From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Tue Nov 27 17:23:23 2018 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7466E115556C for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:23:23 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from kicp.uchicago.edu (kicp.uchicago.edu [128.135.20.70]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D095F896DD for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:23:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu) Received: from point.uchicago.edu (point.uchicago.edu [128.135.52.6]) by kicp.uchicago.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D837971803E for ; Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:23:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Invalid DKIM signatures in this list To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <20181126185830.18005da3@gumby.homeunix.com> <20181126232835.4593A2008E8EE1@ary.qy> <20181127023143.GD79319@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127033118.GA86646@admin.sibptus.ru> <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> From: Valeri Galtsev Message-ID: Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 11:23:21 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181127154741.GA78157@admin.sibptus.ru> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: D095F896DD X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.38 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.74)[-0.740,0]; DMARC_POLICY_SOFTFAIL(0.10)[uchicago.edu : No valid SPF, No valid DKIM,none]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.79)[-0.785,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; TO_DN_NONE(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.07)[0.073,0]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: kicp.uchicago.edu]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[70.20.135.128.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_NO_TLS_LAST(0.10)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; IP_SCORE(-0.02)[country: US(-0.09)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:160, ipnet:128.135.0.0/16, country:US]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] X-Rspamd-Server: mx1.freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2018 17:23:23 -0000 On 11/27/18 9:47 AM, Victor Sudakov wrote: > John R. Levine wrote: >>> Do you mean nobody cares? RFC6377 is dated September 2011, for all these >>> years nobody has tried to do something about FreeBSD's MLM breaking >>> signatures? >> >> Hey, the freebsd lists don't even limit posts to subscribers, which is >> about the most basic list anti-spam technique there is. > > Last time I checked, they did (such a message was held for moderation). > Or maybe not all freebsd lists. I'm not sure now that you have mentioned > it. I just remember that a couple of times I happened to post to some > freebsd list from a wrong E-mail address, and my message was held for > moderation. My recollection is: this issue (that freebsd.org mail lists, or at least freebsd-questions@freebsd.org list are/is NOT subscribers only list) is being beaten to death every so often. I once asked to make them subscribers only. The answer was: solid NO. And since that time (which was about a year or two ago), couple of more people asked, and got the same answer. So, if you still have that moderation email, I'd like to see it, as the reason might be different than posting to "subscribers only" list. No offense, I bet you remember correctly, and I might be wrong, and we indeed may have a good news (IMHO) that lists changed to "subscribers only"... Valeri > >>>> Indeed, but I wouldn't take everything it says too seriously. >>> >>> But a fix to the MLM should be pretty trivial too? >> >> Hahahahaha.  The anti-DMARC hacks invented for various mailing lists >> range >> from bad to truly horrible.  There's plenty of info about them if you >> look. > > I'm intrigued. As a person involved with all this stuff, can you recall > a couple of truly horrible examples, or just suggest search keywords for > me to find them on my own? > -- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Valeri Galtsev Sr System Administrator Department of Astronomy and Astrophysics Kavli Institute for Cosmological Physics University of Chicago Phone: 773-702-4247 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++