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Date:      Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:39:35 -0600
From:      Greg Lehey <grog@lemis.com>
To:        Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@critter.freebsd.dk>
Cc:        Nate Williams <nate@mt.sri.com>, Mike Smith <msmith@FreeBSD.ORG>, Christopher Masto <chris@netmonger.net>, Julian Elischer <julian@whistle.com>, current@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!
Message-ID:  <19991211123935.H760@mojave.worldwide.lemis.com>
In-Reply-To: <6152.944849073@critter.freebsd.dk>; from phk@critter.freebsd.dk on Fri, Dec 10, 1999 at 07:04:33PM %2B0100
References:  <199912101757.KAA19772@mt.sri.com> <6152.944849073@critter.freebsd.dk>

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On Friday, 10 December 1999 at 19:04:33 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> In message <199912101757.KAA19772@mt.sri.com>, Nate Williams writes:
>>> What we need here is a commitment to these new initiatives, not a lot of
>>> fence-sitting and clutching our knitting to our chests.
>>
>> If all our users were developers I would agree.  But *most* of our users
>> are not developers.
>
> -CURRENT should have very few users who are not developers in some
> capacity.

Agreed.  As I said earlier in the thread, the problem is that we're 5
weeks from releasing this code as 4.0-RELEASE.

I think we might be able to compromise here: issue 4.0 with a
disclaimer saying "AFAWK Cyrix DMA support is broken.  If you have a
Cyrix [IDE] chip, use 3.[45]-RELEASE instead.".

>> Good question.  What are we trying to achieve here?  I thought it was to
>> provide the best OS that is usable to the largest number of users?
>
> And this requires us to move away the old cruft so we force the
> people on the bleeding edge to test the new stuff.
>
> All in all, it sounds to me like a lot of people are presenting
> a stance which can be summarized as:
>
> 	"why should *I* have to be guinea-pig for the ata driver
> 	in -current make somebody else test it first."

I haven't noticed anybody doing that.  It's certainly not my concern;
as soon as I get home I'm going to try out the 5591 code and make sure
it works correctly.

> To which the answer is:  If you decide to run -current you have
> tacitly agreed to be a guinea-pig for FreeBSD developers, so
> shut up and test.

To which the answer is what I said above: today's -CURRENT is next
month's -RELEASE.

Greg
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