From owner-freebsd-java@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 10 15:52:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-java@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C3A1065672; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:52:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from four.harrisons@googlemail.com) Received: from mail-bw0-f54.google.com (mail-bw0-f54.google.com [209.85.214.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53CC28FC13; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:52:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by bwz20 with SMTP id 20so2768282bwz.13 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:52:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=PYRcB9zHTSFLKkedWdf+hyDHBu8q57oRzKN6qcEIU3c=; b=fnPFyzmUmxseMbqVfAqA3w9I1TTrutxhsm7pxEBMFLIAwtkljoTwKRLlFcovH1QsMO omKTdBv6l45wUqXzYb5ETkRq+Y7QTSdqZgd81SCDPacE9pjjEFuT8FGS6O8O1N4patcN H1fL4bafq+Jb8EtjZqPVfVR9mO125vcpATDnw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:subject:from:to:cc:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=VTxpl02uqSE1MTxMWYCkYAOYIMnnhFiaBKVic0rpRQsoUK0sXNvrAkJGJrFROtlzmJ CAvvniCzdqR4Vopcy82miObWW4zZhGR3L/5QDs52BFmNG8bhwxAU4QZm/6xL+oodWGkZ TAG1qKNQocCSxsRhTHPV6Fm0BusFo1KvolYkk= Received: by 10.204.59.9 with SMTP id j9mr642775bkh.150.1284132523575; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ecs ([213.8.162.222]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d27sm2094036bku.22.2010.09.10.08.28.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 10 Sep 2010 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4c8a4eaa.5b8bcc0a.7880.62d3@mx.google.com> From: four.harrisons@googlemail.com To: ltning@anduin.net, merlyn@stonehenge.com Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:24:31 +0000 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: msommer@somware.com, freebsd-java@freebsd.org, freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, freebsd-java-request@freebsd.org Subject: Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask... X-BeenThere: freebsd-java@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting Java to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 15:52:09 -0000 -----------------------------=0D=0AFrom:=09"Eirik =C3=98verby" =0D=0ASubject:=09Re: this is probably a little touchy to ask...=0D= =0ADate:=09=0910th September 2010 16:20=0D=0A=0D=0AOn 10. sep. 2010, at 1= 6:29, merlyn@stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:=0D=0A=0D=0A>>>>>>= "Mark" =3D=3D Mark Sommer writes:=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A>= Mark> That's a pretty idealistic view of the upcoming release of HTML5.=0D= =0A> Mark> I have yet to see a release of HTML that is compatible across=0D= =0A> Mark> browsers, i.e. adapted universally by all browsers uniformly.= =0D=0A> Mark> Java is still a very viable platform, even on the browser.=0D= =0A>=20=0D=0A> Whenever I see Java firing up on my browser, I cringe. (F= lash too.)=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> There are darn few things either of these do = that a good modern=0D=0A> cross-platform library, like jQueryUI, can't do= instead.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> Except for video playback, which HTML5 fixes a= s well. And yes, until=0D=0A> then, we're stuck with Flash.=0D=0A>=20=0D= =0A> We needed Java before we had good JavaScript. Now we have good=0D=0A= > JavaScript.=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A> I repeat... Java had its day. Time to mov= e on.=0D=0A=0D=0AYou are forgetting - or conveniently ignoring - that man= y still NEED Java support in their browsers - and not of their own choice= =2E Banks, insurances, digital signature services etc. Still frequently u= se Java as carrier for their services. Often this cannot be changed easil= y as such organizations have long turn-around times and make investments = in the long term.=20=0D=0A=0D=0AJava is still very much alive, and until = html5 can validate and run signed code it'll stay that way even on the cl= ient. And that is just one of the reasons/scenarios.=20=0D=0A=0D=0AI'm no= t using FreeBSD on the desktop for just this kind o reasons. I'm sure it = would be a great choice in an ideal world but we are unfortunately living= in a real one. So either one takes the time to implement what people _ne= ed_ in addition to what you would prefer them to need, or the desktop can= as well be ditched and focus moved to improving FreeBSD for servers, whe= re it already excels.=20=0D=0A=0D=0A/Eirik=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AI've been run= ning FreeBSD as my sole desktop since 5.2.1. I bank and shop online. I do= not have either Java or Flash installed. I have yet to find any function= ality missing because of the lack of Java. Some sites make accessing them= difficult without Flash, but I consider that their problem and move on.=0D= =0A=0D=0AFreeBSD isn't just good for servers.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0APeter Harr= ison=0D=0Awww.4harrisons.blogspot.com=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A>=20=0D= =0A> --=20=0D=0A> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, In= c. - +1 503 777 0095=0D=0A> =0D=0A> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writi= ng, Comedy, etc. etc.=0D=0A> See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for S= malltalk and Seaside discussion=0D=0A> __________________________________= _____________=0D=0A> freebsd-java@freebsd.org mailing list=0D=0A> http://= lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-java=0D=0A> To unsubscribe, se= nd any mail to "freebsd-java-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=0D=0A>=20=0D=0A____= ___________________________________________=0D=0Afreebsd-questions@freebs= d.org mailing list=0D=0Ahttp://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd= -questions=0D=0ATo unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsub= scribe@freebsd.org"=0D=0A