Date: Sun, 03 Aug 1997 14:33:49 -0700 From: Amancio Hasty <hasty@rah.star-gate.com> To: Steve Passe <smp@csn.net> Cc: Tom <tom@uniserve.com>, Andreas Klemm <andreas@klemm.gtn.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Current is currently really a mess (was: Re: Tk/Tcl broken(?)) Message-ID: <199708032133.OAA00740@rah.star-gate.com> In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 03 Aug 1997 14:39:04 MDT." <199708032039.OAA04677@Ilsa.StevesCafe.com>
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>From The Desk Of Steve Passe : > On the tcl beta issue, I think we're forgetting that tcl has always been > a royal pain as far an the "version thing" is concerned. Every time I turn > around I get bit by the wrong tcl header being in place. Tcl is a problem > in and of itself that needs work. Yes, tcl has alway been a pain and I suspect that it will remain so in the near forseable future. I think that if we have an approach similar to the base system that is if you introduce a new version of package then it is the responsibility of to the porter to make sure that the rest of the ports are updated or that they work if not then back out the port. This problem exists for both -current and -stable. The problem that I see is that people are becoming *too* comfortable with the existing system: To me this is trivial: --- Every tcl/tk related port is broken in -current, because the tcl 8.0 import seems to break everything. Canīt build _any_ tcl/tk related port in the moment. No tk41, no scotty, couldnīt finish work on an apache port with python support (because python depends on tk41, which doesnīt compile anymore), mrtg, tkman and so on .... --- If the base distribution does not suit your particular needs then change it or port the applications which are of interest. In the tcl8.0 case, it has been out for a while so there are bounds to be updates to your favorite package and if not then fix the port, get an old version of tcl, etc... I bet that if the people that are complaining would have spend half of that time just fixing up their enviroment many of the existing problems would have been solved. We need the ports collection as a reality check against -current. Amancio
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