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Date:      Wed, 27 Feb 2002 09:19:44 -0600
From:      "Mike Meyer" <mwm-dated-1015255185.53198e@mired.org>
To:        Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net>, j mckitrick <jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org>
Cc:        freebsd-chat@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: First test of GPL in court
Message-ID:  <15484.63760.663944.125557@guru.mired.org>
In-Reply-To: <20020227061336.N12253@rain.macguire.net>
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Benjamin Krueger <benjamin@macguire.net> types:
> * j mckitrick (jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org) [020227 05:50]:
> > | > Basically his idea of 'free software' where proprietary software is all
> > | > but eliminated, and everyone works for fun, not profit, and he gets to
> > | > stand as god over his 'revolution.'
> > | While some folks might decide that is his personal goal, it isn't the stated
> > | goal of the GPL or GNU Foundation. Neither may be perfect, but lets not mix
> > | facts with pleasure. ;)
> > I doubt he would state it explicitly, but his actions seem to indicate
> > such motives.  I mean, Bill Gates claims *his* motivation is giving
> > customers what they want.  :-)
> And I believe him, mostly because he has a talent for convincing people
> that he has what they want (*snip* long winded philosophical debate as to
> whether a successful persuasive argument can result in true want or need). 

"Sincerity is critical. Once you can fake that, everything else is
easy."

> I also believe that motivation isn't the only one, and that it ranks 
> somewhere a bit below making money and geeking out.

j mckitrick <jcm@FreeBSD-uk.eu.org> types:
> | In my humble and small opinion, there is no revolution, only a return to
> | information sanity. Don't worry about being confused. =)
> 
> Reminds me of all the shareware I used to get on the Fred Fish disks for
> the amiga.  ;-)

Yup. I had the complete set up through number 500-something. This is
what makes me think that so much stuff is GPL'ed not because people
are deceived by RMS, or agree with his goals, but because sharing
software is something that resonates in the hacker community.

I remember more than one bit of "shareware" where "sharing" was
donating to their favorite charity, or you could register by emailing
the author the fish disk # and name of a program you had donated.

	<mike
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