From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 10 16:01:32 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACB7037B401 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:01:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail12.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E172043F93 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 16:01:31 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from johnmills@speakeasy.net) Received: (qmail 21755 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2003 23:01:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost.localdomain) ([216.27.162.100]) (envelope-sender ) by mail12.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jul 2003 23:01:31 -0000 Received: from localhost (jmills@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h6AN6UD01614 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:06:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jmills owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 19:06:29 -0400 (EDT) From: John Mills X-X-Sender: jmills@localhost.localdomain To: FreeBSD-questions In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20030710082837.012104a8@mail.servplex.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: Post about BSD's alleged demise on /. X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list Reply-To: John Mills List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:01:33 -0000 Freebies - On Thu, 10 Jul 2003, Peter Elsner wrote: > The person who posted this on /. is nothing more than a troll... > > The same bunch of trolls that repeat that *BSD is dying (or dead) about > once every > couple of months... > > It's not true, it's just there to see how much panic can be caused. > > FreeBSD is NOT dying, and will be around for many years to come. > > Peter In fact there was an editorial suggestion in a recent _eWeek_ (should be [http://www.eweek.com], but I can't confirm that just now.) to the point that managers concerned about SCO's litigation should actively test and evaluate the *BSD family, specifically mentioning FreeBSD's excellent reputation for server quality. - JMM > At 11:55 AM 7/10/2003 +0200, you wrote: > >Hi > > > >I saw this post on /. today, under the announcement about a FreeBSD 5.1 > >review. > > > >Is there much truth is this? > >How many FreeBSD servers are out there? And is there number declining? > > > >I really hope that BSD will be arround for a long time to come... > > > >Kind regards > > > >Guy > > > > > >http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=70502&cid=6404771 > > > >It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying > > > >Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when > >recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 > >percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft > >survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this > >news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing > >in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last > >[samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test. > > > >You don't need to be a Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict *BSD's > >future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In > >fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. > >Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, > >*BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of > >blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of > >its core developers. > > > >Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers. > > > >OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How > >many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus > >NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there > >are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about > >half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users > >of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD > >market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. > >This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts. > > > >Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD > >went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another > >troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet > >another charnel house. > > > >All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. > >*BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If > >*BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD > >continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this > >point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead. > > > >Fact: *BSD is dead > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > >http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > >To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > > > Anything below this line, is considered a signature line. > If you do not know what a signature is within an email > STOP here and do not read any further. Thank you. > _________________________________________________________________________ > > Peter Elsner > Vice President Of Customer Service (And System Administrator) > 1835 S. Carrier Parkway > Grand Prairie, Texas 75051 > (972) 263-2080 - Voice > (972) 263-2082 - Fax > (972) 489-4838 - Cell Phone > (425) 988-8061 - eFax > > I worry about my child and the Internet all the time, even though she's > too young to have logged on yet. Here's what I worry about. I worry > that 10 or 15 years from now, she will come to me and say "Daddy, where > were you when they took freedom of the press away from the Internet?" > -- Mike Godwin > > Unix IS user friendly... It's just selective about who its friends are. > > System Administration - It's a dirty job, but somebody said I had to do it. > > If you receive something that says 'Send this to everyone you know, > pretend you don't know me. > > Standard $500/message proofreading fee applies for UCE. > (NOTE: UCE is Unsolicited Commercial Email also known as > SPAM or junk mail). > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > -- John Mills john.m.mills@alum.mit.edu