From owner-cvs-all Sat May 4 19: 6:37 2002 Delivered-To: cvs-all@freebsd.org Received: from rover.village.org (rover.bsdimp.com [204.144.255.66]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4660C37B419; Sat, 4 May 2002 19:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from harmony.village.org (harmony.village.org [10.0.0.6]) by rover.village.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id g4526U617858; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:06:30 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Received: from localhost (warner@rover2.village.org [10.0.0.1]) by harmony.village.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4526Tr20859; Sat, 4 May 2002 20:06:29 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from imp@village.org) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 20:06:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <20020504.200625.27194416.imp@village.org> To: grog@FreeBSD.org Cc: cvs-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/share/man/man4 wi.4 From: "M. Warner Losh" In-Reply-To: <20020505093336.E34811@wantadilla.lemis.com> References: <20020504113032.D12386@wantadilla.lemis.com> <20020503.224516.115910512.imp@village.org> <20020505093336.E34811@wantadilla.lemis.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 2.1 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-cvs-all@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In message: <20020505093336.E34811@wantadilla.lemis.com> "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" writes: : On Friday, 3 May 2002 at 22:45:16 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: : > In message: <20020504113032.D12386@wantadilla.lemis.com> : > "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" writes: : >> On Friday, 3 May 2002 at 11:11:18 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: : >>> imp 2002/05/03 11:11:18 PDT : >>> : >>> Modified files: : >>> share/man/man4 wi.4 : >>> Log: : >>> Minor tweaks: : >>> o go ahead and document ibss-master and ibss modes, since there are : >>> patches in the pipeline to support them. : >> : >> OK, now I'm thoroughly confused. What's the difference between IBSS : >> and IBSS master? My understanding was that the term "master" applied : >> to the station providing the BSSID in IBSS mode, and that it didn't do : >> anything else. Is this just a way to tell the driver whether to form : >> an IBSS or not? If so, I'd suggest that you find some other term to : >> describe that station, since "master" suggests some other : >> functionality. : > : > No, that't it. ibss-master provides the network name so that all the : > other cards can talk to each other. OpenBSD already uses this term, : > and there's absolutely no sense in being gratutitously incompatible. : : That's true enough, but who do you want to be compatible with? This : term is also gratuitously incompatible with the standard, and it : confuses the hell out of most people, including seasoned BSD hackers. I want to be compatible with the OpenBSD people. I'd rather be compatible with them than not, even if it is a little incompatible with the standard. And it isn't even that incompatible with the standard. The 'master' in an ibss network doesn't have a standard name that I've read. : > It isn't ideal, but changing the name will make it harder to share : > code with OpenBSD. I'm trying to merge the drivers, so that is a : > big deal to me. Since OpenBSD has already done 3.1 with : > "ibss-master" in it, it is too late for them to change, so we're : > stuck with it. : : Well, it's too late for them to change for 3.1, but if something's : wrong, it makes sense to change it. What we should do is discuss it : with the OpenBSD people (and presumably the NetBSD people too). Go for it. I have no time or energy for such metters. Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe cvs-all" in the body of the message