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Date:      Wed, 24 Oct 2018 06:59:42 -0700 (PDT)
From:      "Rodney W. Grimes" <freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
To:        Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com>
Cc:        freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-arch@freebsd.org, freebsd-fcp@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: FCP-0101: Deprecating most 10/100 Ethernet drivers
Message-ID:  <201810241359.w9ODxgF8028397@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net>
In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfr3%2BnHYMT3cZY75Px776G2g_SkKKos7zS3mLsvWZMgN_g@mail.gmail.com>

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> > > > diff --git a/fcp-0000.md b/fcp-0000.md
> > > > index b4fe0f3..c8cc6f7 100644
> > > > --- a/fcp-0000.md
> > > > +++ b/fcp-0000.md
> > > > @@ -144,7 +144,10 @@ When the discussion of a change has come to a
> > suitable
> > > > and acceptable close it
> > > > SHOULD be updated to the `vote` state.
> > > >
> > > > At this time the FreeBSD Core Team will vote on the subject of the
> > FCP. The
> > > > -result of vote moves the FCP into the `accepted` or `rejected` state.
> > > > +result of vote moves the FCP into the `accepted` or `rejected` state.
> > The
> > > > +core team MAY make minor edits to the FCP to correct minor mistakes.
> > Core
> > > > +MAY return the proposal to the submitter if there are major problems
> > that
> > > > +need to be addressed.
> > >
> > > This is a Bad Idea, because it relies on common understanding of what is
> > minor. I was once involved with a standards body that had a procedure for
> > so-called clerical errors intended to deal with typos, punctuation etc;
> > this worked just fine until somebody claimed that the omission of the word
> > ?not? in a particular place was clearly a clerical error.
> >
> > And I have read case law that boiled down to the presents vs absence
> > of a comma in an agreement that had results far beyond "minor".
> >
> > Use of words minor and major should be red flags unless both
> > or explicitly defined, and even then those definitions often
> > have issues themselves.
> >
> 
> I'm not going to define every single word. FCP documents describe process.
> They are not legal documents, nor should they be. Major and minor have
> common enough meanings, and the basis of bylaws is that we trust core@.

The trust isssue is not core (though in this specific case it is
a core member submitting the FCP, that is not going to be the
case always).  The trust issue is do we allow the Author to make
this minor/major change decission and how does core get informed
that it has happened?

-- 
Rod Grimes                                                 rgrimes@freebsd.org



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