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Date:      Sun, 20 Jul 2014 12:18:54 +0100
From:      krad <kraduk@gmail.com>
To:        Stephen Hurd <shurd@sasktel.net>
Cc:        FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>, =?UTF-8?B?R2Vycml0IEvDvGhu?= <gerrit.kuehn@aei.mpg.de>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Gleb Smirnoff <glebius@freebsd.org>, Matt Bettinger <iamatt@gmail.com>
Subject:   Re: Future of pf / firewall in FreeBSD ? - does it have one ?
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all of that is true, but you are missing the point. Having two versions of
pf on the bsd's at the user level, is a bad thing. It confuses people,
which puts them off. Its a classic case of divide an conquer for other
platforms. I really like the idea of the openpf version, that has been
mentioned in this thread. It would be awesome if it ended up as a supported
linux thing as well, so the world could be rid of iptables. However i guess
thats just an unrealistic dream


On 19 July 2014 09:32, Stephen Hurd <shurd@sasktel.net> wrote:

> krad wrote:
> > that is true and I have not problem using man pages, however thats not
> the
> > way most of the world work and search engines arent exactly new either.
> We
> > should be trying to engage more people not less, and part of that is
> > reaching out.
>
> One of FreeBSD's historic strengths has been the handbook and generally
> good quality documentation.  There is no way that the FreeBSD project
> can ensure that all Google results for everyone in the world are FreeBSD
> related "good" documentation, but it can ensure that the documentation
> included with FreeBSD is accurate and usable, and it can ensure that the
> FreeBSD documentation is available via the internet.
>
> Aside from blindly following whatever generates the most Google results
> (an obviously broken solution), what exactly can the FreeBSD project do
> to ensure that when someone "Googles" a problem they will end up with a
> correct FreeBSD solution?
>



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