Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2017 09:17:10 +0000 From: =?UTF-8?Q?Bart=C5=82omiej_Rutkowski?= <robak@freebsd.org> To: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> Cc: "Bart??omiej Rutkowski" <robak@freebsd.org>, svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Eric Badger <badger@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: svn commit: r314036 - head/usr.sbin/bsdinstall/scripts Message-ID: <CAGFrfxZ%2BYweXpLyURyPZZY8bkUy6bi0LeN6k9Gn7hgtEUAEoFA@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20170222083209.GA43001@FreeBSD.org> References: <201702210937.v1L9bY6V093836@repo.freebsd.org> <28a4cf5e-2edd-3e30-9ecd-817f886e9ea3@FreeBSD.org> <20170221144002.GA87822@FreeBSD.org> <CAGFrfxaoQccZAt%2BRowF2eH5TS0poJUojhHMe=JFfutwoabhBDQ@mail.gmail.com> <20170222083209.GA43001@FreeBSD.org>
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On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 8:32 AM, Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 at 07:56:52AM +0000, Bart??omiej Rutkowski wrote: > > These options have been around forever, used by a lot of users (once they > > got to know those even exist) and seem to cause no issues. However, > despite > > that, and numerous discussions and mail threads over the years, we've > > struggled to enable them > > I presume they were not enabled by default for some reasons? A quick > summary of those reasons would be helpful. :-) > The main reason was lack of consensus, and the reasons for the lack of is were usually along the lines of 'we dont know if it is safe', 'we dont know if it is fast', 'we dont know if it works', 'it breaks my ps -ax when I dont see all the processes', 'it breaks POLA when users suddenly see random PIDs', so on and so forth. And years have been passing with world moving on with improvements and us stalling behind. > > > and, as you can se, we even struggle to present and make them available > > via installer. > > The question was not about whether to make them available, it was about > turning them all on by default. > It is only 'turning them all on by default' if you are using bsdinstall and you don't disable them, if you don't want them. They are not ON in any other scenario. Yet, but we will get there :) Kind regards, Bartek Rutkowski
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