From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Feb 24 11:54:22 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EAF1C56B for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nm19-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (nm19-vm6.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [216.39.63.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B9421BD5 for ; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:54:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm19.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2014 11:47:05 -0000 Received: from [67.195.23.146] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2014 11:47:05 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2014 11:47:05 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1393242425; bh=I5n0MYeAHsbLtJHUjldNrY5KVZMZ1nATFJB2P6MQAOw=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:Message-ID:Date:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:From:To:CC:References:Subject; b=2pCHgSYsc6n+OzNzhR6q0eRyeoUrAU/NZ/hd/al+BuFKTo7L4tgIYHwOIw5ttwcR676+x5pUQHygtZSj4MXdgR1IrOYUv0GNBuObqkcSZr6ATNN6skzH0cI2hW5Oeoli51KiVYLKUE7avEPyhHE3w36i1xhDeinNgryxSgt9vAM= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 942222.61849.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com Message-ID: <942222.61849.bm@smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:47:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ORdRVYIVM1nL..bX7YXC.isje2Zw_dRKYG2PUjDw9IqUwiV 3Rau1s3cOyoGErpAomfglM2Q3w_orjS0QeEvAqunP46Dxx3psASYyIePVVwJ X7f8tyxhiKyq6L2QbP5eHkQRs8KIs6.pYTngC7ACfG0yhOy_Cz6vv2FDlMw1 _MJiyHE..DA29cdyedrTzTBNNJKwcCW8063jvxgDlDqjz7gXQunOBVoAKXEj AIQHDDutJsHfd.iuDnkJ5qxAXPlXF8KWH9bOEUxtOB2f8IXu6I8H6_t5ICFZ nyzpZkOyRzyWIuOXGFZhtgeKEPWoGsrlA8fiErYRV7FcExLah3muLFbDXr5j TVBtWBLqNTLOi0QY8_mxqa2FVLCcz65z_we1rSL__cjjM00R1DgOh1P4FIx. 15dgnoyllfmw7zXqTI4oxk10qbEp9lZnjMPHoYHKNn7q4kJWnKAvvlEnDi_Y jo_jA.3MF8mFgOPgPadvQWnk2vZbFnXantHaDyWrOEleBnvo_14cKNd3mDue LiIMZtuhd.mctdKpv942vT9Uc9kniCB_66mFInn0wQhHlQZLkxCZ8kSqURL4 H6nretgaf0q4iDUBd399u87Q_ X-Yahoo-SMTP: Kz_aW1.swBBYof3zAD7.RWzXz9ZAQVDMml1VADsbgPT4Kq79LC0- X-Rocket-Received: from localhost (mueller6724@96.28.178.143 with plain [67.195.15.66]) by smtp118.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Feb 2014 11:47:05 +0000 UTC From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <20140223211155.GS1699@ithaqua.etoilebsd.net> Subject: Re: Import of DragonFly Mail Agent Cc: Julio Merino X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 11:54:23 -0000 I never got far enough with DragonFlyBSD or OpenBSD on live USB to see osmpd or opensmtpd (OpenBSD or dma (DragonFly). I couldn't read hard drive from either OpenBSD or DragonFly, could read OpenBSD but not DragonFly live USB stick from FreeBSD and NetBSD, meaning poor interoperability on my system. But I find sendmail practically impossible to setup, and rather useless for my purposes. I use msmtp and mpop from ports for SMTP and POP3 mail, including SSL capability. These clients even allow multiple email accounts and multiple users, user name need not necessarily be the same as computer hostname. I've wondered if I'd lose anything by building FreeBSD WITHOUT_SENDMAIL. I looked and found mail/dma in FreeBSD ports tree. Could it be easily set up to use as SMTP client? I don't believe BSD users use base system of itself to send and receive email. They use ports (FreeBSD) or equivalent in other BSDs. Can't really say for Linux; "base system" is ill-defined given the anarchy of many different distributions. To Julio Merino: How long did NetBSD include both sendmail and postfix in base? What NetBSD releases? What was the first release that included both sendmail and postfix, and the first release where sendmail was dropped? But I think sendmail is still available in pkgsrc for users who'd rather have sendmail. Tom