Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:24:31 +0000 From: four.harrisons@googlemail.com To: ltning@anduin.net, merlyn@stonehenge.com Cc: msommer@somware.com, freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... Message-ID: <4c8a4eaa.5b8bcc0a.7880.62d3@mx.google.com>
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-----------------------------=0D=0AFrom:=09"Eirik =C3=98verby" <ltning@an= duin.net>=0D=0ASubject:=09Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...=0D= =0ADate:=09=0910th September 2010 16:20=0D=0A=0D=0AOn 10. sep. 2010, at 1= 6:29, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A>>>>>>= "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Sommer <msommer@somware.com> writes:=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A>= Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5.=0D= =0A> Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across=0D= =0A> Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly.= =0D=0A> Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser.=0D= =0A>=20=0D=0A> Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (F= lash too.)=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> There are darn few things either of these do = that a good modern=0D=0A> cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do= instead.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes a= s well. And yes, until=0D=0A> then, we're stuck with Flash.=0D=0A>=20=0D= =0A> We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good=0D=0A= > JavaScript.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> I repeat... Java had its day. Time to mov= e on.=0D=0A=0D=0AYou are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that man= y still NEED Java support in their browsers - and not of their own choice= =2E Banks, insurances, digital signature services etc. Still frequently u= se Java as carrier for their services. Often this cannot be changed easil= y as such organizations have long turn-around times and make investments = in the long term.=20=0D=0A=0D=0AJava is still very much alive, and until = html5 can validate and run signed code it'll stay that way even on the cl= ient. And that is just one of the reasons/scenarios.=20=0D=0A=0D=0AI'm no= t using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm sure it = would be a great choice in an ideal world but we are unfortunately living= in a real one. So either one takes the time to implement what people _ne= ed_ in addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can= as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, whe= re it already excels.=20=0D=0A=0D=0A/Eirik=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AI've been run= ning FreeBSD as my sole desktop since 5.2.1. I bank and shop online. I do= not have either Java or Flash installed. I have yet to find any function= ality missing because of the lack of Java. Some sites make accessing them= difficult without Flash, but I consider that their problem and move on.=0D= =0A=0D=0AFreeBSD isn't just good for servers.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0APeter Harr= ison=0D=0Awww.4harrisons.blogspot.com=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A>=20=0D= =0A> --=20=0D=0A> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, In= c. - +1 503 777 0095=0D=0A> <merlyn@stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stone= henge.com/merlyn/>=0D=0A> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writi= ng, Comedy, etc. etc.=0D=0A> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for S= malltalk and Seaside discussion=0D=0A> __________________________________= _____________=0D=0A> freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list=0D=0A> http://= lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java=0D=0A> To unsubscribe, se= nd any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A____= ___________________________________________=0D=0Afreebsd-questions@freebs= d.org mailing list=0D=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd= -questions=0D=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsub= scribe@freebsd.org"=0D=0A
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