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Date:      Mon, 28 Aug 1995 15:10:19 -0400 (EDT)
From:      "Rashid Karimov." <rashid@haven.ios.com>
To:        rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com (Rodney W. Grimes)
Cc:        gibbs@freefall.FreeBSD.org, hackers@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: S.O.S -2.1Stable and ASUSP54TP4
Message-ID:  <199508281910.PAA11521@haven.ios.com>
In-Reply-To: <199508281717.KAA01839@gndrsh.aac.dev.com> from "Rodney W. Grimes" at Aug 28, 95 10:17:44 am

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> > >	After having a lot of problems with different
> > >	motherboards under FreeBSD I've switched to the
> > >	"editor's choice" - ASUS P54TP4 mb.,which was
> > >	recommended here by Jordan :)
> > >	Few problems went away ( like random reboots and
> > >	stuff), but oneremains consistent:
> > >
> > >	the freaking system loks each and every day and
> > >	I think this is because of .... something related
> > >	to HD activity/driver/adapter/whatever.
> > >
> > >	The system is P90,Adaptec 2940 PCI _SCSI adapter,
> > >	SMC EtherPower.
> > >
> > >
> > >	The symptoms:
> > >
> > >	system locks at random times w/o any messages at the console/
> > >	log files. Locks means the system becomes unreachable neither
> > >	from the local net nor from the console
> > >	After I hit "reboot" switch, system reboots up to the fsck
> > >	level and it starts complaining that it can't read partition
> > >	information off the second HDD ( Seagate Barracuda 4 Gb) (!).
> > >
> > >	If one hits "reboot" again and goes to the Adaptec BIOS and runs
> > >	disk utilities --> media check from there - the BIOS (!) complains
> > >	that it can not  talk to the second HD.
> > 
> > It sounds like your Barracuda is overheating.
> 
> I agree with that assement of the facts given here.  But would like a
> few ``details'' filled in.
> 
> a) When the lock up occurs are any drive select lights on solid?
> 
> b) Do you have an LED hooked to the controller and what state is it when
>    the lock occurs?

	The LED on the adapter ( ADAPTEC ) is OFF. No activity at all - 
	at least for the time I'd been watching it.
> 
> c) Have you any process that core on occasion, or system panics of any
>    form?  [Looking for memory related problems which usually manifest
>    themselves as random signall 11's if they occur in user land, and
>    kernel panics if they occur in the kernel]

	Not with this particualr system. I do see like 5-10 messages
	every 8-10 hours about processes dying with SIG 3 ( weird ).
	They are randon though and this doesn't happen right before the
	system locks up

> 
> d) And my most famous question I always ask, have your _triple_ checked
>    that your scsi bus is properly terminated and built using high quality
>    double shielded scsi-ii rated cables?  [Applies to external cables,
>    internal cables should be 110 Ohm 26AWG flat ribon cable.]  Also make
>    sure you are using ACTIVE termination, at fast scsi-II speeds anything
>    less is dangerous.

	Well , the last HD is terminated, the first one is not.
	The terminated one gets the power from the HD. Should 
	I change it to "from the SCSI cable" ?

	The HDs are internal ones , so I use flat ribbon cable.
	Don't have a brand on them though ... think they came
	with adapters.

> 
> e) Back to the Barracuda and heat problems, what is the case temperature
>    of the drives while operating (give them 4 hours to stabalize under
>    your worse load before taking a measurement).  Also make sure not
>    to perturb the normal conditions for those 4 hours.

	Its quite possible that this is a temperature problem,
	since I've changed the motherboards on Friday and left the
	PC in not-well-conditioned room.

	Other thing happened since the time of my last message:

	The system locked up in the weird way - the console
	driver was working , I could switch the virt. consoles,
	when I telnetted from the net - I saw the message "connected',
	but otherwise the system was dead. Don't know if it is
	related to the same heat problem ,...




	Rashid

> 
> -- 
> Rod Grimes                                      rgrimes@gndrsh.aac.dev.com
> Accurate Automation Company                 Reliable computers for FreeBSD
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