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Date:      Tue, 15 Mar 2016 12:33:49 +0000
From:      Mark Blackman <mark@exonetric.com>
To:        Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz>
Cc:        Mark Felder <feld@FreeBSD.org>, James Gritton <jamie@freebsd.org>, freebsd-jail@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: SHM objects cannot be isolated in jails, any evolution in future FreeBSD versions?
Message-ID:  <593EB477-D6AC-463B-A509-86A63455436F@exonetric.com>
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On 15 Mar 2016, at 08:34, Miroslav Lachman <000.fbsd@quip.cz> wrote:
>=20
> Mark Felder wrote on 03/14/2016 22:07:
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Sat, Mar 12, 2016, at 11:42, James Gritton wrote:
>>>> On 2016-03-12 04:05, Simon wrote:
>>>> The shm_open()(2) function changed since FreeBSD 7.0: the SHM objects
>>>> path are now uncorrelated from the physical file system to become just
>>>> abstract objects. Probably due to this, the jail system do not provide
>>>> any form of filtering regarding shared memory created using this
>>>> function. Therefore:
>>>>=20
>>>> - Anyone can create unauthorized communication channels between jails,
>>>> - Users with enough privileges in any jail can access and modify any
>>>> SHM objects system-wide, ie. shared memory objects created in any
>>>> other jail and in the host system.
>>>>=20
>>>> I've seen a few claims that SHM objects were being handled differently
>>>> whether they were created inside or outside a jail. However, I tested
>>>> on FreeBSD 10.1 and 9.3 but found no evidence of this: both version
>>>> were affected by the same issue.
>>>>=20
>>>> A reference of such claim:
>>>> https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports-bugs/2015-July/312665=
.html
>>>>=20
>>>> My initial post on FreeBSD forum discussing the issue with more
>>>> details: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/55468/
>>>>=20
>>>> Currently, there does not seem to be any way to prevent this.
>>>>=20
>>>> I'm therefore wondering if there are any concrete plans to change this
>>>> situation in future FreeBSD versions? Be able to block the currently
>>>> free inter-jail SHM-based communication seems a minimum, however such
>>>> setting would also most likely prevent SHM-based application to work.
>>>>=20
>>>> Using file based SHM objects in jails seemed a good ideas but it does
>>>> not seem implemented this way, I don't know why. Is this planned, or
>>>> are there any greater plans ongoing also involving IPC's similar
>>>> issue?
>>>=20
>>> There are no concrete plans I'm aware of, but it's definitely a thing
>>> that should be done.  How about filing a bug report for it?  You've
>>> already got a good write-up of the situation.
>>=20
>> Both this and SYSV IPC jail support[1] are badly needed.
>>=20
>> [1] https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D48471
>=20
> Yes, it is very sad that original patch was not commited, nor commented or=
 improved by core developers for long 13 years. I am not 100% sure but I thi=
ng there was some patch from PJD for SysV IPC too. There were EclipseBSD wit=
h resource limits in times of FreeBSD 3.4 and there is FreeVPS for 6.x with v=
irtualized IPC...
>=20
> So I really hope SysV IPC aware jails will become reality soon.
>=20
> Miroslav Lachman

Do we have a feeling if this only a funding problem or is it an enthusiasm p=
roblem?

- Mark





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