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Date:      Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:23:21 -0600
From:      Valeri Galtsev <>
Subject:   Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list
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On 11/27/18 9:47 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote:
> John R. Levine wrote:
>>> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these
>>> years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking
>>> signatures?
>> Hey, the freebsd lists don't even limit posts to subscribers, which is
>> about the most basic list anti-spam technique there is.
> Last time I checked, they did (such a message was held for moderation).
> Or maybe not all freebsd lists. I'm not sure now that you have mentioned 
> it. I just remember that a couple of times I happened to post to some 
> freebsd list from a wrong E-mail address, and my message was held for 
> moderation.

My recollection is: this issue (that mail lists, or at least list are/is NOT subscribers only list) is 
being beaten to death every so often. I once asked to make them 
subscribers only. The answer was: solid NO. And since that time (which 
was about a year or two ago), couple of more people asked, and got the 
same answer.

So, if you still have that moderation email, I'd like to see it, as the 
reason might be different than posting to "subscribers only" list. No 
offense, I bet you remember correctly, and I might be wrong, and we 
indeed may have a good news (IMHO) that lists changed to "subscribers 


>>>> Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously.
>>> But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too?
>> Hahahahaha.  The anti-DMARC hacks invented for various mailing lists 
>> range
>> from bad to truly horrible.  There's plenty of info about them if you
>> look.
> I'm intrigued. As a person involved with all this stuff, can you recall 
> a couple of truly horrible examples, or just suggest search keywords for 
> me to find them on my own?

Valeri Galtsev
Sr System Administrator
Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics
Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics
University of Chicago
Phone: 773-702-4247

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