Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2009 07:38:18 -0500 From: Akenner <SlackWareWolf@comcast.net> To: FreeBSD-Questions@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: KDE: What a monster!] Message-ID: <4981A33A.8060302@comcast.net>
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I've been watching this thread for a while now and have seen some things
used I haven't even heard of before. What is AHWM?
I personally use a myriad of Window Managers and Desktops on my
machines. this is m set up:
Main Desktop #1:
AMD Athlon XP 2600+ / 512 MBs RAM / Crappy onboard video and sound cards
/ 120 GB HD / Dual Boots Open SUSE 11 and Windows XP home edition. I
keep Windows around mostly for just in case, like for example school
work requiring crap Office. Open SUSE is used mainly. I use it mainly as
my active music making desktop to make my music with LMMS, and also
sometimes for web browsing / Email.
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Main Desktop #2:
Intel Celeron 2.40 GHz / 512 MBs RAM / Crappy on board sound and video /
80 GB HD with Windows XP for just in case / 160 GB HD for FreeBSD
7.1-RELEASE which is what I normally have booted. Such as now. Mainly
used as a machine to learn UNIX, browse the web, and I've allowed it to
become the main email center. All my accounts are almost finished being
sent over to it so I can use FreeBSD as my main OS for email as well.
Just haven't decided on a 3rd email client other than Mutt :)
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Laptop :
Intel Pentium 4 M Processor @ 3.06 GHz / 512 RAM / 32 MB Nvidia card /
Onboard sound / 30 GB HD / Partition #1 = Windows XP Home so I can play
Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Quake, Quake 2, Quake 3, UT...You get the
idea... Partition #2 = Mandriva Linux 2008. Main uses include web
browsing, music making with LMMS, and other things.
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Old main Desktop / Now my FTP server / Was the first computer I ever bought:
Pentium 3 Processor @ 733 MHz / 384 MBs RAM / Sound Blaster Live! Sound
Card / Nvidia Riva Video card @16 MBs Video Memory / First HD = 43 GBs
(Yes, I said 43.... I know it's weird, but on Windows 98 when I used to
have that installed it said 42.9) ... Anyway, the first drive is my
/root partition with Slackware Linux 12.0 running a 2.6 Kernel.
Second HD - 160 GBs - Formatted and mounted as /storage for extra
storage as it is my FTP server. I basically use it as a way of backing
up everyone on all my machines and then do another back up to CD-Rs and
a USB HD that is 80 GBs, and a ZIP drive. works great. Video card in the
machine barely works, so I don't have X on there as it would be useless.
You can barely display graphics and it looks liek crap, so I just don't
start up X. Beside, it's a server now, so it doesn't need a GUI.
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Test Machine :
Celeron Processor @ 433 MHz / 192 MBs RAM / 80 GB HD / ATI video card
with 8 MB video memory / Forgot sound card.... 3 GB Partition = Windows
98 SE for Magic The Gathering Game tat requires Windows 95 or 98 and
won't run no NT / 2000 / XP line (The second version of this game was
released because they realised it didn't work on the NT line).
Partition #2 - Takes up rest of disk space...About 77 GBs. Has FreeBSD
7.1-RELEASE on it and is almost an exact copy of the installation on
this machine.
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I use that last machine for a lot:
I've set up an FTP server so I could test how well FreeBSD does as an
FTP server. I also have a lot of toys to test on it with BSD as well.
I listed the hardware and function because I think it's important to
show what I'm running and what I use it for before saying what GUI stuff
I use. On my laptop I use a mix of Enlightenment, Window Maker, and KDE
and Gnome.
Both of my main desktops run either KDE, Gnome, FVWM2, Enlightenment, or
Window Maker.
My test machine runs window Maker almost all the time, but sometimes I
use FVWM2 or even Gnome or Enlightenment. XFCE has seen use as well.
KDE does seem to lag more than the others, and I don't expect it to be
snappy as I don't with Gnome either. For speed it's hard to beat FVWM2
or TWM, but for USEABLE speed, I like Window Maker. Enlightenment isn't
exactly slow either. With Slackware 10.2 and E17 installed on that super
slow 433 MHx box I was once able to turn on the special effects E17 has
like snow and fire and ice, and it actually didn't lag much at all. I
was shocked.
Window Maker has been what I've been using a lot lately though with
Gnome on the side when I want to use it.
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On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 06:15:09PM +0000, RW wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 17:52:31 +0100 (CET)
> Wojciech Puchar <wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl> wrote:
>=20
> > for X window system just use some small windows manager that (as=20
> > name suggest) manages windows on screen and JUST START program you
> > use.
>=20
> IMO these basic window managers are ok if you *only* use them via a
> keyboard, but if you ever use a mouse they're very poor ergonomically.
I'm not sure how you mean that.
I use AHWM on my FreeBSD laptop. It doesn't have desktop icons or menus
or a taskbar or dock or whatever. It's lightweight, very responsive, and
stays the heck out of my way.
I use a mouse. I use it for copy/paste (middle click is my friend), I
use it with my GUI applications, and I use it for controlling window size
and position a lot of the time.
I don't see how anything about using a lightweight window manager that
doesn't clutter up my workspace with a bunch of unnecessary cruft makes
it more difficult to use the mouse when it's appropriate and helpful to
do so.
--=20
Chad Perrin [ content licensed OWL: http://owl.apotheon.org ]
Quoth Larry Wall: "Just don't create a file called -rf."
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