Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 08:25:50 -0400 From: "Person, Roderick" <personrp@ccbh.com> To: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: RE: GNU/FreeBSD (was: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this re asoning?) Message-ID: <46AEB8C1B628D511969200508B6FE42A66847F@1upmc-msx6.isdip.upmc.edu>
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This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10872.49F65960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Steve Price - On Debian Users... > Deep down inside they really like BSD and want to use it instead but > still want to be "cool" and say that they are using Linux. :) I'd have to agree with this. For 2 years I used Debian, up until then I had never touch a *nix, other than hacking VMS if you wanna could that. But once into Debian I keep see all this code that had BSD this or that in the license or comments. So I began to wonder what is this BSD. Why is everyone taking thier code. It must be so good stuff if everyone else is using it. I stumbled onto the the BSD/Debian thing and as I remember they were talking Debian /w FreeBSD (could be wrong my memory sucks) but and way it led me to FreeBSD.org. Then I switch to FBSD and have been using it for close to 3 years I believe now. I check on Debian now and again but don't see much going on there in fact I bought Debian 2.1 a month or so before swithing to FBSD and I see that the still on 2.2, guess that's the price of a world wide developement staff. Roderick P. Person Programmer II (412)454-2616 personrp@ccbh.com "Get the thing straight once and for all. The policeman isn't there to create disorder. The policeman is there to perserve disorder." - Richard Daley, mayor of Chicago > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Price [mailto:steve@havk.org] > Sent: July 07, 2001 12:56 PM > To: James Howard > Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG > Subject: Re: GNU/FreeBSD (was: BSD, .Net comments - any > reponse to this > reasoning?) > > > On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 12:24:32PM -0400, James Howard wrote: > > > > > He's done that. But he was talking about a BSD which would have > > > almost only GNU userland. People keep talking about a Debian > > > GNU/FreeBSD, for example. > > > > They did produce one. However, I could not find any links > to it a few > > weeks ago when I tried to find it. > > Not true. After a year or more of talking about it the project > has produced little more than a port of dpkg. Some people have > claimed to have gone much further than this but nobody has > produced any code much less a distribution. Every so often the > interest picks back up and they argue over which of the BSDs to > use as a base, whether they should use a GNU or BSD userland, ... > In fact, just moments ago someone posted wondering what the > benefits of DebianBSD would be and wondered if a NetBSD package > that mimiced the Debian way wouldn't be the proper path. To which > someone replied that that wouldn't be a true Debian. It really is > quite comical at times. Nearly everyone interested in the project > wants a BSD kernel because they feel it is better than Linux or > because (Net)BSD has been ported to more platforms. They always > come back to the same thing. They want dpkg and friends on BSD > but they want it to still be Debian and in some way Linux. Deep > down inside they really like BSD and want to use it instead but > still want to be "cool" and say that they are using Linux. :) > > I'm not belittling them by any means and this is all IMHO of > course so if there are any trolls out there - flames to /dev/null. > > -steve > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message > ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10872.49F65960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV=3D"Content-Type" CONTENT=3D"text/html; = charset=3Diso-8859-1"> <META NAME=3D"Generator" CONTENT=3D"MS Exchange Server version = 5.5.2653.12"> <TITLE>RE: GNU/FreeBSD (was: BSD, .Net comments - any reponse to this = reasoning?)</TITLE> </HEAD> <BODY> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steve Price - On Debian Users...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Deep down inside they really like BSD and want = to use it instead but</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> still want to be "cool" and say that = they are using Linux. :)</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'd have to agree with this. For 2 years I used = Debian, up until then I had never touch a *nix, other than hacking VMS = if you wanna could that.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>But once into Debian I keep see all this code that = had BSD this or that in the license or comments. So I began to wonder = what is this BSD. Why is everyone taking thier code. It must be so good = stuff if everyone else is using it. I stumbled onto the the BSD/Debian = thing and as I remember they were talking Debian /w FreeBSD (could be = wrong my memory sucks) but and way it led me to FreeBSD.org. Then I = switch to FBSD and have been using it for close to 3 years I believe = now. I check on Debian now and again but don't see much going on there = in fact I bought Debian 2.1 a month or so before swithing to FBSD and I = see that the still on 2.2, guess that's the price of a world wide = developement staff.</FONT></P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Roderick P. Person</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Programmer II</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>(412)454-2616</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>personrp@ccbh.com</FONT> </P> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>"Get the thing straight once and for all. The = policeman isn't </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>there to create disorder. The policeman is there to = perserve </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>disorder." </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2> - Richard Daley, mayor of Chicago </FONT> </P> <BR> <BR> <BR> <P><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> From: Steve Price [<A = HREF=3D"mailto:steve@havk.org">mailto:steve@havk.org</A>]</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Sent: July 07, 2001 12:56 PM</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To: James Howard</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Cc: freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Subject: Re: GNU/FreeBSD (was: BSD, .Net = comments - any </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> reponse to this</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> reasoning?)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> On Sat, Jul 07, 2001 at 12:24:32PM -0400, James = Howard wrote:</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > He's done that. But he was = talking about a BSD which would have</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > almost only GNU userland. = People keep talking about a Debian</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > > GNU/FreeBSD, for example.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > They did produce one. However, I = could not find any links </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> to it a few</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> > weeks ago when I tried to find it.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> Not true. After a year or more of talking = about it the project</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> has produced little more than a port of = dpkg. Some people have</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> claimed to have gone much further than this but = nobody has</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> produced any code much less a = distribution. Every so often the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> interest picks back up and they argue over = which of the BSDs to</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> use as a base, whether they should use a GNU or = BSD userland, ...</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> In fact, just moments ago someone posted = wondering what the</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> benefits of DebianBSD would be and wondered if = a NetBSD package</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> that mimiced the Debian way wouldn't be the = proper path. To which</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> someone replied that that wouldn't be a true = Debian. It really is</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> quite comical at times. Nearly everyone = interested in the project</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> wants a BSD kernel because they feel it is = better than Linux or</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> because (Net)BSD has been ported to more = platforms. They always</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> come back to the same thing. They want = dpkg and friends on BSD</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> but they want it to still be Debian and in some = way Linux. Deep</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> down inside they really like BSD and want to = use it instead but</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> still want to be "cool" and say that = they are using Linux. :)</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> I'm not belittling them by any means and this = is all IMHO of</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> course so if there are any trolls out there - = flames to /dev/null.</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> -steve</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> To Unsubscribe: send mail to = majordomo@FreeBSD.org</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" = in the body of the message</FONT> <BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>> </FONT> </P> </BODY> </HTML> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C10872.49F65960-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message
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