From owner-freebsd-amd64@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 6 11:12:46 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BF516A4CE for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:12:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.178.130]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2DFD43D4C for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 11:12:45 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ohartman@mail.uni-mainz.de) Received: from [134.93.180.218] (edda.Physik.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.180.218]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D8DA3000AB1 for ; Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:12:44 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4205FBA7.6010504@mail.uni-mainz.de> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 12:12:39 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Institut =?ISO-8859-1?Q?f=FCr_Geophysik?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD i386; de-AT; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20050202 X-Accept-Language: de-de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org References: <000001c50a3c$50f2eba0$6800000a@r3140ca> <20050204103708.21608.qmail@web26801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> <2fd864e05020419382a5e21b3@mail.gmail.com> <42044AAF.1010002@freebsd.org> <20050205221808.GA9350@dragon.nuxi.com> In-Reply-To: <20050205221808.GA9350@dragon.nuxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at uni-mainz.de Subject: Re: Intel EMT64 Xeon vs AMD Opteron X-BeenThere: freebsd-amd64@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting FreeBSD to the AMD64 platform List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 11:12:46 -0000 David O'Brien schrieb: >[ Please don't cross post! ] > >On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 09:25:19PM -0700, Scott Long wrote: > > >>Astrodog wrote: >>>From what I understand, EM64T is essentally an extention to x86, so >> >> >>>it will understand the AMD64 instructions, much the same way an >>>Athlon64 does. Opteron, once again, from what I've read on the topic >>>is "Actual" 64-bit, not an emulated version. >>> >>> >.. > > >>Both the AMD and Intel offering are just extensions to the ia32 design. >>Opteron is no more 'true' 64-bit than Nacona is. >> >> > >Just as the i386 was just extensions to the 80286 design, which was just >extensions to the original 8086 design. ;-) > >And just as the UltraSparc (Sparc v9) is just extensions to the 32-bit >Sparc v8. > >Astrodog, I'm courous, what is the definition of a True 64-bit CPU? > > > Maybe in honor the digital Alpha AXP?