Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 17:51:21 -0500 From: Jim Ohlstein <jim@ohlste.in> To: Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net>, John Marino <freebsdml@marino.st> Cc: FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Removing documentation Message-ID: <56C25669.1010006@ohlste.in> In-Reply-To: <56C237AC.7030305@sorbs.net> References: <56C1E579.30303@marino.st> <20160215165952.6199743BFA@shepard.synsport.net> <56C2075A.5000409@marino.st> <20160215173229.2574943BC2@shepard.synsport.net> <56C20D93.5030009@marino.st> <56C237AC.7030305@sorbs.net>
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Hello, On 2/15/16 3:40 PM, Michelle Sullivan wrote: > John Marino wrote: >> On 2/15/2016 6:32 PM, Roger Marquis wrote: >> >>>> This makes no sense. Ports are not tied to base releases. >>>> And you think lack of developer resources is an invalid reason? >>>> >>> There was no mid-release issue with base as far as I know. The issue was >>> with ports and by extension pkgng (and related -ngs). >>> >> >> ports are developed independently. They do not follow release >> schedules. Ports have to support all supported releases, that's the >> only connection. >> > Yeah, I'd agree with this... except... > > pkg_* tools don't exist on 10.x only pkgng... that makes it base os > thing.. even if it's downloaded in/via ports.. > > So sorry don't claim it's only part of the ports system, because whilst > it maybe built and administered there, the tools it replaced were > removed from the base OS at the very beginning of 10.x... This is like milking a dead cow here. Even if you get something out of it you're not going to drink it. If you want to be using a 2014 OS in 2022, then a RHEL derived system is the product for you. Enjoy it. I don't believe that there is an upgrade path in RHEL, so you'll either have to retire hardware or nuke your systems to upgrade. No one forced you to use 10.x before you were ready. 9 is still supported to this day. And as has been pointed out, pkg_ tools were in ports should you have wanted to continue to use them, and you could have kept them and frozen your ports tree, as has been pointed out. Could the pkg(8) roll out have been handled better? Yes! Hey, I'm not happy about Bush v Gore in 2000 but I'm not still crying about it. You're frustrated, angry, bitter, whatever. I'm terribly sorry but it's ime to move on. Red Hat, which is now your preferred product, is a for-profit company with over 8000 paid employees, many of whom are testing and testing and testing. They never update anything except at the point of a gun, and then only after extensive testing. On the plus side, it's stable. It never really changes. FreeBSD, on the other hand, is a comparatively small organization and an operating system that moves forward, though sometimes it's two steps forward and one back.. Some things need to be tested in the field to find out where and what needs to be changed/fixed/improved. That's the way it is. Was this an epic fail? That's a matter of opinion, though we all already know yours. The fact is that you had choices. You made those choices with your eyes open (if you didn't then shame on you!) and things didn't go as smoothly as you'd have liked. As I said, it's time to move on. Your arguments are specious. -- Jim Ohlstein "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." - Mark Twain
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