From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Jan 7 12:07:17 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADDB1490723 for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [46.251.251.56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "0x20.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2FAB88912F for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 12:07:17 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from e.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [46.251.251.56]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.0x20.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 00618B321A; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:06:29 +0100 (CET) Received: (from lars@localhost) by e.0x20.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id x07C6Txu051448; Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:06:29 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from lars) Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2019 13:06:29 +0100 From: Lars Engels To: Wojciech Puchar Cc: Igor Mozolevsky , Hackers freeBSD , Pratyush Yadav Subject: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components Message-ID: <20190107120629.GU40894@e.0x20.net> References: <6DF138FB-E730-477A-A992-8FE1944DDE94@exonetric.com> <451787DE-0659-4F7D-B011-904F90866DDB@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 8.0 User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1 (2018-12-01) X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 2FAB88912F X-Spamd-Bar: + Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [1.69 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.56)[-0.560,0]; MX_INVALID(0.50)[cached]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.33)[0.332,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[0x20.net]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_LONG(0.40)[0.404,0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[lars.engels@0x20.net,lars@e.0x20.net]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:31400, ipnet:46.251.251.0/24, country:DE]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[lars.engels@0x20.net,lars@e.0x20.net]; IP_SCORE(-0.19)[ip: (-1.51), ipnet: 46.251.251.0/24(-0.76), asn: 31400(1.35), country: DE(-0.01)]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:25:30 +0000 X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2019 12:07:17 -0000 On Sun, Jan 06, 2019 at 07:26:44PM +0100, Wojciech Puchar wrote: > >> from ineptitude IMHO, but from honest mistakes. Languages that make > >> your job easier by taking care of these common pitfalls are not so > >> bad. > > > > That's because you simply engage your hands before engaging your > > brain, and that's exactly what I meant by _d_i_s_c_i_p_l_i_n_e_! Write > > This is a "modern" programming where morons dominated. Common. Wojciech, we got it. FreeBSD is perfect for you. You do not care about what other people need, think and want. It's okay for you when FreeBSD's user base shrinks until you are its last user. Can we other people now discuss how we can FreeBSD make relevant again? Thank you.