From owner-freebsd-chat Wed Sep 30 11:01:15 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA14672 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:01:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from super-g.inch.com (super-g.com [207.240.140.161]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA14666 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 11:01:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from spork@super-g.com) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by super-g.inch.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA01528; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 14:00:19 -0400 (EDT) From: spork X-Sender: spork@super-g.inch.com To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" cc: chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: What would it take to build the FreeBSD kernel into Portable Executable (PE) format? In-Reply-To: <22735.907167105@time.cdrom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > You come on now, that's a rather different class of application than > writing an OS simulation layer for the Win32 environment. The > SoftWindows / SoftPC dealies emulate an entire virtual machine so of > course they "succeed" somewhat more than those groups who attempt to > make it all run side-by-side on a single virtual machine. :-) I'll let it die here, but I just want to clarify that I don't care how it's done or if it costs a bit (SoftWindows). My only goal is to run with my hardware and OS of choice as the "base", but not be shut out from occasionally using Photoshop, MediaStudio, or even (blech!!) Outlook. It's nice to walk into an office where they've "standardized" on an app like outlook and see that half of the people there are using Macs and Suns to run it. That's a few more desks unchained from the mediocrity of windows9x. So while some of the free projects are a different idea, and they are slow to develop, at least there are commercial alternatives that work well... And you really can't imagine how bad-ass a G3 powerbook looks running three OS'es at once. (That's NetBSD primarily for Apache, MacOS because he really likes the desktop, and Windows for office mail/planning via outlook) Charles > > I've heard that the SoftPC solutions are getting faster now with JIT > machine-code translators and other such techniques for making > emulation of the target machine a lot less expensive, but that doesn't > seem to be the direction any of the free emulator projects (like > Bochs) have taken yet. If you want an exercise in severe pain, go set > up a Win95 environment under Bochs (www.freebsd.org/~jkh/do-this-m$!.jpg) > and run your Outlook application under that for starters. :-) > > - Jordan > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message