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Date:      Thu, 19 Apr 2001 14:30:09 -0700
From:      Sean Peck <seanp@loudcloud.com>
To:        Vincent Poy <vince@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>
Cc:        Jeremiah Gowdy <jgowdy@home.com>, Charles Burns <burnscharlesn@hotmail.com>, lplist@closedsrc.org, kris@obsecurity.org, mwlist@lanfear.com, freebsd@sysmach.com?, questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: the AMD factor in FreeBSD
Message-ID:  <3ADF58E1.3660FD8E@loudcloud.com>
References:  <Pine.BSF.4.31.0104191104240.4840-100000@oahu.WURLDLINK.NET>

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I don't know if the DURON is faster when overclocked, I personally stay away from
overclocking, I don't need it.

The only differences between the Athlon and the Duron is on chip cache, and speeds
of the front side bus, if I am not mistaken.

Athlons have larger L2 Cache I believe than the Durons, and are available with up to
a 200MHZ bus.

These are the only differences between the chips from my understanding (if I am
wrong I am sure someone here will set me straight)

Vincent Poy wrote:

> On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Sean Peck wrote:
>
> > I have been running AMD processors with both FreeBSD and BSDi for quite some
> > time now, and ATHLON is by far the better choice than the PIII or the P4.
>
>         I guess it is cheaper too and delivers far better performance for
> the pricing and you can still get a better or equivelent system for much
> less.
>
> > The only real issue with AMD is heat related they put out a lot of heat.. but
> > that's about the only "concern" and I have never had this be a problem.
>
>         Yep, I heard heat is the problem especially with those over
> 1Ghz...
>
> > I would highly recommend purchasing AMD over any Intel offering in
> > equivalent cost.  You will get far more bang for your buck with
> > Athlon/Duron over anything that Intel has in the price range, period.
>
>         True.  Now, speaking about the Duron, are the Duron's really
> faster than the Athlon's when both are overclocked?  Some guy who runs a
> cluster of 20-30 AMD's for rc5 crunching says the Duron is faster.
>
> Cheers,
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> > Jeremiah Gowdy wrote:
> >
> > > > > > Thanks for the insight but what about in a Single CPU environment?
> > > > >
> > > > > This depends on what you plan to do. The general consensus among the
> > > > > hardware reviewers is that the Athlon is overall faster than any other
> > > x86
> > > > > compatible CPU.
> > > >
> > > > Yep, that's what I read as well but are there any drawbacks to
> > > > being faster such as compatibilty and all that stuff?
> > > >
> > >
> > > The compatibility and all that stuff days of the K5 and K6 are long gone.
> > > Today, generally, if a cpu is x86 compatible, that's that.  There are no
> > > compatibility issues with the Athlon.
> > >
> > > > > The only significant performance advantage that the Pentium 3 has over
> > > the
> > > > > Athlon is that its l2 cache memory is _much_ faster than that of the
> > > Athlon.
> > >
> > > Could you explain this ?  If you're comparing Thunderbirds to Coppermines, I
> > > didn't think that was the case.
> > >
> > > > > The Athlon has a superior floating point unit that is, in addition, more
> > > > > deeply pipelined. When using software that isn't optimized for any
> > > > > particular FPU, the Athlon is typically just under 30% faster. (Some
> > > > > examples of this can be seen on comparisons between the two at
> > > Anandtech)
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, that's what I am concerned about.  It seems that most things
> > > > are optimized for the Intel CPU's.  While the FPU is faster on the Athlon
> > > > than the Intel, what about the non-FPU area?
> > >
> > > In business applications benchmarks the Athlon always stomps the P3.
> > >
> > > > > The Athlon can take more advantage of higher memory bandwidth than the
> > > P3
> > > > > (but probably not the P4), thus you can get a greater performance
> > > benefit in
> > > > > some cases using DDR RAM.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking about DDR RAM, what kind of performance hits would there
> > > > be using DDR versus non-DDR RAM?
> > >
> > > If I remember correctly, depending on the type the best SDRAM gets about 800
> > > megs/sec.  DDR SDRAM comes in two flavors, 1.6 gigs/sec and 2.1gigs/sec.
> > >
> > > > > The Athlon is much, much cheaper. Motherboards, however, are more
> > > expensive.
> > > > > The overall cost ends up lower with the Athlon, especially if you are
> > > > > considering the price/perormance ratio.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, that's what I realized as well.  It seems like the VIA and
> > > > AMD chipset based motherboards costs a lot more than the Intel variants.
> > >
> > > You can get an Athlon motherboard for $100.  Even if the Intel motherboard
> > > was half that, at $50, the difference in the prices of the cpus is FAR more
> > > than $50.  Up to $200 in the higher end processors.  People always speak of
> > > the higher cost of Athlon motherboards but I don't see the point if the AMD
> > > cpu is 40% cheaper and the difference in motherboard prices is relatively
> > > pennies when you're speaking of a multi-hundred dollar purchase.
> > >
> > > > Thanks, I'm familiar with all of those.  I guess I just wanted to
> > > > know how they do under FreeBSD since all the sites really benchmark it
> > > > under Windows.
> > >
> > > It's the same.  If the code is written and compiled properly, the difference
> > > should be seen in all OSes.
> > >
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