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Date:      Thu, 5 Mar 2015 17:04:02 +0300
From:      Dmitry Sivachenko <demon@FreeBSD.org>
To:        Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org>
Cc:        svn-src-head@freebsd.org, Baptiste Daroussin <bapt@FreeBSD.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Slawa Olhovchenkov <slw@zxy.spb.ru>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r279603 - in head: bin/rcp usr.bin/rlogin usr.bin/rsh
Message-ID:  <48981079-C9B7-411D-87A3-5A8F04924314@FreeBSD.org>
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> On 5 =D0=BC=D0=B0=D1=80=D1=82=D0=B0 2015 =D0=B3., at 15:35, Gleb =
Smirnoff <glebius@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
>=20
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:33:50PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov wrote:
> S> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:30:16PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov =
wrote:
> S> > S> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:21:03PM +0300, Slawa Olhovchenkov =
wrote:
> S> > S> > S> > On Wed, Mar 04, 2015 at 10:01:45PM +0000, Baptiste =
Daroussin wrote:
> S> > S> > S> > B> Author: bapt
> S> > S> > S> > B> Date: Wed Mar  4 22:01:44 2015
> S> > S> > S> > B> New Revision: 279603
> S> > S> > S> > B> URL: =
https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/279603
> S> > S> > S> > B>=20
> S> > S> > S> > B> Log:
> S> > S> > S> > B>   r* commands are not precious anymore
> S> > S> > S> > B>
> S> > S> > S> > B> Modified:
> S> > S> > S> > B>   head/bin/rcp/Makefile
> S> > S> > S> > B>   head/usr.bin/rlogin/Makefile
> S> > S> > S> >=20
> S> > S> > S> > I guess when they are going to be not precious enough =
to be removed? :)
> S> > S> > S> >=20
> S> > S> > S> > In modern world of ssh and https, does any OS require =
them in base?
> S> > S> > S>=20
> S> > S> > S> yes.
> S> > S> > S> Some telecom equipment require rlogin.
> S> > S> >=20
> S> > S> > Other telecom equipment require a JRE and special .jar to
> S> > S> > configure them. Does that mean operating systems must ship
> S> > S> > them?
> S> > S>=20
> S> > S> Yes, if ships before (don't break if working).
> S> > S> Some Linux distro remove telnet from default install.
> S> > S> Do you like to remove telnet also?
> S> >=20
> S> > Yes.
> S>=20
> S> And how to test open/listing ports/sockets?!
>=20
> nc(1), which is a pure socket testing tool. For telnet(1) this
> capability is a side effect.
>=20
> S> How to connect to mpd control socket?!
>=20
> pkg install mpd5 telnet
>=20

OMG, please do not make nightmare one have on Linux or Solaris.  =
Everything can be installed form packages but it is so inconvenient!

It is so nice to have most useful stuff out of the box.  Does it hurt =
you?  Having all these things in base is so cool, please do not make =
Lego constructor everyone must use.
Disks are so large and cheap these days.





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