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I downloaded CVSUPIT to my /tmp folder then used the PKG_ADD <filename> to
install it.

I read through the handbook about how to make the supfile and refuse files
and placed them in /usr/local/etc/cvsup/

Now when I try to enter the command cvsup I get command not found.  Actually
I cannot find any file anywhere by this name.  I did however find the file
/usr/bin/cvs which requires parameters I do not understand and are not
covered in the cvs section of the handbook.

I did get the following command to work:
cvs -d /usr/local/etc/cvsup init
This created a CVDROOT folder with many files.  I still dont know how to
make this program update my ports.  Seems every port I have is so old it
cant even find the files to download since many new versions have been
released.

I am using 3.3-Stable
My supfile contains the following:
*default host=cvsup6.freebsd.org
*default base=/usr/local/etc/cvsup
*default prefix=/usr
*default release=cvs delete use-rel-suffix compress
*default tag=RELENG_3
src-all

Any help is appreciated


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On Sat, Sep 09, 2000 at 09:48:58PM +0000, Jorge Díaz wrote:
> i'm a newbie in FreeBDS and i want to configure the DNS on my machine
> and i don´t know how to do it.
>
> Somebody help me please, is part of an University proyect

Although it might sound linux-specific at first, the DNS-Howto of the
Linux Documentation Project is a very nice document for beginners in
DNS setup.  I do not recall the actual URL now, but you can find most of
the linux documentation project files at metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/

- giorgos


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I started a shell with no problem and it has connectivity. But after some 
time, it suddenly loses connectivity. It seems it can't find the DNS server 
on my network.  But it can also be a routing problem.  I need to do a 
dnsquery to my DNS server or a ping (or a mixture of both) to get it 
working again.  I do have three nameserver entries in resolv.conf.  Can 
anyone give me a clue please?

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I have the turtlebeach A3DXtream sound card.  It is a PCI card and claims 
to support PnP in Windows.  I noticed the pnp and pnpinfo in freebsd, but 
pnpinfo seems to find PnP ISA devices only.  I've looked at several 
documents about setting up the sound card, but they are kind of old (for 
freebsd 3.x, while i have bsd 4.4 installed).  How do I set up my soundcard 
to work?

Ray,



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can someone point me to a tutorial or FAQ on how to use the fixit disk on
FreeBSD's 2nd CDROM?

I have switched my 2 hard drives and my fstab partition information needs to
be changed but when I boot from the fixit disk, / is mounted read-only and I
cant seem to unmount it...

thanks in advance

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	Please ask questions in freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Not in
-newbies, this is not what the group is for. Especially something that is
not even close to being a newbish question!

					Rick

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Raymond Law wrote:

> I started a shell with no problem and it has connectivity. But after some 
> time, it suddenly loses connectivity. It seems it can't find the DNS server 
> on my network.  But it can also be a routing problem.  I need to do a 
> dnsquery to my DNS server or a ping (or a mixture of both) to get it 
> working again.  I do have three nameserver entries in resolv.conf.  Can 
> anyone give me a clue please?
> 
> Ray,
> 
> 
> 
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> can someone point me to a tutorial or FAQ on how to use the fixit disk on
> FreeBSD's 2nd CDROM?
> 
> I have switched my 2 hard drives and my fstab partition information needs to
> be changed but when I boot from the fixit disk, / is mounted read-only and I
> cant seem to unmount it...

	Please do not ask questions in -newbies. That is what
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org is for. Especially questions that are not
even close to being newbish.  

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Mon Sep 11  0: 2:31 2000
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> I have the turtlebeach A3DXtream sound card.  It is a PCI card and claims
> to support PnP in Windows.  I noticed the pnp and pnpinfo in freebsd, but
> pnpinfo seems to find PnP ISA devices only.  I've looked at several
> documents about setting up the sound card, but they are kind of old (for
> freebsd 3.x, while i have bsd 4.4 installed).  How do I set up my
soundcard
> to work?
>
> Ray,
>
>
>
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may i recommend this site:

http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~matey/au88x0/

Your Card is an Aureal Vortex 1 Chipset if my memory is correct

one thing he doesnt mention i dont think, is you have to custom build your
kernal

you will have to add a line:

device            pcm

and build your kernal as described in the handbook



good luck, and if you need more help, e-mail me dirrectly at
elitetek@tekrealm.net


Andrew




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I do have a Auriel Vortex PCI soundcard, I got it working by using open
sound (OSS at www.opensound.com)....

On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Elitetek wrote:

> > I have the turtlebeach A3DXtream sound card.  It is a PCI card and claims
> > to support PnP in Windows.  I noticed the pnp and pnpinfo in freebsd, but
> > pnpinfo seems to find PnP ISA devices only.  I've looked at several
> > documents about setting up the sound card, but they are kind of old (for
> > freebsd 3.x, while i have bsd 4.4 installed).  How do I set up my
> soundcard
> > to work?
> >
> > Ray,
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> 
> 
> 
> may i recommend this site:
> 
> http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~matey/au88x0/
> 
> Your Card is an Aureal Vortex 1 Chipset if my memory is correct
> 
> one thing he doesnt mention i dont think, is you have to custom build your
> kernal
> 
> you will have to add a line:
> 
> device            pcm
> 
> and build your kernal as described in the handbook
> 
> 
> 
> good luck, and if you need more help, e-mail me dirrectly at
> elitetek@tekrealm.net
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Mon Sep 11  1:54:25 2000
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Dead easy

in Enlightenment Raster and Mandrake decided that they would use a
hidden directory to store themes, move the saved theme into your
$HOME/.enlightenment/themes directory
right click on your mouse (if you have it setup to emulate 3 button,
press both of them) you will see the option, maintenance, click on
this and then on rescan menus.
if this doesnt work, exit of E and log back in and your theme will be
installed!

any problems let me know!

Dan Cuthbert
European Hosting Research & Engineering
PSINet
mobile : +44 77 1279 0646

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG]On Behalf Of bentley
Sent: 09 September 2000 19:57
To: freebsd-newbies
Subject: enlightenment blues


k.  i have read the best i can.
i have attempted using the Gnome Control Box....& then the HELP
THEME,
even though i have the GNOME USERS GUIDE installed, it says it isn't.
so whats my problem ?  here is:

    1)    i can't install or detect themes already inthe computer,
only
some of them show up.  This is typical
            install for 4.1-release (ISO)
    2)    i would use BLUESTEEL, its in the following folder
                a)    /usr/X11R6/share/enlightenment/themes
    3)    it doesn't show up in the window under the
GNOME CONTROL THEMES

i have downloaded themes from e.themes.org
i would like to install EMACS & BLUESTEEL to be recognized....but i
downloaded a [ *.etheme ] type file.  I don''t know how to get it
installed and after two day of trying to INSTALL NEW THEME from that
&
waiting for the person i emailed ( site owner i believe ) , i haven't
gotten a response....

so how do i (if anyone can help me) install an ETHEME, ?  i believe
the
location mentioned above is a GLOBAL directory.....



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On Sun, Sep 03, 2000 at 01:11:26AM -0500, MrBoboo wrote:
> is there a way to view the settings or configuration for the curent kernel that is running instead of making a kernel from scratch, i just want to change some lines in my current one, is there a way to do that???
> basically do a CP of the current to a new file name perhaps MYKERNEL, then edit MYKERNEL and then you know the rest
> if so pleez help, thanx

That's exactly what you do.  In general,

    # cd /usr/src/sys/i386/conf
    # cp GENERIC MYKERNEL
    <edit MYKERNEL>
    # config MYKERNEL
    # cd ../../compile/MYKERNEL
    # make depend
    # make all
    # make install

N
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On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:29:43AM +0200, Junichi Saito wrote:
> In my case, ppp as well as tun are compiled in the kernel. When the
> command 'ifconfig -a' is run, they should show up: so dose indeed ppp0 but
> not tun0.

The tun? interfaces are created when a device tries to read from them.

For example, I currently have tun0, because of my PPP link.

    # ifconfig -a | grep tun
    tun0: flags=8150<POINTTOPOINT,RUNNING,PROMISC,MULTICAST> mtu 1500

If I now try and read from /dev/tun1, using cat(1), the interface tun1
will be created.

    # cat < /dev/tun1
    ^C
    # ifconfig -a | grep tun
    tun0: flags=8150<POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,PROMISC,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
    tun1: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500

For you, tun0 will be created when you run a program that tries to use it.

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hello,

While we are talking about enlightenment and themes i  tried to install a
theme  lastnight and i got an error saying

Theme does not contain a .themerc file

i got the theme off of tucows.com and tried to install it from theme manager
in E?

the theme right now is in ~<user>/.enlightenment/themese<theme>.tgz

any help would be appreciated.  show me once and i'll be set.  thanks folks.

Matt Bettinger
Houston, Texas



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Indeed, 'cat < /dev/tun0' gives me tun0 entry. I now see I misunderstood
what handbook says about tunnel divice.

Thank you.

j.


On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Nik Clayton wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 04, 2000 at 09:29:43AM +0200, Junichi Saito wrote:
> > In my case, ppp as well as tun are compiled in the kernel. When the
> > command 'ifconfig -a' is run, they should show up: so dose indeed ppp0 but
> > not tun0.
> 
> The tun? interfaces are created when a device tries to read from them.
> 
> For example, I currently have tun0, because of my PPP link.
> 
>     # ifconfig -a | grep tun
>     tun0: flags=8150<POINTTOPOINT,RUNNING,PROMISC,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> 
> If I now try and read from /dev/tun1, using cat(1), the interface tun1
> will be created.
> 
>     # cat < /dev/tun1
>     ^C
>     # ifconfig -a | grep tun
>     tun0: flags=8150<POINTOPOINT,RUNNING,PROMISC,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
>     tun1: flags=8010<POINTOPOINT,MULTICAST> mtu 1500
> 
> For you, tun0 will be created when you run a program that tries to use it.
> 
> N
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> Telephone line, $24.95 a month.  Software, free.  USENET transmission,
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> 




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Hi Matt

you need to gunzip the file first
have a look at e.themes.org as they have been done already



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hello,

While we are talking about enlightenment and themes i  tried to
install a
theme  lastnight and i got an error saying

Theme does not contain a .themerc file

i got the theme off of tucows.com and tried to install it from theme
manager
in E?

the theme right now is in ~<user>/.enlightenment/themese<theme>.tgz

any help would be appreciated.  show me once and i'll be set.  thanks
folks.

Matt Bettinger
Houston, Texas



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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Mon Sep 11  7: 1:49 2000
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Mom always told me there was no such thing as a stupid question so here
goes.

When i first installed FreeBSD 4.1 i was just playing around with it and
used the defaults in the installed.. defaults partitions and such...  one
thing led to another now i pretty much rely on this machine for all of my
home connections/communications..  everything.  Problem is my root / is near
80% full.  This is on a 20 gig HDD and i think the default / was set to like
50 megs.

Question : is there any way short of reinstalling fbsd or buying a second
HDD to increase/repartition my / ?

I have done some research on the matter and have only found  a couple of
articles both involving  a second hdd.  Am i screwed or what?  I guess i can
clean out some temp files and such but  that is really a temporary solution.

thanks guys.

Matt in Houston



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Matt

the / partition doesnt really need to be bigger than 64mb, as long as
it doesnt get more than 90% you should be okay!
do you have a seperate /tmp and /var partition? maybe do a houseclean
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Mom always told me there was no such thing as a stupid question so
here
goes.

When i first installed FreeBSD 4.1 i was just playing around with it
and
used the defaults in the installed.. defaults partitions and such... 
one
thing led to another now i pretty much rely on this machine for all
of my
home connections/communications..  everything.  Problem is my root /
is near
80% full.  This is on a 20 gig HDD and i think the default / was set
to like
50 megs.

Question : is there any way short of reinstalling fbsd or buying a
second
HDD to increase/repartition my / ?

I have done some research on the matter and have only found  a couple
of
articles both involving  a second hdd.  Am i screwed or what?  I
guess i can
clean out some temp files and such but  that is really a temporary
solution.

thanks guys.

Matt in Houston



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	You'd be better off asking questions in -questions. -newbies is
not a Tech support forum. :) You might also want to check
http://www.freebsd.org/ and go to the mailing list archives for a look
answers that have been already give for this same question from other
people.

				Rick


On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Matt Bettinger wrote:

> 
> Mom always told me there was no such thing as a stupid question so here
> goes.
> 
> When i first installed FreeBSD 4.1 i was just playing around with it and
> used the defaults in the installed.. defaults partitions and such...  one
> thing led to another now i pretty much rely on this machine for all of my
> home connections/communications..  everything.  Problem is my root / is near
> 80% full.  This is on a 20 gig HDD and i think the default / was set to like
> 50 megs.
> 
> Question : is there any way short of reinstalling fbsd or buying a second
> HDD to increase/repartition my / ?
> 
> I have done some research on the matter and have only found  a couple of
> articles both involving  a second hdd.  Am i screwed or what?  I guess i can
> clean out some temp files and such but  that is really a temporary solution.
> 
> thanks guys.
> 
> Matt in Houston
> 
> 
> 
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Matt, one solution might be to move some directories from root to /usr, such
as /var.  You would have to create a new directory in /usr and create a
symbolic link to it from root.  This would create the appearance or a /var
directory that actually resides in /usr/var.  I can give you the specific
commands needed to do this, but I will have to look them up being a newbie
myself.

Check out Greg Lehey's the Complete FreeBSD, he outlines exactly how to do
this.

...Michael...

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> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:00 AM
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> Subject: more questions!
> 
> 
> 
> Mom always told me there was no such thing as a stupid 
> question so here
> goes.
> 
> When i first installed FreeBSD 4.1 i was just playing around 
> with it and
> used the defaults in the installed.. defaults partitions and 
> such...  one
> thing led to another now i pretty much rely on this machine 
> for all of my
> home connections/communications..  everything.  Problem is my 
> root / is near
> 80% full.  This is on a 20 gig HDD and i think the default / 
> was set to like
> 50 megs.
> 
> Question : is there any way short of reinstalling fbsd or 
> buying a second
> HDD to increase/repartition my / ?
> 
> I have done some research on the matter and have only found  
> a couple of
> articles both involving  a second hdd.  Am i screwed or what? 
>  I guess i can
> clean out some temp files and such but  that is really a 
> temporary solution.
> 
> thanks guys.
> 
> Matt in Houston
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Xmms or any other cdplayer doesn't work, unless I log in as
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> Xmms or any other cdplayer doesn't work, unless I log in as
> root. (I'm
> unable to read the audio-cd directory)

	I'm asking the same question right now over
-questions. :) -newbies isn't the place to ask these kind of questions. :) 


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Just curious, what is the kind of acceptable question in -newbies?

On Sun, 10 Sep 2000, Rick Hamell wrote:

> 
> > Xmms or any other cdplayer doesn't work, unless I log in as
> > root. (I'm
> > unable to read the audio-cd directory)
> 
> 	I'm asking the same question right now over
> -questions. :) -newbies isn't the place to ask these kind of questions. :) 
> 
> 
> 					Rick
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> Just curious, what is the kind of acceptable question in -newbies?

	Acceptable questions is pretty much anything newbie related that
is NOT technical in nature. You can ask where to get help. You can ask for
good links for newbies. You can ask what people are currently working on. 
	The powers that be only allowed -newbies to be created, as long as
all technical questions remained in -questions. This is to provide one
solid point of contact to the FreeBSD project and it's "help desk," Most
questions in -questions (no matter how newbish) are answered as long as a
person has done some research, and read the handbook at
http://www.freebsd.org/handbook . 


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Hi,

Does anyone know if there are plans to produce a BSD focused magazine
in a hard copy edition?  All of the online publications are great but
I'm the kind of guy who likes to hold a publication in my hands
when I read it.

It would be great if I could go to a local magazine stand and
find the equivalent of Linux Magazine for the BSD OS.  I
would certainly subscribe.

Just wondering.

Thanks

Joe


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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 06:00:26AM -0600, Joe Warner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know if there are plans to produce a BSD focused magazine
> in a hard copy edition?

Not that I know of.  And believe me, I'm asking publishers.  :)

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I actually have some experience in publishing, and working with
publishers.  There's two ways we could make this a reality.

1) Do it ourselves.

This is a pain, and less "legit" looking.  We could put a plan
together and try to get some fancy corporate backing (i.e., BSDi), but
then we need to assemble distributors, handle record-keeping, etc.
It's not a small job.  Doing it single-handedly is a really, *really*
sucky and thankless job.  (I used to work for AGIS; believe me, I know
"sucky".)  With corporate backing it would be a full-time job.

2) Convince a media conglomerate to do it.

Media companies will publish anything that there is a market for.
They need print runs of a good 5,000-10,000 magazines to make it even
vaguely worthwhile.  The editors need to know that they can sell that
many copies of a magazine.

This boils down to, people need to ask for the magazine.  Just like in
software support.  Polite grassroots efforts, and so on.

The editors also need to see articles on the same topic in other
magazines, for cross-pollination.

My summation: if you want to see a BSD magazine, make a two-pronged
effort:

a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.

b) sell BSD articles to print magazines

c) Involve the other BSDs in a) and b).  This is a case where numbers
matter big-time, just like counting page views.

I'm giving a talk on b) at BSDCon, and will hopefully make a revised
paper available after the conference.

==ml

On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:59:34AM -0500, Ignacio Cristerna wrote:
> After seeing all this Linux frenzy, I keep wondering and thinking about the
> same thing. There are currently 2 Linux magazines that I know of. Is it too
> much to ask to have a BSD magazine. I think that we should aim for a more
> streamlined format, maybe a PDF or PS file that everyone could print out or
> a magazine with a few pages. I believe the point would be to create a sense
> of community and let the rest of the world that we are here, that we are
> have a good "product" to offer.
> Just my 2 centavos.
> 
> Greetings to the FreeBSD community (with or without magazine) from
> Monterrey, Mexico.

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a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.

Which editors?  Could you give some examples
of some editors/publishers of sound reputation
that would be good to start with?

Thanks

Joe



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I actually have some experience in publishing, and working with
publishers.  There's two ways we could make this a reality.

1) Do it ourselves.

This is a pain, and less "legit" looking.  We could put a plan
together and try to get some fancy corporate backing (i.e., BSDi), but
then we need to assemble distributors, handle record-keeping, etc.
It's not a small job.  Doing it single-handedly is a really, *really*
sucky and thankless job.  (I used to work for AGIS; believe me, I know
"sucky".)  With corporate backing it would be a full-time job.

2) Convince a media conglomerate to do it.

Media companies will publish anything that there is a market for.
They need print runs of a good 5,000-10,000 magazines to make it even
vaguely worthwhile.  The editors need to know that they can sell that
many copies of a magazine.

This boils down to, people need to ask for the magazine.  Just like in
software support.  Polite grassroots efforts, and so on.

The editors also need to see articles on the same topic in other
magazines, for cross-pollination.

My summation: if you want to see a BSD magazine, make a two-pronged
effort:

a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.

b) sell BSD articles to print magazines

c) Involve the other BSDs in a) and b).  This is a case where numbers
matter big-time, just like counting page views.

I'm giving a talk on b) at BSDCon, and will hopefully make a revised
paper available after the conference.

==ml

On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:59:34AM -0500, Ignacio Cristerna wrote:
> After seeing all this Linux frenzy, I keep wondering and thinking about
the
> same thing. There are currently 2 Linux magazines that I know of. Is it
too
> much to ask to have a BSD magazine. I think that we should aim for a more
> streamlined format, maybe a PDF or PS file that everyone could print out
or
> a magazine with a few pages. I believe the point would be to create a
sense
> of community and let the rest of the world that we are here, that we are
> have a good "product" to offer.
> Just my 2 centavos.
>
> Greetings to the FreeBSD community (with or without magazine) from
> Monterrey, Mexico.

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Daemon News has always been interested in having a print version.  But we
would need some pretty good sponsorship  to get it to happen.  All of us
still have day jobs.

It would definately be a full time job for a small staff of dedicated
people.  We would love to be a part of it if anyone makes any
progress.  However, we have too many other things going on to work on it 
ourselves at this point.

We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.

Chris Coleman 
Daemon News  
http://www.daemonnews.org
Bringing BSD together

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Michael Lucas wrote:

> I actually have some experience in publishing, and working with
> publishers.  There's two ways we could make this a reality.
> 
> 1) Do it ourselves.
> 
> This is a pain, and less "legit" looking.  We could put a plan
> together and try to get some fancy corporate backing (i.e., BSDi), but
> then we need to assemble distributors, handle record-keeping, etc.
> It's not a small job.  Doing it single-handedly is a really, *really*
> sucky and thankless job.  (I used to work for AGIS; believe me, I know
> "sucky".)  With corporate backing it would be a full-time job.
> 
> 2) Convince a media conglomerate to do it.
> 
> Media companies will publish anything that there is a market for.
> They need print runs of a good 5,000-10,000 magazines to make it even
> vaguely worthwhile.  The editors need to know that they can sell that
> many copies of a magazine.
> 
> This boils down to, people need to ask for the magazine.  Just like in
> software support.  Polite grassroots efforts, and so on.
> 
> The editors also need to see articles on the same topic in other
> magazines, for cross-pollination.
> 
> My summation: if you want to see a BSD magazine, make a two-pronged
> effort:
> 
> a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.
> 
> b) sell BSD articles to print magazines
> 
> c) Involve the other BSDs in a) and b).  This is a case where numbers
> matter big-time, just like counting page views.
> 
> I'm giving a talk on b) at BSDCon, and will hopefully make a revised
> paper available after the conference.
> 
> ==ml
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:59:34AM -0500, Ignacio Cristerna wrote:
> > After seeing all this Linux frenzy, I keep wondering and thinking about the
> > same thing. There are currently 2 Linux magazines that I know of. Is it too
> > much to ask to have a BSD magazine. I think that we should aim for a more
> > streamlined format, maybe a PDF or PS file that everyone could print out or
> > a magazine with a few pages. I believe the point would be to create a sense
> > of community and let the rest of the world that we are here, that we are
> > have a good "product" to offer.
> > Just my 2 centavos.
> > 
> > Greetings to the FreeBSD community (with or without magazine) from
> > Monterrey, Mexico.
> 
> -- 
> Michael Lucas
> mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
> http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:40:48AM -0600, Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote:
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> 
> a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.
> 
> Which editors?  Could you give some examples
> of some editors/publishers of sound reputation
> that would be good to start with?

Sound reputation?  You haven't worked in publishing, have you?  :)

Seriously, I've meant to assemble a list for some time, but haven't
had the chance.  I've worked well with CMP; they do what they say, but
their pay is low and they take all rights forever (yike!).

I'd check the publishers of the Linux rags and approach them first.
Check magazines you read and enjoy, and approach them.

==ml

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
> We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
> yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.

I doubt it is, sadly.

The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.

Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
same number of articles in print would.

Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
ones, but that's what we *need*.

Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)

==ml

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hmmm I remember picking up Issue 2 of a new Linux mag a couple of months ago
in the UK, called Linux Format. It was pretty well done, even had a cd with
lotsa goodies :-)

I think their web site was www.linuxformat.co.uk - maybe you should give
them a whirl and see if they're interested?

/wiZZ

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> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
> > We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
> > yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.
>
> I doubt it is, sadly.
>
> The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
> print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.
>
> Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
> their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
> pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
> same number of articles in print would.
>
> Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
> print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
> ones, but that's what we *need*.
>
> Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)



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Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?  Wouldn't
it make just as much sense to establish an BSD Email newsletter that
provided poeople with useful articles delivered straight to their inbox? The
authors of the articles could still get paid for their content, the
newsletter could be supported by selling targeted advertising (the same
thing that magazines do offline) and the content is already in an archivable
format that could be referenced from the web anytime.  This would eliminate
printing costs meaning that the newsletter could be provided to subscribers
for free.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this model, feel free to contact me.  I
don't have the time or expertise to write the content, but I would be more
than willing to head up the launch and marketing of the newsletter.

Jake Ludington

jake@ediblehype.com




On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
>> We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
>> yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.

>I doubt it is, sadly.

>The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
>print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.

>Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
>their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
>pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
>same number of articles in print would.

>Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
>print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
>ones, but that's what we *need*.

>Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)

==ml

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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:06:47AM -0500, Ludington, Jacob wrote:
> Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?  

We already have a variety of web-based and email-based newsletters and
publications.  They're excellent at preaching to the converted.

Sadly, paper publishing has a legitimacy in many eyes that the Web
doesn't have, yet.  This will hopefully change, but it's not quite
there yet.

It's roughly analogous to the whole e-books thing; if they're so
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>We already have a variety of web-based and email-based newsletters and
>publications.  They're excellent at preaching to the converted.

>Sadly, paper publishing has a legitimacy in many eyes that the Web
>doesn't have, yet.  This will hopefully change, but it's not quite
>there yet.

>It's roughly analogous to the whole e-books thing; if they're so
>great, why aren't decision-makers reading them on the bus?

I think you may be discounting the ability of email newsletters reaching the
masses. The key is spreading the word about whatever newsletters are out
there. I was not aware that Big Scary Daemons existed until seeing the URL
listed at the bottom of your message. My guess would be there are many
others who didn't know it existed either. 

If you write about something that people are interested in and make it easy
for them to receive it they will spread the word and your readership will
grow. O'Reilly doesn't make it obvious if its even possible to subscribe to
Big Scary Daemons.(Where's the subscription form?)

As for e-books, there aren't exactly any conveniently(price and ease of use)
designed readers on the market that I'm aware of. I'm not suggesting that
email newsletters will ever completely replace print media, although the
main reason I look at print publications anymore is solely for the
advertising.

Jake Ludington

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Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?

I wouldn't say everyone but speaking for myself, I like something
that has great content, illustrations and something I can hold
in my hands and read.  The same goes for books and reference
manuals.  I don't know if it's because it's just what I'm used
to and I don't know if I would have the same preference if I
learned to read online and had never picked up a hard copy
publication.

Joe



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Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?  Wouldn't
it make just as much sense to establish an BSD Email newsletter that
provided poeople with useful articles delivered straight to their inbox?
The
authors of the articles could still get paid for their content, the
newsletter could be supported by selling targeted advertising (the same
thing that magazines do offline) and the content is already in an
archivable
format that could be referenced from the web anytime.  This would eliminate
printing costs meaning that the newsletter could be provided to subscribers
for free.

If anyone is interested in pursuing this model, feel free to contact me.  I
don't have the time or expertise to write the content, but I would be more
than willing to head up the launch and marketing of the newsletter.

Jake Ludington

jake@ediblehype.com




On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
>> We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
>> yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.

>I doubt it is, sadly.

>The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
>print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.

>Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
>their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
>pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
>same number of articles in print would.

>Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
>print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
>ones, but that's what we *need*.

>Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)

==ml

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From: Michael Lucas <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:59:31 -0400
To: "Ludington, Jacob" <Jacob.Ludington@ed.state.ia.us>
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> I think you may be discounting the ability of email newsletters reaching the
> masses.

Quite possibly.

BTW, Big Scary Daemons isn't a newsletter, it's just a column.  It's
part of the BSD DevCenter.  (Just a column... never mind that when I
was asked to write a regular column for the company I consider the
Dean of Technical Publishers I yelped loudly enough that my wife
thought I had stepped on a nail again.  :)

> My guess would be there are many
> others who didn't know it existed either. 

You would be right.

> O'Reilly doesn't make it obvious if its even possible to subscribe to
> Big Scary Daemons.(Where's the subscription form?)

It's not, you have to go there.  But it could certainly be better
advertised.  (Then again, it's new, give Chris some time.  :) The same
could be said for any BSD resources.

> As for e-books, there aren't exactly any conveniently(price and ease of use)
> designed readers on the market that I'm aware of. I'm not suggesting that
> email newsletters will ever completely replace print media, although the
> main reason I look at print publications anymore is solely for the
> advertising.

Another whole argument.  I don't think e-readers will ever replace
books.  Now let's drop that before the whole conversation gets
completely derailed.  :)

So, an email newsletter would be a possibility.  We have the official
FreeBSD Real-Quick news, but that comes out irregularly.

Perhaps a different sort of freebsd-announce, basically an email
version of daily daemonnews?  You might even be able to pool resources
with the daemonnews people somehow.  (I am in no way tied to DN, so
don't take this as any sort of offer.)

==ml

-- 
Michael Lucas
mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
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Hi,

How many people on this list are in Memphis or the
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Yeah, but see we offered to pay for it :)

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ludington, Jacob wrote:

> Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?  Wouldn't
> it make just as much sense to establish an BSD Email newsletter that
> provided poeople with useful articles delivered straight to their inbox? The
> authors of the articles could still get paid for their content, the
> newsletter could be supported by selling targeted advertising (the same
> thing that magazines do offline) and the content is already in an archivable
> format that could be referenced from the web anytime.  This would eliminate
> printing costs meaning that the newsletter could be provided to subscribers
> for free.
> 
> If anyone is interested in pursuing this model, feel free to contact me.  I
> don't have the time or expertise to write the content, but I would be more
> than willing to head up the launch and marketing of the newsletter.
> 
> Jake Ludington
> 
> jake@ediblehype.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
> >> We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
> >> yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.
> 
> >I doubt it is, sadly.
> 
> >The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
> >print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.
> 
> >Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
> >their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
> >pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
> >same number of articles in print would.
> 
> >Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
> >print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
> >ones, but that's what we *need*.
> 
> >Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)
> 
> ==ml
> 
> -- 
> Michael Lucas
> mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
> http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
> Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons
> 
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Also, not all of us have fancy e-mail programs such as pine like me:) 
haha

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ludington, Jacob wrote:

> Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?  Wouldn't
> it make just as much sense to establish an BSD Email newsletter that
> provided poeople with useful articles delivered straight to their inbox? The
> authors of the articles could still get paid for their content, the
> newsletter could be supported by selling targeted advertising (the same
> thing that magazines do offline) and the content is already in an archivable
> format that could be referenced from the web anytime.  This would eliminate
> printing costs meaning that the newsletter could be provided to subscribers
> for free.
> 
> If anyone is interested in pursuing this model, feel free to contact me.  I
> don't have the time or expertise to write the content, but I would be more
> than willing to head up the launch and marketing of the newsletter.
> 
> Jake Ludington
> 
> jake@ediblehype.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
> >> We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
> >> yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.
> 
> >I doubt it is, sadly.
> 
> >The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
> >print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.
> 
> >Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
> >their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
> >pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
> >same number of articles in print would.
> 
> >Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
> >print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
> >ones, but that's what we *need*.
> 
> >Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)
> 
> ==ml
> 
> -- 
> Michael Lucas
> mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
> http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
> Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons
> 
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Uh..  Actually, we don't need a bunch of "redhat" or "mandrake" or
"suse" bsd's comming out... anyone who uses linux and is somewhat good
usually knows what bsd is..

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ludington, Jacob wrote:

> >We already have a variety of web-based and email-based newsletters and
> >publications.  They're excellent at preaching to the converted.
> 
> >Sadly, paper publishing has a legitimacy in many eyes that the Web
> >doesn't have, yet.  This will hopefully change, but it's not quite
> >there yet.
> 
> >It's roughly analogous to the whole e-books thing; if they're so
> >great, why aren't decision-makers reading them on the bus?
> 
> I think you may be discounting the ability of email newsletters reaching the
> masses. The key is spreading the word about whatever newsletters are out
> there. I was not aware that Big Scary Daemons existed until seeing the URL
> listed at the bottom of your message. My guess would be there are many
> others who didn't know it existed either. 
> 
> If you write about something that people are interested in and make it easy
> for them to receive it they will spread the word and your readership will
> grow. O'Reilly doesn't make it obvious if its even possible to subscribe to
> Big Scary Daemons.(Where's the subscription form?)
> 
> As for e-books, there aren't exactly any conveniently(price and ease of use)
> designed readers on the market that I'm aware of. I'm not suggesting that
> email newsletters will ever completely replace print media, although the
> main reason I look at print publications anymore is solely for the
> advertising.
> 
> Jake Ludington
> 
> jake@ediblehype.com 
> 
>   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I've been reading online for almost 11 years now, and I still prefer the
hard copy version :)

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000 Joe.Warner@smed.com wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?
> 
> I wouldn't say everyone but speaking for myself, I like something
> that has great content, illustrations and something I can hold
> in my hands and read.  The same goes for books and reference
> manuals.  I don't know if it's because it's just what I'm used
> to and I don't know if I would have the same preference if I
> learned to read online and had never picked up a hard copy
> publication.
> 
> Joe
> 
> 
> 
> |--------+-------------------------------->
> |        |          "Ludington, Jacob"    |
> |        |          <Jacob.Ludington@ed.st|
> |        |          ate.ia.us>            |
> |        |                                |
> |        |          09/13/00 09:06 AM     |
> |        |          Please respond to     |
> |        |          "Jake Ludington       |
> |        |          (E-mail)"             |
> |        |                                |
> |--------+-------------------------------->
>   >---------------------------------------------------------|
>   |                                                         |
>   |       To:     "'Michael Lucas'"                         |
>   |       <mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org>                    |
>   |       cc:     "'freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG'"           |
>   |       <freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG>, (bcc: Joe          |
>   |       Warner/SMS)                                       |
>   |       Subject:     RE: BSD Magazine                     |
>   >---------------------------------------------------------|
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?  Wouldn't
> it make just as much sense to establish an BSD Email newsletter that
> provided poeople with useful articles delivered straight to their inbox?
> The
> authors of the articles could still get paid for their content, the
> newsletter could be supported by selling targeted advertising (the same
> thing that magazines do offline) and the content is already in an
> archivable
> format that could be referenced from the web anytime.  This would eliminate
> printing costs meaning that the newsletter could be provided to subscribers
> for free.
> 
> If anyone is interested in pursuing this model, feel free to contact me.  I
> don't have the time or expertise to write the content, but I would be more
> than willing to head up the launch and marketing of the newsletter.
> 
> Jake Ludington
> 
> jake@ediblehype.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:45:21AM -0400, Chris Coleman wrote:
> >> We did approach someone last year, but they said the market wasn't ready
> >> yet.  I don't know if it will be now or not.
> 
> >I doubt it is, sadly.
> 
> >The "real world" (i.e., everything not on the Web) doesn't see much in
> >print about BSD.  This needs to change before we see a BSD mag.
> 
> >Remember, publishing houses half dismiss the Web, and half quake in
> >their boots over it.  While DN publishes some very high-quality
> >pieces, it (from real-world POV) doesn't count nearly as much as the
> >same number of articles in print would.
> 
> >Moral of the story: do things the hard way, submit BSD articles to
> >print magazines.  They're not nearly as nice to work with as the web
> >ones, but that's what we *need*.
> 
> >Also, if anyone does start a print magazine, I want a column.  :)
> 
> ==ml
> 
> --
> Michael Lucas
> mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
> http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
> Big Scary Daemons: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/q/Big_Scary_Daemons
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Michael Lucas wrote:

> Perhaps a different sort of freebsd-announce, basically an email
> version of daily daemonnews?  You might even be able to pool resources
> with the daemonnews people somehow.  (I am in no way tied to DN, so
> don't take this as any sort of offer.)

	Um, *cough*, you can already subscribe to get email'ed the news
that shows up on the Daily Daemon News.  Under the box on the right hand
side that says :"Daemon News in your e-mail"

	It gets sent out every x number of stories, where I believe is x
is 10 if I recall correctly.

---
Joseph Scott
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Joseph Scott wrote:
> 	Um, *cough*, you can already subscribe to get email'ed the news
> that shows up on the Daily Daemon News.  Under the box on the right hand
> side that says :"Daemon News in your e-mail"

Hmmm, this foot is yummy.  Would you like a bite, or shall I finish it
myself?

Okay, back on topic: BSD magazine, means either corporate sponsorship
or more exposure.  Generate exposure, and you'll get your magazine one
way or another.  Specific methods for exposing BSD are your regular
-advocacy fare.

Speaking of which, the second SeMIBUG meeting is tonight.  Those of
you in Southeast Michigan, check out www.semibug.mi.org and show up!

==ml

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Has anybody lobbied CMP or Ziff-Davis?  I'm kind of thinking that ZD
would publish a magazine on CP/M if enough people lobbied them, and CMP
owns the carcass of Byte, which used to be the most respectable computer
mag in existence at one time...

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Michael Lucas wrote:

> Joseph Scott wrote:
> > 	Um, *cough*, you can already subscribe to get email'ed the news
> > that shows up on the Daily Daemon News.  Under the box on the right hand
> > side that says :"Daemon News in your e-mail"
> 
> Hmmm, this foot is yummy.  Would you like a bite, or shall I finish it
> myself?
> 
> Okay, back on topic: BSD magazine, means either corporate sponsorship
> or more exposure.  Generate exposure, and you'll get your magazine one
> way or another.  Specific methods for exposing BSD are your regular
> -advocacy fare.
> 
> Speaking of which, the second SeMIBUG meeting is tonight.  Those of
> you in Southeast Michigan, check out www.semibug.mi.org and show up!
> 
> ==ml
> 
> 

-- 
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>BTW, Big Scary Daemons isn't a newsletter, it's just a column.  It's
>part of the BSD DevCenter.  (Just a column... never mind that when I
>was asked to write a regular column for the company I consider the
>Dean of Technical Publishers I yelped loudly enough that my wife
>thought I had stepped on a nail again.  :)


>> O'Reilly doesn't make it obvious if its even possible to subscribe to
>> Big Scary Daemons.(Where's the subscription form?)

>It's not, you have to go there.  But it could certainly be better
>advertised.  (Then again, it's new, give Chris some time.  :) The same
>could be said for any BSD resources.

This would be where companies like O'Reilly are doing their customers and
columnists a huge disservice.  While I am sure it is thrilling to write for
O'Reilly's website, it would be even better for you to know that people are
reading what you write.  It's well known in the IT industry that O'Reilly
publishes some of the best books out there, think of the added value they
could be providing by delivering your column to readers inboxes on a regular
basis.  I don't know about you, but personally I don't have time to check
for new content at every website I visit. However, I do check my email
several times a day and I read almost every issue of every newletter I
subscribe to.  If your column was sent to my inbox, assuming there was a
place for me to sign up for it, I would read it every time it came out. As
it stands now, I don't know for certain when it comes out.  Feel free to
pass this info on to Chris at O'Reilly, I would love to visit with him about
the possibilities this could create.(If for no other reason than I could get
expert opinions like yours delivered straight to my machine on a regular
basis.)

Jake Ludington
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I would like to be in charge of Art Direction; the Linux magazines are such
a mess visually.  Can't there be a magazine with visuals that are organized
and easy to read?  I think so.

John M.


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> I actually have some experience in publishing, and working with
> publishers.  There's two ways we could make this a reality.
>
> 1) Do it ourselves.
>
> This is a pain, and less "legit" looking.  We could put a plan
> together and try to get some fancy corporate backing (i.e., BSDi), but
> then we need to assemble distributors, handle record-keeping, etc.
> It's not a small job.  Doing it single-handedly is a really, *really*
> sucky and thankless job.  (I used to work for AGIS; believe me, I know
> "sucky".)  With corporate backing it would be a full-time job.
>
> 2) Convince a media conglomerate to do it.
>
> Media companies will publish anything that there is a market for.
> They need print runs of a good 5,000-10,000 magazines to make it even
> vaguely worthwhile.  The editors need to know that they can sell that
> many copies of a magazine.
>
> This boils down to, people need to ask for the magazine.  Just like in
> software support.  Polite grassroots efforts, and so on.
>
> The editors also need to see articles on the same topic in other
> magazines, for cross-pollination.
>
> My summation: if you want to see a BSD magazine, make a two-pronged
> effort:
>
> a) contact editors and ask for it.  Politely.
>
> b) sell BSD articles to print magazines
>
> c) Involve the other BSDs in a) and b).  This is a case where numbers
> matter big-time, just like counting page views.
>
> I'm giving a talk on b) at BSDCon, and will hopefully make a revised
> paper available after the conference.
>
> ==ml
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 08:59:34AM -0500, Ignacio Cristerna wrote:
> > After seeing all this Linux frenzy, I keep wondering and thinking about
the
> > same thing. There are currently 2 Linux magazines that I know of. Is it
too
> > much to ask to have a BSD magazine. I think that we should aim for a
more
> > streamlined format, maybe a PDF or PS file that everyone could print out
or
> > a magazine with a few pages. I believe the point would be to create a
sense
> > of community and let the rest of the world that we are here, that we are
> > have a good "product" to offer.
> > Just my 2 centavos.
> >
> > Greetings to the FreeBSD community (with or without magazine) from
> > Monterrey, Mexico.
>
> --
> Michael Lucas
> mwlucas@blackhelicopters.org
> http://www.blackhelicopters.org/~mwlucas/
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:48:39AM -0700, John M wrote:
> I would like to be in charge of Art Direction; the Linux magazines are such
> a mess visually.  Can't there be a magazine with visuals that are organized
> and easy to read?  I think so.

Great!  We can get Chris to edit, and I'll write furiously.  

All we need now is a publisher.  >;) (And, while I'm dreaming, I'd
like a pony.)

Seriously, yes, the Linux mag visuals are "trendy".  Blech.

==ml

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> place for me to sign up for it, I would read it every time it came out. As
> it stands now, I don't know for certain when it comes out.  Feel free to
> pass this info on to Chris at O'Reilly, I would love to visit with him about
> the possibilities this could create.(If for no other reason than I could get
> expert opinions like yours delivered straight to my machine on a regular
> basis.)

	You're not the only person... I didn't even know about it until I
found a link from daemonnews (I believe...)

						Rick



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> Daemon News has always been interested in having a print version.  But we
> would need some pretty good sponsorship  to get it to happen.  All of us
> still have day jobs.

Someone in Japan needs to talk with the publishers of BSD Magazine
there again, I think.  Last time I discussed this with them, which was
back in April I think, they expressed a keen interest in doing an
english language version of their BSD-oriented magazine and wanted to
know more about the market demographics and size of the subscriber base.

Unfortunately, I can only make numbers up when it comes to the
potential subscriber base and it would require someone who's been
"publishing" for awhile to come up with the hard numbers for page
views, click-throughs, whatever, that they require in making this
decision.  That's not me. :)

- Jordan


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> One good proxy for a number of likely magazine subscribers might be the
> subscribers to FREEBSD CDs multiplied by 1.x

Already tried that, they didn't see it that way.  They want the actual
number of people who will be interested in buying a magazine, not
installation media.

They would also like to know the number of potential advertisers.
Aside from one ("BSDi"), I don't know of any companies which would
"for sure" advertise in a BSD magazine and that's kind of another big
problem.  Most magazines make the bulk of their operating revenue on
selling adverts, not on subscription fees and, unlike the Linux world,
the BSD world isn't exactly exploding with hundreds of companies all
trying to cash in on the gold rush.

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Hello All,

Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, if so please let me know where.

I've just set up my system on FreeBSD 4.0 and I'm using KDE.  My mouse
pointer in KDE is a square blotchy blob as opposed to the pointer (arrow)
I'm used to with Linux.  Can anyone point in the right direction to change
my mouse pointer?

Thanks,

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From: Joshua Barker <phire@jigaboos.com>
To: "Ludington, Jacob" <Jacob.Ludington@ed.state.ia.us>
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Jake, you're uhhh... missing the whole point here, the point is we offered
to pay for a hard copy newsletter that would arrive in our MAILBOX like,
paper and stuff? you know? maybe not, but you keep rambling about how
INBOX is better for us since it's free, and blah blah blah when we said
we'd PAY for a hard copy that we could hold in our hands and read.. Are
you still missing the point?

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Ludington, Jacob wrote:

> 
> 
> >BTW, Big Scary Daemons isn't a newsletter, it's just a column.  It's
> >part of the BSD DevCenter.  (Just a column... never mind that when I
> >was asked to write a regular column for the company I consider the
> >Dean of Technical Publishers I yelped loudly enough that my wife
> >thought I had stepped on a nail again.  :)
> 
> 
> >> O'Reilly doesn't make it obvious if its even possible to subscribe to
> >> Big Scary Daemons.(Where's the subscription form?)
> 
> >It's not, you have to go there.  But it could certainly be better
> >advertised.  (Then again, it's new, give Chris some time.  :) The same
> >could be said for any BSD resources.
> 
> This would be where companies like O'Reilly are doing their customers and
> columnists a huge disservice.  While I am sure it is thrilling to write for
> O'Reilly's website, it would be even better for you to know that people are
> reading what you write.  It's well known in the IT industry that O'Reilly
> publishes some of the best books out there, think of the added value they
> could be providing by delivering your column to readers inboxes on a regular
> basis.  I don't know about you, but personally I don't have time to check
> for new content at every website I visit. However, I do check my email
> several times a day and I read almost every issue of every newletter I
> subscribe to.  If your column was sent to my inbox, assuming there was a
> place for me to sign up for it, I would read it every time it came out. As
> it stands now, I don't know for certain when it comes out.  Feel free to
> pass this info on to Chris at O'Reilly, I would love to visit with him about
> the possibilities this could create.(If for no other reason than I could get
> expert opinions like yours delivered straight to my machine on a regular
> basis.)
> 
> Jake Ludington
> jake@ediblehype.com   
> 
> 
> 
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> we'd PAY for a hard copy that we could hold in our hands and read.. Are

Great, could you guys just quietly count yourselves up and send the
total to BSD Magazine, care of ASCII publishing in Tokyo, Japan? :-)

- Jordan


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Heh what I was getting at is, if some company decided to publish a BSD
magazine, I'd rather subscribe to that than something in e-mail.

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> > we'd PAY for a hard copy that we could hold in our hands and read.. Are
> 
> Great, could you guys just quietly count yourselves up and send the
> total to BSD Magazine, care of ASCII publishing in Tokyo, Japan? :-)
> 
> - Jordan
> 



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> Heh what I was getting at is, if some company decided to publish a BSD
> magazine, I'd rather subscribe to that than something in e-mail.

And what I was getting at was, unless you can somehow communicate
those exact desires back to a prospective publisher, no company will
simply "decide to publish a BSD magazine" because they don't know how
successful it will be and your desires are never fulfilled.  It seems
a lot of people are failing to get the point around here. :-)

- Jordan


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Sep 13 13:15:17 2000
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what you were saying was that why not just go with inbox because you'd
rather have inbox, because it's faster and free.. but not all of us would
rather have it in our inbox, but yet our mailbox:)

On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Jordan Hubbard wrote:

> > Heh what I was getting at is, if some company decided to publish a BSD
> > magazine, I'd rather subscribe to that than something in e-mail.
> 
> And what I was getting at was, unless you can somehow communicate
> those exact desires back to a prospective publisher, no company will
> simply "decide to publish a BSD magazine" because they don't know how
> successful it will be and your desires are never fulfilled.  It seems
> a lot of people are failing to get the point around here. :-)
> 
> - Jordan
> 



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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Sep 13 13:27:32 2000
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> what you were saying was that why not just go with inbox because you'd
> rather have inbox, because it's faster and free.. but not all of us would

I never said anything of the sort during this conversation.  Check
your attribution more carefully. :)

- Jordan


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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Sep 13 13:27:51 2000
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I'm not suggesting that an online newsletter would completely replace the
possibility of an offline mag. However, the world of online publishing moves
at a much greater speed than the stodgy print world and by developing a
countable readership online it might be possible to translate that into a
marketable offline venture.  The perceived risk involved in starting an
online publication is much lower than in the offline world as well. Magazine
publishers only cover 30-50% of publication costs through subscriptions so
they have much more to lose in terms of hard costs by launching a mag for an
untested market.

Jake Ludington

> what you were saying was that why not just go with inbox because you'd
> rather have inbox, because it's faster and free.. but not all 
> of us would
> rather have it in our inbox, but yet our mailbox:)
> 
> On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> 
> > > Heh what I was getting at is, if some company decided to 
> publish a BSD
> > > magazine, I'd rather subscribe to that than something in e-mail.
> > 
> > And what I was getting at was, unless you can somehow communicate
> > those exact desires back to a prospective publisher, no company will
> > simply "decide to publish a BSD magazine" because they 
> don't know how
> > successful it will be and your desires are never fulfilled. 
>  It seems
> > a lot of people are failing to get the point around here. :-)
> > 
> > - Jordan
> > 
> 
> 
> 
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Wed Sep 13 13:58: 7 2000
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Just for kicks,

could somebody point out the advantages of a 
BSD-specific magazine ?

Most of the things I like to know about are

1)	applications that are
	not uniqely BSD: Sendmail configuration,
	Perl hacking, apache, PHP, what-have-you.

2)	Issues that relate to OS design and imple-
	mentation in general.

3)	FreeBSD specific issues that I think are
	too specialized to attract a sufficiently
	large audience:
	Implementation of kernel threads,
	Writing BSD device drivers etc...

Most of these things are adequately covered by
various online and print sources. (DaemonNews
being my prime source for 3 ).

I would like read, and subscribe to, a magazine that
covers at least points 2 and 3, especially if it
brought some profit to the people doing the actual
BSD developement.

Where do I sign up ?

Marc Veldman, CFBSDN (Certified FreeBSD Newbie)



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> Sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, if so please let me know where.

	Actually, it is... you really should ask in
freebsd-questions@freebsd.org You'll get much better, and more
answers. Plus it's on topic for that group. :)

				Rick

> I've just set up my system on FreeBSD 4.0 and I'm using KDE.  My mouse
> pointer in KDE is a square blotchy blob as opposed to the pointer (arrow)
> I'm used to with Linux.  Can anyone point in the right direction to change
> my mouse pointer?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
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[cc butchered for the general audience]

On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 01:08:32PM -0700, Jordan Hubbard wrote:
> > we'd PAY for a hard copy that we could hold in our hands and read.. Are
> Great, could you guys just quietly count yourselves up and send the
> total to BSD Magazine, care of ASCII publishing in Tokyo, Japan? :-)

The ASCII folks are certainly going to want information that we on
this list can't provide without some serious
pulling-numbers-out-of-bodily-orifice-of-your-choice.  Remember the
three kinds of math: lies, damned lies, and statistics.  We'd be
creating the worst of the lot.  :)

I still say the best way to get a BSD magazine is to get more BSD
articles in print.  Once we hit a certain critical mass, a publisher
will start it on their own.  Heck, if DB2 has a magazine, we can.

Right now, months can pass without a single BSD article in print.  We
have one book, although more is on the way.

When you see a BSD article in print, contact the editor.  Let them
know you found the article informative, and would like to see more of
them.  Many paper publishers shoot articles into the dark and hope
that nobody bitches too much about them.  Compliments stand out much
more because of it.

Believe it or else, editors want articles that are well-written and
coherent.  If you can put words in a row, apply grammar and a minimum
of thought, they'll buy it.

Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to excuse myself from this thread
and go put my keystrokes where my mouth is.

==ml

-- 
Michael Lucas
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On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:58:02PM +0200, Marc Veldman wrote:
> Just for kicks,
> 
> could somebody point out the advantages of a 
> BSD-specific magazine ?
> 

<scrunch up face, kick feet>

Them penguin bastards have a magazine, and we want one too!

==ml

</sarcasm>

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> > Just for kicks,
> > 
> > could somebody point out the advantages of a 
> > BSD-specific magazine ?
> > 
> 
> <scrunch up face, kick feet>
> 
> Them penguin bastards have a magazine, and we want one too!

	Yeah... it'd probally get denounced by all the right-wing
Christian groups too for have a devil on the cover... :) Especially a
friendly ol' fellow enticing our children from the newsracks right below
Playboy and Penthouse, to enter into the 'Demonic world of computers...'
:)


					Rick



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That's a pretty good advantage: "it doesn't matter what they say, so long
as they spell the name right", various politicians.

On Tue, 12 Sep 2000, Rick Hamell wrote:

> 
> > > Just for kicks,
> > > 
> > > could somebody point out the advantages of a 
> > > BSD-specific magazine ?
> > > 
> > 
> > <scrunch up face, kick feet>
> > 
> > Them penguin bastards have a magazine, and we want one too!
> 
> 	Yeah... it'd probally get denounced by all the right-wing
> Christian groups too for have a devil on the cover... :) Especially a
> friendly ol' fellow enticing our children from the newsracks right below
> Playboy and Penthouse, to enter into the 'Demonic world of computers...'
> :)
> 
> 
> 					Rick
> 
> 
> 
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I still prefer reading good old fashioned hardcopy.  I retain more of
what I read, and more importantly, I can relax while reading it.  After
a day of computing at the office, this just isn't possible at home at
night in front of a computer.  Thats why I have stacks and stacks of
howto's and man's on my shelves. If there was an on-line magazine I
would print it out anyway.  Rob. 


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> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2000 at 10:06:47AM -0500, Ludington, Jacob wrote:
> > Why is everyone concerned with the traditional publishing model?
> 
> We already have a variety of web-based and email-based newsletters and
> publications.  They're excellent at preaching to the converted.
> 
> Sadly, paper publishing has a legitimacy in many eyes that the Web
> doesn't have, yet.  This will hopefully change, but it's not quite
> there yet.
> 
> It's roughly analogous to the whole e-books thing; if they're so
> great, why aren't decision-makers reading them on the bus?
> 
> --
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> I'm used to with Linux.  Can anyone point in the right direction to change
> my mouse pointer?

Hmmm, "getting started" ? ;-)

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> Great, could you guys just quietly count yourselves up and send the

Kinda hard to "quietly" count when all we're connected by is these two
pipes called -advocacy@ and -newbies@ :-)))

Me and 4 copies to the Ukraine... It'd be the one trade mag I'd actually
sit down and read.

An important point was raised earlier. We can have a glossy rag with a
lot of cigarette, beer and SUV ads or we can pay (a lot) more for one
which is actually mostly content. BSD is at the stage where we won't
attract a lot of consumer ads, so we should be ready to pay about $12
for our mag to get content like, say ;login:

For me, that'd still be a bargain. If I get one useful idea out of every
2 issues, that's money in the bank! I'm sure our collective batting
average would be better than that, so I'd be in the black with no
trouble on a subscription. :-)
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Hello,

How can I add devices files to fixit.flp ? 

I purchased a single CD containing FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE. fixit.flp dosen't
have the device file corresponding to the partition I installed FreeBSD
on, namely, /dev/ad0s2a. Probably may I need to use vnode disk, but
it's a bit complicated for a starter. So concretely how do I have to
proceed ?

Also there dosen't seem to be 'mount' command there (there are mount_nfs
and mount_mfs). How do you mount a partion ?

tia.
 
j.





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Hi, I just installed a FreeBSD Unix to this new machine.

I already has a webserver installed and running in a LAN at the office,
with some desktops connected.  It has 256 IP's, more than 200 IP's are
free. This webserver hosts 30+ webdomains actually.

I will install this new machine at the same LAN, and need to configure
it to be able to be accessed via Telnet, so the future webmaster person
will be able to remotely instal Apache, Perl and so on, and turn this
new machine into a secondary WebServer that will be installed somewhere
else later on, of course, again changing IP's, DNS's, etc. 

The idea is to use the actual DSL, router, etc., we have at the office,
just to allow the remote webmaster person to access this new "to-be"
webserver and do the job.

What files at the new UNIX do I need to change and configure IP's, etc.,
to make it remotely available via telnet?

I am sorry, I am just a novice at Unix (unfortunately), but dealing with
PC's since 1984. I am starting to like Unix, I doesn't have those nasty
blue screens... :)

Thanks a lot.

Chris.


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On 14-Sep-00 Wagner wrote:
> Hi, I just installed a FreeBSD Unix to this new machine.

<SNIP>
 
> What files at the new UNIX do I need to change and configure IP's, etc.,
> to make it remotely available via telnet?
> 

Do not use telnet, it is very insecure and what you are talking about
requires superuser access. Use SSH instead, it's pretty much the encrypted
counterpart of Telnet. SSH is in the portcollection, I would recommend going
with ssh or Openssh, not ssh2 since I've heard a lot of bad things about it.
You probably want to add the user to the group wheel so he can use su and or
install sudo to make his life even easier.

If you go with ssh you shouldn't have to do anything with the unixbox as long
as you have connectivity to the Internet.

> I am sorry, I am just a novice at Unix (unfortunately), but dealing with
> PC's since 1984. I am starting to like Unix, I doesn't have those nasty
> blue screens... :)
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
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I didn't notice the second /stand dir.
My apologies.

j.


I wrote:

>Hello,
>
>How can I add devices files to fixit.flp ? 
>
>I purchased a single CD containing FreeBSD 4.0 RELEASE. fixit.flp dosen't
>have the device file corresponding to the partition I installed FreeBSD
>on, namely, /dev/ad0s2a. Probably may I need to use vnode disk, but
>it's a bit complicated for a starter. So concretely how do I have to
>proceed ?
>
>Also there dosen't seem to be 'mount' command there (there are mount_nfs
>and mount_mfs). How do you mount a partion ?
>
>tia.
> 
>j.





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Hello.
I have a simple question: is there some image-viewer for svgalib, but
not for X-Window?

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Sep 15  6:13:32 2000
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Sorry, dont remember his name exactly in the moment, the guy who
devellopped PICOBSD, the one floppy FBSD distribution, wrote some image
viewer, source is at the Pico BSD page on www.freebsd.org, ask altavista
for pico bsd, or try w.f.o/~picobsd. I am offline at the moment. 

This viewer didnt compile here, but this means nothing..

H.

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Vladimir Melnik wrote:

> Hello.
> I have a simple question: is there some image-viewer for svgalib, but
> not for X-Window?
> 
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heh who cares. just enable telnet when you need to use it.. also how is
telnet rootable?

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Joel Bjork wrote:

> 
> On 14-Sep-00 Wagner wrote:
> > Hi, I just installed a FreeBSD Unix to this new machine.
> 
> <SNIP>
>  
> > What files at the new UNIX do I need to change and configure IP's, etc.,
> > to make it remotely available via telnet?
> > 
> 
> Do not use telnet, it is very insecure and what you are talking about
> requires superuser access. Use SSH instead, it's pretty much the encrypted
> counterpart of Telnet. SSH is in the portcollection, I would recommend going
> with ssh or Openssh, not ssh2 since I've heard a lot of bad things about it.
> You probably want to add the user to the group wheel so he can use su and or
> install sudo to make his life even easier.
> 
> If you go with ssh you shouldn't have to do anything with the unixbox as long
> as you have connectivity to the Internet.
> 
> > I am sorry, I am just a novice at Unix (unfortunately), but dealing with
> > PC's since 1984. I am starting to like Unix, I doesn't have those nasty
> > blue screens... :)
> > 
> > Thanks a lot.
> > 
> > Chris.
> > 
> > 
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zgv

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Vladimir Melnik wrote:

> Hello.
> I have a simple question: is there some image-viewer for svgalib, but
> not for X-Window?
> 
> -- 
> V.Melnik
> 
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From: "Joshua Barker" <phire@jigaboos.com>
> heh who cares. just enable telnet when you need to use it.. also how is
> telnet rootable?

You can't enable telnet remotely.  So when you really need telnet (ie not
sitting at the console) you have no way to enable it.

Telnet sends passwords in cleartext.  If anyone sniffs your packets, they
can grab your password.  If you su to root (or log in as root), they can
grab your root password as well.  SSH sends all passwords encrypted,
preventing anyone from intercepting your password.


Wayne






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Can anyone explain what I did wrong to get the following:
# ee Makefile
Error opening terminal: unisys-td830-ndl.
# vi Makefile
vi: No terminal database found
# 

I had these editors working fine in BSD 3.3 but since my ports were so far
out of date I decided it would be simpler to do an ftp install of 4.1-stable
instead...I completely wiped everything out for this new install and now I
cant edit simple files

I don't recall having to do anything unusual to get these to work before.


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Jason, I am no expert, but I think your TERM environmental variable is set
wrong.  Try setting it to ANSI.  Here is the command I would use in the bash
shell:

export TERM=ANSI

You may also want to check .profile or wherever your TERM gets set, and
change it here as well.

...Michael...

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> 
> 
> Can anyone explain what I did wrong to get the following:
> # ee Makefile
> Error opening terminal: unisys-td830-ndl.
> # vi Makefile
> vi: No terminal database found
> # 
> 
> I had these editors working fine in BSD 3.3 but since my 
> ports were so far
> out of date I decided it would be simpler to do an ftp 
> install of 4.1-stable
> instead...I completely wiped everything out for this new 
> install and now I
> cant edit simple files
> 
> I don't recall having to do anything unusual to get these to 
> work before.
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Try vnc -- /usr/ports/net/vnc

You can read up on it here:
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> I'm looking for a port or package for a pcanywhere type program
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alex wrote:
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> I'm looking for a port or package for a pcanywhere type program
> any suggestions

XFree86? Just a suggestion...

By itself, X isn't all too secure, but logging in the remote machine
with ssh then exporting will work. Even Windows machines with an X
server (Reflections) can access remote X applications. I do this all the
time at work with several hundred Solaris boxes on the net. The exact
procedure is more than -newbies is for, but check out the X
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Have you took a look at nsupdate thats included with BIND?

Lee.

On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 06:16:51PM -0400, Cribbins, Jason wrote:
> Is there a specific port or daemon to support DYNDNS as detailed in RFC
> 2136.  I have looked everywhere but I think my efforts are lost on the fact
> that I am probably not using the right search terms as no results have been
> returned except for one program that's made for winnt/linux.
> 
> I was hoping for something more native to the BSD platform...maybe something
> in the ports collection.
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Yeah, I was about to suggest that.  VNC works great!

Cheers

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Try vnc -- /usr/ports/net/vnc

You can read up on it here:
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Sep 15 11:26:51 2000
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Jason, good luck.  I have found many of the linux ones do work, however I
have yet to find the ideal client.

There is a perl script available (I think from the dyndns web site) that is
the best so far.  It does have one major flaw: It will send updates
everytime it is run.  It needs to check if the IP has changed, and only send
when changed.  I already have a new script written to check for a IP change,
but have not tested it yet.  Let me know if you are interested, and I can
get you the dysdns script and my add on to it.

...Michael...


> On Thu, Sep 14, 2000 at 06:16:51PM -0400, Cribbins, Jason wrote:
> > Is there a specific port or daemon to support DYNDNS as 
> detailed in RFC
> > 2136.  I have looked everywhere but I think my efforts are 
> lost on the fact
> > that I am probably not using the right search terms as no 
> results have been
> > returned except for one program that's made for winnt/linux.
> > 
> > I was hoping for something more native to the BSD 
> platform...maybe something
> > in the ports collection.
> > 
> > Any help is appreciated!
> > 
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> I'm looking for a port or package for a pcanywhere type program
> any suggestions

	Please ask questions in -questions. You might also want to check
out http://www.freebsd.org/ports there is a program for such things, but
it escapes my mind as to the actual name at this point... :(


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Firewalls only protect the network INSIDE the firewall.  Anything outside
the firewall is vulnerable.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joshua Barker" <phire@jigaboos.com>
> Firewall?  Uhh, if you have a firewall on both systems, only allowing
> computer A and computer B to accept connections on port 21, the rest are
> denied, no one will be able to sniff your packets, right?
>
> On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Wayne Sheppard wrote:
>
> > From: "Joshua Barker" <phire@jigaboos.com>
> > > heh who cares. just enable telnet when you need to use it.. also how
is
> > > telnet rootable?
> >
> > You can't enable telnet remotely.  So when you really need telnet (ie
not
> > sitting at the console) you have no way to enable it.
> >
> > Telnet sends passwords in cleartext.  If anyone sniffs your packets,
they
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Has anyone considered the publishers of MaximumPC and Maximum Linix? Max PC 
came first, and then they create MaxLinux... They are the only ones that I 
can find that are more user and tweaker oriented... versus the more business 
oriented PC magazine/world.

Just a thought.

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This sounds like a good idea.  How about the publishers of Linux Magazine?
I their content/layout too.  But then again, wouldn't the publishers of a
Linux magazine be too biased?

Joe



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Has anyone considered the publishers of MaximumPC and Maximum Linix? Max PC
came first, and then they create MaxLinux... They are the only ones that I
can find that are more user and tweaker oriented... versus the more
business
oriented PC magazine/world.

Just a thought.

Thanks,
Jason La
jasonla_@hotmail.com

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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Fri Sep 15 20:10:35 2000
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Firewall?  Uhh, if you have a firewall on both systems, only allowing
computer A and computer B to accept connections on port 21, the rest are
denied, no one will be able to sniff your packets, right?

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Wayne Sheppard wrote:

> From: "Joshua Barker" <phire@jigaboos.com>
> > heh who cares. just enable telnet when you need to use it.. also how is
> > telnet rootable?
> 
> You can't enable telnet remotely.  So when you really need telnet (ie not
> sitting at the console) you have no way to enable it.
> 
> Telnet sends passwords in cleartext.  If anyone sniffs your packets, they
> can grab your password.  If you su to root (or log in as root), they can
> grab your root password as well.  SSH sends all passwords encrypted,
> preventing anyone from intercepting your password.
> 
> 
> Wayne
> 
> 
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um..how can they sniff your packets though when both machines are talking
on a secure line? you have to connect to my machine first to be able to
packet sniff, and if the firewall is denying your connection then you
can't listen in on the port..

On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Wayne Sheppard wrote:

> Firewalls only protect the network INSIDE the firewall.  Anything outside
> the firewall is vulnerable.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joshua Barker" <phire@jigaboos.com>
> > Firewall?  Uhh, if you have a firewall on both systems, only allowing
> > computer A and computer B to accept connections on port 21, the rest are
> > denied, no one will be able to sniff your packets, right?
> >
> > On Fri, 15 Sep 2000, Wayne Sheppard wrote:
> >
> > > From: "Joshua Barker" <phire@jigaboos.com>
> > > > heh who cares. just enable telnet when you need to use it.. also how
> is
> > > > telnet rootable?
> > >
> > > You can't enable telnet remotely.  So when you really need telnet (ie
> not
> > > sitting at the console) you have no way to enable it.
> > >
> > > Telnet sends passwords in cleartext.  If anyone sniffs your packets,
> they
> > > can grab your password.  If you su to root (or log in as root), they can
> > > grab your root password as well.  SSH sends all passwords encrypted,
> > > preventing anyone from intercepting your password.
> > >
> > >
> > > Wayne
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From owner-freebsd-newbies  Sat Sep 16  6:30:44 2000
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Anyone got a good pointer to a 'quick help' regular expressions ref I can
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On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, Marc Veldman wrote:

> could somebody point out the advantages of a 
> BSD-specific magazine ?

I want something on paper.  While e-mail and the web are cool, they are
far from persistent.  I can't read a file written ten years ago in the
standard word processing tool of the day.  Any articles I read and enjoyed
on any commercial or main-stream electronic services are now long gone.  I
have now assurance that www.daemonnews.org is going to work in ten years
time when I want to reference a technical article there in a paper I
write.  And printers don't cut it -- I have enough leaf-litter of unsorted
and un-indexed papers lying around already.

I'd happily pay the going rate for magazines to get a nicely bound
twice to three times as thick Daemon News.  At one point, Jordan was
spitting out FreeBSD newsletters on paper -- throw that stuff in also,
maybe reviews of recent major commits on various platform source trees
(sort of like the new stuff page on the NetBSD web site) so people (users,
developers) from various projects can keep up-to-date.

  Robert N M Watson 

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