Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:30:46 +0100 From: Richard Bown <richard.bown@blueyonder.co.uk> To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Subject: Re: k3b again Message-ID: <20080509223046.2b4c84ee@gb7tf> In-Reply-To: <4824A85D.5080906@aol.com> References: <20080509164401.50763b53@gb7tf> <4824A85D.5080906@aol.com>
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On Fri, 09 May 2008 14:39:09 -0500 Thomas Donnelly <tad1214@aol.com> wrote:> > ><snip> > > I'm sorry if my comments offend, they are not intended to. > > > > > > > Well Richard, I am sorry to hear all of the problems you have been > having. Just a few side notes. > 1. PC-BSD != Freebsd, I don't use PC-BSD for the same reason I don't > like Linux or Windows, they are overly user friendly and do > everything for you, often with unintended side effects when doing > advanced things. The reason for the move to FreeBSD was to get away from the software thats running all the time in the background and is a real pig to disable, telling you what you can do and not do. the distribution on the other HD is Mandriva 2008.1. I've been using MDV since it was started about 5 ~6 years ago, but its got to the state there's a hidden sorta super root, and its a real pain when trying to network across the kernel without using squid. And if it sees public addresses on the same port as the modem it will disconnect , just happens the cable modem uses a 10.x.x.x address 2. FreeBSD wasn't designed with workstation use as a > primary goal, that has become much more popular in recent years, but, > server use is and probably always will be the primary focus. OK I accept that premise , but the same applies to nearly all the linux disros. But seems with linux after the fork the desktop as it evolved was readily accepted. > 3. Many of these programs (k3b and the like) were designed for linux > and ported over to freebsd, there are bound to be some bumps along > the way. I don't call non-functional a bump, if it was a case it would burn cd and not all DVD s thats a bump, to not be able to burn anything is a major obstacle 4. If you say I will give it to this and such a time, you > may as well just cut over now, you are looking for a reason to dump > the OS. Not so, I've made quite an investment so far, change the graphics card as Xorg didn't want to play with a standard Nvidia FX5500, PCI-express graphics cards are not cheap, nor was the 250 GB e-SATA HD to put FreeBSD on. A week of sheer grief is not just giving up for the sake of it. But I was aware someone would suggest that excuse 5. Part of the beauty of FreeBSD is simplicity yet > complexity. It is not easy to learn, it is not user friendly, sharp > edges are everywhere because the training wheels are off. I've no objections to sharp edges if the end result works, the only way I have of saving date to media is a floppy drive, may be I should grateful that FreeBSD does support such modern thing as 3 1/2" floppies, could have been 8"disks only > > As a design engineer I very aware of sharp edges from either picking up someone elses fag packet scribbling to taking it from my design to full production. And part of any design and application process, is to make the end results repeatable and allow for tolerances. You have only got to look at the installation of openoffice, how come all the linux distros can manage to install it in the most an hour. lets compare that process in FreeBSD, there's all the flaffing about manually downloading the Sun packages, openoffice is GTK not java. so once you done that, if of course Sun's site works properly, you then get all the problems of changed dependencies, so if your lucky a days compiling. That defies all logic, Why not be sensible use precompiled libs, and just compile the applications. One of the reason for linux becoming slicker is the need to produce a distro that is commercially viable, to give an effective alternative to gatesware. I can't see FreeBSD ever getting to the stage of commercial viability. And that's why I've put a cut off time of midnight tonight as the time when I can no longer afford to spend 18 hours a day trying to reinvent the wheel, where as I can cut a few spokes out of an existing wheel to get what I need. -- Best Wishes Richard Bown ---- ################################################## OS: FreeBSD 7.0, AMD64 x2 Dual Core 4400+, 8GB RAM HAM CALL: G8JVM, QRA IO82SP, located 75 kms NE Birmingham UK QRV HF + all bands 50 MHz to 10 GHZ www.software-radio.org.uk ##################################################
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