From owner-freebsd-chat Fri Mar 15 17:56: 8 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0908137B416 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:56:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from pool0278.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.193.23] helo=mindspring.com) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16m3QL-000480-00; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:55:57 -0800 Message-ID: <3C92A60D.F7AD3CC8@mindspring.com> Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 17:55:25 -0800 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD {Sony} (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chip Morton Cc: FreeBSD Chat Subject: Re: Free BSD References: <4.3.2.7.2.20020315181331.01b26160@threespace.com> <20020314204235.L152-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <15505.28725.937368.158235@guru.mired.org> <20020314204235.L152-100000@pogo.caustic.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20020315181331.01b26160@threespace.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20020315190230.01b2a4f8@threespace.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Chip Morton wrote: [ Jef Raskin ] > Yeah, I kinda figured there might be some sour grapes in there. But rather > than bitch about the 70-some-odd "inhumane" window managers shipping with > FreeBSD and Linux, he should create his own wm and throw it in--let the > crowd decide what's what. Even if he created some nice skins for Windows > XP or Mac OS X, I'd be interested to know how many people were satisfied > with his one-bit monochrome GUI. You clearly didn't read the article... your suggestions fail because in it he complains about all the things you ask for here. I'll paraphrase (these are not actual phrase quotes, they are my interpretation of his meaning): 1) "Skins are EVIL". 2) "Preferences are EVIL". 3) "You have to build the entire system to support the UI, not just throw a UI onto a system" (i.e. a "wm" is not an option). 4) If you want to help him do the right thing, you are supposed to contact him via email. 5) "Monochrome is good; busy is bad; imagine a background picture that looked like abunch of open applications". > And speaking of monochrome, I have to speak up for the eye-candy fanatics > out there. Too often I see high-color graphics pooh-poohed as frivolous in > serious computing tasks, but while it may not be essential to the task at > hand it does add to the enjoyment some people get from using their > systems. (I'm assuming that I'm not the only one who feels that way. And > based on the number of pretty window managers out there, I'm sure I'm > not.) I wasn't using FreeBSD for a good long time because Linux had a > prettier default installation, but KDE2 brought me back. (And I still > don't see what Opera has over Konqueror.) Yes, I would rather ride in the > candy-coated, rimmed-up sports car. Yes, I'd rather talk to the pretty > bank teller. Yes, I am shallow sometimes, but hey, life is short. ;-) 6) "Eye candy is EVIL because it damages consistency; it is important that training on applications on one machine be transportable to another machine running the same application". 7) "If the uer's attention is on the interface, then it detracts from there ability to perform th task for which the tool [the computer] was obtained". -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message