From owner-freebsd-mobile@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Aug 2 06:58:17 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCE811065759 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 06:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: from sigma.octantis.com.au (ns2.octantis.com.au [207.44.189.124]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 807468FC08 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 06:58:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@meijome.net) Received: (qmail 14158 invoked from network); 2 Aug 2008 01:58:19 -0500 Received: from 203-166-248-146.dyn.iinet.net.au (HELO ayiin) (203.166.248.146) by sigma.octantis.com.au with (DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA encrypted) SMTP; 2 Aug 2008 01:58:19 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:58:12 +1000 From: Norberto Meijome To: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20080802165812.536c8d83@ayiin> In-Reply-To: <200808020028.m720SoUh031697@yoda.pixi.com> References: <200808020028.m720SoUh031697@yoda.pixi.com> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.11; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Face: 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 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [OT] Re: Laptop suggestions? X-BeenThere: freebsd-mobile@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Mobile computing with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:58:17 -0000 On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:28:51 HST knowtree@aloha.com wrote: [....] > Success on the desktop and laptop is vital to the future of FOSS. The > commercial market will continue to try to monopolize new technology, their > goal being to lock customers in and lock us out. hi :) I understand your point, and to a certain degree I agree - good support for desktop platforms is important and will obviously increase the user base of that particular OS . ( the discussion whether OS dominance is the goal of part of the communities behind Linux (it seems to be) or *BSD (I don't think so) is another altogether, and probably OT in this list.) But I don't think the future of FOSS hinges on desktop platform support.All the big $$ into FOSS isn't being made (AFAIK), on desktop products, but on the server, embedded , consulting side of things. I am by NO means saying desktop support isn't important, for the project or personally (I've been running Linux and lately BSD on several of my home desktops + work laptops for 10 years ) [....] > If the FOSS community > cannot offer a *viable* alternative to commercial operating systems, nobody > will come to our party. Sure I can put up with not using the built-in WiFi > interface in my D830 -- I have a Lucent Gold PC-Card that works just fine. > That is the tolerance only found in fans. In true believers. The vast > majority of people will laugh at this, dismiss me as eccentric, and go > right on using the commercial OS. Because it works. Does it work? for them, great. for me, it doesn't. Or maybe FBSD has worked great enough that I don't need to consider the MS alternative ( most of the 'commercial' needs I have point me to MS (Sonicwall, Visio, testing of w32 apps...) FWIW, my experience with OS-X driver support not that great, .. What works out of the box, works also in FBSD. when there aren't drivers for OSX, there usually is there something out there for FBSD (in particular, a canon USB scanner I've had for years wouldn't work on OSX nor Windows, but sane just picked it up. funny hey. I can possibly install sane on OSX, but I can't be bothered investing time on learning how to plug in all the FOSS frameworks into it.) > I remember when FOSS fans loved to brag about how long they left their > servers up. An uptime of 360d was the Holy Grail. What made such > conversation entertaining was the look on the Windows SAs faces. These poor > guys were lucky to have a system run a whole day. In their world, lockups > and reboots were taken for granted. and those facts (not so much that Unix is better ;) , but the instability of early NT3.x/4/2000... systems) pushed Microsoft to make more reliable systems, and I am sure this improves things for everyone (except those that have this near-religious view that anything they don't agree with must be removed from all silicon-powered devices throughout the world...). > I want the same thing now. I want > FreeBSD + Gnome to blow the doors off of any and all commercial platforms. Correct , >YOU<. There may be others that don't. There is room for everyone :) (btw, I agree with you ;) ) > Speed. Reliability. Functionality. Ease of installation. Ease of use. Absolutely :) Cheers, B _________________________ {Beto|Norberto|Numard} Meijome Never take Life too seriously, no one gets out alive anyway. I speak for myself, not my employer. Contents may be hot. Slippery when wet. Reading disclaimers makes you go blind. Writing them is worse. 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