the > > >>> solution to fix this issue. > > >>> > > >>> new install FreeBSD in virtual machine. > > >>> Freebsd version is 12.2 > > >>> Duel stack support ipv4 and ipv6; enable sshd as default. > > >>> I can ping the ipv4 and ipv6 address. > > >>> > > >>> The problem is: > > >>> SSH over ipv4 is work well. > > >>> But ssh over ipv6, Can be connected, but after input the password, it > > is > > >>> failed , give the notify : permission denied. > > >>> can not log into the server. > > >>> I am sure the password is right. > > >> > > >> > > >> Have you run 'ssh -vvv' to see all the very verbose debug information? > > >> > > >> Do you have proper DNS PTRs setup for your IPv6 block? 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Wed, 10 Feb 2021 13:32:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2476830.FrFBg55ix7@curlew> <2068084.5gTYqTD1LS@curlew> In-Reply-To: <2068084.5gTYqTD1LS@curlew> From: Michael Schuster Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 22:32:37 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Bootenv containing several filesystems To: Mike Clarke Cc: freeBSD Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbXzk4Sqyz3MgH X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=bYgyWQMq; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of michaelsprivate@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=michaelsprivate@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.02 / 15.00]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.98)[0.975]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:32:51 -0000 On Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 5:37 PM Mike Clarke wrote: > On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 19:10:34 GMT Michael Schuster wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2021 at 5:30 PM Mike Clarke > > > wrote: > > > On Tuesday, 9 February 2021 09:53:27 GMT Matthew Seaman wrote: > > > > There's an important difference between beadm and bectl which seems > > > > relevant here. beadm defaults to accepting a tree of ZFSes as a boot > > > > environment, whereas bectl only applies to the ZFS at the top level > of > > > > the boot environment unless you use the -r flag. > > > > > > That probably accounts for a discrepancy that I always see between > beadm > > > list > > > and bectl list for my BE which has child datasets: > > > > > > curlew:/tmp% beadm list > > > BE Active Mountpoint Space Created > > > fbsd12.1y - - 1.9G 2020-12-20 20:52 > > > fbsd12.2a - - 133.0M 2020-12-24 11:20 > > > fbsd12.2b - - 18.5M 2021-01-02 09:50 > > > fbsd12.2c - - 11.7M 2021-01-12 09:55 > > > fbsd12.2d NR / 39.4G 2021-02-05 10:46 > > > curlew:/tmp% bectl list > > > BE Active Mountpoint Space Created > > > fbsd12.1y - - 61.3M 2020-12-20 20:52 > > > fbsd12.2a - - 6.97M 2020-12-24 11:20 > > > fbsd12.2b - - 2.80M 2021-01-02 09:50 > > > fbsd12.2c - - 5.91M 2021-01-12 09:55 > > > fbsd12.2d NR / 39.5G 2021-02-05 10:46 > > > > strangely, I don't see such a difference: > > > > bectl: > > BE_20210205_121021_CURRENT14 - - 81.6M 2021-02-05 12:10 > > BE_20210205_181224_CURRENT14 - - 49.9M 2021-02-05 18:12 > > BE_20210206_102540_CURRENT14 - - 153M 2021-02-06 10:25 > > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.9G 2021-02-06 17:53 > > BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - - 31.9M 2021-02-08 20:49 > > > > beadm: > > BE_20210205_121021_CURRENT14 - - 81.6M 2021-02-05 12:10 > > BE_20210205_181224_CURRENT14 - - 49.9M 2021-02-05 18:12 > > BE_20210206_102540_CURRENT14 - - 152.3M 2021-02-06 10:25 > > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 NR / 30.9G 2021-02-06 17:53 > > BE_20210208_204901_CURRENT_14 - - 31.9M 2021-02-08 20:49 > > > > as you can see, the difference is negligable ... > > > > is there some zpool or zfs property I need to set so that be(ctl|adm) > (with > > appropriate options if need be) will create a recursive boot environment? > > [...] here may be a good explanation of some of what I'm seeing. Wheres you have: Here's the filesystems for a typical BE: > > NAME USED AVAIL REFER MOUNTPOINT > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d 39.5G 75.6G 1.54G / > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/usr 31.2G 75.6G 10.1G /usr > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/usr/ports 8.45G 75.6G 6.84G /usr/ports > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/usr/src 3.52G 75.6G 1.46G /usr/src > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var 6.50G 75.6G 1.63G /var > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/db 3.13G 75.6G 1.93G /var/db > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/db/pkg 776M 75.6G 83.6M /var/db/pkg > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/empty 104K 75.6G 96K /var/empty > ssd/ROOT/fbsd12.2d/var/tmp 1.03G 75.6G 128K /var/tmp > I have: $ zfs list | egrep 'BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14|src' tank/ROOT/BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 30.9G 340G 24.3G / tank/usr/src 2.32G 340G 2.26G /usr/src $ ... which I guess also explains why for me bectl list and beadm list produce similar output. my working zfs knowledge is a bit rusty; is there a trivial way of getting my /usr/{src|ports} under the current BE? thx Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 00:35:15 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78BDA52FD04 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:35:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) Received: from out2-59.antispamcloud.com (out2-59.antispamcloud.com [185.201.17.59]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dbd2B37jVz3p8f for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:35:14 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=out.niagahoster.com; s=spamexpert; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type :MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date: reply-to:sender:bcc; bh=0tydrJ/uzNhoi1DE7CJeaRTTCrjMHXM3CDY2H2MmT6M=; b=CtfpU aNW3TqDjDooNVfhWYMP3/oQOWer0gRK+jmi/6k44qd63BOvcJphi/SQFbPn75ARSOOtIrGINGgyuq iTh6dGOfTWIHiybVQxc7CvdjOlbQPSg/GXyXlEi3UkPKOW3c9H8SFyD5wZWhqWYBcvErWAP6BcVYu zO1rkifMvod45wRQzM8pyY9V5OAFGGbOoBYBjgAReQdorTToLIvaMnAT12AMCGz2P4Bow1erdFtxA EsTJDhkec0MhNrgMiFia/X0Nu84DHFuVxullPDyBC8ZZwYqOARqDY0aNmmSiDrugG9gGYWO3GB+8v TWrR9uo3PvjsoJaxDPhE3t4rJdXhg==; Received: from srv31.niagahoster.com ([153.92.8.106]) by mx163.antispamcloud.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l9zhZ-000gD6-Jr; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 01:19:23 +0100 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sumeritec.com; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type: MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender :Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From: Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help: List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=0tydrJ/uzNhoi1DE7CJeaRTTCrjMHXM3CDY2H2MmT6M=; b=kGU1je9gBkYym+Bdb7eXExbFmw 4yq/XLwWXiY3mNtouN1vAZAkMxv9O7xNcTTtUHEAAqjomXmriVEQom/UbzUR6x0Xph63omyf2ymyR 5Xulfxau6U3840ZHldM5Y1738kcU+hz2lgRp3St7cW3zBPE45ypTse99bN16lzhyxrcad6YLQ3rAo Yopkk6qbocOQKpuSuwPnhEzBIAW5Uvrk7gJubp2NLGQjfZ3U3I607nFpXbwCYMMv7FFsH3Vzh3JKk fvY2px7jqDsfTugHD62WqpX4nV30H0AujQiPOrHoCtueK+ma+dOI+TLyKyG2CZDDQanCmk1Nz191I EKjatOxw==; Received: from subs12-223-255-228-83.three.co.id ([223.255.228.83]:45756 helo=Ryzen1.sumeritec.com) by srv31.niagahoster.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1l9zhN-0007rk-Es; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 07:19:11 +0700 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 08:19:07 +0800 From: Erich Dollansky To: RW via freebsd-questions Cc: RW Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? 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I don't see any ads or give them anything that > > > isn't already public. > > > > Google knows who you are across your use of all their services, by > > identifying your computer(s). A separate Gmail account won't hide > > you from that. > > > > For example, your use of Gmail for this list will affect what > > videos Youtube suggests to you. > > I've never seen any evidence of that. I only get suggestions that > are similar to videos I watched. we work in a very specific field. When work-related e-mails land at our privat Google account, we get then links to paradise islands in the tropics. This takes a few weeks until a work-related e-mail arrives there again. > > I doubt google knows much about me, or their choice of adverts > wouldn't be so laughable. Two years I spent a couple of minutes on > their search engine (instead of DuckDuckGo) looking at garden > shredders and got ads that were dominated by shredders for months. > This is a minor improvement over ~15 years ago when I typed in "KDE > packages fruit salad servers" and got several years worth of > soft-fruit ads - mostly raspberries. Yes, they react much faster these days. Erich From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 00:55:22 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89D355303AA for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:55:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DbdTP52cmz3vSs for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:55:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.10.3] (cube.uchicago.edu [128.135.4.40]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0757B4E679; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 18:55:14 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: What are good mail hosts to use with FreeBSD mailing lists? From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20210210235831.765254e2.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 18:55:13 -0600 Cc: RW via freebsd-questions , RW Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1F27D6D7-3478-4750-B151-9BA03CFECECB@kicp.uchicago.edu> References: <25de0d19-1bb6-610f-c0cb-ef7721086902@panix.com> <24606.3187.85211.65015@jerusalem.litteratus.org> <587ffb90-4041-7e96-f9f7-0f0ff8827587@yuripv.dev> <20210209145843.079389a3@gumby.homeunix.com> <8b80d4a7-3fd3-b032-6d19-a940b3e736c4@panix.com> <20210210170247.52853d16@gumby.homeunix.com> <20210210235831.765254e2.freebsd.ed.lists@sumeritec.com> To: Erich Dollansky X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbdTP52cmz3vSs X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.40 / 15.00]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[freebsd.org,googlemail.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 00:55:22 -0000 > On Feb 10, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Erich Dollansky = wrote: >=20 > Hi, >=20 > On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 17:02:47 +0000 > RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >=20 >> On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 14:30:24 -0500 >> Kurt Hackenberg wrote: >>=20 >>> On 2/9/21 9:58 AM, RW via freebsd-questions wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I only use this gmail account for mailing list and only with a=20 >>>> traditional MUA. I don't see any ads or give them anything that=20 >>>> isn't already public. =20 >>>=20 >>> Google knows who you are across your use of all their services, by=20= >>> identifying your computer(s). A separate Gmail account won't hide >>> you from that. >>>=20 >>> For example, your use of Gmail for this list will affect what >>> videos Youtube suggests to you. =20 >>=20 >> I've never seen any evidence of that. I only get suggestions that >> are similar to videos I watched.=20 >=20 > we work in a very specific field. When work-related e-mails land at = our > privat Google account, we get then links to paradise islands in the > tropics. This takes a few weeks until a work-related e-mail arrives > there again. >>=20 >> I doubt google knows much about me, or their choice of adverts >> wouldn't be so laughable. Two years I spent a couple of minutes on >> their search engine (instead of DuckDuckGo) looking at garden >> shredders and got ads that were dominated by shredders for months. >> This is a minor improvement over ~15 years ago when I typed in "KDE >> packages fruit salad servers" and got several years worth of >> soft-fruit ads - mostly raspberries. =20 >=20 > Yes, they react much faster these days. These nuisances you can and do observe are quite benign compared to = those you can=E2=80=99t observe (and don=E2=80=99t care to imagine ;-) Valeri > Erich > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to = "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 04:26:02 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEEF539F65 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 04:26:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from nightmare.dreamchaser.org (ns.dreamchaser.org [66.109.141.57]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "dreamchaser.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dbk8T49mhz4j66 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 04:26:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Received: from breakaway.dreamchaser.org (breakaway [192.168.151.122]) by nightmare.dreamchaser.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 11B4Ppt0001898; Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:25:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from freebsd@dreamchaser.org) Reply-To: freebsd@dreamchaser.org Subject: Re: which linux libfuse.so.2? To: Pete Wright , FreeBSD Mailing List References: <79254130-e926-fab3-9d5b-b6862c6b747b@dreamchaser.org> <8e50ba4b-a419-0d60-c2b5-1c379e2dc604@nomadlogic.org> <51a444f0-c920-1764-0480-ca99e2ac8186@nomadlogic.org> From: Gary Aitken Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:21:21 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <51a444f0-c920-1764-0480-ca99e2ac8186@nomadlogic.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (nightmare.dreamchaser.org [192.168.151.101]); Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:25:52 -0700 (MST) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dbk8T49mhz4j66 X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@dreamchaser.org designates 66.109.141.57 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@dreamchaser.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.30 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@dreamchaser.org]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; REPLYTO_ADDR_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[dreamchaser.org]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[66.109.141.57:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:21947, ipnet:66.109.128.0/19, country:US]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 04:26:02 -0000 I'm still trying to get my head around what's going on here. I *thought* the /compat/linux stuff was meant to work with fbsd stuff to some extent... On 2/9/21 9:03 PM, Pete Wright wrote: > On 2/9/21 7:23 PM, Gary Aitken wrote: >> >> Is there a way to run /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd to figure out what >> it is really looking for? I get the same error whether the symlink >> for libfuse.so.2 is present or not. If I try to run the linux ldd >> I get: >> >> $ /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd >> PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage bash: >> /compat/linux/usr/bin/ldd: /usr/bin/bash: bad interpreter: No such >> file or directory >> >> There is no /usr/bin/bash (it's in /usr/local/bin/bash), but there >> is a /compat/linux/usr/bin/bash. >> > you might want to chroot into the /compat/linux environment like this > for example: $ sudo chroot /compat/linux /usr/bin/bash > > that should make tools like ldd friendlier while you debug. Not sure if this is friendlier or not :-(: $ sudo chroot /compat/linux /usr/bin/bash /$ cd /home/garya/ /home/garya$ ./PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage dlopen(): error loading libfuse.so.2 AppImages require FUSE to run. You might still be able to extract the contents of this AppImage if you run it with the --appimage-extract option. /home/garya$ ldd PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage ELF binary type "3" not known. /bin/ldd: line 161: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: cannot execute binary file not a dynamic executable So, I exploded the .AppImage, which leaves a subtree squashfs-root with a script "AppRun" which basically runs usr/bin/prusa-slicer. So /home/garya$ cd squashfs-root/ /home/garya/squashfs-root$ ./AppRun /home/garya/squashfs-root/usr/bin/bin/prusa-slicer: error while loading shared libraries: libGLU.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory /home/garya/squashfs-root$ ldd /usr/bin/prusa-slicer ELF binary type "3" not known. /bin/ldd: line 161: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: cannot execute binary file not a dynamic executable I don't understand why bin/ldd is a script in compat/linux, which tries to execute a shared library, but even if that made sense... It appears the binary file prusa-slicer is looking for libGLU.so.1, which is not in the /compat/linux tree. Am I correct that running with this linux compatibility mode is restricted to stuff in /compat/linux? If the .AppImage is supposed to be a self-contained binary executable which can run on any linux system, then what does "self-contained" mean? Does it mean "only self-contained enough that libraries we think are on all linux systems by default are not included."? > you also might want to give setting your LD_LIBRARY_PATH when > executing the command from freebsd to include the linux locations and > see how far you get: $ > LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/compat/linux/lib:/compat/linux/lib64 > PrusaSlicer... my default environment has no LD_LIBRARY_PATH; I think that's normal in fbsd, correct? In any case, the following still does not find libfuse when run from fbsd: $ LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/compat/linux/lib:/compat/linux/lib64:/usr/local/lib:/usr/lib ./PrusaSlicer-2.3.0+linux-x64-202101111322.AppImage dlopen(): error loading libfuse.so.2 This feels like the whole concept of .AppImage doesn't play well with the compat/linux environment. I guess it is time to upgrade to 12.x and try the ubuntu linuxulator... 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SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[91.238.160.176:from:127.0.2.255]; HAS_X_GMSV(0.00)[mailpool@milibyte.co.uk]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:20:58 -0000 On Wednesday, 10 February 2021 21:32:37 GMT Michael Schuster wrote: > I have: > > $ zfs list | egrep 'BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14|src' > tank/ROOT/BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 30.9G 340G 24.3G / > tank/usr/src 2.32G 340G 2.26G /usr/src > $ > > ... which I guess also explains why for me bectl list and beadm list > produce similar output. > > my working zfs knowledge is a bit rusty; is there a trivial way of getting > my /usr/{src|ports} under the current BE? > thx Something like this should work, assuming BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 is the currently active BE. It's based on memory of what I did in the past for something similar so I can't be 100% certain that it will work for you but it should provide a usable guide. Make sure you have a backup and check that each step does what was expected before going to the next. # Move /usr/src temporarily out of the way umount /usr/src mount -t zfs tank/usr/src /mnt # Make sure the directory /usr/src exists. Create a new empty directory if it doesn't. If it exists and isn't empty delete the contents. # Move existing data /usr/src into the BE mv /mnt/usr/src/* /usr/src # Check that all went well and destroy the old /usr/src dataset umount /mnt zfs destroy tank/usr/src The contents of your original /usr/src should now be included in BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 and all new BEs created from it but NOT in any of your other BEs or their descendants. You will need to reinstall it from the corresponding svn or git revision in each of the other BEs if you want to use them. -- Mike Clarke From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 14:25:04 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF9D5299B9 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl) Received: from poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (cloudzeeland.xs4all.nl [83.161.133.58]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "cloudzeeland.nl", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbzRh0kNwz3pqn for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:25:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl) Received: from poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (cloudzeeland.nl [10.10.10.36]) by poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811911D284 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:24:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.10.10.34] (pion1.rpicloud.nl [82.176.127.71]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by poseidon.cloudzeeland.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4B3601D205 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:24:55 +0100 (CET) To: FreeBSD Mailing List From: Jos Chrispijn Subject: Tail on logfile Organization: Userland rocks! Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:24:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbzRh0kNwz3pqn X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl designates 83.161.133.58 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=bsduser@cloudzeeland.nl X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[83.161.133.58:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cloudzeeland.nl]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[83.161.133.58:from:127.0.2.255]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:3265, ipnet:83.160.0.0/14, country:NL]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:25:04 -0000 I watch some logfiles activities with the 'tail' command. Can someone tell me how to ignore 'logfile turnover ' at 00:00, thus keep showing logfile output instead of executing this tail command line again? Thanks, Jos From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 14:26:18 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4086529BC3 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:26:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@osfux.nl) Received: from vm1982.osfux.nl (vm1982.osfux.nl [79.99.187.212]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbzT56KBJz3qJx for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:26:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mail@osfux.nl) Received: from vm1982.osfux.nl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vm1982.osfux.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A42EC220 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:26:09 +0100 (CET) X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none shortcircuit=no X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 Received: from [192.168.9.195] (unknown [185.59.222.117]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by vm1982.osfux.nl (Postfix) with ESMTPSA for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:26:09 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: Tail on logfile To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Ruben Message-ID: <2d8d8602-a5d1-dc4a-2f7f-ff9c56397575@osfux.nl> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:26:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.10.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbzT56KBJz3qJx X-Spamd-Bar: --- X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[79.99.187.212:from]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[osfux.nl:s=default]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[79.99.187.212:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[osfux.nl:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[osfux.nl,reject]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8315, ipnet:79.99.184.0/21, country:NL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 14:26:18 -0000 Hi Jos, You could try -F as parameter. 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Greetings, I downloaded FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img from the website https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.2/ and ran on a linux machine the command "dd if= of= " to form a live freebsd usb. usb is 16 GB of size and sandisk cruzer blade 2.0 On bios options secure boot is disabled and fTpm is turned off. Chose from boot menu to install from usb, a screen quickly appeared and disappeared and I was back at the boot menu. I am wondering what I am doing wrong so that free bsd does not work or the computer does not start with free bsd. Thank you in advance, Semih Ozlem From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 13:38:08 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C15845284B6 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:38:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from semihozlemlinuxuser@gmail.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf33.google.com (mail-qv1-xf33.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DbyPX0Vq5z3m3P for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:38:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from semihozlemlinuxuser@gmail.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf33.google.com with SMTP id v19so2521125qvl.7 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 05:38:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ATa78QLpK4//Qidwk4fjcKqL16jZCo97S2U3Cor07zM=; b=LBEAurvK7WViJQD19q0BC3C2pfa9W48un7NxYD15ripxOz7W80dd2ahn3PsnkOKX44 sxeDa19wSwkLOwRwPXLlWViLWNP6P6X3SfWjgNgZeuPknDSVmjVGdrnOcmoWMFbDH4N0 HX2PRqFXiAwK4Wx2MGXVMbgV24hy1LpK6zDSv5p1IRCwnehJZE94EPiaUJTjY45ZbL9E zKPVBYIZIkQJ+SFodddggyRJWcjEn50H464yPUaizA9TJFRU6hdqaK/QSpmqlSdse8Cw YEMSq1wk54ZPg1H+rUqyPizVRQ/q//fv4ZTJfo2axmDYAHe8eh7lbpwkGOHUCL09Xq2p nIpQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=ATa78QLpK4//Qidwk4fjcKqL16jZCo97S2U3Cor07zM=; b=qPcNxQMDe5uP6bnHD2d2Iuw26S/8oHdI8cOrcH+JjlcIonMOxUPn3YPpYowibFeDhu uaMXzI4AiWXz8AEr58PXJYnvxVHRI/24Q6x5rzInJQO4jt1ka4m6Yesdgmw3xf5Jw8jr wib1+OUgRY1DFQXygx+BXuYCce+MsvDqiftN+9UvVfUU3rn1kTXg7lLYPiYWIH1oB7mi qfdeOI6x9xuEyB9cgXVaeyho60WDPkhnAE56Xp2uc046aXbLf9RlUSDS6lFyDTAMO6+I x1d+Iddk/Iycf7ZcOFEnATMCmYJky6NmaZtaqeAwIfKPpCbiJ0dglIqf+iXzLWZweOzd mBbA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533NlPtHOHrAz5xooW08PpIY4EOqo+jpBwrVijxolZrLWeGgO8DR 5qyrwTFNhapUnMEQcrPbcB4K72+jaNnH628ay/Sj1sixMGQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy79T+onv4AGTzDs7uj4+gP8Bcf3/f7UwgDXZeOp/s3MNm9fA69aT3hI//U9FKR5PZR8nsci3naNJb4EYt8tB8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:574:: with SMTP id cj20mr7525085qvb.37.1613050686852; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 05:38:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Semih Ozlem Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:37:55 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: subscription To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DbyPX0Vq5z3m3P X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=LBEAurvK; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of semihozlemlinuxuser@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=semihozlemlinuxuser@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.00 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DATE_IN_FUTURE(4.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f33:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:07:40 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 13:38:08 -0000 I would like to be subscribed to the list, and I used the web form to subscribe already, but have not received a reply yet. Semih Ozlem From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 19:33:03 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4D2532C38 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:03 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from holgerdanske.com (holgerdanske.com [IPv6:2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "www.holgerdanske.com", Issuer "www.holgerdanske.com" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dc6H21Zbtz4hyy for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dpchrist@holgerdanske.com) Received: from 99.100.19.101 (99-100-19-101.lightspeed.frokca.sbcglobal.net [99.100.19.101]) by holgerdanske.com with ESMTPSA (TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:TLSv1.3:Kx=any:Au=any:Enc=AESGCM(128):Mac=AEAD) (SMTP-AUTH username dpchrist@holgerdanske.com, mechanism PLAIN) for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 11:32:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Fwd: free bsd kurulum ve live dosyasi usb de calismiyor. To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: David Christensen Message-ID: <8a5040a4-7474-3c77-e06a-e1fe02f4375d@holgerdanske.com> Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 11:32:49 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc6H21Zbtz4hyy X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of dpchrist@holgerdanske.com has no SPF policy when checking 2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b) smtp.mailfrom=dpchrist@holgerdanske.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.05 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2001:470:0:19b::b869:801b:from:127.0.2.255]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.953]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[holgerdanske.com]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6939, ipnet:2001:470::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:33:03 -0000 On 2021-02-11 10:35, Semih Ozlem wrote: > Subject: free bsd live does not work. > > Greetings, > > I downloaded FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img from the website > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.2/ > and ran on a linux machine the command "dd if= of= " to form a live freebsd > usb. usb is 16 GB of size and sandisk cruzer blade 2.0 That URL is for a directory, not a file: https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.2/ What file did you download? Did you verify the checksum of the file after downloading? The command "dd if= of= " is not valid: 2021-02-11 11:26:45 dpchrist@tinkywinky ~ $ dd if= of= dd: failed to open '': No such file or directory What command did you invoke? Did you verify the checksum of the USB flash drive after copying the image to it? > On bios options secure boot is disabled and fTpm is turned off. What is the make and model of your computer? What options does it have -- processor, memory, drive(s), graphics, etc.? > Chose from boot menu to install from usb, a screen quickly appeared and > disappeared and I was back at the boot menu. Use a video camera to record what is displayed on the screen quickly. Please post what the screen says. 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boundary="KMhH05n1umsb5M7JP7GuBEG8pgOLlHSWc"; protected-headers="v1" From: =?UTF-8?Q?G=c3=b6k=c5=9fin_Akdeniz?= To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: Fwd: free bsd kurulum ve live dosyasi usb de calismiyor. References: In-Reply-To: --KMhH05n1umsb5M7JP7GuBEG8pgOLlHSWc Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------27637AAFFE48B53B7F6768E2" Content-Language: tr This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------27637AAFFE48B53B7F6768E2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Probably you typed right command with wrong parameters Consult the "Handbook". https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/bsdinstall/#bsdinstall-pre or "Availability" Section on https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.2R/announce/ 11.02.2021 21:35 tarihinde Semih Ozlem yazd=C4=B1: > Subject: free bsd live does not work. >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > I downloaded FreeBSD-12.2-RELEASE-amd64-memstick.img from the website > https://download.freebsd.org/ftp/releases/amd64/amd64/ISO-IMAGES/12.2/ > and ran on a linux machine the command "dd if=3D of=3D " to form a live= freebsd > usb. usb is 16 GB of size and sandisk cruzer blade 2.0 >=20 > On bios options secure boot is disabled and fTpm is turned off. >=20 > Chose from boot menu to install from usb, a screen quickly appeared and= > disappeared and I was back at the boot menu. > I am wondering what I am doing wrong so that free bsd does not work or = the > computer does not start with free bsd. > Thank you in advance, >=20 > Semih Ozlem > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd= =2Eorg" >=20 --------------27637AAFFE48B53B7F6768E2-- --KMhH05n1umsb5M7JP7GuBEG8pgOLlHSWc-- --qj9Je3G5mezeLbOlgeycvk0lJHFVfi6TT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:09:04 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Kevin Oberman Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 21:08:48 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: automount documentation To: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcM3j4mRfz3wFH X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=GGTMyhoA; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of kob6558@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=kob6558@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.70 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[rkoberman@gmail.com,kob6558@gmail.com]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.998]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::22b:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 05:09:06 -0000 Is there documentation somewhereon setting up automount/automountd? The only one I found is an old Forums post on a rather old version of automount from when it was a port.. Beyond that, the man pages are useful, but not really what I was hoping for. I searched and found no mention of automount in the Handbook at all. I'm pretty sure that I had a tutorial a year ago when I tried setting up automount, but I really didn't need it then. Now it would be extremely handy. -- Kevin Oberman, Part time kid herder and retired Network Engineer E-mail: rkoberman@gmail.com PGP Fingerprint: D03FB98AFA78E3B78C1694B318AB39EF1B055683 From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Thu Feb 11 20:32:34 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FC15348D4 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:32:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rukklespc@gmail.com) Received: from mail-io1-xd2a.google.com (mail-io1-xd2a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dc7bj3t0Sz4mBN for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:32:33 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from rukklespc@gmail.com) Received: by mail-io1-xd2a.google.com with SMTP id q7so7116592iob.0 for ; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:32:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=65+GLAtw0DY51yOhUN9OiJ7CJI9KI7tUZv19LgU9Da4=; b=dZqun6NIhdUWyHNu/xfcjmhIRpHDEfbMFYHAi+vXAUU+j5X7xmPwiFCSZH0ITlV/3E IU1eP42KKXApXk2O0/H6fnjmDTzRKR63LDyC0iAPxVLUuCisMmZuHTUzdj+3X4swirwD qrFXM7A7gjW562W1FDIxqpylicTBwfpm4SmJg3V8DDrte08tRK8dzSL4FSrEKuHJ61eA 70dY1mtE4MNJF2Dpc8bZsZ9U0Gqjh4Q1tXclDFcaN02ohBW/dZjXZ7Dpwd18YyR71S/j D4hmDdV2JEWGJKSicxdXKOqdrSHfVt105NUoWrW4LEB+STYw1ZxgxeUk1WNllrh/ckwZ n2Sw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=65+GLAtw0DY51yOhUN9OiJ7CJI9KI7tUZv19LgU9Da4=; b=SwP0juvG+qEOQnsNuALg2OruTqv2WgufQBfplPQyuP2RMowM5pmq5SsW1B5q/il2MI hWlrrPhyB10bwzifBPNn0TWfoK3cmoAsxR/LBeRyZDIpcWwx/gQrdiOPhlIVhNXn596s 2bxM0PLUjPYgUvZMRTHEKNTJ0P8jX+1YtbfbxA6RROquX2hbl/R0EXARoUWPHlQEmwPY Z519+1cFBlE5NX2E2QUJwafhAH2SuCwnfb4suh161A76DtCkldmjS8lYX3hZpF1dI4Vu 8QZv0p0VNfdXbpe6c3jpZ7+c7LH5rqECYJwGQtnq/qYGG0Kwo9uM80nHey1QbG6Ej8NS GVYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530aloIv2DZfOM3PD1nTnSw7awrHi1bfBQHrZz+s9MmLUDuqPb+B 0wfJ5IbjtTYH6zDen74lZPrgW5Mg73J2QzIbFDAvVdHsUIM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzc6O0gGZYMtmtG3scuB5NxYmcFVoBS/KWI5YGapYZBB4mnrdB7psAnkWLnBWdWwxh7W0BE5chP8o9TE9+H+k8= X-Received: by 2002:a5d:8d92:: with SMTP id b18mr7127763ioj.167.1613075552181; Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:32:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: david russell Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:32:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dc7bj3t0Sz4mBN X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=dZqun6NI; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of rukklespc@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=rukklespc@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.95 / 15.00]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.95)[-0.952]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a:from]; EMPTY_SUBJECT(1.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 06:20:07 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 20:32:34 -0000 File system!I recently installed version 11.4. The format only gave me 1 complete file system.I have installed 6.1 freebsd it allowed speakers partitions,which I think is better! I tried to get the partition manager, to create separate partitions,couldn't do it! I don't like the new partition sceme. You should go back to the other partition manager like freebsd6.1 had! I tried to install version 12,it wouldn't go past the partition manager! The partition manager does not allow choices in the file setup,ie dump,srv,fake root,nfs. In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. Q:can you give an option in version 14?regarding format choices. Thank you. David Russell From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 08:04:27 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DCBB5477F4 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DcQy31QNVz4Zjq for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2E4F25477F3; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E16C547A22 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:27 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [IPv6:2a01:4f9:4a:1fd8::17]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcQy271Chz4ZXN for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jacques+freebsd@foucry.net) Received: from mail.foucry.net (unknown [192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47F833EC2 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at foucry.net Received: from mail.foucry.net ([192.168.12.17]) by mail.foucry.net (mail.foucry.net [192.168.12.17]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ra6XJS7o_yxQ for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.foucry.net (Postfix, from userid 58) id 2C2B333BFF; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:18 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1613117058; bh=M4uOkB3yk8mcFoluie1jdwc6+7XCmni929zDfv1qKc8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=aGo0c2/jVFgMThodi8M0FhCCEFq/muwdeHg1YmNmT1ee4DIOdR/GwwNZDMXYquuUi BoAhTo87H8kLlgJ535ago3p92GbdtZUCAPy8L/S5gJBZ9Vpk+ik+EUfrZlyD0maCVY 3w88ap7Ep/If5nuzZHNPXLXbq37jX86zQpca/LS0= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (lfbn-dij-1-1138-109.w90-125.abo.wanadoo.fr [90.125.86.109]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-384) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E55BD34323; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:15 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=foucry.net; s=dkim; t=1613117056; bh=M4uOkB3yk8mcFoluie1jdwc6+7XCmni929zDfv1qKc8=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=nbVrzLXxpjX9gS/lXYwoe9pVxYIyCl8MXTalE0tC75c/RzGZ7+fOGpDj+/XrDJ7AC V+HJ9/jnfBwbozfXp9CwJxVnaZKvK2lamjMEnsEYrr1oqulpFo5GKffScJ1TslymTp R0blOfas3I9cNSOEGDtzYty4XD5dtLVQuulJTOfY= Received: from mithril.foucry.net (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by mithril.foucry.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 68B37682C6; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:04:15 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:04:14 +0100 From: Jacques Foucry To: Kevin Oberman Cc: "freebsd-questions@freebsd.org" Subject: Re: automount documentation Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcQy271Chz4ZXN X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[freebsd]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:04:27 -0000 Le jeudi 11 févr. 2021 à 21:08:48 (-0800), Kevin Oberman à écrit: Hello, > Is there documentation somewhereon setting up automount/automountd? The > only one I found is an old Forums post on a rather old version of automount > from when it was a port.. Beyond that, the man pages are useful, but not > really what I was hoping for. I searched and found no mention of automount > in the Handbook at all. > > I'm pretty sure that I had a tutorial a year ago when I tried setting up > automount, but I really didn't need it then. Now it would be extremely > handy. Have seen this: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/freebsd-desktop-part-17-automount-removable-media/ -- Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 08:43:01 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019E954881F for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcRpX0Yzfz4cZD for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.12.37.137]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1N1OsF-1luZ7j2Qpv-012swK; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:42:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 09:42:56 +0100 From: Polytropon To: david russell Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20210212094256.50b660a2.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: References: Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SGfHrSm3mN8cyKA7xSfvNuaFqYNZJ8SCa5gMzlxdwxU5C/pO9hB puPf1fAQovUkpRmQ3wlL5whx+HTpFBLveGZLurjX7GHlxob1GtVvxI6B7e9hzCNVst9n26Q NyxCPJmXdLKziNdC995iDLJkpIsB2ZBLnVhUhnuUh211GJ+RCiFmsRgoWBRRPBpGDDXHVZT U/cRfCQdvqaN5nMfXLnkA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:AHljsBPfVs0=:PWZZ+t7Yl6Ao/41a8NWbGq 3xLWd7vGoMvHfdocYQX1TBa6mJ99lIexAt1w7Uw/BSPDz8mRYjOMMJVaZpUxguijZnc8+nmzW nyi7ZI5AVsG5b/C1EOIjnL7W1IxL9RMzn9YE1cTvR7kL7rB/N7JuYPh7w2qm/6pEr6Hl/YGne v7fPADPpn/vLq567lEf6CNU3ra13u5eDQfLUE2v4fsukREQvikS3AtCGOeG8LERrdkTKUgLW8 fyGDUgF4P74nBOVU2MAdAbpsKqKxrJL5SmyzQdO6FiQ6P2ytsU8CuizDYSTnrSQN61+b6fWzg Ji1lMWEk/tuuijp6jZilMxjse7eGslR0CFTf87owPqjnlftMO8U5U95RgsYebZVc6/1R7+FAu gor4nwMBj8C5nf2oEaYADir2V9D9SLB/RuL2AO8msuwS8Ib8bnw30n8qqOYXD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcRpX0Yzfz4cZD X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-0.56 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[178.12.37.137:received]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.96)[-0.964]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.126.131:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:43:01 -0000 On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:32:26 -0500, david russell wrote: > File system! That should probably have been the subject. Note that in some cases, messages without a subject will be considered spam. :-) > I recently installed version 11.4. > The format only gave me 1 complete file system.I have installed 6.1 > freebsd it allowed speakers partitions,which I think is better! Depends. But yes, functionally separate partitions often are a better solution than "all in one". ;-) > I tried to get the partition manager, to create separate > partitions,couldn't do it! Use "Manual" from the bsdinstall program to create partitions and assign mountpoints. See chapter 2.6. of The FreeBSD Handbook: https://docs.freebsd.org/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-partitioning.html > You should go back to the other partition manager like freebsd6.1 had! I think that was still sysinstall, which is no longer supported or used. The installation process uses bsdinstall now. > I tried to install version 12,it wouldn't go past the partition manager! Did you receive any useful error message? > The partition manager does not allow choices in the file setup,ie > dump,srv,fake root,nfs. Some of those options can be changed with bsdinstall, too. However, bsdinstall does not cover as many things as sysinstall did. But there are several post-install things you can configure interactively (services and settings) with bsdinstall. Compare chapter 2.8. of The FreeBSD Handbook: https://docs.freebsd.org/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/bsdinstall-post.html > In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. Depends. For certain kinds of systems (usually home PCs) it seems to be the most convenient approach. > Q:can you give an option in version 14?regarding format choices. FreeBSD 14 will surely still use bsdinstall. More information here: https://wiki.freebsd.org/BSDInstall -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... 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[88.105.96.80]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f8sm11283113wrp.65.2021.02.12.11.16.33 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:16:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: automount documentation To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: From: Graham Perrin Message-ID: <6b617ae7-861d-eb33-dbd1-6ec734e3e53f@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:16:33 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dcjsc6m2cz3mj3 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=K47jKfbf; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of grahamperrin@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::334 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=grahamperrin@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[88.105.96.80:received]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::334:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:16:37 -0000 On 12/02/2021 08:04, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Le jeudi 11 févr. 2021 à 21:08:48 (-0800), Kevin Oberman à écrit: > Hello, > >> Is there documentation somewhereon setting up automount/automountd? The >> only one I found is an old Forums post on a rather old version of automount >> from when it was a port.. Beyond that, the man pages are useful, but not >> really what I was hoping for. I searched and found no mention of automount >> in the Handbook at all. >> >> I'm pretty sure that I had a tutorial a year ago when I tried setting up >> automount, but I really didn't need it then. Now it would be extremely >> handy. > > Have seen this: https://vermaden.wordpress.com/2018/10/11/freebsd-desktop-part-17-automount-removable-media/ > I recently edited my /etc/rc.conf to include these lines: # enable autofs(8), sysutils/automount or sysutils/dsbmd -- no more than one # autofs_enable="NO" # dsbmd_enable="NO" I'm currently experimenting with sysutils/automount (not to be confused with the automount feature that's integral to FreeBSD) on FreeBSD 14.0-CURRENT. As far as I can tell it works, but it's not entirely compatible with the Removable Devices feature of KDE Plasma. In the example below, a Dolphin window to the file system opened automatically shortly after connecting the USB drive: % tail -f -n 0 /var/log/messages Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: ugen0.8: at usbus0 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: umass1 on uhub1 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: umass1: on usbus0 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: umass1:  SCSI over Bulk-Only; quirks = 0xc100 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: umass1:4:1: Attached to scbus4 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: da1 at umass-sim1 bus 1 scbus4 target 0 lun 0 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: da1: Removable Direct Access SCSI device Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: da1: Serial Number 070B29D2DF235960 Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: da1: 40.000MB/s transfers Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: da1: 3815MB (7814304 512 byte sectors) Feb 12 19:07:24 mowa219-gjp4-8570p kernel: da1: quirks=0x2 ^C % lsblk da1 DEVICE         MAJ:MIN SIZE TYPE LABEL MOUNT da1              2:33  3.7G GPT - -            -:-    47K -                                     - -   da1p1          2:34  3.7G ms-basic-data gpt/Basic /media/da1p1            -:-   1.5M -                                     - - % pkg info --list sysutils/automount automount-1.7.2:         /usr/local/etc/automount.conf.sample         /usr/local/etc/devd/automount_devd.conf         /usr/local/sbin/automount         /usr/local/share/licenses/automount-1.7.2/BSD2CLAUSE         /usr/local/share/licenses/automount-1.7.2/LICENSE         /usr/local/share/licenses/automount-1.7.2/catalog.mk % cat /usr/local/etc/automount.conf USERUMOUNT=YES ATIME=NO REMOVEDIRS=YES FM="dolphin" USER=grahamperrin % From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 19:19:36 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC1F052D99B for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:19:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: from mail-wr1-x433.google.com (mail-wr1-x433.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::433]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dcjx40My6z3mrd for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:19:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from grahamperrin@gmail.com) Received: by mail-wr1-x433.google.com with SMTP id 7so530291wrz.0 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:19:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=PQ0F7ZwO7kMA72+aaxfTbDsysEgUdQJ2IlGdKrKwgDI=; b=gUoZJjG2B96vjRPLLYRlTmBwoqwlwORGQ1ERJ72rSiv2DfitYcsB7URiQRh3gHWXzz n4D8cYugsTlRB7jafnFRNghZQwHUgO0bsoTCHUPnfue+xOH/2yk+DzMZCYW2U7qN/Kpr YwWVaT+Zvwc9V7q48HTzrNmQsdOc5l7CO1hxZGN22TloGicLm/Y5xkmDXhkzZRnW0fsN r4VfuZgZdEbuAY0oCii0SQOT+3zq73jlChyKU2uiOtSsnTvRzE3UyP4ov9yCDoYJgpcB 7/YxxGhcZ5cA7YDpHJhS1xd2ajRiIPKoEmfKtvRYWUYxTomfS+l/YCfm2ynPl6TjdZS+ xi+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=PQ0F7ZwO7kMA72+aaxfTbDsysEgUdQJ2IlGdKrKwgDI=; b=I15RLYBTWNXf1iquWooHXlwBN60csY9qmtjb5ycsuDupTmohNDrcWIVhpjTQhHqFQV xZ3VRvE/sFP1yFYW1Qe2Mq+u8RfFFlmdF2gC2C16g3ESKuICG6MCqJ172UOChWdeKz6O SRUFOO436qolVdIH0dlLgJ30pVzZaqWwneBLtz8ufUSfzg0jwftA76nN5Z/hJPIfzMhW VjVmlfXGFON204zmby0vzsk5F5TwjvFylKhIVN5yTAIAJPqdO6/O2VmEIUMb5DZwCRlL D/wABs0O7eZVIx7+LgaQ1PwsKjH926FFrVTQ/njzdicWUBxooGEGoX92I0+6m/4Evyqt bTwg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531sow8fjbi7CMDg1VQ8F6pzydegHzZdbpQQGfGE4SQ+HeJUrIEk 6s6lh8Yg0uxne5PZri7js5BLQl3a4gD/ow== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzPOLtauOPyPDqjKaPgP/HPQ2Nx2mQSNrLb8uf48J5t3Mc9MFDkM/Lu01wjPb5N4mbSfiCm5w== X-Received: by 2002:adf:92a6:: with SMTP id 35mr5138463wrn.193.1613157574019; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:19:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.14] (88-105-96-80.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com. 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In what way? Have you tried accepting the ZFS option? From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 08:42:26 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6375E548900 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DcRnt1Md9z4cDY for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 2EE0B5483DE; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA5F5483DD for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL TLS DV RSA Mixed SHA256 2020 CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcRns1lSnz4cWx; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:25 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 11C8gK1k033655 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:42:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 11C8gK1k033655 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1613119342; bh=VXyZ3xmQIDbfTFnGOWcfw3EIumZe0aMeAaOQwbbqliM=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; z=Date:=20Fri,=2012=20Feb=202021=2000:42:20=20-0800=20(PST)|From:=2 0"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Gushi)"=20|To:=20questions@f reebsd.org|cc:=20allanjude@freebsd.org|Subject:=20splitting=20ca_r oot_nss=20into=20component=20pem=20files; b=ZLPm01EQj3BARZKJlUc+tjryCxXgHyyo+7y4qIUkAK9BKmmw8b5THMf/NZD9CVCtl Kstdb8l3SUr1QuSPXzLeRrs5Gim1QdVba4ePBTAEcnsf1wuK2YKW1/PstTKLBhDsAH jwJwbEr54j4cpxMBY8qckdzZb1XaiBkwuuryZPZqCPYHvq+czr+RvbEYevJ+z0tIMN mw0ebd3Ie+KzSlgxQyVY9P5Q/PdveYUx7Q0ow2yx5qAYhTpIGmE3odixFqiiEYbMR8 9MCHiceRYI33yZXCWU7mB6aBVur984VGtE4u1kDfE2TafspclcLwh1Tjt4mAGy8Nho ONeF6kGdnepOQ== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 11C8gK6W033651; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:42:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danm) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 00:42:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" To: questions@freebsd.org cc: allanjude@freebsd.org Subject: splitting ca_root_nss into component pem files Message-ID: <8f7cdfd9-7c4f-2e5d-948c-34ae45f1c9d@prime.gushi.org> X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (prime.gushi.org [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcRns1lSnz4cWx X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gushi.org header.s=prime2014 header.b=ZLPm01EQ; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gushi.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of danm@prime.gushi.org designates 2620:137:6000:10::142 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=danm@prime.gushi.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.40 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gushi.org:s=prime2014]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_MED(-2.00)[gushi.org:dkim]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+a]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCVD_DKIM_ARC_DNSWL_MED(-0.50)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED(-0.20)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gushi.org,none]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gushi.org:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[freebsd@gushi.org,danm@prime.gushi.org]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2620:137:6000:10::142:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:393507, ipnet:2620:137:6000::/44, country:US]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[freebsd@gushi.org,danm@prime.gushi.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[questions] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:23:51 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 08:42:26 -0000 Allan (and all), I notice FreeBSD now comes with certctl which knows how to split and manage trusted SSL certs. FreeBSD 12.2 includes a /usr/share/ssl/certs directory now (no mention of that in the release notes?) and a tool called certctl. Certctl has (for some reason) been backported to 11.x, where there are no individual certs provided by default, so I'm confused as to why this is. ca_root_nss only provides a monolithic cert. Some apps require a directory of hashes and symlinks. This is common, especially when you want to trust your local CA as well as the netscape ones. Additionally, some tools (like sendmail) seem to require the symlinked approach. Is there a tool (installed with base, or from ports) that will do this splitting of ca_root_nss, to some standard directory? (certctl doesn't appear to). Should this not be a standard thing in the pkg-message for ca_root_nss? (This seems to be a tangly problem to google). Note I solved this myself a few years back: https://gushi.dreamwidth.org/1064679.html, but I'd like to have a "right" answer. But...this feels like something that should have a base tool AND be in the handbook, since the *removal* of a cert from ca_root_nss will cause users to still trust it -- a clean rebuild should be possible. -Dan -- --------Dan Mahoney-------- Techie, Sysadmin, WebGeek Gushi on efnet/undernet IRC FB: fb.com/DanielMahoneyIV LI: linkedin.com/in/gushi Site: http://www.gushi.org --------------------------- From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 19:28:28 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A555352E062 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Dck7J4CwSz3nvg for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 8EDA252E0E4; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA3052DF49 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from smtp.freebsd.org (smtp.freebsd.org [96.47.72.83]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.freebsd.org", Issuer "R3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dck7J3gNWz3nlL; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: from mail-qt1-f175.google.com (mail-qt1-f175.google.com [209.85.160.175]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) (Authenticated sender: kevans) by smtp.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6C70F4FE6; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevans@freebsd.org) Received: by mail-qt1-f175.google.com with SMTP id n28so416933qtv.12; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:28:28 -0800 (PST) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532EfQF0YEG+Ar72PT/FwfNkGfs9nBy9UBVtnKje1uDVpKlloh5p Q3SxW7bE5SpoJxL41oz29s+krYpidN7H2i0drQ8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwY5+3vnUJRhzR3uLH8DQCnTTTAj4auQkeMB31HCmfyHYHMa0F7LkWbRsRRmn+zEYHkUxpoY1fovfq2rVOmOuc= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:100b:: with SMTP id z11mr3956168qti.60.1613158107998; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 11:28:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <8f7cdfd9-7c4f-2e5d-948c-34ae45f1c9d@prime.gushi.org> In-Reply-To: <8f7cdfd9-7c4f-2e5d-948c-34ae45f1c9d@prime.gushi.org> From: Kyle Evans Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 13:28:14 -0600 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: splitting ca_root_nss into component pem files To: "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" Cc: questions@freebsd.org, Allan Jude Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:28:28 -0000 On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:23 PM Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: > > Allan (and all), > > I notice FreeBSD now comes with certctl which knows how to split and > manage trusted SSL certs. FreeBSD 12.2 includes a /usr/share/ssl/certs > directory now (no mention of that in the release notes?) and a tool called > certctl. > > Certctl has (for some reason) been backported to 11.x, where there are no > individual certs provided by default, so I'm confused as to why this is. > I fully intended to ship 11.4 with them, but pulled them at the last minute due to some issues with certctl. > ca_root_nss only provides a monolithic cert. > > Some apps require a directory of hashes and symlinks. This is common, > especially when you want to trust your local CA as well as the netscape > ones. Additionally, some tools (like sendmail) seem to require the > symlinked approach. > > Is there a tool (installed with base, or from ports) that will do this > splitting of ca_root_nss, to some standard directory? (certctl doesn't > appear to). > I have some local WIP that's going to split ca_root_nss out like the base bundle is, so that it's compatible with certctl and friends. My vision is that ca_root_nss will provide more expedient updates of the bundle to folks that need it on a better timeline than EN/SA can deliver. > Should this not be a standard thing in the pkg-message for ca_root_nss? > > (This seems to be a tangly problem to google). > > Note I solved this myself a few years back: > https://gushi.dreamwidth.org/1064679.html, but I'd like to have a "right" > answer. > > But...this feels like something that should have a base tool AND be in the > handbook, since the *removal* of a cert from ca_root_nss will cause users > to still trust it -- a clean rebuild should be possible. > Right, that's the problem I'm hoping to solve by splitting ca_root_nss up. Thanks, Kyle Evans From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 03:56:19 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DF4353CCEE for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:56:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.24]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcxPG0ZDbz4tyJ for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:56:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([94.222.20.196]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MEmEf-1l7nEa0yol-00GHLa; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:56:15 +0100 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:56:14 +0100 From: Polytropon To: Graham Perrin Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Partitioning Message-Id: <20210213045614.71f2202b.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <055e547a-c57a-048e-5458-4cf60b31ca7a@gmail.com> References: <055e547a-c57a-048e-5458-4cf60b31ca7a@gmail.com> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:JdekdnBDdZvuAErf6KKAcodhPPJZQFn6FLbAz+Kdt5c7L4eYKlg 5HI5Ty1CNt/Ay42FTBT54MiiYw4dyz1K1m4U+jC7Ux1x/kTQFHlV+k++QBSiN92A2+EIoyx dzmtCrZvx/Z6PNyy8YH4Q3/Lgath7c8EOI9Ozq7sLzR9eBAD9F30A3fpkhb2zxCNVZAPC9p E5NCmlpSWqR7GhvIN9iLg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Hwz3yrtpCgM=:55r/KKT/MzBVCmxzLmQfJc uM7a2ZvLZohqrybXTDygoQxK0+hjDs8UOeGrUVyR9BBwQBRf5QJxFa3wVbzPUB4WKm0G7nLnB G3lU2WyBjcw7bVB3OO+nAN5QQb8abROqBsoxizsloMkBV/nzQVrgPUuyijsAPp6CE5QL/MtWN /VwzthQjRxqkQD5K7JLWs+H3KNjrYzEgLKECKfSX9EDgmprixh/oYfW1+wdFXMt8bLI7wD2jx 3bNJn79KKeSMW7mX1yufHmGwDJUrvUNnArosBX78lB/76xbRQFZBl5r+pdq4QrXWHQWPsiKXC EsaQHkdYsr3o/VtDBBzCyB4GJ3zCPPetB80ejOX+saFq0EBtBzIWh8dCPWv4p+OIURD2zidXv 1YGkKsYWpHmUl/AXBvCjPNYmUKZzY33M4c70jVRvzJ4fVDGrF2IPQTTnu0bUN X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcxPG0ZDbz4tyJ X-Spamd-Bar: / Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.17.24) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [0.95 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[94.222.20.196:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.55)[0.547]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_POSSIBLE(0.00)[212.227.17.24:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:56:19 -0000 On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:19:33 +0000, Graham Perrin wrote: > On 11/02/2021 20:32, david russell wrote: > > > In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. > > In what way? If you have things like /tmp, /var/log, /home and so rooted in the same partition, a "runaway process" could fill your whole disk just writing to /tmp, and you wouldn't know, because a log file can no longer be written. Also users might be affected and cannot save their work files as /home runs out of space (simply because / is full). Especially on systems providing server functionalities, this kind of problem is not desired. Another useful thing about partitioning is that you can backup and restore partition-wise. You can also use different mount options (such as noatime where you don't need it, and even noexec when you want to prevent accidental executions). You can also "switch" between certain environments or even /home subtrees if needed. For large-scale data recovery, it's also easier to work with separated partitions, for example, if you need to recover something from /home, you can leave /usr, /tmp, and /var out of scope entirely, and those partitions won't be subject to recovery attempts - you can concentrate on /home. However, this partitioning approach is historically grown (as it initially wasn't about partitions on the same disk, but about different physical swappable disks with limited capacity as well different speed) and doesn't fit all modern needs. Especially for home system, having one / partition often is the best solution. And UFS's fixed size partitioning (with previous planning!) doesn't make it fit for changing purposes. > Have you tried accepting the ZFS option? The initial question probably was UFS-centered, as with using ZFS, you can resize partitions any time you want, and it's a lot easier to manage them. Everything mentioned above can easily be done with ZFS, and more. -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ... From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 04:10:51 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E2B453D75A for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:10:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4Dcxk22WS1z4vHG for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:10:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from [192.168.43.231] (unknown [172.58.140.197]) (Authenticated sender: galtsev) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2BD694E68D; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:10:44 -0600 (CST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: Partitioning From: Valeri Galtsev In-Reply-To: <20210213045614.71f2202b.freebsd@edvax.de> Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:10:42 -0600 Cc: Graham Perrin , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <055e547a-c57a-048e-5458-4cf60b31ca7a@gmail.com> <20210213045614.71f2202b.freebsd@edvax.de> To: Polytropon X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dcxk22WS1z4vHG X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=fail reason="No valid SPF, No valid DKIM" header.from=uchicago.edu (policy=none); spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu has no SPF policy when checking 128.135.20.70) smtp.mailfrom=galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.15 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[128.135.20.70:from:127.0.2.255]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[172.58.140.197:received]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.75)[-0.750]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; FREEMAIL_CC(0.00)[gmail.com,freebsd.org]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:10:51 -0000 > On Feb 12, 2021, at 9:56 PM, Polytropon wrote: >=20 > On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 19:19:33 +0000, Graham Perrin wrote: >> On 11/02/2021 20:32, david russell wrote: >>=20 >>> In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. >>=20 >> In what way? >=20 > If you have things like /tmp, /var/log, /home and so rooted in > the same partition, a "runaway process" could fill your whole > disk just writing to /tmp, and you wouldn't know, because a log > file can no longer be written. Also users might be affected and > cannot save their work files as /home runs out of space (simply > because / is full). True, and very clearly stated. > Especially on systems providing server functionalities, this kind > of problem is not desired. >=20 There is additional advantage: some of filesystems can be mounted read = only or with =E2=80=9Cnoexec=E2=80=9D option; which (especially on the = server) will stop bad guys who stole user password from executing = exploit. Of course, your server must be updated, but extra barrier = always helps. After all we just compete with bad guys, so buying extra = time helps. That one I learned long ago. I even watched unsuccessful = attempts in real lite on one of my servers ;-). Not mentioning nodev = which more knowledgeable person told me is not necessary on FreeBSD. But = I still I mentioned it ;-) as I=E2=80=99m Linux guy too; though these = days I do more FreeDSD-isms on Linux than Linuxisms on FreeBSD. > Another useful thing about partitioning is that you can backup > and restore partition-wise. You can also use different mount > options (such as noatime where you don't need it, and even > noexec when you want to prevent accidental executions). Oh, I'm poor reader, sorry about mentioning similar things above before = reading this. Valeri > You > can also "switch" between certain environments or even /home > subtrees if needed. For large-scale data recovery, it's also > easier to work with separated partitions, for example, if you > need to recover something from /home, you can leave /usr, /tmp, > and /var out of scope entirely, and those partitions won't be > subject to recovery attempts - you can concentrate on /home. > However, this partitioning approach is historically grown (as > it initially wasn't about partitions on the same disk, but about > different physical swappable disks with limited capacity as well > different speed) and doesn't fit all modern needs. Especially for > home system, having one / partition often is the best solution. > And UFS's fixed size partitioning (with previous planning!) > doesn't make it fit for changing purposes. >=20 >=20 >=20 >> Have you tried accepting the ZFS option? >=20 > The initial question probably was UFS-centered, as with using > ZFS, you can resize partitions any time you want, and it's a lot > easier to manage them. 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My windonw manager is i3wm. After many try, I conclude that the correct sound manager is OSS. So I uninstall pluseaudio. It almost work. I can have conversation, using my headphone on Big Blue But= ton and other software. But, I don't find the correct way to control the volumes, mic or headset. := -( fossmixer run correctly but I don't interstand how to use it. I just want to use the XF86Audio=E2=80=A6 key to raise, lower sound and mic. Here is my /dev/sndstat=20 Installed devices: pcm0: (play/rec) default pcm1: (rec) pcm2: (play) Installed devices from userspace: dsp: (play/rec) Did some had advices for me? Thanks in advance for your time and for reading me. --=20 Jacques Foucry From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 09:23:31 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A66E5469BB; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:23:31 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ej1-x633.google.com (mail-ej1-x633.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::633]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dd4fp5ClQz3mBm; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:23:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gobble.wa@gmail.com) Received: by mail-ej1-x633.google.com with SMTP id a9so3352447ejr.2; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:23:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kWj12+LGXCiTJAaBZ4ln8hZtB9wpw31HAgk9QoBHxzY=; b=ruHJx6X8hACCdJy4nBvhx/X8+Ifxovpde9oHhcDMao60/LiqrtyACkSVDyz2MotCnv rO5QOITrX483IshALT+hrZKYVDDhTA8Cf3IE77wWqQpGpf1f1AoPRsI5JKq5t+OlHvDC P8Hom2N3Tn54NwsK5Qm9RlwdFWW5yuEBfDh6wWoT3tmxvNjJ56QauX1VijDjpHvOsAuu IVsjmtI2IvvrYFjWpxanoKanHNBx/ZUO6GgrgdJLA/PTN5vNCUVOspiDg6Xv+wAkcVs4 gVQqwdeBIzWsiKnh+/I1+KAIHIv5T87hWL28bLqs0bIZoLfZAy3KcLMB9FL0mtXaOApX mtdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=kWj12+LGXCiTJAaBZ4ln8hZtB9wpw31HAgk9QoBHxzY=; b=lrLh316OsVDHXLZGhsIbSbjgojCO9lkWXvcIeSAoi5nbgLr/aHS2L3Mr05Hc51+1sK 61Aq1xqoRH3z1rII7tosYNaBcLk1LNVEzvy1dfezHKa6OwUsmeExauq4WtqzM39CnciQ Xg3E1vrtoz37h9tX3P+bDeX0qZeu1w1a1michQJhyFmZuo1shNifkkMtWglnCFkRfw59 JC0eqe7KZimrrr1zrnq4mLEJPrHc9k4a5SlN69QdwtXMJHo2VnJzdVx4ScaV6owkc248 SocuEo0mkAJwS1xq7NgRtzlUNfrejV+7m0JWQ1pHmg6B2c5W+4DkOtA1+4qbAPCcaEQy zCdA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531sHeniZ7KqDsHFdaTAiW6Oxcomc+SPmtIoJFrDRs7uJZVIgBBS uuxm6tb4O7zZl9JebMI0Ugjqm0xhfl8MReWKh/dDY36KQkJjjD90 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzvhuTlMPbg2EXizi/Lk/HD23/Z5ACOYNEWJSlV6M7/Nm6idVZb0Id6Eqza8pgDOrQmlugbNgJ5knWlx0cteZI= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:210e:: with SMTP id qn14mr7072695ejb.237.1613208208574; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 01:23:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Waitman Gobble Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 05:23:17 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: OSS usage with i3wm on a Lenovo laptop To: FreeBSD , freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dd4fp5ClQz3mBm X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ruHJx6X8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of gobblewa@gmail.com designates 2a00:1450:4864:20::633 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=gobblewa@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2a00:1450:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::633:from]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::633:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::633:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions,freebsd-desktop] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 09:23:31 -0000 On Sat, Feb 13, 2021 at 5:07 AM Jacques Foucry wrote: > > Hello friends, > > I run Free SD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 on a Lenovo x280 Laptop. > > My windonw manager is i3wm. > > After many try, I conclude that the correct sound manager is OSS. So I > uninstall pluseaudio. > > It almost work. I can have conversation, using my headphone on Big Blue B= utton > and other software. > > But, I don't find the correct way to control the volumes, mic or headset.= :-( > > fossmixer run correctly but I don't interstand how to use it. > > I just want to use the XF86Audio=E2=80=A6 key to raise, lower sound and m= ic. > > Here is my /dev/sndstat > > Installed devices: > pcm0: (play/rec) default > pcm1: (rec) > pcm2: (play) > Installed devices from userspace: > dsp: (play/rec) > > > Did some had advices for me? > > Thanks in advance for your time and for reading me. > > -- > Jacques Foucry > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" The driver is OSS but it looks like you're talking about Virtual OSS, which I'm not sure is related to OSS. You can use Virtual OSS, Pulseaudio, or Sndio - these sit "on top" of the driver. Anyhow, you might try: % mixer Mixer vol is currently set to 25:25 Mixer pcm is currently set to 100:100 Mixer speaker is currently set to 59:59 Mixer line is currently set to 1:1 Mixer mic is currently set to 67:67 Mixer mix is currently set to 37:37 Mixer rec is currently set to 37:37 Mixer igain is currently set to 0:0 Mixer ogain is currently set to 100:100 Recording source: mic I use i3 and I don't think there is a fancy gui applet for audio. 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The partition manager does not allow choices in the file > setup,ie dump,srv,fake root,nfs. > In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. > Q:can you give an option in version 14?regarding format choices. > Thank you. if all fails, make a small bootable partition. Just enough for a minimal installation. After the system is running, create the other partitions how you want them. When your disk is above 1TB, I would suggest to keep home outside of the UFS partitions in the ZFS pool. A fsck takes really long on lager disks. Even on 50GB, you really you will have to be patient. 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FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f:from]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:13:55 -0000 On Thu, Feb 11, 2021 at 3:21 PM Mike Clarke wrote: > On Wednesday, 10 February 2021 21:32:37 GMT Michael Schuster wrote: > > I have: > > > > $ zfs list | egrep 'BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14|src' > > tank/ROOT/BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 30.9G 340G 24.3G / > > tank/usr/src 2.32G 340G 2.26G > /usr/src > > $ > > > > ... which I guess also explains why for me bectl list and beadm list > > produce similar output. > > > > my working zfs knowledge is a bit rusty; is there a trivial way of > getting > > my /usr/{src|ports} under the current BE? > > thx > > Something like this should work, assuming BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 is > the > currently active BE. It's based on memory of what I did in the > past for something similar so I can't be 100% certain that it will work > for > you but it should provide a usable guide. Make sure you have a backup and > check that each step does what was expected before going to the next. > > # Move /usr/src temporarily out of the way > > umount /usr/src > mount -t zfs tank/usr/src /mnt > > # Make sure the directory /usr/src exists. Create a new empty directory if > it > doesn't. If it exists and isn't empty delete the contents. > > # Move existing data /usr/src into the BE > mv /mnt/usr/src/* /usr/src > > # Check that all went well and destroy the old /usr/src dataset > umount /mnt > zfs destroy tank/usr/src > > The contents of your original /usr/src should now be included in > BE_20210206_175312_CURRENT14 and all new BEs created from it but NOT in > any > of your other BEs or their descendants. You will need to reinstall it from > the corresponding svn or git revision in each of the other BEs if you want > to > use them. > > Hi Mike, thx for the details - as usual, once I'd sent the email, I continued thinking about this myself, and came up with a solution based on "zfs rename", which is trivial with only one potential pitfall (which I of course had to test :-)): I'm using BE below instead of the actual name ... # zfs umount /tank/usr/src # zfs create -u ${BE}/usr # zfs rename /tank/usr/src ${BE}/usr/src # zfs mount ${BE}/usr/src now, when I create a new BE and mount it, /usr/src (and /usr/ports, for which I repeated steps 1, 3 and 4) are visible and populated under /mnt/usr. (I also explicitly set the mountpoint property on ${BE}/usr to "none" afterwards, don't know whether that's relevant) thx again Michael -- Michael Schuster http://recursiveramblings.wordpress.com/ recursion, n: see 'recursion' From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 11:51:36 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6FBB529D70 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:51:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from mx1.riseup.net (mx1.riseup.net [198.252.153.129]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dd7xg6N2Rz3w07 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:51:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ralf-mardorf@riseup.net) Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dd7xV5pjfzFw85; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:51:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1613217086; bh=KTSaPVuTDpp6E/z8QkdmnS1k+ZRj7bRHHDnD3BetNZc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=aOQKkis8ow2i5TzXvNRWFGv/Sbp8HoGiw6sCZTyOhCbkZfCyh080/WoXm7zRQFqDF gOTjBUs8v2up9f0Dhp4qgAgfZTz+o/NW9KKC7E3k+rFiTYOOHAqxxr7hEWmQr7pjRE +F4ukqDnHMBow5h2qGnMeiVSLRqSPKJTMhRPu9KI= X-Riseup-User-ID: CC57F9EF433AAB59A0CD8ECDD6DE6A5AA66D14C16B184790CBB9AD13FE22884E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Dd7xS1y99z5vMx; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 03:51:20 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:51:13 +0100 From: Ralf Mardorf To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Cc: Polytropon Subject: Re: Partitioning Message-ID: <20210213125113.3b3f1f8b@archlinux> In-Reply-To: <20210213045614.71f2202b.freebsd@edvax.de> References: <055e547a-c57a-048e-5458-4cf60b31ca7a@gmail.com> <20210213045614.71f2202b.freebsd@edvax.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dd7xg6N2Rz3w07 X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=riseup.net header.s=squak header.b=aOQKkis8; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=riseup.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of ralf-mardorf@riseup.net designates 198.252.153.129 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=ralf-mardorf@riseup.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.58 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_GOOD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[riseup.net:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[riseup.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.985]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:16652, ipnet:198.252.153.0/24, country:US]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[198.252.153.129:from]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[riseup.net:s=squak]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DWL_DNSWL_LOW(-1.00)[riseup.net:dkim]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[198.252.153.129:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_RHS_NOT_FQDN(0.50)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 11:51:36 -0000 To me (no server, just a desktop PC) partitioning is most useful to keep track of data locations. IMO it's better to have a separated partition to e.g. store photos and to use paths only to sort photos on this partition, not to distinguish mail, documents etc. from photos. On Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:56:14 +0100, Polytropon wrote: >If you have things like /tmp, /var/log, /home and so rooted in >the same partition, a "runaway process" could fill your whole >disk just writing to /tmp, and you wouldn't know, because a log >file can no longer be written. Also users might be affected and >cannot save their work files as /home runs out of space (simply >because / is full). OTOH if you don't know how much space you need for binaries and libraries and how much space you need for data in home in the future, you are less flexible and might need to resize partitions, if they are separated. By the all-in-one approach you don't have to do this. Btw. making tmp a tmpfs has some pros and less cons ;). >Another useful thing about partitioning is that you can backup >and restore partition-wise. That is useful, especially for huge amounts of data, that are better stored on a separated partition, instead of home. >You can also use different mount options (such as noatime where you >don't need it, and even noexec when you want to prevent accidental >executions). For hysterical raisins I mount some audio real-time usage related partitions with noatime, but I doubt that it make much sense nowadays. However, I agree that separated partitions are useful for measures such as mounting read only etc.. Related to performance I suspect that it only makes a difference in some cases and if so, it's probably more important what kind of hardware is used ... SMR, SSD etc.... what kinds of files are used, mainly many short or a few large or whatsoever files .... IOW related to performance the hardware and chosen file system might be more important in the first place, than mount options in the second place. >if you need to recover something from /home, you can leave /usr, /tmp, >and /var out of scope entirely, and those partitions won't be >subject to recovery attempts - you can concentrate on /home. Depends on the backup strategy, dump, dd vs tar. >The initial question probably was UFS-centered, as with using >ZFS, you can resize partitions any time you want, and it's a lot >easier to manage them. Everything mentioned above can easily be >done with ZFS, and more. Reminds me of an Ubuntu user who wanted to shrink an partition on an external USB SSD that was preformatted with exFAT. The user wanted to use it to share data between Linux and Mac. So apart of being unable to resize the partition, it also was missing "traditional Unix permissions", which other than journaling could be preserved when sharing data between those two operating systems. Thinking of managing trim support, I don't know if using an external SSD via USB is wise at all. From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 12:17:39 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B543752B56D for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:17:39 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd000365995e.2723e36854eb39286b1d62e09672a90b@email-od.com) Received: from s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com (s1-b0c6.socketlabs.email-od.com [142.0.176.198]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dd8Wk6w7wz4RhN for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:17:38 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from 4250.82.1d4cd000365995e.2723e36854eb39286b1d62e09672a90b@email-od.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=email-od.com;i=@email-od.com;s=dkim; c=relaxed/relaxed; q=dns/txt; t=1613218659; x=1615810659; h=content-transfer-encoding:content-type:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:to:from:date:x-thread-info; bh=JMor8lzgxrOeNM1H7lusmEQrB2HdYRg/GJ4wk84zWJ8=; b=X6nqcvQ0EAtvQYF3EQIhsiaVnhSR+fdrH01Gtb9cUJRI7T9Y+7TewL+GmTpRvatqVcN0ia2J9wegeYZdUalBlujhlxgWo4hRh1C7gw9ug2D2+1SCT73CKm8gjeHoZnCfATHuTnTr10akdXUfOPtsevDPdIf88/Ux2sdloju6X80= X-Thread-Info: NDI1MC4xMi4xZDRjZDAwMDM2NTk5NWUuZnJlZWJzZC1xdWVzdGlvbnM9ZnJlZWJzZC5vcmc= Received: from r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com (r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com [142.0.189.2]) by mxsg2.email-od.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:17:21 -0500 Received: from smtp.lan.sohara.org (EMTPY [185.202.17.215]) by r2.us-east-2.aws.in.socketlabs.com with ESMTP(version=Tls12 cipher=Aes256 bits=256); Sat, 13 Feb 2021 07:17:21 -0500 Received: from [192.168.63.1] (helo=steve.lan.sohara.org) by smtp.lan.sohara.org with smtp (Exim 4.94 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1lAtrT-000OLJ-Qf for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:17:19 +0000 Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:17:19 +0000 From: Steve O'Hara-Smith To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Message-Id: <20210213121719.9736d1f57ae15e4cdc944539@sohara.org> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.33; amd64-portbld-freebsd12.1) X-Clacks-Overhead: "GNU Terry Pratchett" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dd8Wk6w7wz4RhN X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=email-od.com header.s=dkim header.b=X6nqcvQ0; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of 4250.82.1d4cd000365995e.2723e36854eb39286b1d62e09672a90b@email-od.com designates 142.0.176.198 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=4250.82.1d4cd000365995e.2723e36854eb39286b1d62e09672a90b@email-od.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.69 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[email-od.com:s=dkim]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[sohara.org]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[142.0.176.198:from:127.0.2.255]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:142.0.176.0/20]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[email-od.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.99)[-0.995]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd000365995e.2723e36854eb39286b1d62e09672a90b@email-od.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:7381, ipnet:142.0.176.0/22, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[steve@sohara.org,4250.82.1d4cd000365995e.2723e36854eb39286b1d62e09672a90b@email-od.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:17:39 -0000 On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 15:32:26 -0500 david russell wrote: > In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. That certainly used to be the case, but these days if you use the system disc for OS and applications and put user data on a NAS it is *really* hard to fill up even the smallest SSD you can buy. -- Steve O'Hara-Smith From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 12:23:56 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63BA352BDB3 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:23:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: from mail-ej1-x629.google.com (mail-ej1-x629.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::629]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Dd8fz2SNHz4SH5 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:23:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tomek@cedro.info) Received: by mail-ej1-x629.google.com with SMTP id w1so3746185ejf.11 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:23:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cedro.info; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZpP/5bef6A8hOYwYUwABDH3Rl2A8R8UCEGuB3tH0XDc=; b=PiVvgU63MSVGqsuDdEtZGK5Ql3TyNotDfZODzE25NqKoaOuqoIBoq0b3/upReYKmAP FQTq0nImKVNcFzaXGcCuG5rMp/FtoVWLHOR6Pf4As/xQxlKa336odULdolaLt/5HBMfP gcm50lctRW0AgXCsVRwsrKXCrJipGey9fMX8qKxSdK+EVTkXtJ2QVIZvYiryC9JCO8X6 7AAViIPMAfPZTBFR4b3ZGkI3INHBki5UMnlt0IQcxP1WUzgEhg4SMKf3ZbWntpJKd7U+ X38k3VzxuUs/PaQxuQvuLrsVTgWs5+g0F12R4ZSiJNFWHZN48bdBVQKfLmx68W1SwGWg kM9A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZpP/5bef6A8hOYwYUwABDH3Rl2A8R8UCEGuB3tH0XDc=; b=chiUVhPH/UlzqC13tmfrJx8SdsEVcOp8GNk9lbDg6dEK/CB3037iIvLknq343xJqVg Hz3zFlQIPLm8XFTUy3CDjoVLqFnvcWrGFxC5EiCGK15ZIDeyg7WD0HvjjIrUns0LhQU6 8F8UwU9dv9GE41OLt6slzz/3rN9ElCWhQPhHNfzPowonKUJcrwbhKMLt9PSTwue8cjTm kP39Tk/FbM4WPoJvZyYvieXVZYW8wy1RNYox0NsWbQm2FVVyl+U2D9FGQFnkGiek2yHx 5mVjGG2WdBjCR1O3BfT3U27apJNwHIE0Fsj+TKV0YQv4vJT444aisOvc/vRxHSHXl7tE WF+Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530/yx3ZJO6mvP0aFBbZ+NkEB+XuDgMnX4OWPTKE7YfUmlDa+u+8 ywOj24LWVPo0g6FhGesnuSa1BXhFfl7wLgimeBImEA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyCQam0vANpyqSRmfi8PukF8+dt3ZqqVpu+AuGfvu29vy7BxDTEkmXD4UqxiYzGGvYGidtcoMfeZuUNMEqIXYM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:b291:: with SMTP id q17mr1023289ejz.221.1613219034022; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 04:23:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <055e547a-c57a-048e-5458-4cf60b31ca7a@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <055e547a-c57a-048e-5458-4cf60b31ca7a@gmail.com> From: Tomasz CEDRO Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 13:23:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Partitioning To: Graham Perrin Cc: FreeBSD Questions Mailing List X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Dd8fz2SNHz4SH5 X-Spamd-Bar: --- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=cedro.info header.s=google header.b=PiVvgU63; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of tomek@cedro.info has no SPF policy when checking 2a00:1450:4864:20::629) smtp.mailfrom=tomek@cedro.info X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-3.30 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[cedro.info:s=google]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[cedro.info]; SPAMHAUS_ZRD(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::629:from:127.0.2.255]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[cedro.info:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::629:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.00)[-1.000]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[gmail.com]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; RBL_DBL_DONT_QUERY_IPS(0.00)[2a00:1450:4864:20::629:from]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2a00:1450::/32, country:US]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.34 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 12:23:56 -0000 On Fri, Feb 12, 2021, 20:19 Graham Perrin wrote: > On 11/02/2021 20:32, david russell wrote: > > > In my opinion an all in 1 partition is a disaster waiting to happen. > > In what way? > > Have you tried accepting the ZFS option? > ZFS IS AMAZING!!!! Split locations into different pools/containers. Use default installer setup for start. Perform snap of a location before each experiment. Perform cyclic snaps of everything once per month. Perform cyclic snap of home folder each week. Create lz4 container for backups. It can compress 1TB disk dump to 300GB :-) Create your home directory in a separate location (i.e. /ztuff) in a different location/container and link it to /home/yourusernam. That recently saved my all data from removing by linux adduser that removed my home folder because it existed (it removed only the symlink)!!!! Create pool that is a bit smaller than the disk size so you can later just add another drive and exend the pool with one command :-) BIG THANK YOU TO ZFS TEAM!!! :-) Tomek -- CeDeROM, SQ7MHZ, http://www.tomek.cedro.info > From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Fri Feb 12 22:35:35 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC1E5339D3 for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (unknown [127.0.1.3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DcpHC15cWz4XKT for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 25A095339D2; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2564253396E for ; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (prime.gushi.org [IPv6:2620:137:6000:10::142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "prime.gushi.org", Issuer "RapidSSL TLS DV RSA Mixed SHA256 2020 CA-1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DcpHB711bz4XJg; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:34 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) Received: from prime.gushi.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 11CMZK3x045110 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:35:21 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danm@prime.gushi.org) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.10.3 prime.gushi.org 11CMZK3x045110 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gushi.org; s=prime2014; t=1613169322; bh=0nVxQBVx5Gcr+GS+L0se38siEr28GmT/jqwjHy/+mJk=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; z=Date:=20Fri,=2012=20Feb=202021=2014:35:20=20-0800=20(PST)|From:=2 0"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Gushi)"=20|To:=20Kyle=20E vans=20|cc:=20"Dan=20Mahoney=20(Gushi)"=20,=20questions@freebsd.org,=0D=0A=20=20=20=20=20=20= 20=20Allan=20Jude=20|Subject:=20Re:=20split ting=20ca_root_nss=20into=20component=20pem=20files|In-Reply-To:=2 0|References:=20<8f7cdfd9-7c4f-2e5d-948c-34ae45f1c9d@prime.gus hi.org>=20; b=nHQ85Fzz5hFnQso/Apox0k7pHtVyiIBs2J0QRqf4m+0BhWkmG2MEWl0tlQbep3Al3 XySho7qogFwKnpW+FXntQi1vLPYGhKfSSQt/EeKAQVAMpwtcqY8NH5Ii7mDD8WAT5L JzGNUoQ3uUDU91oQfYps9QSX3vK4n3r81gwQDlP28BExbbnZ0iF+WQTOlI40Jp4A6w SDSV0w/zYWy5IwFajmNPMC5fVGHrcYKK3gRNVuwereBKvhi3PekPvgYaGEedojUNVV nFEk3ZZpRmvTOy9oBgxFEpuzSR/5ruUQfyBnsQDPetm+P2+iNb7x9ocJZVEpXNHMsk 1rxVhSlle18Iw== Received: (from danm@localhost) by prime.gushi.org (8.16.1/8.16.1/Submit) id 11CMZK6i045109; Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from danm) Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 14:35:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" To: Kyle Evans cc: "Dan Mahoney (Gushi)" , questions@freebsd.org, Allan Jude Subject: Re: splitting ca_root_nss into component pem files In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <8f7cdfd9-7c4f-2e5d-948c-34ae45f1c9d@prime.gushi.org> X-OpenPGP-Key-ID: 0x624BB249 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (prime.gushi.org [0.0.0.0]); Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:22 +0000 (UTC) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DcpHB711bz4XJg X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; none X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 14:44:58 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Feb 2021 22:35:36 -0000 On Fri, 12 Feb 2021, Kyle Evans wrote: > On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 1:23 PM Dan Mahoney (Gushi) wrote: >> >> Allan (and all), >> >> I notice FreeBSD now comes with certctl which knows how to split and >> manage trusted SSL certs. FreeBSD 12.2 includes a /usr/share/ssl/certs >> directory now (no mention of that in the release notes?) and a tool called >> certctl. >> >> Certctl has (for some reason) been backported to 11.x, where there are no >> individual certs provided by default, so I'm confused as to why this is. >> > > I fully intended to ship 11.4 with them, but pulled them at the last > minute due to some issues with certctl. > >> ca_root_nss only provides a monolithic cert. >> >> Some apps require a directory of hashes and symlinks. This is common, >> especially when you want to trust your local CA as well as the netscape >> ones. Additionally, some tools (like sendmail) seem to require the >> symlinked approach. >> >> Is there a tool (installed with base, or from ports) that will do this >> splitting of ca_root_nss, to some standard directory? (certctl doesn't >> appear to). >> > > I have some local WIP that's going to split ca_root_nss out like the > base bundle is, so that it's compatible with certctl and friends. My > vision is that ca_root_nss will provide more expedient updates of the > bundle to folks that need it on a better timeline than EN/SA can > deliver. > >> Should this not be a standard thing in the pkg-message for ca_root_nss? >> >> (This seems to be a tangly problem to google). >> >> Note I solved this myself a few years back: >> https://gushi.dreamwidth.org/1064679.html, but I'd like to have a "right" >> answer. >> >> But...this feels like something that should have a base tool AND be in the >> handbook, since the *removal* of a cert from ca_root_nss will cause users >> to still trust it -- a clean rebuild should be possible. >> > > Right, that's the problem I'm hoping to solve by splitting ca_root_nss up. Okay. From an architecture POV does that mean that effectively the port's makefile will fetch the main file and do the splitting, and then that each individual file will be added (with names similar to what are in 12.2) as part of the port's plist (which means you could see the provenance of them with pkg which?) Because that would be sort of amazing. The only question comes when you have a cert with the same hash installed by the base system *and* ca_root_nss. (Or when freebsd-update pulls down a blacklist entry for a cert that's in base but still remains in ca_root_nss). Thanks for this work. 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On Fri, Feb 12, 2021 at 7:56 PM Polytropon wrote: > > If you have things like /tmp, /var/log, /home and so rooted in > the same partition, a "runaway process" could fill your whole > disk just writing to /tmp, and you wouldn't know, because a log > file can no longer be written. Also users might be affected and > cannot save their work files as /home runs out of space (simply > because / is full). > I'm also an adherent of mounting world-writable mount points (/tmp, /var/tmp) noexec,nosuid. This works unless you are building from source, and make buildworld fails because it executes some things in /tmp. > Especially on systems providing server functionalities, this kind > of problem is not desired. Sub-optimal, as in disastrous. --=20 "Well," Brahm=C4=81 said, "even after ten thousand explanations, a fool is = no wiser, but an intelligent person requires only two thousand five hundred." - The Mah=C4=81bh=C4=81rata From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sat Feb 13 19:42:24 2021 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E57C538F11 for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 19:42:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@dstev.net) Received: from mail-40133.protonmail.ch (mail-40133.protonmail.ch [185.70.40.133]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "protonmail.com", Issuer "SwissSign Server Gold CA 2014 - G22" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DdLNt63LMz3Dxp for ; Sat, 13 Feb 2021 19:42:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from daniel@dstev.net) Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 19:42:04 +0000 To: Jacques Foucry From: Daniel Stevenson Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-desktop@freebsd.org Reply-To: Daniel Stevenson Subject: Re: OSS usage with i3wm on a Lenovo laptop Message-ID: <_U_U1hQxMivDSfcWfUkLgEVHsAIH2V8HLbA5OkSjokxKauAOMg3CnyZjxY4UlzA-jrLN0u61sz0QbmqgIsoJtfNNRjI0ifeyC1gZT9biuII=@dstev.net> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4DdLNt63LMz3Dxp X-Spamd-Bar: - Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=dstev.net; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of daniel@dstev.net designates 185.70.40.133 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=daniel@dstev.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.90 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[daniel@dstev.net]; RWL_MAILSPIKE_VERYGOOD(0.00)[185.70.40.133:from]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip4:185.70.40.0/24]; TAGGED_RCPT(0.00)[freebsd]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(1.00)[1.000]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[dstev.net,none]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000]; RCVD_COUNT_ZERO(0.00)[0]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:62371, ipnet:185.70.40.0/24, country:CH]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[185.70.40.133:from] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2021 19:42:24 -0000 On Saturday, February 13th, 2021 at 03:07, Jacques Foucry wrote: > Hello friends, > > I run Free=1ASD 12.2-RELEASE-p3 on a Lenovo x280 Laptop. > > My windonw manager is i3wm. > > After many try, I conclude that the correct sound manager is OSS. So I > > uninstall pluseaudio. > > It almost work. I can have conversation, using my headphone on Big Blue B= utton > > and other software. > > But, I don't find the correct way to control the volumes, mic or headset.= :-( You're looking for mixer(8). > fossmixer run correctly but I don't interstand how to use it. > > I just want to use the XF86Audio=E2=80=A6 key to raise, lower sound and m= ic. You can bind those keys to mixer commands in your i3 config. You might want to take a look at Cullum Smith's blog post about FreeBSD on a laptop [1]. He is also an i3wm user. > Here is my /dev/sndstat > > Installed devices: > > pcm0: (play/rec) default > > pcm1: (rec) > > pcm2: (play) > > Installed devices from userspace: > > dsp: (play/rec) > > Did some had advices for me? > > Thanks in advance for your time and for reading me. [1] https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/freebsd-on-a-laptop/ -- Daniel Stevenson